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[Gaara's hair]

But Sakura had her back turned to Sasuke she hadn't done anything yet he attacked her. I don't think he knew she was going to kill him.

[KeikoxYusuke]

Hi...Sorry to butt in!(I'm kind of nervous about asking this)

So um, I was debating with this NaruHina fan on this forum:

debate(i stopped on pg. 18)

Can someone tell me if I am being biased and hypocritical? So far I've had three NaruHina fans call me that(one of them negged me doing so) and I don't know why(other than not providing enough chapters apparently).

First though I should say I am NOT asking people to come and help me debate(tho if you want to go for it. I'm pretty much done as that 'evidence' that Naruto doesn't love Sakura anymore was pretty much the last straw for me). I just want to know if I'm arguing right. I actually haven't done pairing debates in a loooong time.

Second although he looks like it, PrinceofPeace is not a troll. He legit believes everything he is saying.

Third, if it isn't obvious I'm Lari18.

I would really like other opinions on what I'm doing...thanks !

I just read that whole thing..holy...crap...that guy was annoying!!! I don't know how you put up with him...he is the sort who thinks if you stop fighting with him, he wins...or if the site he is one happens to support NH more, it means it's "winning" I can't stand people like that... I try to handle debates myself, but you...your far better at them if you ask me... great job, I think most people there couldn't prove you wroung, and they are just in denial.


I don't think you were biased at all! you did a great job, really you did! anyway, this is the only post I'm going to make about this, don't want to go off topic... great debating!

[KnS]

What if that is us? What if we are so dedicated to our pairing, that we refuse to see the logic and arguments made from the opposing fandoms? What if we are the ones that don't want to see the truth? It's that thought that sometimes makes me worried that Narusaku will not happen....................though that mostly went when the movie came out (damn that movie really raised my confidence, though it was mostly because of the comments they posted on the website).

The risk of blind shipping is a lack of objectivity. It happens because readers start looking for "facts" to support their pre-formed beliefs, rather than forming their beliefs on the facts. Asking the questions you're asking proves that you're striving for objectivity. Just keep looking for the truth in the facts, not in what you want to happen and you'll be fine.

Let's use NaruSaku4Life3g's statement below as an example.

Yeah, but a kill dude? Seriously, chop her again like long time ago and she will be asleep (maybe). Obviously, Sasuke doesn't give a damn. He's calm now, but his care factor is still little-to-none. The only thing he cares as a person is Naruto because Naruto thinks he can change, so Sasuke is determined to kill him to prove him wrong.

The simple truth of the Team 7 reunion scene gets twisted in a variety of ways in order to get the facts to support pre-formed beliefs. The basic facts are:

1. Sakura tries to kill Sasuke.
2. Sasuke retaliates and tries to kill Sakura.
3. Naruto saves Sakura.

Typical SS interpretation of the scene:
(1) Sakura would never really kill Sasuke because she loves him too much, and only tried because she loves him so much.
(2) Sasuke retaliated out of self-defense and because he's confused and stressed and suffering, but Sakura is very important to him because he thanked her for caring several years ago and he knows she loves him.
(3) Naruto saved Sakura because he would save anyone. The specific parallel of the Naruto/Sakura rescue imagery with Minato/Kushina is irrelevant because Sakura loves Sasuke and Sasuke (secretly) loves Sakura, he just can't admit it.

Typical NH interpretation of the scene:
(1) Sakura loves Sasuke and does not love Naruto; Naruto has accepted that fact and moved on because he knows Hinata really loves him in a way Sakura never will.
(2) Who cares about Sasuke and Sakura? If Sakura was killed, it helps NH.
(3) Naruto saved Sakura because he would save anyone and because he thinks of her as his sister. The specific parallel of the Naruto/Sakura rescue imagery with Minato/Kushina is irrelevant because Naruto doesn't love Sakura anymore and Hinata is the one like Kushina anyway, not Sakura.

Typical NS interpretation of the scene:
(1) Sakura loves Sasuke and hesitated to kill him, but tried to kill him anyway because Naruto's safety and release from the POAL meant more to her than her own feelings OR Sasuke's life.
(2) Sasuke does not value Sakura's life, and she is irrelevant to his quest and his conflict with Naruto.
(3) Naruto saved Sakura because he loves her, values her as a member of Team 7, and the specific parallel of the Naruto/Sakura rescue imagery with Minato/Kushina is intentional foreshadowing of what is to come or it wouldn't have been drawn that way.

