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#45281 James S Cassidy

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 04:47 AM

 

That is our only weapon and choice in the matter.

"I have no expectation from you anymore"



Sakura Haruno has to be the most tragic character in anime history.

Imagine if your whole life gets ruined because God or some outside force forced a different plan for you just to suit some one else.

Sometimes I feel like people truly don't understand....they are only characters and yet...I feel more sad for them than anything else. We make our own decisions and our own choices....these characters don't. Someone always changes them.

Just imagine if your life was just a book someone else is writing and despite finding happiness in your own way.....someone else says "Naw, you can't have that because you're supposed to do this...so let's change you up...."

Neji may have died for Hinata....but Sakura is being tortured for her.


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Posted 17 September 2017 - 08:00 AM

 
If you mean tragic as in the character, definitely not. She more or less gets her happy ending that was being developed, though there is real angst in the journey.
 
If you mean in a writing perspective, this didn't really happen. No outside force just took away her happiness, she more or less got the reunited team 7 she wanted at the end. 

To go from someone who surpassed a Sannin into a housewife who faints at a destroyed house, marries a guy who tried to kill her twice and apparently has to make puppy eyes in order to try and get a reaction from her husband? If that ain't tragic, then what is?

Conspiracy theories, selling out, and other arguments related to the author may or may not be proven, but here's what can be proven:

1-Parallels and comments throughout the whole manga pointed out to NS being a more likely pairing than NH. You can count the interactions between NS and compare them to NH interactions, and whether you want to disregard all NH interactions as "probable signs for the ending", NS interactions will still surpass them by a Longshot. Heck, even Naruto's father acknowledged that Sakura reminded him of Kushina (whereas Minato didn't say anything about Hinata during the Pain Arc), and guess what Kushina said to Naruto before dying...

2-We fans here in the NS community excepted what I call "character completion". This is not just that the characters achieve their goals, but it involves more than that. It involves characters and the manga proving completely that many systems and themes presented in the manga were successfully dealt with. (For example: 1-"When you protect someone, that's when you become truly strong." Why would this argument, persistent throughout the whole manga and presented very nicely in the first Arc and in the Asuma arc would be disregarded towards the end? 2-How are you going to present your main character as a person who apparently confused love for a person with love for food [The Last:Naruto the movie], when in the manga it was stated that he actually loved Sakura [Haku's statement during Zabuza Arc: "When you protect someone {special}, that's when you become truly strong". Gaara's Arc: The very statement is presented again in the Naruto vs Gaara's fight and shortly after Sasuke mentions to Sakura how Naruto displayed an incredible amount of power for her, thus reiterating the point of protecting someone you love and being strong?). We expected even Hinata to be presented as a successfully leader in the Hyugga clan and we wanted to see evidence of Neji's will affecting the whole clan. Where is a detailed explanation of this in the ending or after the ending?

3- If the ending and the new generation was apparently the satisfactory ending, then it wouldn't be disappointing for many fans here in the forum and around the world. Heck, I'd bet they would even accept NH if it had a considerable amount of interactions "Throughout the whole manga", instead of having to rely on a movie which contradicts facts presented in the manga (as I stated above already) and again, with character completion. But once again, where is the evidence in both the ending or the new manga that any of this was achieved (Yes, Naruto became Hokage, but for example: where is the pursuit of peace, as he stated that he would do during his conversation with Pain?)?

4- Finally, the fact that you are basically putting a toll on people because "their opinions are not based on absolute factual evidence" is more or less making you go against the purpose of this forum. Keep in mind that many people here are not making arguments here based on our speculation. Many of them have followed the manga from day 1, have read the information on the different data-books and some of them even have just as much knowledge as you say you do in the writing industry. So when you disregard their arguments without showing evidence of your own (based on the manga), your own arguments will be put into question and the reception people have here towards you will not be positive, because after all, this is an NS forum where people want to talk about NS without having to go through stress and quite frankly, you're not helping the cause.

Edited by Shadow Wolf, 17 September 2017 - 08:04 AM.


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Posted 17 September 2017 - 08:46 AM

 

If you mean tragic as in the character, definitely not. She more or less gets her happy ending that was being developed, though there is real angst in the journey.

