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#45001 ThroughWithLove

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 12:28 AM

 

I didn't see any citations of cases, can you relist them?

 

I said this in the post before the last one:

 

>Naruto already faced grief and despair when he faced Dark Naruto and he faces it again when Madara rips the Kyuubi out of him.  Thus, nothing you've told us about the "hero's journey" justifies this scene being a necessity. It isn't. Neji's death is superfluous to the plot and laughably subverted throughout the war arc. 

 

 

 

And it's plot build up, by what I mean amp up, which is also increasing of stakes, a change of expectations. Things are happening, you're moving the hero to a realization, Obito pushes Narut ot a dark point, which is later reversed and paralleled. You're taking a lot of meat out. This isn't an issue out of personal taste, but you're taking an entire plot point out, then jumping to Sasuke

 

It's personal taste because everything you just mentioned relates and is in regards to Neji's death, which we're retconning, thus making your points moot. You like Neji's death and love NH. I get it and power to you. But as we see based on your inability to demonstrate how it's structurally integral to the plot, it's useless to the overall arc. Naruto already overcame his personal demons when he faced dark Naruto and defeated him with a hug. Naruto faced his own death later on in the arc and came back alive and kicking. This is a BLOATED arc filled to the brim with constant cases of increasing stakes and expectations,  so we're not missing much with the death of a side character starving for screen time. And if we're being honest with ourselves, any lesson Naruto got from Neji's death was a watered down version of what we got in the Pain arc, deus ex machina BS aside. So no, outside of pairing BS, it's worthless.

 

Of course, you're welcome to disagree, but unless you've got anything I haven't already addressed, even the maggots are getting tired of this dead horse. We'll see what you got to add in the next post. Otherwise, I'm moving on.  :yes:

 

 

 

That's why I said if someone showed me these two comparisons, all hands would point to Neji dying still in my editoral room.

 

 

And if someone showed me a draft of the entire story arc, all hands would point to that person getting fired and there'd be no War arc in the first place. :lmao:

 

 

 

So going to suggest this: You're cutting out some juicy meat. You may want to swap in something as juicy. Doesn't have to be a death, but you would definitely want to alter out an edit.

Also, perhaps write out how it would go. Could be fun.

 

I think the only thing equally juicy to you would be a 15 page random makeout session between Naruto and Hinata. :lmao:

 

Other than that, the whole arc is crap from floor to ceiling. There are tons of problems with this arc besides Neji's death, so I wouldn't be satisfied simply in replacing it. Instead, I'd ditch the whole arc as a bad idea all around and instead make the final arc more team 7 centric (which is the route this arc ended up taking anyway and for good reason). Of course, if I had my way, the Kage Summit Arc would be gone too. And that's just with the stuff I outright hate and despise. If I'm allowed to shoot for perfection, then I'd erase the entirety of part II and start fresh. :yes:


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 12:47 AM

Superman is boring. * Waits for Illnevergiveup's reply *
 
Goku is the protagonist in Dragon Ball.

 


lol, I sensed this post lightyears away. I'll let it slide though.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 01:47 AM

 

 

Elaborate.

 

 

Goku almost kitten his pants at the mere thought of facing a planet busting attack. Superman tanked a Supernova 50 times more powerful than a regular Supernova, while being weakened with Red Sun Energy. Enough said wifey.



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Posted 01 August 2017 - 01:52 AM

lol, I sensed this post lightyears away. I'll let it slide though.

Watch how I'm going to tear Superman apart in the coming posts :P
 

I'd Say Goku is the boring one

 Superman is a snore-fest. Watch him for 15 minutes and you'll doze off. Have at least 10 people watching and you'll get literally a snore-fest.
 

I know who he is :lmao: I was wondering if it was Goku the one who would won. Isn't he now kind of a god?

Goku would send Superman flying with a finger-flicking. KO'ed in half a minute.

 

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 02:02 AM

You know...I found an interesting contradiction in Kishimoto's Boruto manga. 
So we know Sasuke has been on this mission for 12 years, right? Here are a couple of facts:

>Naruto did not become Hokage until his kids were like, I dunno 5 or older? ScrewyouHimawart
>Salad and Burrito are the same age
>Sasuke was sent out on this mission when Naruto was Hokage


...So why doesn't Salad know him?  :headscratch: 
 


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 02:39 AM

Guys, Are we seriously keep up the back and forth with this Analyzer? 

In other news: Did anyone read about that poster that was released for Dragon Ball Super stating Goku's possible new transformation? 


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 02:54 AM

 

Goku almost kitten his pants at the mere thought of facing a planet busting attack. Superman tanked a Supernova 50 times more powerful than a regular Supernova, while being weakened with Red Sun Energy. Enough said wifey.

right even though he pushed back a planet busting attack of vegeta's in the saiyan saga and witthstood kamehamehas beyond that magnitude, only reason he was worried about kid buu's was he wanted to save everyone. he could easily dodge the attacks with ease, and since in the beerus fight he withstood punches strong enough to create shockwaves to destroy the universe and that was in the previous weaker god form, and not counting zenkai boosts or super saiyan blue kaiokenx10, yeah pretty sure that outclasses the super nova feat, only way you beat that is superman supposedly being limitless. and I've already proven superman 1 million to be fake and fanmade using the actual panels.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 02:58 AM

Guys, Are we seriously keep up the back and forth with this Analyzer? 