All three of these interpretations contain bias, certainly, but only one takes the comprehensive facts of the entire story into account, admits facts contrary to their ship, and doesn't make big assumptions to support their ship that cannot be evidenced in the manga.

SS hangs solely on Sakura's love for Sasuke -- a fact that honest NS fans admit. But there is nothing from Sasuke's side to support the ship at all. Nothing. Considering the fact that Sakura has been Naruto's love interest since chapter 3, it doesn't make logical or story development sense that Sasuke will win her heart at the end, especially when he has never shown any interest in doing so. Fanship wishes cannot overcome reality as it currently stands.

NH hangs solely on Hinata's love for Naruto -- a fact that honest NS fans admit. But it is not Hinata's story, and her desires and development do not drive the outcome. Apart from sweet friendship and the encouragement befitting a future leader, Naruto has shown no romantic interest in Hinata in either word, thought, or deed. None. Considering the fact that Sakura has been Naruto's love interest since chapter 3, it doesn't make logical or story development sense that Hinata will win his heart at the end, especially when he has never shown any desire in that outcome. Fanship wishes cannot overcome reality as it currently stands.

NS hangs on the hero's love for the main girl and her confused but deep and sacrificial feelings for him -- a fact that honest SS and NH fans would admit. They have had misunderstandings and setbacks, and Sakura's feelings for Sasuke have been a serious and inarguable stumbling block, but there are indications that Sakura's feelings are shifting and that Naruto is waiting for her. Fanship wishes are supported by the events as they currently stand.

Are we biased? Sure, somewhat. But we're also open-minded. As things change, I have confidence that we will do our best to interpret them honestly and adjust our expectations accordingly.

Sorry for the tl;dr.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Great post.

I will keep the idea that I wrote earlier in my mind because that's how I saw it. Either way, it's best to leave it alone. It doesn't matter that much to me anymore. All I know is that Naruto repaired the damage for Team 7, let alone Sakura being happy again.

[KnS]

I will keep the idea that I wrote earlier in my mind because that's how I saw it. Either way, it's best to leave it alone. It doesn't matter that much to me anymore. All I know is that Naruto repaired the damage for Team 7, let alone Sakura being happy again.

I hope you don't think I was calling you out or disagreeing with what you've said. Naturally I agee with you. I was simply using your clear statement of Sasuke's reaction as an example of objectivity as opposed to super-biased interpretation and wishful thinking.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I hope you don't think I was calling you out or disagreeing with what you've said. Naturally I agee with you. I was simply using your clear statement of Sasuke's reaction as an example of objectivity as opposed to super-biased interpretation and wishful thinking.

It's all good. No harm feelings. Btw, new chapter is out.

So yeah, let's keep it up with these questions.

[Branden]

That doesn't explain Karin "Sasuke...Don't..." Besides, even Kakashi said that Sasuke is going too far, with knowing that Sakura is trying to kill him. He can defend himself, but either way, you're no better if you kill the person, who you know as well. So much for close friend. I can understand a normal assassin trying to assassinate you and you kill him/her in self-defense, but if it's a "friend," it would have been wise to attack her and stop her. Killing her with the idea that you were her friend is crazy. That's just me. Naruto wouldn't hurt a fly. This is the guy who didn't go for the kill when he met Nagato, the one who made Naruto's boiled.

That's just me. I hope you're not insisting that Sasuke is good for doing so. It's bad and that's how Kishi wants us to see it that way. Oh yeah, what about Karin? Stabs her and Danzou at the same time, not to mention he even told her that she's a burden. Hell, even the game made a straight-forward version by making him colder than he was in the manga. It's given that Sasuke was crazy at that time. Just be happy he's calm now.

Yeah, I do apologize for going uproar on this topic.

Clearly we have different mentality. If somebody is trying to kill you, then you defend yourself. Seriously Sasuke tries to kill everyone he fights, so because Sakura decided to fight him that makes it any different? Fireballs, lightning and knives kill people. It's no different weather Sakura was shooting a fireball at him or trying to stab him, Sasuke is going to fight back, deal with it.