 

If you mean in a writing perspective, this didn't really happen. No outside force just took away her happiness, she more or less got the reunited team 7 she wanted at the end. 

You don't understand at all and sadly, you never will because you are not a NaruSaku fan like the rest of us. I don't need to explain it any further than I have to. Everyone else here understands.

If you can't even get it yourself...then that's all the proof I need to know 1000% that you are no NaruSaku fan.

I don't know what you are. Pro-ender? Kishimoto apologist? Maybe both.


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Posted 17 September 2017 - 11:19 AM

To go from someone who surpassed a Sannin into a housewife who faints at a destroyed house, marries a guy who tried to kill her twice and apparently has to make puppy eyes in order to try and get a reaction from her husband? If that ain't tragic, then what is?

Conspiracy theories, selling out, and other arguments related to the author may or may not be proven, but here's what can be proven:

1-Parallels and comments throughout the whole manga pointed out to NS being a more likely pairing than NH. You can count the interactions between NS and compare them to NH interactions, and whether you want to disregard all NH interactions as "probable signs for the ending", NS interactions will still surpass them by a Longshot. Heck, even Naruto's father acknowledged that Sakura reminded him of Kushina (whereas Minato didn't say anything about Hinata during the Pain Arc), and guess what Kushina said to Naruto before dying...

2-We fans here in the NS community excepted what I call "character completion". This is not just that the characters achieve their goals, but it involves more than that. It involves characters and the manga proving completely that many systems and themes presented in the manga were successfully dealt with. (For example: 1-"When you protect someone, that's when you become truly strong." Why would this argument, persistent throughout the whole manga and presented very nicely in the first Arc and in the Asuma arc would be disregarded towards the end? 2-How are you going to present your main character as a person who apparently confused love for a person with love for food [The Last:Naruto the movie], when in the manga it was stated that he actually loved Sakura [Haku's statement during Zabuza Arc: "When you protect someone {special}, that's when you become truly strong". Gaara's Arc: The very statement is presented again in the Naruto vs Gaara's fight and shortly after Sasuke mentions to Sakura how Naruto displayed an incredible amount of power for her, thus reiterating the point of protecting someone you love and being strong?). We expected even Hinata to be presented as a successfully leader in the Hyugga clan and we wanted to see evidence of Neji's will affecting the whole clan. Where is a detailed explanation of this in the ending or after the ending?

3- If the ending and the new generation was apparently the satisfactory ending, then it wouldn't be disappointing for many fans here in the forum and around the world. Heck, I'd bet they would even accept NH if it had a considerable amount of interactions "Throughout the whole manga", instead of having to rely on a movie which contradicts facts presented in the manga (as I stated above already) and again, with character completion. But once again, where is the evidence in both the ending or the new manga that any of this was achieved (Yes, Naruto became Hokage, but for example: where is the pursuit of peace, as he stated that he would do during his conversation with Pain?)?

4- Finally, the fact that you are basically putting a toll on people because "their opinions are not based on absolute factual evidence" is more or less making you go against the purpose of this forum. Keep in mind that many people here are not making arguments here based on our speculation. Many of them have followed the manga from day 1, have read the information on the different data-books and some of them even have just as much knowledge as you say you do in the writing industry. So when you disregard their arguments without showing evidence of your own (based on the manga), your own arguments will be put into question and the reception people have here towards you will not be positive, because after all, this is an NS forum where people want to talk about NS without having to go through stress and quite frankly, you're not helping the cause.

Agreed.The only thing I have agreed with analyzer is that there are worst fans on both sides.

Edited by Gurmeet, 17 September 2017 - 11:24 AM.


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Posted 17 September 2017 - 11:39 AM

Truth is Kishimoto doesn't give a kitten of Sakura's character. He proved it the moment he threw away her development out of the window. 15 years of development for nothing. 

 

-She never surpass Tsunade becoming the strongest and best medic in the ninja nations.

 

-She never moved on from Sasuke (Kishimoto said Sakura will be a terrible person if she moves on from him). So apparently she's not allowed to find happiness with someone else. She's not allowed to have her feelings change to someone he truly loves her. Take a look at this to all women everywhere you can't move on from your abusive boyfriend/husband because it will make you a terrible person. You can't change your feelings and move on to someone who loves very much. Great message your showing to the female population Kishimoto, good job. 

