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[Shashank95]

It's pathetic how you compared someone leaving the forum after debating your crazy statements to a race issue. Seriously? Are you that ignorant that you compare a person leaving here because they couldn't take you shoving your kittening opinion in every page to some people leaving a dinner table because a person from a different race sat down with them?

Are you that shallow and ignorant?

[Shashank95]

You watch Narutos growth with a rose-tainded glass, and u are not able to critize his bad characterwriting. You are not even able to accept criticism over his Character.

Just because u are a writier doesnt mean u are also in the right.. whats your point anyways with this ? You dont even try to value your arguments with reasonable points, and just tell things and act like those are 'facts' because you are a writer? 

She can't even back up her statements with manga panels. I think it's best to ignore her. She's proven that she is neither a NS fan nor a logical Naruto fan since all she does is call people's opinion that don't conform with her narrow vision, ignorant or shallow. Best we just ignore her and hope she goes away on her own.

[Riverkid]

 

Yes.

 

Being serious, here's the thing, your statement -is- false, Naruto literally grows from a 12  year old bow to Hokage. He goes from not acknowledged to acknowledged, learns teamwork, about love and friendship, about the pain to others, about the cost of peace, of war. 

 

Naruto did not fully understand Sasuke until later. In a sense, the Pain Arc was a necessity for him to get closer to this. 

Naruto doesnt grow from a 12 year old kid to a hokage in the 'plot'. You are only talking about hidden development during the timeskip when he all of sudden aged to an adult with a calm and reasoned mind.. ye, all of sudden he was ready to become hokage. But was that with a development? no.. there is nothing which affected Naruto to be not overheated, nothing which affected him to improve his decisionmaking during the manga..

What does it change if he 'fully' understands sasuke ? he was never going to give up on him anyways.. it didnt affected him, It maybe just raised his drive to rescure him even more.. but thats it.

[Riverkid]

i give up, no point

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

We understand that u never referred to Narutos body-size nor his Powerscaling, but there isn't development outside of that.

Narutos understanding towards Sasuke was already clear at the end of Part-1, and it was clear at the beginning of Part-2 where he stated that he want to 'rescue' Sasuke from his darkness/seeking revenge etc.. no matter what happens between them.

'to understand what it meant to be Hokage' ?  I hope u are kidding me

 - I recall Part-1 when they tried to rescue Sasuke from Orochimaru: Neji, Naruto and Choji both got hurt pretty badly (nearly to death) [Neji should have died there btw]

- I recall Part-2 when they tried to chase him in the Orochimaru Hide-out, where Yamato was hurt for saving Sakura before being killed

- I recall when they fought Orochimaru to get Sasuke, where Naruto went 4 Tails and Sakura being hurt

- I recall when Asuma and Jiraiya died while Naruto was busy chasing Sasuke instead of taking care of his Kyubi-Control and Akatsuki

- I recall when Naruto went 'again' for Sasuke after he defeated Pain and left the village as the state of being utterly destroyed

Thats a 'Hokage' for you? His friends and comrades die/being hurt left and right for taking care a big threaht (akatsuki) while Naruto only has one goal "chasing sasuke, and bring him back".
How can u even defend that ?

There was maybe one little hope of Development in Sakura, where she almost decided to give up on Sasuke and to kill him for the sake of her friends and Naruto... That would have been a 'positive' development because Sakura should know that Naruto is heading towards the wrong way to become a 'good' hokage by chasing Sasuke. She was trained by Tsunade, who was a hokage herself, so she should have the understanding of how a 'Hokage' should act and decide.. and is she helping Naruto with that? almost... she failed.. and neglects her development. Even Jiraiya told Naruto that Sasuke would be a unhealthy deflection towards his main goal becoming Hokage.. and he was damn right with that.

All of narutos decisions weren't Hokage-worthy.. he is lucky for being the protagonist to gain power from all sources to defeat every opponent.. but power and strengh isn't making someone a good hokage.