[T XD]

Clearly we have different mentality. If somebody is trying to kill you, then you defend yourself. Seriously Sasuke tries to kill everyone he fights, so because Sakura decided to fight him that makes it any different? Fireballs, lightning and knives kill people. It's no different weather Sakura was shooting a fireball at him or trying to stab him, Sasuke is going to fight back, deal with it.

Sauke will fight back but we are seeing that he was going to kill her, not just defending himself in a way or another. The idea of this scene is to show us how Sasuke doesn't care about Sakura and he is supposed to reconsider his action of killing her or at least hesitate before going to the kill. But what we got is Sasuke full willingly going for the kill and wanted to kill her from the first time he lay his eyes on her in the moment that he had encounter her again. This scene shows Sasuke how he thinks and kills not caring who is the person that he's willing to kill whatsoever even if the person had a bond with him.

Edited by T XD, 19 September 2012 - 08:38 AM.

[redragon88]

Clearly we have different mentality. If somebody is trying to kill you, then you defend yourself. Seriously Sasuke tries to kill everyone he fights, so because Sakura decided to fight him that makes it any different? Fireballs, lightning and knives kill people. It's no different weather Sakura was shooting a fireball at him or trying to stab him, Sasuke is going to fight back, deal with it.

It's all really a matter of the scenario that was presented.

If Sakura came and the first thing she did was attack him and Sasuke fought back it would just be like any other fight he's done before. But this time she put her back to him therefore not being able to keep an eye on him. In that situation Sasuke could've easily just disappeared and left her there, foiling her assassination plan. But he consciously chose to attack and kill her when he had the option to avoid that.

It's because Sasuke chose the strategy to kill instead of avoiding that Kakashi said he had fallen low. It's good to always defend yourself when attacked, but I'm sure everyone of us, including yourself, would choose to avoid fighting and causing damage if the option was available to us.

[Codus N]

I just had a thought: does anyone else think Obito will do something similar in the movie??

To be more precise, what if Kishimoto pulls a Watsuki on us?? remember when Watsuki "killed" Kaoru in RK?? Enishi did it to break Kenshin completely, which worked fantastically. So, maybe Obito will do something similar?? I could see him using Limited Tsukuyomi like he did in the movie and create an illusion where Sakura dies by his hands so that he'll make Naruto feel his pain.

When in reality he's preparing to use her as an ET sacrifice for Rin. I can see her managing to escape somehow and break the genjutsu on everyone. Naruto gets thrilled and and out of sheer excitement kisses her (or her kissing him to convince him it's not a genjutsu). And, in a way, this also trolls the NH fanbase hard.

[T XD]

I just had a thought: does anyone else think Obito will do something similar in the movie??

To be more precise, what if Kishimoto pulls a Watsuki on us?? remember when Watsuki "killed" Kaoru in RK?? Enishi did it to break Kenshin completely, which worked fantastically. So, maybe Obito will do something similar?? I could see him using Limited Tsukuyomi like he did in the movie and create an illusion where Sakura dies by his hands so that he'll make Naruto feel his pain.

When in reality he's preparing to use her as an ET sacrifice for Rin. I can see her managing to escape somehow and break the genjutsu on everyone. Naruto gets thrilled and and out of sheer excitement kisses her (or her kissing him to convince him it's not a genjutsu). And, in a way, this also trolls the NH fanbase hard.

It's a way if Obito wanted from Naruto to feel his pain and Sakura surviving. It's really good but i don't think, if Obito were to put Naruto in his place to feel the pain, that he'll use her as an ET sacrifice for Rin.
Though, i like the last part of the idea, the kissing XD, it's romantic and comical. Then again, we would have known that there's something like this cause there will be like a cut scene or something like that.

Edited by T XD, 19 September 2012 - 01:48 PM.

[Branden]

I just had a thought: does anyone else think Obito will do something similar in the movie??

To be more precise, what if Kishimoto pulls a Watsuki on us?? remember when Watsuki "killed" Kaoru in RK?? Enishi did it to break Kenshin completely, which worked fantastically. So, maybe Obito will do something similar?? I could see him using Limited Tsukuyomi like he did in the movie and create an illusion where Sakura dies by his hands so that he'll make Naruto feel his pain.