 

-Her  heroine status taken as it was given to a character who was completely irrelevant to the plot of the story. And eventually she needed a movie to prove that she's really relevant to the story and in doing so so many retcons and contradictions have to be made to make it happen. :zaru:

 

-What was the point of giving her character development if you're going to send her back to square one? 

 

-Sasuke will never love her that's a fact, everyone can see that. Heck even Sarada sees it. 

 

-Sakura should have gotten together with Naruto because she was able to see that he truly loves her, That he appreciates her like no man would. He acknowledged her a long time ago, while Sasuke would never do such, that he was always there for her when she needed a friend to talk to. Naruto respects her and loves her for who she is, Sasuke don't and never will. 

 

So yes I agree with James about Sakura being a very tragic character in anime. Her true happy ending crushed and she was given one that doesn't suit her. I do feel sorry for her. This show how much Kishimoto care for her character at all. It's like he spit on her and said" kitten her" I'm going with Hinata because the fans love her and they hate Sakura. So tell me KIshi how does it feel to take a dump on your 15 year old work? 


Edited by Gravenimage, 17 September 2017 - 11:40 AM.

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 11:44 AM

Truth is Kishimoto doesn't give a kitten of Sakura's character. He proved it the moment he threw away her development out of the window. 15 years of development for nothing. 
 
-She never surpass Tsunade becoming the strongest and best medic in the ninja nations.
 
-She never moved on from Sasuke (Kishimoto said Sakura will be a terrible person if she moves on from him). So apparently she's not allowed to find happiness with someone else. She's not allowed to have her feelings change to someone he truly loves her. Take a look at this to all women everywhere you can't move on from your abusive boyfriend/husband because it will make you a terrible person. You can't change your feelings and move on to someone who loves very much. Great message your showing to the female population Kishimoto, good job. 
 
-Her  heroine status taken as it was given to a character who was completely irrelevant to the plot of the story. And eventually she needed a movie to prove that she's really relevant to the story and in doing so so many retcons and contradictions have to be made to make it happen. :zaru:
 
-What was the point of giving her character development if you're going to send her back to square one? 
 
-Sasuke will never love her that's a fact, everyone can see that. Heck even Sarada sees it. 
 
-Sakura should have gotten together with Naruto because she was able to see that he truly loves her, That he appreciates her like no man would. He acknowledged her a long time ago, while Sasuke would never do such, that he was always there for her when she needed a friend to talk to. Naruto respects her and loves her for who she is, Sasuke don't and never will. 
 
So yes I agree with James about Sakura being a very tragic character in anime. Her true happy ending crushed and she was given one that doesn't suit her. I do feel sorry for her. This show how much Kishimoto care for her character at all. It's like he spit on her and said" kitten her" I'm going with Hinata because the fans love her and they hate Sakura. So tell me KIshi how does it feel to take a dump on your 15 year old work? 

irony for a guy whose main message from naruto is to never give up.In the end he gave up to those ideals.

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 01:07 PM

irony for a guy whose main message from naruto is to never give up.In the end he gave up to those ideals.

 

This^ irony indeed. Never give up but have Naruto give up on Sakura to go for the girl he barely knows and will never love. 


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Posted 17 September 2017 - 01:56 PM

 
This^ irony indeed. Never give up but have Naruto give up on Sakura to go for the girl he barely knows and will never love. 

I was talking about kishimoto that he gave up on the ending he wanted to create not the SP's.Naruto have to move on from sakura if she never loved him but whole manga showed another thing until that tragic ending.

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 05:56 PM

 

This^ irony indeed. Never give up but have Naruto give up on Sakura to go for the girl he barely knows and will never love. 

Not only is that ironic, it's the height of hypocrisy.  So, Naruto won't give up on saving Sasuke or being Hokage, but it's fine for him to give up on the woman he loves without a fight and accept a consolation prize in the form of a girl that he barely even knew.   Yeah, give up on love and just accept the next best thing that comes along.  That's a wonderful message to leave for your young readers, Kishimoto-bastard. :down:


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Posted 17 September 2017 - 06:14 PM

^^^^^^^why the kitten is this moron still here???

