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[Derock]

Yep.
Even when they become canon, that doesn't mean they'll right off the bat become intimate and have a baby, plus Naruto is a pervert but he'd probably be to nervour or whatever and who knows? Maybe the Kyuubi has affected his *cough* ba-s *cough* in a way so he couldn't have babies (highly doubt it though)

That doesn't mean anything. I remember one of our members talked about a very intimate scene of a canon couple from another manga and that manga was Shaman King. Nothing graphic but it was heavily implied and it was a shonen manga.

[narukunsakuchan]

That doesn't mean anything. I remember one of our members talked about a very intimate scene of a canon couple from another manga and that manga was Shaman King. Nothing graphic but it was heavily implied and it was a shonen manga.

lol I guess it all comes down to how the manga plays out.

Personally I want to get to the end of the manga so I can see what happens at the end, yet at the same time i dont because I will be sad when it is all over with. Anyone else feel the same way?

[ciardha]

been reading In your eyes have we Ciardha? =>_o=

No, in my own fanfic "Rain or Shine": Saori is a tomboyish daughter of Naruto and Sakura who wants to be Hokage like her father (Her hair is dominantly a darker pink than her mothers and she has her father's blue eyes), and Haruki is a budding lady charmer, but he's drawn to diplomacy- actually a skill that both his parents have, with somewhat different approaches (he has his paternal grandmother's red hair and his mother's shade of green eyes). Their third child, another daughter- Ayane, because she's lived in even more peaceful times than her older siblings and her personality- she has a high level of compassion, is quite adverse to fighting, but she's the one who has the ability to make the toad contract, and is also drawn to medical ninjutsu and is the most intelligent of the three. (Ayane has strawberry blonde hair and turquoise eyes.) She has a personality somewhat like the softer side of her mother's personality but she has a natural bubbly side when she's happy, somewhat like Naruto sometimes had in part 1. (it's less overly exuberant than Naruto's though

[ShippudenGirl]

That doesn't mean anything. I remember one of our members talked about a very intimate scene of a canon couple from another manga and that manga was Shaman King. Nothing graphic but it was heavily implied and it was a shonen manga.

I don't mean because it's a Shonen Manga, I mean that there literally not just gonna become canon then have babies, talk about rushing things xD

@ciardha

Why does most fanfic have them have so many daughters xD lmao. As a Shonen Manga I'm pretty sure Kishimoto would make it a boy. Like I did in my fic but it's way to long to post online lol, almost 200pgs and he's still a baby (though he was born in the 150pgs range) xP

Anyways!
... Anything new? Anything!

Edited by ShippudenGirl, 14 March 2010 - 05:04 AM.

[narukunsakuchan]

I don't mean because it's a Shonen Manga, I mean that there literally not just gonna become canon then have babies, talk about rushing things xD

@ciardha

Why does most fanfic have them have so many daughters xD lmao. As a Shonen Manga I'm pretty sure Kishimoto would make it a boy. Like I did in my fic but it's way to long to post online lol, almost 200pgs and he's still a baby (though he was born in the 150pgs range) xP

Anyways!
... Anything new? Anything!

If kishi gives them children I imagine that it would be a boy and a girl just to cover the bases and one will be more like sakura and one will be like naruto.

Also I believe if Naruto is supposed to end with fulfilling your dreams then there are a few things that will have to happen for his dreams to all come true.

-He will have to redeem Sasuke

-Sakura will be together with him

-He will be Hokage

-HE WILL HAVE A FAMILY

Note, this last one has not been stated explicitly in the manga to my knowledge, but it has been implied greatly throughout the story.

And to answer your question, most fanfics have him with a daughter because when you think of him he would be having a daddys girl. If she were like him it would make it even more interesting which is why some fanfics go with it. Where as if fanfics made a boy it can be harder because they don't want the personality to be exactly the same in some senses, because it can be seen as making a mini naruto.

[pharix]

I love the nonsense about Hinata "deserving" Naruto like he's some kind of prize.

[ShippudenGirl]

I love the nonsense about Hinata "deserving" Naruto like he's some kind of prize.