You should read/watch some development outside of the Naruto show.. then u can maybe understand what real characterdevelopment ist. You overvalue some of his understandings and his decision. Just because Naruto is saying "To become a good Hokage i HAVE to save Sasuke" doesnt mean thats the right way.. it only tells that Naruto bascially learned nothing outside of gaining more Power, and stays as a little child. The only real development he got is during Timeskips between Part-1 and Part-2... and between Part 2 and Boruto

And what's something I kept bringing up - the only things that made Naruto and Sasuke Hokage-level were sheer brute power, but mentally and emotionally, they were far from prepared for the position and still are. Brute power, even when coupled with supposedly noble thinking and charisma, doesn't automatically make a good Kage. Even Ay, while he initially appeared to be a purely emotional and brute power type, showed that he still had intelligence, political savvy, and other things that shows why he was a Kage. Even Gaara showed that despite his age, he also had a far greater and far more matured mentality from his experiences that showed why he was made Kazekage..

Naruto and Sasuke have constantly shown to be too emotionally impulsive, they pretty easily get tunnel vision when it came to certain topics, they think only their way is the right way and everyone else should be changed (Naruto) or killed (Sasuke), and so on.

I mean, can you imagine if, for whatever reason, a Fifth Great Shinobi War broke out while Naruto was Hokage? Does anyone honestly believe the present Naruto would be able to make the extremely difficult decision of sending shinobi into battles where they would more than likely die? Or even make any of the personal sacrifices that previous Kages, even his own father, made in order to protect Konoha (as in Minato sacrificing Naruto's chance at a "normal" life by making him a Jinchuriki to stop Kurama's rampage and protecting Konoha)? Naruto has constantly shown to be someone who is unwilling to sacrifice anything/anyone but himself while Sasuke is the opposite - he'll sacrifice anything/anyone except himself. Neither way of thinking makes for a great Kage, or leader in general. They need to be able to negotiate, compromise, be able to see the bigger picture beyond just their own personal mindset, make hard decisions (sometimes very quickly), and so on.

Naruto nor Sasuke have shown to be capable, or even willing, to do such things beyond how they believe things should be and not what they were.

[Riverkid]

 

This argument has one huge problem: Naruto is Hokage, the nations are allied, they work in tangent fine against the foes they've faced together (Movie here). This is also why Kishimoto chose for Naruto not to become Hokage right away. He had the acknowledgement however to do so, one of the bigger important points of it all. I'm not sure if self-sacrifice should be criticized either as a trait.

 

The Manga addresses why Sasuke cannot be Hokage, and it is that acknowledgement issue. . 

thats your problem.. you support everything what happens in the show, no matter what. "Naruto is the hokage? well, then that means he had a great development towards becoming a good hokage".. even if its not true.

Even if Choji would be the next hokage, you would support that because it would have been kishimotos decision.. so it has to be a good decision.

The argumentation doesn't have a problem.. its based on clear facts and situation which happened 'in the manga'. Where Naruto showed multiple times that he is not learing from his mistakes at all.

He completly wasted his time looking for sasuke in the orochimaru hide-out, they failed the mission.. and what is naruto saying? "Dont worry, we will bring him back next time".. in the meantime akatsuki is growing and killing one jinchuriki after another.

Naruto chased Sasuke until the Kage-summit, failed to bring him back.. sakura nearly got killed.. what is naruto saying ? "Dont worry, we will be stronger next time so we can bring him back".. despite asuma and jiraiya already died to akatsuki.

Jiraiya prepared Naruto in the timeskip to become stronger, so he can protect himself against akatsuki.. and he completly neglects all his training just to chase sasuke.. he ignores akatsuki taking all the jinchurikis. He doesnt even come with the idea to meet the other jinchurikis... it buffles me that the raikage was the first one ever to come with the idea to protect both jinchurikis while they practice together to control the power. 