In other news: Did anyone read about that poster that was released for Dragon Ball Super stating Goku's possible new transformation? 

oh, you mean the completed super saiyan blue form that already debuted in the manga? yup yup, know about it already. can't wait for the anime version of it.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 03:14 AM

right even though he pushed back a planet busting attack of vegeta's in the saiyan saga and witthstood kamehamehas beyond that magnitude, only reason he was worried about kid buu's was he wanted to save everyone. he could easily dodge the attacks with ease, and since in the beerus fight he withstood punches strong enough to create shockwaves to destroy the universe and that was in the previous weaker god form, and not counting zenkai boosts or super saiyan blue kaiokenx10, yeah pretty sure that outclasses the super nova feat, only way you beat that is superman supposedly being limitless. and I've already proven superman 1 million to be fake and fanmade using the actual panels.

 

*sigh* The only canon Manga character that legitly nusted a planet in DBZ was Buu. Vegeta could not bust a planet and neither could Goku. Frieza only busted a planet by destroying the core. That's Manga canon facts.

 

Super Saiyan God Goku almost kitten his pants when he was about to face Beerus's planet busting attack. Vegeta died by one. Superman ate one.

 

The shockwaves created by Goku and Beerus was later said to be a fluke, and even when the earth was at the center of it, earth took no damage. Since then, those shockwaves never happened again.

 

They have done nothing to suggest that they could even destroy a Solar System, let alone a galaxy and a universe. Superman withstood  50 Supernovas combined. 50 exploding suns to the face while weakened by red sunlight energy. Goku's durability or power output doesn't come close to that.

 

Superman would rip him in half, and PIS off, no need to weaken Superman for the sake of the story. He is limitless. After being in the sun for 10 years, he became stronger to the point where Kryptonite didn't even affect him anymore.  He doesn't have to be Superman-Prime 1 Million for that. I don't even know how he came in this conversation.

 

Regular Superman sologodstomps the DBZverse. Let alone the other versions of Superman.


Edited by FutureHalfofFamer, 01 August 2017 - 03:33 AM.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 04:30 AM

You know...I found an interesting contradiction in Kishimoto's Boruto manga. 
So we know Sasuke has been on this mission for 12 years, right? Here are a couple of facts:

>Naruto did not become Hokage until his kids were like, I dunno 5 or older? ScrewyouHimawart
>Salad and Burrito are the same age
>Sasuke was sent out on this mission when Naruto was Hokage


...So why doesn't Salad know him?  :headscratch: 
 

 

Given how dysfunctional(aka disastrous) Sasuke's relationship is with Sakura,  honestly would not be surprised if he decided to maintain distance from her and Sarada after their one-night stand even before his self-imposed "mission".  Which makes him even more of a despicable prick and manipulative kitten by impregnating a woman with his child, then leaving all of the child-rearing and responsibility of maintaining a stable household to her while he's free to do whatever the hell he wants.

 

 Of course, given this *is* Kishimoto,  it is far more likely part of the increasing string of plotholes in the series and it will probably be up to SP  to "explain' this with another retcon.

But seriously, I can buy either one.


Edited by Kagomaru, 01 August 2017 - 02:43 PM.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 04:53 AM

Break time , bit of cheerleaders dancing to cool everyone off

 

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P.S : F sp for not including Ten ten , i always think Ten ten more attractive if she let her hair flow.

Speaking of Ten Ten, I'm so pissed that she never got to use the supposedly heavenly tools during the War Arc that were dropped right in front of her.  I still can't decide if Kishimoto actually forgot those existed after the chapter they were abruptly introduced in or if he was deliberately trolling us by making us think that Ten Ten was finally going to do something cool, only to deny us.

 

Either way,  just another character who never even began to explore her potential. 


Edited by Kagomaru, 01 August 2017 - 04:54 AM.

Light and Shadow are the only static creations of this universe. 


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 05:27 AM

She's not fan and kishi favorite nor did she has important role to begin with. She's doom to be irrelevant.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 05:36 AM

oh, you mean the completed super saiyan blue form that already debuted in the manga? yup yup, know about it already. can't wait for the anime version of it.

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I meant this.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 05:37 AM

 

*sigh* The only canon Manga character that legitly nusted a planet in DBZ was Buu. Vegeta could not bust a planet and neither could Goku. Frieza only busted a planet by destroying the core. That's Manga canon facts.

 

Super Saiyan God Goku almost kitten his pants when he was about to face Beerus's planet busting attack. Vegeta died by one. Superman ate one.