 

To be fair, Naruto never gave up on Sakura, as it was never shown to be a serious pursuit that mattered within the plot. It faded. He fell into the love he already had, so the rest of this doesn't quite add up either. 

 like seriously, do us all a favor and never post again. Your stupidity has yet to be rivaled.  If you read the Manga, you would know that she was one of Naruto's dreams. To be with her, he stated so on his trip with Jaraiya before the time skip. He pursued all until he thought that she was "in love" with Sasuke. He even reinforced this when he told Sai that he can't tell her how he feels until he saves Sasuke. That seems pretty serious to me, then again, you're a idiot and a moron, all wrapped into a nincompoop package, GET BANNED.


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Posted 17 September 2017 - 06:27 PM

FutureHalfofFamer. Stop that. Continuing to be rude and inconsiderate will result you being banned from the site.

 

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 06:40 PM

I was talking about kishimoto that he gave up on the ending he wanted to create not the SP's.Naruto have to move on from sakura if she never loved him but whole manga showed another thing until that tragic ending.

 

That can also be apply, so yes. :yes:

 

 

Not only is that ironic, it's the height of hypocrisy.  So, Naruto won't give up on saving Sasuke or being Hokage, but it's fine for him to give up on the woman he loves without a fight and accept a consolation prize in the form of a girl that he barely even knew.   Yeah, give up on love and just accept the next best thing that comes along.  That's a wonderful message to leave for your young readers, Kishimoto-bastard. :down:

 

Also agreed with this. :yes:

 

 

^^^^^^^why the kitten is this moron still here???

 like seriously, do us all a favor and never post again. Your stupidity has yet to be rivaled.  If you read the Manga, you would know that she was one of Naruto's dreams. To be with her, he stated so on his trip with Jaraiya before the time skip. He pursued all until he thought that she was "in love" with Sasuke. He even reinforced this when he told Sai that he can't tell her how he feels until he saves Sasuke. That seems pretty serious to me, then again, you're a idiot and a moron, all wrapped into a nincompoop package, GET BANNED.

 

Read the rules of the forum please. NO bashing of any kind especially to members of the forum. Analyzer is a member and it doesn't matter if you don't like her or don't agree with her opinions, you do not bash her or disrespect her. I understand how you feel and you're not the only one who doesn't like her arguments and ideals but we do not resolve to name calling or any kind of insults. You can always block her adding her to your ignore user list saving you the trouble of insulting her. If you keep this up you will get banned. You already got an official warning from Derock. So please don't do it again. 


Edited by Gravenimage, 17 September 2017 - 06:44 PM.

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 07:16 PM

I just read the comment section of a NaruSaku related video and now I'm super, super depressed. Can someone just rip out my eyes please? 

*RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP!*

Better? XD

 

To go from someone who surpassed a Sannin into a housewife who faints at a destroyed house, marries a guy who tried to kill her twice and apparently has to make puppy eyes in order to try and get a reaction from her husband? If that ain't tragic, then what is?

Conspiracy theories, selling out, and other arguments related to the author may or may not be proven, but here's what can be proven:

1-Parallels and comments throughout the whole manga pointed out to NS being a more likely pairing than NH. You can count the interactions between NS and compare them to NH interactions, and whether you want to disregard all NH interactions as "probable signs for the ending", NS interactions will still surpass them by a Longshot. Heck, even Naruto's father acknowledged that Sakura reminded him of Kushina (whereas Minato didn't say anything about Hinata during the Pain Arc), and guess what Kushina said to Naruto before dying...