YaY!
New topic thankfully!

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They find Naruto as a "prize" because, as Kishimoto said everyones like "Hinata.. Hinata, Hinata" like there Queen and the Queen gets what she wants.

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P.S
(In my fic he isn't like a mini Naruto, he's like a bipolar mix, lol xD)

[narukunsakuchan]

I love the nonsense about Hinata "deserving" Naruto like he's some kind of prize.

Yeah, and that is one of the reasons I hate NH or rather NH fans logic but not going to go into that.

Now I can see the reasoning behind wanting Hinata to be with Naruto

-Hinata had a crush on him since the beginning
-Hinata was nice to him during the chuunin exams
-Naruto defended Hinata from Neji
-Hinata confessed to Naruto
-Naruto went and lost control of Kyuubi when she "died"

Those are the main focal points I believe the NH have to go off of to say that NH=LUVS

Logically throughout the manga it just does not make sense because:

-She barely talks to Naruto,
-Little to no interaction other than fainting when he is near her
-Naruto still loves Sakura, meaning if he were to go to Hinata at anypoint she would technically be his "second best" and she doesn't deserve that as that is not how love works
-He knows that she loves him, but nothing has been said about it even though if something were to happen with it it should have happened after the fight with pein.

basically there just isn't enough material to work with to make her a love interest.


Now lets take a second and pretend that they actually did get together as the characters are right now.

-If he ever said anything to her she would be "yes Naruto-kun" all the time unfortunately. This has no flow to it, no balance.
-she is held back as a character

Now wait a minute, how is she held back as a character? She gets the one she loves right?
Unfortunately this argument is false because of a point I made earlier. She is an extremely submissive girl. So like I said earlier this would inhibit her growth because she can grow from Naruto's confidence, but if she would become a love interest for him it would destroy her character because she would never put him in his place if he were in the wrong. Not healthy relationship material

Final synopsis: NH is not a healthy relationship logically no matter what NH's say

While I am ranting might as do the flipside as well.

Ok what makes people believe that SS could happen:

-Sakura was in love with Sasuke at the beginning of the manga
-Sakura has tried to help Sasuke time and time again in part 1
-Sasuke had brief moments of praise for sakura like right before the chuunin exams
-Sasuke said thank you before he left konoha
-Sakura still refers to Sasuke by Sasuke-kun
-Sakura couldn't kill Sasuke when she had the chance
-When Sasuke is redeemed he will be loving and will go to Sakura because she was always waiting for him.

Now this pairing I have fun with tearing down because of its structure. Sakura liked Sasuke because of his exterior aspects, looks, ability, etc. He is alot like that most popular guy in school all the girls have a crush on. This is how his character was originally set up so he could be a goal for Naruto to obtain.

Again logically this pairing doesn't make sense if you look at it from an un biased view because:

-Sasuke never had feelings towards sakura, for him to display romantic intentions of anykind to any sort of female would be completely OOC for him.
-Sakura getting together with Sasuke at this point in the manga would completely destroy her character.
-Sakura wants to save Sasuke more for Naruto now than herself, everything that involves Sasuke now is specifically for Naruto, meaning that while she sees him as a friend her feelings for him are all but gone.
-Sasuke has tried to kill Sakura plenty of times now, and has shown no regret doing so. In fact, he even tried to kill her before she even could show an intention to kill him.

Now these are just the most basic points I am hitting on so I will go over the more important ones.

How would Sakura getting together destroy her character?

Well as you can read through the manga sakura was basically two diffrent people, note that I am not talking about inner sakura here per say although she can tie into it. She was always one person with sasuke around and one when he wasn't around. The one with sasuke around was basically her "fake" person trying to impress him and do what she could to attract his attention and then she was someone completely diffrent when he wasn't around. As sasuke left her she was given the chance to grow as a person and now the "fake" sakura is all but gone. What this means is that without Sasuke around Sakura can actually be herself and if he were there that would destroy the Character that Sakura has become.