Naruto would have been the dumbest hokage ever, but kishimoto saved his day to 'gift' him some experience and intelligence during the timeskips.. like he ist gifting bonus-power to naruto and sasuke all the time during the last arc

 

[ThroughWithLove]

Naruto chased Sasuke until the Kage-summit, failed to bring him back.. sakura nearly got killed.. what is naruto saying ? "Dont worry, we will be stronger next time so we can bring him back".. despite asuma and jiraiya already died to akatsuki.
 

 

I've stressed this before, but this scene greatly irritated me. But not just for the reasons you cited, but that Naruto spouts off this nonsense about being happy to die with Sasuke despite having promised to bring him back and become Hokage. Even worse is that Sakura appears to have ZERO problem with this. Kakashi voices a brief objection, but even he gives in. Honestly, it is arguably the worst scene in the entire manga.

[The Doctor forever]

Good grief...guess I'll come back sometime later when they're finally gone then so I don't have a brain overload,then xD feel free to message me,when she finally leaves xD

It may not happen Evil100 said he is setting something up on a fanfiction forum that we can all go to, hell I may go there its the only way we can say what is right and wrong, I mean just because a writer does something does not mean its right many writers had said they have messed up.

 

She has not even watched Dragonball so not sure if she has seen other shows like Braking Bad, the Walking dead, LOST Metal gear solid and so on all of which I have seen and watched and has something Naruto lacks growth.

 

Nice work I agree on everything you said. Sad a great guy like evil100 is gone for now, funny he told me about in a private message on fanfiction, are you a NS fan or a reasonable nh Fans that hates the ending, justb asking. Dragon Ball super probably just got more popular with rp what happensin episode 100 with kale going nuts.

Yeah its sad Evil100 said to me he may never come back now on this sight now.

 

As for the other thing you asked I am 100% and NS fan.

 

It's pathetic how you compared someone leaving the forum after debating your crazy statements to a race issue. Seriously? Are you that ignorant that you compare a person leaving here because they couldn't take you shoving your kittening opinion in every page to some people leaving a dinner table because a person from a different race sat down with them?

Are you that shallow and ignorant?

I agree I am very good friends with him as well love the stories he makes as unlike Kishi he shows Sakura the love she should have got, and its true he told me the reason he left was because he could no longer take her shoving her kittening opinion in every page, now everyone is allowed their own opinion but by keep shoving it in our faces well I can see why Evil100 left he just got sick of it and wanted to be the bigger man and walk away.

 

I mean something that is going on in the back of my mind is why is she on 'NOW' when Naruto ended 3 years ago and we have since then said how bad Naruto is that the ending sucked and everything else like the Boruto film and anime/Manga suck. Now I am not sure if its doing well or not right now last I looked it was doing bad, I think she is here to make us all like and watch Boruto so that it can keep going, or she would have shown up in 2015 when we were all still made about the ending, or 2016.

 

who knows why she has picked now maybe its because Boruto is doing bad right now, hell I think she said she loves Boruto cause she knows what its like to be in his shoes, who knows but I have seen so many say why the pairings don't work I have even said why my own teacher who knows what is good and bad story telling after all that is a teachers job, and I think she said that my own teacher and what he told me was wrong.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

 

This argument has one huge problem: Naruto is Hokage, the nations are allied, they work in tangent fine against the foes they've faced together (Movie here). This is also why Kishimoto chose for Naruto not to become Hokage right away. He had the acknowledgement however to do so, one of the bigger important points of it all. I'm not sure if self-sacrifice should be criticized either as a trait.

 

The Manga addresses why Sasuke cannot be Hokage, and it is that acknowledgement issue. . 

 

 

 

First statement is incorrect. Not only have I voiced my opinion on things not done so well, I've even  agreed things with other points on it. The thing, their statements are accurate and can stand on something. Second line is similar, a false assumption. Choji would make no sense as a jump to Hokage, and of course, it didn't happen. 

 

Meanwhile, the Akatsuki are losing members as they are defeated. Oh, Naruto starts trying to take on everything, Itachi points out his mistake, Naruto keeps it in mind. Learning experience! Points earned. And this is one of many. 

