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#45121 VanitasDS76491

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 10:09 AM

So Ria and I were rewatching Kiki's Delivery Service and man it holds up such a beautiful story just like Castle in the Sky, Howl's Moving Castle, etc from the legendary Hiyao Mizaki.  
 
 
Somwhere in the midsts of our conversation, Ria asked Could you imagine if Naruto was done Hiyao Miazaki?
 
and I said It would most likely be a lot better from beginning to end unlike what the story we got. That includes the pairings as well.

I'd welcome that if miazaki did naruto or Kojima, they know how write stories. Besides miazaki said that fandoms ruin everything and you what he's right.
On an unrelated note anyone Remember Homer badman and Homer's enemy from the Simpsons I'd like to see naruto try and do those messages and kitten it up cause they would, with Homer's enemy have it be Sakura as grimes only she doesn't go crazy and die. Cause the speech grimes gives Homer in that episode about how he's wrong with America, I feel like that hinata for naruto and Sasuke too.

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Posted 22 August 2017 - 11:01 AM

He would most likely tone down everything.

Starting by this obsessive romance crap (fangirling over Sasuke, Sakura worrying aboout her weight at the Age of 12!, breaking a bond with a friend because of a guy who is not interested in her in the slightest!) in Part 1, that "sexy jutsu" kitten and make characters act more realistic.

Since Studio Ghibli was always known for its stong female heroines, Miazaki would threat Sakura (and Hinata!) way better than Kishimoto himself.

 

As far as I remember, Miazaki didn't say that the fandom ruins everything, he said that the Otakus, who work in the Anime industry (the ones we always suspected working in Pierrot and making Hinata the "Filler Queen") ruin everything.


"We live in a world that is so quick to convince us to ignore our feelings. Feeling stressed? Get a massage. Feeling angry? Go to the bar with your friends and blow off steam. Feeling lonely? Meet someone in cyberspace and have a conversation on the computer. Depressed? Take a pill. Anxiety? Take 2 pills. Feeling happy? Well, by George, don’t talk about that because no one likes a bragger. Same with being sad, no one likes a Debbie Downer. But, heaven FORBID, that you actually TALK about your feelings and process them in a healthy way."
 
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Posted 22 August 2017 - 09:03 PM

So Ria and I were rewatching Kiki's Delivery Service and man it holds up such a beautiful story just like Castle in the Sky, Howl's Moving Castle, etc from the legendary Hiyao Mizaki.  

 

 

Somwhere in the midsts of our conversation, Ria asked Could you imagine if Naruto was done by Hiyao Miazaki?

 

and I said It would most likely be a lot better from beginning to end unlike what the story we got. That includes the pairings as well. 

I've watched many of Hiyao Miazaki movies. The main characters are developed smoothly and end up being true to their development in a neat way.

 

If only Hiyao was Kishimoto's editor, guide or director. His influence would change at least some things during the course of the manga with more excitement, suspense and uniqueness added to the story and the main characters.

 

All of Hiyao Miyazaki stories are unique in their own way. Naruto's plot would be different if it had Hiyao's influence and guide.



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Posted 22 August 2017 - 09:08 PM

He would most likely tone down everything.

Starting by this obsessive romance crap (fangirling over Sasuke, Sakura worrying aboout her weight at the Age of 12!, breaking a bond with a friend because of a guy who is not interested in her in the slightest!) in Part 1, that "sexy jutsu" kitten and make characters act more realistic.

Since Studio Ghibli was always known for its stong female heroines, Miazaki would threat Sakura (and Hinata!) way better than Kishimoto himself.

 

As far as I remember, Miazaki didn't say that the fandom ruins everything, he said that the Otakus, who work in the Anime industry (the ones we always suspected working in Pierrot and making Hinata the "Filler Queen") ruin everything.

 

Word on the Otakus part. I suspect that the current writers, whoever they are, for Boruto are a bunch of Otakus. SP also seems to have quite a few in their employ. Explains a lot really.