When in reality he's preparing to use her as an ET sacrifice for Rin. I can see her managing to escape somehow and break the genjutsu on everyone. Naruto gets thrilled and and out of sheer excitement kisses her (or her kissing him to convince him it's not a genjutsu). And, in a way, this also trolls the NH fanbase hard.

Was interesting until the last part. That's just never going to happen :\ interesting idea though.

[AnaHatakechan]

Whenever I watch Naruto shippuden, I see stupid comments like "Sakura is a b*tch! Hinata deserves Naruto!" Its the same when I read the chapters of the manga...it pisses me off. Because they don't seem to be paying attension to the actual plot of the series. And only seem to care about pairings rather than where this stupid ninja war is going. If you ask me the pairing war is bigger the the fourth shinobi world war...and thats saying something. (I am not hating on any character or fans (
I've been called "Stupid, b*tch, stupid b*tch" by crazed NaruHina fans all because I support the NaruSaku pairing and don't really see NH happening...sue me? :/
I've been told I hardly know anything about the Naruto series all because I don't support NaruHina...the person who said this didn't even know what a kunai was, nor did they know how to spell most of the characters names...

The NaruHina arguments are always the same...they can't seem to debate without bringing up "Hinata confessed her love, Sakura lied during her confession" etc. Basically they bash Sakura in order to make Hinata look like shes amazing when in reality she does bull kitten in the series.

“Sakura all ways insults Naruto, and punches him!! If NaruSaku were to happen it’d be an abusive relationship!!!!! Hinata would do nothing but worship Naruto and love him! Naruto needs someone like that!”

This is another statement that the NaruHina fan base seems to use whenever debating “Sakura punches Naruto! Sakura insults Naruto!” Well, Sakura doesn’t hit Naruto just for the sake of it nor does she hit him because she doesn’t like him or for any other reasons like that. She yells or hits him for a reason, because he’s stepped out of line and or had her worried (the punch beofre the Naruto/Sakura hug). The anime makes Sakura look a lot more aggressive and abusive, whereas in the manga she punches him when ever he steps out of line maybe every odd chapter. Not to mention Sakura isn’t the only character in the series to hit Naruto, Kushina has hit him does that make her an abusive mother? As has Kakashi; Tsunade has even challenged him when he was being disrespectful. So why don’t they get hated on? Oh, it’s because Sakura hits him the most? Like I’ve said it’s not because she dislikes him in anyway, she clearly cares about her team mate very much and clearly enjoys his company. Plus it may not seem like it, but its MEANT to be funny (again not including the punch before the N/S hug)
In Shippuden Sakura hasn’t really punched Naruto that much, not counting the filler episodes. And there have been reasons for each of them. After seeing Sakura’s inhuman strength Naruto thought to himself “I should stop playing round in front of Sakura…she could kill me!” and this statement isn’t out of fear, concern or anything like that. Naruto simply smiles gently as he thinks this. He marvels at her strength and realises that he should start acting more mature, especially in front of Sakura. I’ve seen and heard a few NaruHina fans say that Hinata’s calm personality would calm Naruto down when he’s hyped up, but by the looks of it Sakura clearly has already taken care of.

I’d also like to point out that Sakura is a Tsundere. What is a Tsundere you ask? A Tsundere is a Japanese character development process which describes a person who is initially cold or even hostile towards another person before gradually showing his or her warm side over time. The word is divided from the terms “Tsu Tsnu” meaning to turn away in disgust, and Dere Dere meaning to become ‘lovey dovey’. Now, who does that remind us of? Sakura.
Kishimoto is clearly following the basic shonen layout of main character x tsundere. At least I hope so xD
Remember that even the most aggressive woman is tender to the man she loves.

Sakura is still in love with Sasuke! And Hinata is in love with Naruto, therefore they are going to end up with the ones they love! Even Kishimoto said Sakura is still in love with Sasuke!!