2-We fans here in the NS community excepted what I call "character completion". This is not just that the characters achieve their goals, but it involves more than that. It involves characters and the manga proving completely that many systems and themes presented in the manga were successfully dealt with. (For example: 1-"When you protect someone, that's when you become truly strong." Why would this argument, persistent throughout the whole manga and presented very nicely in the first Arc and in the Asuma arc would be disregarded towards the end? 2-How are you going to present your main character as a person who apparently confused love for a person with love for food [The Last:Naruto the movie], when in the manga it was stated that he actually loved Sakura [Haku's statement during Zabuza Arc: "When you protect someone {special}, that's when you become truly strong". Gaara's Arc: The very statement is presented again in the Naruto vs Gaara's fight and shortly after Sasuke mentions to Sakura how Naruto displayed an incredible amount of power for her, thus reiterating the point of protecting someone you love and being strong?). We expected even Hinata to be presented as a successfully leader in the Hyugga clan and we wanted to see evidence of Neji's will affecting the whole clan. Where is a detailed explanation of this in the ending or after the ending?

3- If the ending and the new generation was apparently the satisfactory ending, then it wouldn't be disappointing for many fans here in the forum and around the world. Heck, I'd bet they would even accept NH if it had a considerable amount of interactions "Throughout the whole manga", instead of having to rely on a movie which contradicts facts presented in the manga (as I stated above already) and again, with character completion. But once again, where is the evidence in both the ending or the new manga that any of this was achieved (Yes, Naruto became Hokage, but for example: where is the pursuit of peace, as he stated that he would do during his conversation with Pain?)?

4- Finally, the fact that you are basically putting a toll on people because "their opinions are not based on absolute factual evidence" is more or less making you go against the purpose of this forum. Keep in mind that many people here are not making arguments here based on our speculation. Many of them have followed the manga from day 1, have read the information on the different data-books and some of them even have just as much knowledge as you say you do in the writing industry. So when you disregard their arguments without showing evidence of your own (based on the manga), your own arguments will be put into question and the reception people have here towards you will not be positive, because after all, this is an NS forum where people want to talk about NS without having to go through stress and quite frankly, you're not helping the cause.

And even though it wouldn't have changed anything for us regarding the ending, Boruto still could at least show something, you know? For example, there was a perfect opportunity to show if the Hyuga Clan was changed when they visited Hiashi and Hanabi. They could have met several Branch Family members, but mistaken them for Main Family members because they were walking around with their foreheads uncovered due to not having the Caged Bird Seal, only to learn at the end from Hiashi or Hanabi that it had been abolished (most likely due to Naruto rather than Hinata though), which would also explain why Hinata doesn't have it after marrying OUT of the clan to Naruto.

 

Not only is that ironic, it's the height of hypocrisy.  So, Naruto won't give up on saving Sasuke or being Hokage, but it's fine for him to give up on the woman he loves without a fight and accept a consolation prize in the form of a girl that he barely even knew.   Yeah, give up on love and just accept the next best thing that comes along.  That's a wonderful message to leave for your young readers, Kishimoto-bastard. :down:

Ino moved on from Sasuke to Sai. Doesn't that make her a "terrible woman"?

Or wouldn't Naruto "moving on" from Sakura to Hinata make him a "terrible man"?

Or, regarding Sakura saying Naruto only loved her because of his rivalry with Sasuke, wouldn't Naruto suddenly "loving" Hinata be only because of a new rivalry with Toneri?


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Posted 17 September 2017 - 07:34 PM

*RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP!*

Better? XD

 

And even though it wouldn't have changed anything for us regarding the ending, Boruto still could at least show something, you know? For example, there was a perfect opportunity to show if the Hyuga Clan was changed when they visited Hiashi and Hanabi. They could have met several Branch Family members, but mistaken them for Main Family members because they were walking around with their foreheads uncovered due to not having the Caged Bird Seal, only to learn at the end from Hiashi or Hanabi that it had been abolished (most likely due to Naruto rather than Hinata though), which would also explain why Hinata doesn't have it after marrying OUT of the clan to Naruto.

 

Ino moved on from Sasuke to Sai. Doesn't that make her a "terrible woman"?

Or wouldn't Naruto "moving on" from Sakura to Hinata make him a "terrible man"?

Or, regarding Sakura saying Naruto only loved her because of his rivalry with Sasuke, wouldn't Naruto suddenly "loving" Hinata be only because of a new rivalry with Toneri?

Exactly. Applying this kitten logic to Sakura, but excluding Naruto and Ino because...? SP and Kishimoto aren't fooling anyone.