Now again lets imagine if the characters were to actually get together if Sasuke came back. Say she reverted in personality to love Sasuke how she used to he would be utterly incapable of loving her back with how obsessed he is about his clan. He is screwed up for others as his love is only for his clan. If those two were to get together she ultimately would end up unhappy in the relationship as he would only use her to bring about uchiha heirs. That is just how his personality is he only wants someone if they are useful to him.

Ultimately this means that this pairing is a very unhealthy relationship and a fate sakura does not deserve.

I will post my thoughts on Narusaku later lol tell me what you guys think of this first off though

[catsi563]

That is just how his personality is he only wants someone if they are useful to him.

not even then. Thgink how useful Karin was to him, and how much closer she trully was to the real Sasuke. And look how he discarded her.

as to SasuSaku and NaruHinas healthiness as relationships both are very unhealthy. mainly because in both relationships they fail to give room or ability for one or both characters to grow and improve.

in NHs case Naruto would not grow from his interactions with hinata she simply does not have the type of personality that would push him to grow, or as in Sakuras case smack some sense into him when he runs rampant.

In SSs case Sakura is the one who would fail to grow, as she would not have made the leaps in character she did if he was with her in part 1, and in part 2 she would not be able to sustain the growth shes had since then.

needless to say both relationships fail to grow, and fail to add anything substantive to any of the characters involved.

NaruSaku is a relationship based on mutual growth and and trust as well as a soldi foudnation of equality. Neither puts the other one down, and instead both build the other up. they provide inspiration for each other, and more importantly provide a fall back or cushion for when the other fails.

they are a healthy relationship based on that ability to support each others and to cause each other to grow and change for the better.

No, in my own fanfic "Rain or Shine": Saori is a tomboyish daughter of Naruto and Sakura who wants to be Hokage like her father (Her hair is dominantly a darker pink than her mothers and she has her father's blue eyes), and Haruki is a budding lady charmer, but he's drawn to diplomacy- actually a skill that both his parents have, with somewhat different approaches (he has his paternal grandmother's red hair and his mother's shade of green eyes). Their third child, another daughter- Ayane, because she's lived in even more peaceful times than her older siblings and her personality- she has a high level of compassion, is quite adverse to fighting, but she's the one who has the ability to make the toad contract, and is also drawn to medical ninjutsu and is the most intelligent of the three. (Ayane has strawberry blonde hair and turquoise eyes.) She has a personality somewhat like the softer side of her mother's personality but she has a natural bubbly side when she's happy, somewhat like Naruto sometimes had in part 1. (it's less overly exuberant than Naruto's though

hehe i know =^__^= was jsut teasin.

we do share some similar thoughts though about how they turn out though. In in your eyes, Hana is the oldest shes a tall wild orange haired firecracker and tomboy, whos the physical one fo the three, Minato is the spitting image of his grandfather except that his blond hair is straight and smooth. hes the bookworm of the two and yes he too is quite popular with the ladies, for his intellectual cool and his good looks. Little baby Ken is the youngest his bright pink hairs darkening to kushinas red and his biright blue eyes shine with a remarkabel intelligence. little baby ken is a remarkable child that will trully be a prodigy to end all prodigies.

Edited by catsi563, 14 March 2010 - 07:42 AM.

[narsak@fan]

Wow, I’ve read some very powerful narusaku arguments. I really enjoyed it. I’m not a hardcore fan, but I do love narusaku as a pair. I respect naruhina and sasusaku, fans being fans. I say let them be. As long they buy original, I count them friends. ^^. It’s just in all the years of Naruto series, its tough imagining other than narusaku. Let me put my thoughts in simple laymen terms.

-narusaku = yellow and pink = sunflower and cherry blossoms = beautiful field of flowers.

-narusaku = cerulean blue and emerald green – a peaceful teal

-narusaku= sunny and cute = laugh and joy = fun and games

-narusaku = dattebayo and shannaroo = a chuckle.

-narusaku = the faith and the understanding = a nice sigh.

-narusaku = a pervert and pervert hater = perfect opposite = hot moments

-narusaku = have experienced and known love = a time bomb…so close…so close

It’s just what I feel ya know. Can’t really explained it.