That is true; he did say Sakura was still in love with Sasuke. But that is only half of what he said.
“Sakura loves Sasuke that is what we can understand by her wordings, but never forgot she is closer to Naruto."
That sounds to me like it could go either way, she may still be in love with him but she could also hold some feelings toward Naruto.
Not to mention Naruto is still in love with Sakura, Hinata may love Naruto but he doesn’t feel the same way. He’s always held feelings for Sakura not Hinata. Despite what most NaruHina fans say, Naruto has not started looking at Hinata differently, (nor has she grown stronger since her confession) he still sees her as a friend. Nothing more nothing less.


Sakura loves Sasuke, Hinata loves Naruto! The girls can’t change their minds, but Naruto can change his mind about Sakura!!
(I actually saw someone say this...)
So Sakura and Hinata can’t change their minds about their crushes But Naruto can? How on earth does that work. It seems rather hypocritical if you ask me. Sakura can fall in love with someone else and so can Hinata.
If you haven’t noticed already both NaruHina and SasuSaku is painfully one sided on the girls be half. Neither of boys (Naruto and Sasuke) return their feelings. (Naruto with Hinata, Sasuke with Sakura) Hinata is in love with Naruto, Naruto is in love with Sakura, Sakura is in ‘love’ with Sasuke and Sasuke doesn’t give a kitten.

“Naruto is deep in the friend zone with Sakura! Once you’re in the friend zone you can never get out!!”

I hate it when people use the “friend zone” as an excuse to not being able to be with someone. It is hard to get out of the friend zone yes, but it’s not impossible. Naruto has been taking one step toward the exit of the friend zone since the end of part one and start of part two...Next...

“Sakura lied during her confession! She doesn’t love Naruto! She still loves Sasuke!!! She’s messing with Naruto’s feelings plus she’s using him!!!!!!!!!”£E$R%” (Nerd rage much o.O?)

Not one NaruHina fan can be in a debate without bringing up Sakura’s confession. They blab on and on about she ‘lied’. You have to understand that the lie of her confession was that she no longer cared for Sasuke. Notice as soon as she lies about not caring for Sasuke any more Naruto doesn’t believe her. Sakura loves Naruto whether its platonic or true sincere love, she cares for Naruto more then any one gives her credit for. They still see this twelve year old genin who hated Naruto.
From what we can gather is that Sakura is conflicting with her feelings. Everything doesn’t make sense to her anymore. There’s this guy Sasuke whom she has feelings for and she assumes their romantic. But then there’s this guy Naruto who has done nothing but cheer her on and was always there for her, Sakura doesn’t know who to love. Does she love Sasuke or Naruto? We don’t know. Everyone just assumed or assumes that she’s still in ‘love’ with Sasuke but she might not be. She just has some kind of feelings for him and she just assumes its love. Maybe she’s in love with the idea of being in love. We just don’t know.
And about the part where they said “Sakura’s just using Naruto” How in heaven and earth is that possible? She’s NOT using Naruto. She told Naruto that he and she would bring Sasuke back together plus she trained for 2.5 years with both her team mates in mind. Therefore not using Naruto.

“Hinata relates to Naruto’s pains and she understands him more then anyone”
Hinata does not have some huge impact on Naruto’s life, unlike how the NH fan base seems to claim. She does relate to his pains. In ONE aspect. The pain she can relate to is the one of being a ‘dropout’, ‘failure’ or ‘underdog’ aspect. But bear in mind that Hinata isn’t the only one to relate/share that pain. When Naruto thinks of the pain of being a ‘loser, dropout’ etc, he thinks of BOTH Hinata and Rock Lee who also share that pain. But the main pain Naruto feels in part one is loneliness. And Garaa shares that pain as does Sasuke.
In Part two however, Hinata doesn’t share or relate to any of his pains. Tsunade stated Naruto to become the next Hokage plus Kakashi said that he will surpass both himself and Yondaime Hokage. Naruto is no longer a ‘loser’ or ‘underdog’. His current pains are loosing his first bond (Sasuke leaving the village) and the pain of being a Jinchuuriki. Both in which Hinata can not relate to nor understand. Sakura relates to the pain of loosing a team mate plus she accepts him as a jinchuriki. Garaa relates to the pain of being a jinchuriki too.