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Posted 24 August 2017 - 04:00 PM

Saradas' outfit (miniskirt and high heels at the age of ... 12?) and behaviour ... yeah, I think that says it all.


"We live in a world that is so quick to convince us to ignore our feelings. Feeling stressed? Get a massage. Feeling angry? Go to the bar with your friends and blow off steam. Feeling lonely? Meet someone in cyberspace and have a conversation on the computer. Depressed? Take a pill. Anxiety? Take 2 pills. Feeling happy? Well, by George, don’t talk about that because no one likes a bragger. Same with being sad, no one likes a Debbie Downer. But, heaven FORBID, that you actually TALK about your feelings and process them in a healthy way."
 
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Posted 29 August 2017 - 03:00 PM

Imagine Hidetaka Miyazaki editing Naruto.

I'm talking about the very same guy who came with these!

 

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 03:59 PM

How about some fun?

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 04:00 PM


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Posted 29 August 2017 - 04:04 PM

 

Had to do it, I take it, Ken? :3



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Posted 29 August 2017 - 05:33 PM

Had to do it, I take it, Ken? :3

Yep.

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Posted 29 August 2017 - 10:58 PM

Yep.


Still a better love story than naruto.

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 08:31 AM

I can't accept it maan it's been almost 3 years since naruto came to end, but I feel like it wasn't good, feel like something is lack from the serie, I mean the whole history has only one development, never give up, but Naruto gived up on Sakura. I know is an insignificant part of the plot, but when it look all naruto's plot and avery time I do it I feel like NS is lack in it and I can't get it.
I'd like to know how is Boruto in solds and see if they are getting well about the final that's all know was by the money, and sincerely I hope Boruto became in DBGT.
As far as I know the Japanese aren't happy 'bout the final too so why don't kishi make an alternative final, don't care if it's just a manga issue... sorry guys about my English... and sorry about my groan...

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 09:02 AM

I can't accept it maan it's been almost 3 years since naruto came to end, but I feel like it wasn't good, feel like something is lack from the serie, I mean the whole history has only one development, never give up, but Naruto gived up on Sakura. I know is an insignificant part of the plot, but when it look all naruto's plot and avery time I do it I feel like NS is lack in it and I can't get it.
I'd like to know how is Boruto in solds and see if they are getting well about the final that's all know was by the money, and sincerely I hope Boruto became in DBGT.
As far as I know the Japanese aren't happy 'bout the final too so why don't kishi make an alternative final, don't care if it's just a manga issue... sorry guys about my English... and sorry about my groan...

Well, you'll be happy to know that Boruto is bombing hard in the ratings department and its manga sales are equally dismal. The series is expected by most of us to face cancellation either this or next year.


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 10:12 AM

Well, you'll be happy to know that Boruto is bombing hard in the ratings department and its manga sales are equally dismal. The series is expected by most of us to face cancellation either this or next year.

Well that's good I mean it seems that they are all trying so hard to keep it going, so I think that by the end of next year it shall be axed, I mean if you look at DB Super its ratings are doing very well heck at one time MasakoX says they are beating the One Piece ratings more so with the whole that the start was all click bait from Kishi, first the first pages of chapter 1 of the manga and the anime just so people would watch it.



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Posted 02 September 2017 - 08:50 AM

And what's something I kept bringing up - the only things that made Naruto and Sasuke Hokage-level were sheer brute power, but mentally and emotionally, they were far from prepared for the position and still are. Brute power, even when coupled with supposedly noble thinking and charisma, doesn't automatically make a good Kage. Even Ay, while he initially appeared to be a purely emotional and brute power type, showed that he still had intelligence, political savvy, and other things that shows why he was a Kage. Even Gaara showed that despite his age, he also had a far greater and far more matured mentality from his experiences that showed why he was made Kazekage..

Naruto and Sasuke have constantly shown to be too emotionally impulsive, they pretty easily get tunnel vision when it came to certain topics, they think only their way is the right way and everyone else should be changed (Naruto) or killed (Sasuke), and so on.

