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[sushi.]

It's either they have no life (hikikomori or close to that) or they like flames. I'm so sorry if my word offended anyone , but why else would they talk with people like that ?

 

So umbdridge finally said it "You aren't a fan anymore because you didn't get the ending you wanted?"

Hahaha this .... this is the line that pro ending fans (nh/ss fan) usually said against the anti ending fans. Now i'm 100% sure umbridge definitely not an NS fan.

I honestly found that sentence very insulting and mocking. Talk about putting someone down. :/ When someone says things like that don't answer because they do it aware it isn't like that, just so the other person can be provoked into a longer "discussion".

Edited by sushi., 08 September 2017 - 05:21 PM.

[sushi.]

I edited that sentence the same time the just after response was made for that very reason actually, and to be more euphonious to match my intention.

Besides, if you say the last two chapters should not have existed, it more or less is saying that is shag killed it for you. Nothing wrong with that, really. Doesn't make anyone better or worse

You used kinder words but the same mentality. "Just because we didn't like the ending", after all the arguing you've had with people here you would understand it's not that simple. People have written long rants and critiques for you but we just didn't like that NH/SS married.

[Dalton.T.R]

*Sigh*

 

I miss the days of coming here every evening and reading what was new with Naruto, and everyone's expectations and debates. Lots of memories of days long past. 

[Riverkid]

 

I've seen them, but they always circle back to their main issue, and often point at things that aren't issues.

 

There -are- some that do touch legitimate issues though. 

its not about "issues", its about quality writing

[Catra]

as far as my headcanon goes, Madara won and everything is I.T.

Edited by Catra, 09 September 2017 - 11:36 PM.

[Catra]

kaguya should never have been invented. pein was the real last villain i gave a damn about. danzo was cool but, you never felt for him. and tobito was trying hard to do what Pein already did plus he was another uchiha villain like we needed more of them? madara was fun to see how powerful one could really become plus the amount of experience he had with fighting in the senjuchiha wars. but that was all he was. the battlefield was his playground. he didn't take much of anything seriously until later which was a tad too late imo. his philosophy was added later sure but still. we still don't know the truth behind his brother whether he stole his eyes or he gave them to him

[Dalton.T.R]

Part of the Naruto fanfiction I'm writing that's a crossover of my Chris Lynheart series. Too cheesy, or is this fairly in character for Naruto? 

 

 

 

 

 

When the group got closer, Alvis ran back to Jessica who wrapped her arms around him and held him against her legs as the Admiral turned to face the former ninja. He studied them for several seconds as they stood before him. “Wow. You people look absolutely terrible in those clothes. You’d think we could find something a bit more…fashionable.”

  

“I’ll say! Are robes all you people wear in this country or what?” Naruto asked in a cocky, but playful tone as he rested his hands behind his head.

 

  Chris smirked a laugh before retorting, “If you prefer, Private First Class, I can make the alternative available.”

 

  Naruto looked at Chris with a hint of curiosity in his eyes, “Alternatives? You mean we don’t to wear these robe things?”

 

   “It’s called a cloak, Private First Class. And yes, there is an alternative: Birthday suits.” Chris said.

 

  Sakura and Kakashi’s cheeks turned pink with embarrassment, and Jessica covered her mouth, trying not to laugh too loud at her boyfriend’s joke.

 

   Naruto stared blankly at his superior, not understanding the joke, “Birthday suits? What are they? Can we at least see them before…”

 

   Sakura covered Naruto’s mouth and gave Chris an innocent but embarrassed look, “We’re happy enough with our current uniforms, sir. There’s no need to change.”

[Riverkid]

Still the same thing: A lot of people I've noticed either point at things that aren't true or misconstrued, or are largely because of shipping reasons, rather than anything about "quality writing", to which they then try to point at other things, but it's not about those things, and those things often end up being the first: Not true, misconstrued, or misinterpreted.  

Thats not true, and you aren't able to judge that conclusion.