 

The shockwaves created by Goku and Beerus was later said to be a fluke, and even when the earth was at the center of it, earth took no damage. Since then, those shockwaves never happened again.

 

They have done nothing to suggest that they could even destroy a Solar System, let alone a galaxy and a universe. Superman withstood  50 Supernovas combined. 50 exploding suns to the face while weakened by red sunlight energy. Goku's durability or power output doesn't come close to that.

 

Superman would rip him in half, and PIS off, no need to weaken Superman for the sake of the story. He is limitless. After being in the sun for 10 years, he became stronger to the point where Kryptonite didn't even affect him anymore.  He doesn't have to be Superman-Prime 1 Million for that. I don't even know how he came in this conversation.

 

Regular Superman sologodstomps the DBZverse. Let alone the other versions of Superman.

Do you have scans or something for that Shockwave being a fluke statement?


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 06:36 AM

 

*sigh* The only canon Manga character that legitly nusted a planet in DBZ was Buu. Vegeta could not bust a planet and neither could Goku. Frieza only busted a planet by destroying the core. That's Manga canon facts.

 

Super Saiyan God Goku almost kitten his pants when he was about to face Beerus's planet busting attack. Vegeta died by one. Superman ate one.

 

The shockwaves created by Goku and Beerus was later said to be a fluke, and even when the earth was at the center of it, earth took no damage. Since then, those shockwaves never happened again.

 

They have done nothing to suggest that they could even destroy a Solar System, let alone a galaxy and a universe. Superman withstood  50 Supernovas combined. 50 exploding suns to the face while weakened by red sunlight energy. Goku's durability or power output doesn't come close to that.

 

Superman would rip him in half, and PIS off, no need to weaken Superman for the sake of the story. He is limitless. After being in the sun for 10 years, he became stronger to the point where Kryptonite didn't even affect him anymore.  He doesn't have to be Superman-Prime 1 Million for that. I don't even know how he came in this conversation.

 

Regular Superman sologodstomps the DBZverse. Let alone the other versions of Superman.

rewatch the saiyan saga then, the whole situation in the kaioken kamehameha galick gun beam struggle was stopping vegeta from blowing up the earth, heck the only reason frieza didn't blow up namek right away was because he didn't put enough power in it because he was afraid he'd blow himself up with his own move. but he had no problem blowing up planet vegeta in his weakest form. you need to brush up on dbz if you think that....

no the shockwaves were never said to be a fluke, goku and beerus better controlled their ki to stop the shockwaves, then beerus ended up stopping an attack that would have destroyed the universe, all while still not using his full power. also the being in the sun for 1000 years superman prime 1 million was fake, he's just a temporarily supercharged superman prime, do I need to show you the actual panels? everyone post namek saga is beyond planet busting level, even krillin, even yamcha.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 12:05 PM

Yeah that's the completed super saiyan blue form from the manga. Its super saiyan blue mastered to the point no ki is overflowing  and no aura and you can use the full power of super saiyan blue putting your full power into each attack. I guess it counts as the master grade of super saiyan blue like the different grades of super saiyan.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 12:13 PM

I'd Say Goku is the boring one

I miss those to better than dealing with analyzer.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 12:16 PM

I know who he is :lmao: I was wondering if it was Goku the one who would won. Isn't he now kind of a god?
 

Elaborate.

Poor Ten- Ten :'(

Nope goku lost both times to superman in death battle cause they said superman is as strong as he needs to be and has no limits and isn't good for vs matches.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 12:25 PM

Given how dysfunctional(aka disastrous) Sasuke's relationship is with Sakura, I'm honestly would not be surprised if he decided to maintain from her and Sarada after their one-night stand even before his self-imposed "mission".  Which makes him even more of a despicable prick and manipulative kitten by impregnating a woman with his child, then leaving all of the child-rearing and responsibility of maintaining a stable household to her while he's free to do whatever the hell he wants.
Wow that makes sense and is makes him worse than before with Sakura. kitten sasuke just kitten him and kishi and the asskittens of sp.
 
 Of course, given this *is* Kishimoto, so it is far more likely part of the increasing string of plotholes in the series and it will probably be up to SP  to "explain' this with another retcon.
But seriously, I can buy either one.

  

Speaking of Ten Ten, I'm so pissed that she never got to use the supposedly heavenly tools during the War Arc that were dropped right in front of her.  I still can't decide if Kishimoto actually forgot those existed after the chapter they were abruptly introduced in or if he was deliberately trolling us by making us think that Ten Ten was finally going to do something cool, only to deny us.
 
Either way,  just another character who never even began to explore her potential.

I say he forgot since this is the guy who forgot to give naruto's hell spawns their mom's eye powers in the final but put it in after the ending.
All the side characters got the shaft at the end of naruto which is sad I find tenten more interesting than hinata then again anyone or thing is more interesting than hinata like that rock she tripped over In the war when Naruto was dying and she pathetically asked neji to save him.

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 01:12 PM

Well I think by now everyone knows Analyzer speaks nothing but BS. :zaru:


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