 

The rest starts to simmer into bashing. But I will say this, that the one time he was "gifted" power, through the Sage of Six Paths was underwhelming, and will agree. This by the way, further disproves point one. 

 

In other words, your arguments aren't very strong here. 

1.) Acknowledgement also does not automatically mean Naruto would make a GOOD Hokage. That's the big issue here. As I said, Naruto needed much more if he was intended to be a good Hokage and he clearly did not show to have gotten it, and if he did, it was very poorly executed since we're neither shown nor told that he did. We're never shown him being shown the ropes by Tsunade nor Kakashi at any point, The most he ever got was Hiruzen's interpretation on "what being Hokage meant" when he was a small child, but that wasn't "training"; just Hiruzen's own personal ideal.

2.) Self-sacrifice in general is not necessarily a bad thing, but it is also usually something of last resort and usually has a plan should it ever come down to happening, especially for the leader of an entire nation. Naruto clearly does not think in regards to the bigger picture with that thought process on self-sacrifice, like how would his friends and family feel? How would Konoha hold itself together with the sudden loss of its leader like that? What would happen with the Shinobi Alliance? How can there be any guarantee that the next leader chosen after his death would follow in his footsteps and not turn into someone like Orochimaru, Danzo, etc.?

Unfortunately, this is a huge problem when it comes to dictatorships, where most, if not all the power is in the hands of a single leader rather than spread out among different branches and with a chain of command. Like in the US, if the President dies (or is at least incapacitated), the Vice President takes control as President, and it goes down the chain of command from there. But as Naruto showed, if a Kage dies, then there's no one around to immediately take over and hold things together, so if Naruto goes running off to try to handle things himself and ends up dying, he's only making things harder for everyone around him (and especially so if that self-sacrifice doesn't actually win the day), and that's not something to be praised.


3.) The execution of Kurama's chakra was a huge problem in terms of "handed" power. Throughout the entire series, it has been nothing but a crutch for Naruto to be used to bail him out of battles where he would otherwise have lost, or been crippled or killed. Even Jiraiya's "training" was all about having Naruto learn to use more of it despite the fact that Akatsuki was a group whose purpose it was capture the Biju / Jinchuriki and its members were all S rank, Kage level shinobi whose teams and abilities were meant to counter them. It looked like Naruto might actually get better after the four-tailed incident on the bridge (Naruto declaring he would get stronger with his own power rather than rely on Kurama's chakra, leading to basic elemental training), but then you had it "saving him" again against Pein, then relying on it more than ever throughout the War Arc, but Kurama's magical 180 in attitude after one Talk no Jutsu after generations of entrenched hatred towards humanity was one of the worst things, right alongside Hagoromo's handing of power to Naruto (and Sasuke), especially given the convenient timing of when it happened when fighting Obito.

[Yyubie]

3.) The execution of Kurama's chakra was a huge problem in terms of "handed" power. Throughout the entire series, it has been nothing but a crutch for Naruto to be used to bail him out of battles where he would otherwise have lost, or been crippled or killed. Even Jiraiya's "training" was all about having Naruto learn to use more of it despite the fact that Akatsuki was a group whose purpose it was capture the Biju / Jinchuriki and its members were all S rank, Kage level shinobi whose teams and abilities were meant to counter them. It looked like Naruto might actually get better after the four-tailed incident on the bridge (Naruto declaring he would get stronger with his own power rather than rely on Kurama's chakra, leading to basic elemental training), but then you had it "saving him" again against Pein, then relying on it more than ever throughout the War Arc, but Kurama's magical 180 in attitude after one Talk no Jutsu after generations of entrenched hatred towards humanity was one of the worst things, right alongside Hagoromo's handing of power to Naruto (and Sasuke), especially given the convenient timing of when it happened when fighting Obito.