[catsi563]

-narusaku = a pervert and pervert hater = perfect opposite = hot moments

aahh actually thats a pervert and a closet pervert.

[Gravenimage]

I love the nonsense about Hinata "deserving" Naruto like he's some kind of prize.

It's the same thing with Sasuke that he deserves Sakura like she was a prize. They believe because Sasuke claims in the first chapters that he wants to revive his clan that he's going to use Sakura to give him Uchiha babies like she was the only woman in the world. It seems chapter 485 hearing Sasuke's new goal has apparently shut their mouth now. I guess it's Kishi's way of killing S/S for good with 483 and 484. 485 killed off the pairing for good, I just simply don't know how will Kishi revive the pairing now, that is if he's planning to revive it.

Edited by Gravenimage, 14 March 2010 - 11:26 AM.

[ShippudenGirl]

@narsak@fan

That's soooo sweet
but... Sakura is actually a yaoi pervert remember *cough* Boy on boy *cough* he-he *wipes nosebleed*

[Gravenimage]

urgh glad that wasent in the show

Still I would have wanted to see Sakura's perverted expression in the anime along with the nosebleed, and then she was denying that she wasn't into any of that.

[ShippudenGirl]

Because they make her character awfully prude.

[ciardha]

If kishi gives them children I imagine that it would be a boy and a girl just to cover the bases and one will be more like sakura and one will be like naruto.


And to answer your question, most fanfics have him with a daughter because when you think of him he would be having a daddys girl. If she were like him it would make it even more interesting which is why some fanfics go with it. Where as if fanfics made a boy it can be harder because they don't want the personality to be exactly the same in some senses, because it can be seen as making a mini naruto.

Exactly. The daughter having more characteristics of her father, while the son has more characteristics of the mother but masculine form.

I also chose having the daughter being the oldest because in Japanese culture it's long been seen as a positive if you have a daughter first, then a son. Kishimoto did have it be more positive than having only two brothers, compare Temari and her brothers relationship, Hana and Kiba's relationship, Tsunade and Nawaki's relationship, to the Rikudo Sennin's sons, Madara and Izuna, Hiashi and Hizashi, Itachi and Sasuke.

Only the Senju brothers Hashirama and Tobirama escaped the destructive rivalry that seems to be the dominant fate of having just two sons. Even having a daughter born before the two sons seems to forestall that likely fate, in Naruto's world- as witness Temari.

You see this in other manga as well, especially shonen manga. Also, common in both shonen and shoujo manga- if the brother is the oldest the sister tends to be somewhat emotionally dependent on her brother. Where if she's the oldest she tends to be strong and self reliant but protective of her brother(s). The brother doesn't tend to be emotionally dependent on his older sister but has a positive bond with her.

[narukunsakuchan]

Exactly. The daughter having more characteristics of her father, while the son has more characteristics of the mother but masculine form.

I also chose having the daughter being the oldest because in Japanese culture it's long been seen as a positive if you have a daughter first, then a son. Kishimoto did have it be more positive than having only two brothers, compare Temari and her brothers relationship, Hana and Kiba's relationship, Tsunade and Nawaki's relationship, to the Rikudo Sennin's sons, Madara and Izuna, Hiashi and Hizashi, Itachi and Sasuke.

Only the Senju brothers Hashirama and Tobirama escaped the destructive rivalry that seems to be the dominant fate of having just two sons. Even having a daughter born before the two sons seems to forestall that likely fate, in Naruto's world- as witness Temari.

You see this in other manga as well, especially shonen manga. Also, common in both shonen and shoujo manga- if the brother is the oldest the sister tends to be somewhat emotionally dependent on her brother. Where if she's the oldest she tends to be strong and self reliant but protective of her brother(s). The brother doesn't tend to be emotionally dependent on his older sister but has a positive bond with her.

This is very true, Besides I would love seeing naruto having a hyperactive little girl, I think it would be cute personally, Then having a younger brother, but all this talk is borderline fanfiction. If they are meant to have a family it will only be shown in the last chapter.