95% of the time its only you quoting someone else and trying to dismantle his analysis, argumentation, idea towards the Story of Naruto. If someone tries to bring up an improvement, you point it out as false and that Kishimoto did everything right. Most of the time you dont' even try to change that idea to acutally fit the story in your view, you just go ahead and die-hard defend Kishimotos writing in almost every possible way.

I can understand some of you replies, because some people just want to force-change the story to highlight NaruSaku at the end. Its more about making the prefered couple happen, rather than writing a 'good' story around it.

However thats not the case all the time. If someone else is trying to dismantle you, then you also die-hard defend your standpoint in almost every possible way. That acutally happen too often if someone is criticizing the 'quality' of the debated writing. 

If someone is critizing the build-up, and explain why the qualitiy of the build-up is below average -> its you quoting and replying "Ye, but there is a build up, so from a storywriting standpoint did kishimoto all fine"

If someone is trying to improve some acts/arc with ideas and changes -> its you quoting and replying "Ye, but thats not Kishimoto intention of writing the arc/act in this way, so we better stick to his work and highlight it as fine from a stroywriting standpoint"

If someone is trying to explain why the end was not that good, because of some aspects (like let Sasuke be free), and that said person is trying to change the end to make it more appealing from a quality standpoint -> its you quoting and replying "No, some of your aspects doesn't automatically make the story better.. Kishimoto wanted it this way, so everything is fine from a storywriting standpoint"

99% of the time you support your Argumentions just by some excisiting story-structures, and by the excisting intention of Kishimoto

"There is a build-up, so i dont see a problem" it doesn't matter if the build-up was good or bad from a quality standpoint, it doesn't matter if there is a better way to write that build-up. For you its already enough, and also already highlighted as 'good/perfect' just because it excist. We already do know that Kishimoto sticks to the elementary of story structures, that wouldn't work if he just neglects that. However you can judge the structures/writing from a quality standpoint, however you always try to defend that aspect, trying to point out that having a "build up" in the first place is already good enough. And you will repeat it 3-4 times. 

So no, i don't think you are able to judge something if its heading towards the quality aspect. You may have knowledge of writing and story-structue, but you are far away if it comes to quality value and execution.

Whenever i see a reply of yours, i imagine a scene where you get invited to kishimotos house for dinner. Then he places the food infront of you, and all you can see is the "kitten" he brought you with the table, expecting you to eat it. Instead of saying "im sorry Kishimoto, but that looks like kitten.. i won't eat it" you rather try holding your nose, and swallow every bit of it, to point out at the end "it was good". Because well.... having food in the first place is just "good" enough, right ? for you atleast. Its a weird comparison, but i think it actually fits the way how you are acting here.



 

[T XD]

Part of the Naruto fanfiction I'm writing that's a crossover of my Chris Lynheart series. Too cheesy, or is this fairly in character for Naruto? 

 

 

 

 

 

When the group got closer, Alvis ran back to Jessica who wrapped her arms around him and held him against her legs as the Admiral turned to face the former ninja. He studied them for several seconds as they stood before him. “Wow. You people look absolutely terrible in those clothes. You’d think we could find something a bit more…fashionable.”

  

“I’ll say! Are robes all you people wear in this country or what?” Naruto asked in a cocky, but playful tone as he rested his hands behind his head.

 

  Chris smirked a laugh before retorting, “If you prefer, Private First Class, I can make the alternative available.”

 

  Naruto looked at Chris with a hint of curiosity in his eyes, “Alternatives? You mean we don’t to wear these robe things?”

 

   “It’s called a cloak, Private First Class. And yes, there is an alternative: Birthday suits.” Chris said.

 

  Sakura and Kakashi’s cheeks turned pink with embarrassment, and Jessica covered her mouth, trying not to laugh too loud at her boyfriend’s joke.

 

   Naruto stared blankly at his superior, not understanding the joke, “Birthday suits? What are they? Can we at least see them before…”

 

   Sakura covered Naruto’s mouth and gave Chris an innocent but embarrassed look, “We’re happy enough with our current uniforms, sir. There’s no need to change.”

It fits Naruto's character if he doesn't know what birthday suits mean. Probably he wouldn't know cause one would think there's no ' Birthday Suit ' term in Naruto's world.