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Posted 17 September 2017 - 07:54 PM

Exactly. Applying this kitten logic to Sakura, but excluding Naruto and Ino because...? SP and Kishimoto aren't fooling anyone.

Cause they come up with the BS that Sakura was madly in love with Sassuke, now I have talked to a lot of my female friends and you know what they all say the same thing.

 

That its a bull kitten reason as they all said almost the same thing.

 

"I wouldn't like a guy who was a kitten to me like that before he went traitor."

 

"I would have the brains to move onto a guy that would treat me right and now have called me names."

 

"While Sasuke may look good he is still a kitten."

 

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 10:26 PM

As an aside, nothing wrong with being a housewife, though she is also a Medic in the end.
 
1: The Parallels and comments pointed out in this don't really point to NS. The Girlfriend comment in Minato is played out as a joke, and Naruto later comments that he can't tease Sakura anymore as he sees her growing strength. I'm not sure why Kushina's comment is given so much emphasis either, when later Naruto talks to Minato and says he hasn't really found someone like that yet. 
 
2: To be honest, these things don't really work with NS either.
2a: How is this disregarded? (As an aside, this quote is actually more often attributed towards NH).
2b: Nowhere in the manga does Naruto say he loves Sakura.
2c: This one more plays into Sasuke's antagonism versus Naruto, his own power desires that pull him away, and SS over anything else really. Particularly that moments before that Naruto leaves them alone. 
2d: Hinata never wanted to lead the clan. This was never her goal. I'm not sure why she is romanticized by some NH fans on this goal or complained by other fans on not being this leader.
 
3: I would argue that NH has the most development, despite not being a fan. Interactions != Development, and if we are being honest, NS development very clearly is set to be platonic and remain that way within the manga. Peace is being pursued in the end, and frankly, the Last does not contradict in the manga. 
 
4: I utilize source because I am trying to show that what is being spouted has no factual basis, yet is often being thrown around as such. I get this is a NS Sanctuary to some, and criticism against the narrative that NS was meant to be is not always desired, but I tend to cut in when I see these statements.


Intro-See, that's the thing. You're happy with her being "a" medic, when we actually see that she could be "The" medic. There's a reason why Tsunade was regarded as the best in the medical business (even going so far as to cure Rock Lee from his fractures), and even though Sakura both received praise from Sasori and helped in the war, there are only a few arguments here and there about her medical skills. She could have easily be more than that. You could build a whole new arc based on her ability to have acquired recognition in the whole narutoverse as "The" #1 medical Ninja. But nope... Just another medic in the business. And BTW, yes, I know she founded a hospital, but really, that pales in comparison to everything else she could have done with her skills.

1-Hah, I won't even debate on this point: Jyra/Tsu, Obi/Rin, Yahi/Konan, Mina/Kushina... All of them pointed to a chemistry between a loud person and a Tsundere and if you can't see that, then there is no point in discussing this.

2-Character completion is not as much about the end pairings, but about the characters themselves, and you didn't answer my question of Naruto pursuing what could be considered "peace", so you missed the point entirely. Plus you can easily track the loss of the argument I made earlier during the final Ninja War, in where Naruto was just trying to do everything on his own and save Sasuke instead of basically protecting the future of the world, even though it may be at the expense of even killing his best friend (all of these arguments presented evidently during the Gaara's arc, in where he protected the city of Sand, during Asuma's arc, in where he taught Shikamaru to protect the unborn children from Konoha and the world, and in the Pain Arc in where Tsunade protected everyone from Pain's attack).

2A/2C-The manga stated clearly that this was aimed towards NS, not only because Naruto thought of Sakura when asked this question (Zabuza arc), but also because he also thought of Sakura when fighting against Gaara. Plus in the scene where Sasuke reminds this to Sakura was during a Sakura flashback (her recalling what Sasuke said in chapter 144, before it moved on to the struggle of Sasuke for power), so your argument just fell flat, because it never applied to NH in the first place.

2B-Nor does it say in the manga that he loves Hinata either. And even though Sakura admits that Hinata loves Naruto (Pain Arc), both her and Said admit that Naruto loves Sakura (Kage Summit arc). Plus he also says that he doesn't feel worthy to confess to her because he can't keep his promises. And if he wasn't going to confess that he loves her, then what was he going to confess about anyway?