I mean, can you imagine if, for whatever reason, a Fifth Great Shinobi War broke out while Naruto was Hokage? Does anyone honestly believe the present Naruto would be able to make the extremely difficult decision of sending shinobi into battles where they would more than likely die? Or even make any of the personal sacrifices that previous Kages, even his own father, made in order to protect Konoha (as in Minato sacrificing Naruto's chance at a "normal" life by making him a Jinchuriki to stop Kurama's rampage and protecting Konoha)? Naruto has constantly shown to be someone who is unwilling to sacrifice anything/anyone but himself while Sasuke is the opposite - he'll sacrifice anything/anyone except himself. Neither way of thinking makes for a great Kage, or leader in general. They need to be able to negotiate, compromise, be able to see the bigger picture beyond just their own personal mindset, make hard decisions (sometimes very quickly), and so on.

Naruto nor Sasuke have shown to be capable, or even willing, to do such things beyond how they believe things should be and not what they were.

The manga answered that already; the second Naruto found out about the war he went to end it on his own, with his army of Shadow clones. Naruto isn't a person that can send a person off on a mission where they may die. Which is why by the end of the manga he was not ready to be hokage. Since he isn't a person who can make those tough choices, such as sending a person off on an assignment where they maybe killed. Hell in the gaiden he didn't even want Sasuke to investigate on his own and wanted to join him, and it was Sasuke that reminded him that he was the hokage so he had to stay in the village. The journey to become hokage was side tracked by the chase for Sasuke for part two, and after that the only thing that mattered was Naruto ending up with Hinata. Notice we never hear anything about during those intervening years Naruto being trained to become hokage. He just got it handed to him when Kakashi was ready to retire.


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 02 September 2017 - 11:39 AM.


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Posted 02 September 2017 - 09:21 AM

@Analyzer

Okay, I've read most of it. I'm too lazy and you write a lot, lmfao. Well, I'll first begin to say there are two principal points to discuss:

1. Does NH and SS make sense narrative-wise?

2. Did Kishimoto planned NH and SS from the beggining?

 

Those two points have nothing to do with each other, so they shouldn't be mixed up. Kishi could have planned any couple and execute it as poorly not to make sense. Agree on that?

 

1. I read of what you had to say about NH development. I agree on that there were not romantic development for any of the characters. But there was romantic implications from character A to B all over the manga. All of those times one-sided or what we know as paralelism (like when Sakura and what was the name of the red-head?  :headscratch: ran towards practically-dead Naruto and Sasuke respectively).

BUT I do not agree nor I see logic on your arguments over NH development meant to be a romantic one. All I see and that is a fact is that she, as you declared, isn't irrelevant. But that's actually all, there isn't anything special about their bond, to say, at much should be in the same line that Neji or Shikamaru (even when way more weight). Those two characters, just as Hinata, had their moments with only Naruto in intense situations. Were they also meant to be a possible romantic interest?  :headscratch: Hinata's relevance has always hang around making Naruto shine, as a lot of characters have fallen on at their respective moment. She's the typical kind-hearted shy girl that has a crush on the protagonist and will make sacrifices to get noticed. Of course there will be moments where Naruto should actually notice her (senpaaaai, kyaaaa  :eager:

 

So, my thought is this. If you actually think there is any romantic development for anyone, which I agree, where do you get that NH was meant, narrative-wise, to be end-game? To prove this, there should be something special about NH, which there really isn't. As how I say there is as much relevance than Neji or Shikamaru. 

 

On another note, you say NS belongs to fanon. I won't question your love for NS since it doesn't matter, we are talking about what makes sense, aren't we? NS bond development is heavier and as special as Naruto's and Sasuke, based on decision-making moments, those two bonds are over Neji's, Shikamaru's and Hinata's with Naruto, or can you prove me wrong? Even if we can agree that Naruto and Sasuke's bond is only mouth-to-mouth, story-wise its only existence has affected the entire plot all over the manga.