“Naruto made a blood oath to Hinata”
This could be considered to make a strong connection between the two, but it has become irrelevant. When I first read the chapter I thought it could be a good chance that NaruHina would be the final pairing, but it hasn’t. They haven’t formed a personal relationship. Naruto still has to go out of his way to think of Hinata and or even think of the conversation he had with her. They still haven’t formed a relationship.
Maybe Naruto wouldn’t have made the blood oath for just any one, but the main reason for the blood oath was because Neji insulted ‘loser’s in general. When Neji questions Naruto about why he was fighting him he didn’t say “Because you were mean to Hinata” He simply says “Because I was called a loser” and he thinks of BOTH Lee and Hinata. He was fighting for losers in general. Nothing more, nothing less.

“Hinata was the first to see the quiet side of Naruto”
Okay first of all, that wasn’t the quiet side of Naruto that was the depressed side and even so she wasn’t the first to see it. Mizuki was back in chapter/episode one.

“All the fillers that Hinata played a role were clearly NaruHina moment/development now some people say that filler don’t count toward canon. But that is where they are all wrong, Naruto still belongs to Kishimoto and he still says what can and what cannot be done.”
Filler episodes don’t count towards canon. If those moments and ‘development’ were so important, Kishimoto would have included them in the manga, which he didn’t. The NaruHina moments were put in the episodes to give the NaruHina fans what they wanted to see. Plus NaruHina was very popular in part one. But even so episodes that are filler which include NaruHina moments still do not count towards canon. If there was a filler episode with a NaruSaku or SasuNaru moment they wouldn’t count, so if there is an episode with NH moments then they also don’t count
Kishimoto also has hardly anything to do with the anime, and even if he did say put NH moments in the episodes . He didn't include them in his manga so they still don't count

Thats bascially what I've seen of the NH debates, don't get me wrong I have nothing against NaruHina or their fan base its just that I don't see NaruHina happening, I think it will be NaruSaku or no pairing. (I was also sticking up for Sakura and NaruSaku) But thats just me. As long as Naruto becomes Hokage I don't really mind what happens. I would love to see NaruSaku become canon its my one true pairing for sure. But it drives me insane how people these days treat each other all because of different opinions on pairings xD!
NARUSAKU

Edited by AnaHatakechan, 22 October 2012 - 12:31 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Whenever I watch Naruto shippuden, I see stupid comments like "Sakura is a b*tch! Hinata deserves Naruto!" Its the same when I read the chapters of the manga...it pisses me off. Because they don't seem to be paying attension to the actual plot of the series. And only seem to care about pairings rather than where this stupid ninja war is going. If you ask me the pairing war is bigger the the fourth shinobi world war...and thats saying something. (I am not hating on any character or fans (
I've been called "Stupid, b*tch, stupid b*tch" by crazed NaruHina fans all because I support the NaruSaku pairing and don't really see NH happening...sue me? :/
I've been told I hardly know anything about the Naruto series all because I don't support NaruHina...the person who said this didn't even know what a kunai was, nor did they know how to spell most of the characters names...

The NaruHina arguments are always the same...they can't seem to debate without bringing up "Hinata confessed her love, Sakura lied during her confession" etc. Basically they bash Sakura in order to make Hinata look like shes amazing when in reality she does bull kitten in the series.

“Sakura all ways insults Naruto, and punches him!! If NaruSaku were to happen it’d be an abusive relationship!!!!! Hinata would do nothing but worship Naruto and love him! Naruto needs someone like that!”
He asked for it, "abusive relationship" wut.

Sakura is still in love with Sasuke! And Hinata is in love with Naruto, therefore they are going to end up with the ones they love! Even Kishimoto said Sakura is still in love with Sasuke!!
First off i think you should decide if they are going to end up with the ones they love so naruto would actually have two wives, sakura because he loves her and hinata because she loves him.

Sakura loves Sasuke, Hinata loves Naruto! The girls can’t change their minds, but Naruto can change his mind about Sakura!!
girls cant change their minds why boys have to change then?
why this feminism of all sudden?

“Naruto is deep in the friend zone with Sakura! Once you’re in the friend zone you can never get out!!”
Shounen manga, go back to Glee.