2D-Because just like Naruto, she wanted acknowledgement, not just from Naruto, but also from his family. And the best way to display that is to lead her clan, because when you lead, it means that the people you lead recognized you as a leader and a person of trust (recall Gaara's Arc and how he was recognized and how Naruto also wanted to be recognized).

3-Platonic, really? OK. Let's disregard that Sakura was wondering what she was feeling for Naruto ever since the Zabuza arc. Let's disregard her endearing smile shown in various scenes of the manga whenever Naruto stood up for her. Let's disregard what Yamato, Kakashi and Sai said about Naruto and Sakura's relationship. Let's disregard that in the worst of times they were there encouraging and strengthening each other. Basically, let's disregard any of the interactions between Naruto and Sakura and brand them all as Platonic Love because there was absolutely no indication of them showing feelings for each other even though many characters saw it during the course of the manga. Yup, let's disregard it all. oh, and btw:

Chapter 183: *After Naruto makes the promise of a lifetime*

*Sakura thinking* "He always knew... He always helped me"

A synonym of help is "unselfish"

Love for food: selfish

The Last Movie: Naruto thinks of love just like love for Ramen...

4-And... Which manga panels or conversations from the manga have you used during our conversation? I have quoted several chapters, quotes and arcs backing up my claims. What have you showed me using the manga? Just one statement where, although Naruto never says: I love Sakura, I already showed you with the manga that your comment falls short due to lack of evidence regarding Naruto not loving Sakura. So before you judge me, provide evidence yourself that all the arguments you use are backed by evidence from the manga.

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Posted 18 September 2017 - 03:59 AM

 
Intro: If Sakura surpassed Tsunade, which she did, there is no reason not to conclude that she is not the best medical ninja, since Tsunade is the best medical ninja. This is shown further in the anime, where those who are drained by Nue's chakra, Sakura is the medic chiefly working on it, while others surround her. (Note this is source, for when we get to point 4), To re-state, she is not just a medic, she is the best, and we have really no reason to believe otherwise.'s s
 
1: Let me go through each of these. So we know Naruto is loud and boisterious, very yang. Not naturally talented in any traditional way, but he proves to be a sort of genius in his own right over time. Sasuke is yin, prodify, aloof, dark past. Sakura is also yang and boisterous, crushes on Sasuke, Naruto crushes on Sakura. On Team Minato we have Obito, who like Naruto is boisterous, yang, not naturally talented at first but becomes a genius in his own right over time. Kakashi is the yin prodify with a dark past. You have Rin, who parallels with Sakura in being a medic, and has crush on aloof prodigy. Unlike Sakura's start though, she is introduced to showing concern and care to Obito, who has a crush on her. She's also not a Tsundere. On Team Hiruzen, we have Jirayai, boisterous yang, not naturally talented at first like Naruto/Obito, Tsunade being the medic sort, crushes on Orochimaru, who is the aloof prodigy, and Jirayai crushes on her. With the Ame Orphans, they all have dark pasts. Nagato isn't yang though, he's yin. Yahiko is more like Naruto, but Konan is not Yang, she is yin, and not a medic (Also not a Tsundere). Further, Nagato does not crush on anyone or is crushed on, and Yahiko and Konan is directly addressed. I.E., this one does not parallel Naruto/Sakura/Sasuke in the sort of romance way. 
 
They all also have different romantic resolutions: Rin dies while loving Kakashi, Obito goes crazy from her death. Tsunade's crush faded and she came to love Dan, while Jirayai still holds a flame for her. Again, Konan/Yahiko is directly addressed, doesn't really triangle like any of the others, though Yahiko dies and Konan and Nagato are closer, though nothing romantic is ever implied. And in Team Kakashi, Naruto's crush fades and he moves onto Hinata, and Sasuke showing affection for Sakura and accepting her feelings. These are all shown in the manga, and show really that all the trio parallels in this aspect are weak, and don't really provide evidence for a why a pairing should happen. I've heard of break the cycle argument, but as you see, each of these end up differently, and often the girl in the team is not always Tsundere, really, solely in the Tsunade case. Mina/Kushi is different, in that Naruto parallels Kushina more so than Sakura does, thus you actually get a stronger working NH parallel to MK than you do an NS one, which I should have laid out already. 
 