 

So, please, tell me, how does NH and SS make sense again? I read about what yousaid about SS. If Sakura didn't end up with Naruto it would half-make sense for her to end up with Sasuke, that is if she had not make any personality growth, which I thought he had, but at the end didn't.

 

2. As for this point...well, as I've said before I don't really care about this. Mostly because any affirmation about this doesn't have enough proof to support it so I think about it as a waste of time as a whole. We can still discuss about it, recognising the subjetivity involving it. Why do I say this? Well, it's pretty obvious, isn't it?  There are two options: He planned NH and SS as end-game or he didn't. His first affirmation regarding this topic was made after the ending. I do not recall exactly the moment he refered when doing it so you gotta pardon me. He said something close to "I thought about NH and SS being the end-game after The Confession." Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was from this time or I believe the begginingof the war? that he realized he wanted to do this. So, by his own words defending the pairings, it was not always planned. Also if I recall correctly he also talked about how he did thought on making NS canon up until he turned to NH & SS. Also, adding the very controversial lines: "Besides, Sakura would be much terrible of a woman if she moved on."

 

Since I left this site not so long after the movie was released, please enlight me on where he said NH and SS were end-game all along. Probably would an interview after the one I've mentioned. Which makes his affirmations contradictory, thus not a reliable source for stablishing what it is a fact or not.

 

Get what I mean when I say this topic in particular is not worth discussing? Kishimoto really contradicts himself all over his interviews so I only get tired, to be honest.

 

 

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To be honest if you look at all kishimoto's interviews -even the ones the pro enders accepted as true- he pretty much said he decided to make the pairing canon at every point in the series. I do not mean "all along" I mean: At the last Minute, Because of the Last, From Neji's death, Since the start of the war arc, since the Pein arc, Since halfway through part two, since the start of part two, since the end of part one, Since half way through part one, Since the chunin exams, and since the beginning. Are all points where he decided to drop NS and make nH the true pairing. So either he kept flipping back and forth or he is lying when it was decided and why.



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Posted 02 September 2017 - 09:47 AM

I really need to check this topic more often.

NS supporters were so confident in what was plainly being presented in the story that they were content waiting until the ending so they could say "Told you so." They had no reason to get desperate. Chapter 469 should've been a wake up call I guess.  :sweat:

Pretty much. The problem is that NS was the most logical pairing conclusion...other then SNS. That it makes no sense why Kishimoto would suddenly swing left and go for nH, since he gave it so little development by that point. Even to the point they constantly admitted nH did not being officially until the last.. Unless you know how crazy, determined, and fanatical nH fans got after Hinata's confession, and then Sakura's. They became even louder and more boisterous then before, and sadly they had ears around kishimoto that were supportive and willing to listen.


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 02 September 2017 - 10:38 PM.


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Posted 02 September 2017 - 10:08 AM

What's semanticaga?



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Posted 02 September 2017 - 10:37 AM

So now we are just copying Xenoverse huh? Just a joke.
I thought this game was gonna be some kind of MOBA, so I don't see the point of adding character creation if they wanted to do it, why not make an rpg(kingdom hearts style) where you play the story of naruto with your original character and can affect the course of things??? , That's the only way I see something from Naruto selling good at this point.

They saw the success of Xenoverse and wanted to copy it (like they copied Super and Z with Boruto)? From what I understand it eventually going to get a third game.



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Posted 02 September 2017 - 10:39 AM

It's thanks to stuff like this than now, when I watch Burrito the nexts retcons (It's a joke analyzer, chill) , I headcannon that Naruto and Sasuke are closet gay, in love with each other and only use Hinata and Sakura for hiding their own love since society will never accept them. (Hey, at least it makes more sense that 90% of the Last) Also explains why their marriages are a wreck.

You may have not been here but in the gaiden they had this secret tower that Naruto knows to go to if he wants to talk to Sasuke or Sasuke wants to talk with him.






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