“Sakura lied during her confession! She doesn’t love Naruto! She still loves Sasuke!!! She’s messing with Naruto’s feelings plus she’s using him!!!!!!!!!”£E$R%” (Nerd rage much o.O?)
She did her best to stop naruto putting himself into more danger she did more things to him than just running up towards pain and get 1 hit ko'ed.

“Hinata relates to Naruto’s pains and she understands him more then anyone”
the opposite in k11 she's the most person that understimate naruto, naruto cant receive any kind of damage that she think he will lose and she have to do something.

“Naruto made a blood oath to Hinata”
he made a blood oath to anyone, he swear that he would change the hyuuga clan and it is already changed.

“Hinata was the first to see the quiet side of Naruto”
and this makes her special?

“All the fillers that Hinata played a role I were clearly NaruHina moment/development now some people say that filler don’t count toward canon. But that is where they are all wrong, Naruto still belongs to Kishimoto and he still says what can and what cannot be done.”
(he can do whatever he want in manga the anime he already sold the license they can even stop sticking with the manga if they want to, they dont want this because they are bad are script writing and it's pretty obvious on the interview at anitv when they say that making fillers are difficult it's easier to make fanservice instead of creating some original story).

So lets count that rock lee, naruto were beaten by a bunch of animal ninjas, and he already kissed a girl, have met another uzumaki person, konoha had been invaded
by zombies, 122423424 different countries exists, thousand of hidden villages, that naruto was swallowed by 4th tails and could not talk with him despite being a jinchuuriki, that in all fillers he cant use senjutsu, that despite being a badass he always get owned by some random ninja.

Edited by dovahkiin, 19 September 2012 - 05:27 PM.

[redragon88]

hes a main character

but the older guy was shown first.

but the guy that likes her was shown in the same chapter, and is in almost every chapter after that. and hes very loud like naruto XDD so he isnt shy.

and he is trying!!

Could you tell me the name of that anime, it's really got me curious now.

Still, as far as I understand the main character is the girl, as in the story is centered around her, right? So her feelings are always going to take the priority even if the other guy tries hard.

The girl loving the older cool guy is probably part of the selling point of the story because it appeals to the female demographic it's aiming towards.

[Arachnia]

he can do whatever he want in manga the anime he already sold the license they can even stop sticking with the manga if they want to, they dont want this because they are bad are script writing and it's pretty obvious on the interview at anitv when they say that making fillers are difficult it's easier to make fanservice instead of creating some original story).

lol i dident know he sold the license from the anime ?
TBH i dont think they will change the anime from the manga but still:S

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

he can do whatever he want in manga the anime he already sold the license they can even stop sticking with the manga if they want to, they dont want this because they are bad are script writing and it's pretty obvious on the interview at anitv when they say that making fillers are difficult it's easier to make fanservice instead of creating some original story).

lol i dident know he sold the license from the anime ?
TBH i dont think they will change the anime from the manga but still:S

they can stop following the manga but they would have more expenses the TV Tokyo has nothing to do with kishimoto they ahve a contract only, Pierrot Studio is paid by TV Tokyo to make the naruto animation and nothing more, kishimoto has nothing to do with the animation only in cases if he is hired to do it, like Road to Sakura he was being paid to do the movie and as a courtesy he did that episode to promote the movie only.

i doubt that they will change because to do this TV Tokyo would have to pay more, and it's expensive already to do their current animation i doubt they would pay more.
and naruto is not the only anime that TV Tokyo has.

www.ani.tv

Edited by dovahkiin, 19 September 2012 - 06:16 PM.

[swagosaurus]

So, I'm new here. What's up?
Anyways, I'm a little confuzzled.
Did Naruto give up/start to not really care about his promise anymore? During the whole confession fiasco, here and here, it sort of seemed like the promise wasn't important to him.
Especially when he said "it doesn't have anything to do with my promise to you."
I understand he's focused on Sasuke or whatever, but this is what I'm taking from the dialogue.

Edited by swagosaurus, 19 September 2012 - 06:57 PM.