[Kagomaru]

as far as my headcanon goes, Madara won and everything is I.T.

It's the only conclusion that makes logically sense.  

[sushi.]

 
Except it makes no logical sense, though I assume you are joking. 

If you assume they're joking why ruin the joke and pick on it?? You really answer a lot of rethorical questions and remarks literally not just here I'mve seen it in several threads, and it's extremely tiring.

Edited by sushi., 10 September 2017 - 03:41 PM.

[Riverkid]

 

None of the arguments are really put forward that way, at all. Let me be frank on each:

 

1: someone is critizing the build-up, and explain why the qualitiy of the build-up is below average -> Ye, but there is a build up, so from a storywriting standpoint did kishimoto all fine"

 

This is actually not true, as Kaguya's build up was criticized, and I agreed, the fix that was needed is more foreshadowing. That said, if we are talking about NH, I would argue it has not only substantial build up, but probably the most development of the canon pairings. The elements that are construed as "not significant build up", are often not true. No one though, would complain about even more moments building it up. I don't think anyone would complain if Kishimoto made things canon earlier. He just was conservative and not the type to tip his hand like that. 

 

If someone is trying to improve some acts/arc with ideas and changes -> its you quoting and replying "Ye, but thats not Kishimoto intention of writing the arc/act in this way, so we better stick to his work and highlight it as fine from a stroywriting standpoint"

 

The problem with this statement is it is a "What if", I criticize these usually if the change they are suggesting takes away notable meat already available. Kaguya Example again: More foreshadowing, all hands on agree with this change. Removal, possibly, though her trump over Madara was great, they could have even made it more slammed out there if they wanted. Less Uchiha o that as well. Not against all ideas, I am against certain ones that do no seemingly deliver in their "What if" concept. But we'll never know because they always will remain "What if". 

 

If someone is trying to explain why the end was not that good, because of some aspects (like let Sasuke be free), and that said person is trying to change the end to make it more appealing from a quality standpoint -> its you quoting and replying "No, some of your aspects doesn't automatically make the story better.. Kishimoto wanted it this way, so everything is fine from a storywriting standpoint"

 

I argued on the Sasuke one on how it came to be. It's another what if. I don't think it would make the story better, so yeah, went against the idea. 

 

But the Sasuke thing? Rarely brought up. The build up of Kaguya? Rarely brought up.

 

Most of the discussions and complaints brought up? Shipping. The majority are at the core about shipping, or end up going back to shipping. Somehow. Someway. 

 

As an aside, I have even criticized what Kishimoto -has- done. But, you know, you don't capture that in your summary here. He's not perfect. And I have never painted him that way. 

What is not true? i said 95%, so you don't have to bring up your 5% where you actually turned off your stubborness. And no... i don't care if its acutally 10% or 15%. The amount of you trying to make a own standpoint against other in almost every debate is just exaggerated and pointless.

Almost every idea, change or improvement is more or less a "what if"-situation, so i have actually no idea what you are trying to accomplish with that phrase. So we can't talk about alternatives because thats automatically a "what-if"-situation? i dont get it, and i think its dumb. In order to criticize something negetively you have to bring up the argumentation of "how better it could have been" -> which is just a "what if"-situation. 

I also acutally see no points of you debating here about the NH-end within a NS-Fanclub. What are you trying to get? its self-explained that almost everyone here is pro-NS, and you are trying to convince other people how NH makes more sense ? Why don't you go over reddit.com/r/Naruto where you can debate about the Story? The enviorement would even fit you since 80% of the users there are pro everything-what-kishimoto-did. The ridicilious thing is that they would even agree on anything nonsense you would bring up, as long as you highlight kishimotos good writing.. which you are doing here already 24/7.

So yes, my argumentations stays.

You are here to debate against others, not about Naruto
You are here to highlight Kishimotos writing, even if you can't bring anything to why his writing is good
You are here to provoce NS-Shippers with your argumentations to why NH makes more sense

Whatever you trying to write again is just talking around the topic, and hiding the obvious fact of your behaviour

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and btw, there are more problems with kaguya than just the useless argumentation about her lack of "foreshadowing". 