2: Naruto was cautioned from doing all of this on his own by Itachi, at the end of the Itachi/Nagato scene (Second source, in regards to four), and in the final battle, it is an ultimate cooperation between all of the people. Really, 700's answer to the pursuit of peace as you lay out is cooperation and unity. 
 
2a/2c: Sakura is actually not paneled in during this question, nor is she when asked if Naruto has someone precious to protect, in chapter 21, page 11. (Also point for number four). The most immediate person introduced that fits the qualifications of someone who acknowledges him right off the bat, is Hinata. Thus there is a stronger case for it fitting her. As for the Gaara parts, yes, he was trying to protect Sakura
 
2b: First part is true. The second part is really all dealt in the False Confession (Source for four again), in that Sakura and especially Sai do not really understand Naruto, and it is established that the promise is not driven by feelings to Sakura at all. This is where NS is really shown to sink. 
 
2d: It isn't established that Hinata sought acknowledgement from her family (To please her father yes), but also this is never done in a way that suggested she wanted to lead. We cannot make the leap that this means leadership desire because it is frankly not there. There are many ways to gain acknowledgement, becoming a leader is but one of them. I'm not sure where you are getting with your chapter 183 and love for food parallel, however. 
 
3: I don't think Sakura was ever shown "wondering" in the manga, (Sure in the databooks, as a sort of teasing). The thing is, wondering or not, it is ultimately platonic. Sai, Yamato, who are recent joinees and barely know the two, are not good sources of this information. Even ignoring that, We still have the False Confession to tend with where this is all addressed, where pretty much all the arguments on why Sakura should be with Naruto are lain out even, but Sakura's heart has not moved on from Sasuke, and it is further reiterated until the end, in the tent when she gets a letter, when Kakashi speaks of it, in 693, 699. (Source for number 4). I totally agree that they were close friends and will state this is one of Naruto's more important relationships in the manga.
 
4: I have done the same, really. Naruto never says he loves Sakura, but it is also never shown that he does either. You have to tackle 469 which handles all of it, and then all of the later material which just shows that Sakura still loves Sasuke, and Kishi's display of the cards he did in 615. 
 
 
 
 
They could have done this as a side thing, although the Hyuuga changing was done in the manga, and I understand that detail has little to do with the plot at hand. But it would have been nice. On these others though: 
 
1: No, it does not make Ino a terrible woman. She did not love Sasuke, it was a crush akeen to Naruto's of Sakura's that faded. 
 
2: Same as 1. There is no problem of calling into question the first sincere love of shallow because you are now turning to this hero of the world. 
 
3: It wouldn't, because Naruto was already in love with her and he did not know Toneri sought Hinata until after Hinata chose Toneri. 

meaning you want to say that NH should have happened instead of NS.I don't have time to write the reasons for why NS should have happened when they are already stated.

Edited by Gurmeet, 18 September 2017 - 07:41 AM.


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Posted 18 September 2017 - 11:06 AM

meaning you want to say that NH should have happened instead of NS.I don't have time to write the reasons for why NS should have happened when they are already stated.

 

So many members have argued with Analyzer and either they have given up or they just don't care anymore. But most of them have already blocked her adding her to their ignore user list (like me). It's not worth it man, just ignore her. 


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Posted 18 September 2017 - 04:45 PM

You know it's kinda sad when Pokemon handled the argument between Ash and Serena then Kishi did between Naruto and Sakura: 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I mean did let's not forget: 

 

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All because Sasuke had to be killed, and he lies there like a little b itch  worrying for his so called "best friend"  Your Hero who defeated Pain everyone. Just got defeated by the simple way of telling him that Sasuke needs to die. 


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THAT'S WHAT HEROES DO, THEY SAVE PEOPLE!!


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Posted 18 September 2017 - 04:57 PM

Has Ash even aged? Good god, I remember when Pokemon was all the rage on Cartoon Network back in like...2002 or 2003. 






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