[AnaHatakechan]

Whenever I watch Naruto shippuden, I see stupid comments like "Sakura is a b*tch! Hinata deserves Naruto!" Its the same when I read the chapters of the manga...it pisses me off. Because they don't seem to be paying attension to the actual plot of the series. And only seem to care about pairings rather than where this stupid ninja war is going. If you ask me the pairing war is bigger the the fourth shinobi world war...and thats saying something. (I am not hating on any character or fans (
I've been called "Stupid, b*tch, stupid b*tch" by crazed NaruHina fans all because I support the NaruSaku pairing and don't really see NH happening...sue me? :/
I've been told I hardly know anything about the Naruto series all because I don't support NaruHina...the person who said this didn't even know what a kunai was, nor did they know how to spell most of the characters names...

The NaruHina arguments are always the same...they can't seem to debate without bringing up "Hinata confessed her love, Sakura lied during her confession" etc. Basically they bash Sakura in order to make Hinata look like shes amazing when in reality she does bull kitten in the series.

“Sakura all ways insults Naruto, and punches him!! If NaruSaku were to happen it’d be an abusive relationship!!!!! Hinata would do nothing but worship Naruto and love him! Naruto needs someone like that!”
He asked for it, "abusive relationship" wut.

Sakura is still in love with Sasuke! And Hinata is in love with Naruto, therefore they are going to end up with the ones they love! Even Kishimoto said Sakura is still in love with Sasuke!!
First off i think you should decide if they are going to end up with the ones they love so naruto would actually have two wives, sakura because he loves her and hinata because she loves him.

Sakura loves Sasuke, Hinata loves Naruto! The girls can’t change their minds, but Naruto can change his mind about Sakura!!
girls cant change their minds why boys have to change then?
why this feminism of all sudden?

“Naruto is deep in the friend zone with Sakura! Once you’re in the friend zone you can never get out!!”
Shounen manga, go back to Glee.

“Sakura lied during her confession! She doesn’t love Naruto! She still loves Sasuke!!! She’s messing with Naruto’s feelings plus she’s using him!!!!!!!!!”£E$R%” (Nerd rage much o.O?)
She did her best to stop naruto putting himself into more danger she did more things to him than just running up towards pain and get 1 hit ko'ed.

“Hinata relates to Naruto’s pains and she understands him more then anyone”
the opposite in k11 she's the most person that understimate naruto, naruto cant receive any kind of damage that she think he will lose and she have to do something.

“Naruto made a blood oath to Hinata”
he made a blood oath to anyone, he swear that he would change the hyuuga clan and it is already changed.

“Hinata was the first to see the quiet side of Naruto”
and this makes her special?

“All the fillers that Hinata played a role I were clearly NaruHina moment/development now some people say that filler don’t count toward canon. But that is where they are all wrong, Naruto still belongs to Kishimoto and he still says what can and what cannot be done.”
(he can do whatever he want in manga the anime he already sold the license they can even stop sticking with the manga if they want to, they dont want this because they are bad are script writing and it's pretty obvious on the interview at anitv when they say that making fillers are difficult it's easier to make fanservice instead of creating some original story).

So lets count that rock lee, naruto were beaten by a bunch of animal ninjas, and he already kissed a girl, have met another uzumaki person, konoha had been invaded
by zombies, 122423424 different countries exists, thousand of hidden villages, that naruto was swallowed by 4th tails and could not talk with him despite being a jinchuuriki, that in all fillers he cant use senjutsu, that despite being a badass he always get owned by some random ninja.

you do realise that the points in black bold were the statments from NaruHina fans and not from me right?

[TouKen4Life3g]

So, I'm new here. What's up?
Anyways, I'm a little confuzzled.
Did Naruto give up/start to not really care about his promise anymore? During the whole confession fiasco, here and here, it sort of seemed like the promise wasn't important to him.
Especially when he said "it doesn't have anything to do with my promise to you."
I understand he's focused on Sasuke or whatever, but this is what I'm taking from the dialogue.

He does care. The main point is that if Sakura gives up on the promise, then Naruto will come back and no longer pursue to save Sasuke. However, Naruto has more than one reason to save Sasuke, mainly for his benefit. Even the promise is off, he will still pursue because he have his own reason. In short, Sakura's plan has failed. He still cares as he cares for Sakura. It will break his character if he stops caring. It's all good.

@AnaHatakechan: Great post.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 19 September 2012 - 07:27 PM.