How do you even prepare foreshadowing if you implement the "reincarnation-stuff / sage of the six path" so late as an element to the story? Let alone the fact that Naruto was already stacked to the top with Antagonism. Orochimaru, Kabuto, Tobi, Pain, Madara, Akatsuki side-members, Sasuke + His team,  the War etc. how can you even find space to put Kaguya somewhere in between ?
overfilling a story with antagonism is just hurting each antagonist because you divide their value within the story. 

The trump over Madara was just the neck-break for the war-arc. With Madara you had the best end-game villain possible in the Story. Forshadowing, empathy and his ideologies part with his ambitions were just too good... and that got replaced with a woman where you at the end don't even know what her true main-goal is. She is obsessed with Chakra.. great, and after that?
Her characterdesign lacks on every corner, its just plain dumb implementing her character if you already had Madara.

How do you even use a villain like Kaguya within the Story if her real introduction is at the end of the story? There is no room for Kaguya to put herself in the position of an great antagonist. Its just a over-used boring end-boss introduction where the protagonist can show the audience that he can even deal with enemies on god-level. 







 

[Kagomaru]

If you assume they're joking why ruin the joke and pick on it?? You really answer a lot of rethorical questions and remarks literally not just here I'mve seen it in several threads, and it's extremely tiring.

Remember, being obtusely contrary for the sake of it is her primary characteristic.

[VanitasDS76491]

It's the only conclusion that makes logically sense.

Agreed thinking about how this ending makes any sense is like trying to figure out the continuity of the live action resident evil movies meaning you can't cause both continuity and consistency are kittened up. Madara winning in the end is better unless this is the dream world of his.

[Kagomaru]

Agreed thinking about how this ending makes any sense is like trying to figure out the continuity of the live action resident evil movies meaning you can't cause both continuity and consistency are kittened up. Madara winning in the end is better unless this is the dream world of his.

The vindictive side of me could just imagine Obito and Madara appearing Naruto's office, after taking in the state of Naruto's supposed "era of peace" and berating him for his hypocrisy.  If Boruto was, in fact, a world that was constructed as a test by Madara and/or Obito to challenge Naruto's dedication to his lofty promises of unity, prosperity and peace for the world,  I'd say that he failed miserably.

[Gravenimage]

Best way to describe Analyzer's way of thinking:

 

Fact by common sense: the sky is blue

 

But if  Kishimoto says the sky is red, then Analyzer will agree it's red and not blue because Kishimoto said so and he's never wrong. So she will argue with us trying to convince us the sky is red, when it's clearly not. 

[VanitasDS76491]

The vindictive side of me could just imagine Obito and Madara appearing Naruto's office, after taking in the state of Naruto's supposed "era of peace" and berating him for his hypocrisy.  If Boruto was, in fact, a world that was constructed as a test by Madara and/or Obito to challenge Naruto's dedication to his lofty promises of unity, prosperity and peace for the world,  I'd say that he failed miserably.

That's actually a good idea and they would or better if it's a dream have his parents, jiraya, nagato, Konan, and the other tailed beasts show up and say that only have it be like the fight with the sorrow in mgs 3 where naruto is walking down a river and seeing ghosts mocking him. And the real back breaker is he sees his young part 1 self and early shippuden and they call him out on his crap too and Sakura too, while the rest of his friends mock him for being a loser still. And all the ones who died over the course of the series including the third hokage mock him too. Really mess with his head and see him suffer for what he did.

Edited by VanitasDS76491, 11 September 2017 - 11:58 AM.

[Dalton.T.R]

 

Yeah. 

 

No. 

 

My thinking is nothing like this. 

No disrespect intended here, but based off your comments...yeah it is. 

[Kagomaru]

No disrespect intended here, but based off your comments...yeah it is. 

Or at the very least, struggles with the idea that authors of published works make mistakes.

[Dalton.T.R]

Or at the very least, struggles with the idea that authors of published works make mistakes.

Ain't that the truth. I can barely even read my first book now, but my writing has increased drastically since then.