Once again just like how Kakashi mention that Sakura is always a genjutsu type (empty foreshadowing). In the end all he can do is rasengan and shadow clone .... how sad. Kakashi is kitten teacher he plays favorite on sasuke , i mean he is known as a copy ninja , he knows tons of jutsu from many elements but refuse to teach it ....

[The Doctor forever]

 

Watched Lost  before, not a bad show...but all of these aren't Anime, except Dragonball? Very different mediums here, and still, Naruto -does- have character growth.

 

I also am 100% an NS Fan, though this is more of a 100% or 0% sort of thing.

 

No, I'm not here to do any of that, to make you do anything. You have your free will, do what you want with it.

 

Your teacher by your own quote, didn't say what you are asserting?

No Naruto does not this is what you keep failing to see again again and again as many have said why Naruto never grows up in many other shows and Mediums characters grow for the better again look at Buffy she killed Angel cause she knew she had to or the whole world would be dragged into hell, Buffy killed him hell she made a chose to do so before she even knew his soul could be brought back.

 

Naruto just screms Sasuke name over and over and has a fit when someone says they will kill him he crys in the snow, as TFS Frieza would say.

 

 

Nope sorry I brought in the manga I had and showed him all of them he looked at all the hints page by page looked at all the characters how the grew the time the had on a page how they acted what they even did. So he knows what he is talking about when he says Sasuke should have died for his actions, that Naruto and Sakura should have ended up together that Naruto should have grown up and got over Sasuke.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Once again just like how Kakashi mention that Sakura is always a genjutsu type (empty foreshadowing). In the end all he can do is rasengan and shadow clone .... how sad. Kakashi is kitten teacher he plays favorite on sasuke , i mean he is known as a copy ninja , he knows tons of jutsu from many elements but refuse to teach it ....

Unfortunately, part of this stems from the fact that, as is a constant theme in Naruto, he was unable to truly let go of the past due to his guilt over it. As a result of that, Kakashi simply kept overlapping the current Team Seven with his own past team, as if they were the exact same types of people when the similarities were only basic and that they were very different otherwise. So Kakashi kept seeing them as Obito (Naruto), Rin (Sakura), and himself (Sasuke), and so possibly felt that if he could "get over" bad things that happened to him on his own, then Sasuke should be able to just as easily, all while completely ignoring the enormous differences in their circumstances;

- Sakumo committed suicide. Fugaku was murdered by Itachi.

- Sakumo was, as far as we know, the only one to die. Sasuke lost his entire clan.

- Minato nobly sacrificed himself (and his son's "life") for the protection of Konoha and its people while he himself was still around.

- Kakashi simply became a stickler for the rules after his father's death. Sasuke became a revenge-obsessed emo.

- Despite his cold exterior, Kakashi wasn't someone who would use his comrades for his own selfish gains. Sasuke was someone who was initially willing to do anything for power.

...and so on. Because of that, Kakashi didn't even truly know how to deal with Sasuke, much less take the right steps to do anything about Sasuke's attitude until it was too late, because he himself never truly recovered from his own past.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Unfortunately, part of this stems from the fact that, as is a constant theme in Naruto, he was unable to truly let go of the past due to his guilt over it. As a result of that, Kakashi simply kept overlapping the current Team Seven with his own past team, as if they were the exact same types of people when the similarities were only basic and that they were very different otherwise. So Kakashi kept seeing them as Obito (Naruto), Rin (Sakura), and himself (Sasuke), and so possibly felt that if he could "get over" bad things that happened to him on his own, then Sasuke should be able to just as easily, all while completely ignoring the enormous differences in their circumstances;

- Sakumo committed suicide. Fugaku was murdered by Itachi.

- Sakumo was, as far as we know, the only one to die. Sasuke lost his entire clan.

- Minato nobly sacrificed himself (and his son's "life") for the protection of Konoha and its people while he himself was still around.

- Kakashi simply became a stickler for the rules after his father's death. Sasuke became a revenge-obsessed emo.

- Despite his cold exterior, Kakashi wasn't someone who would use his comrades for his own selfish gains. Sasuke was someone who was initially willing to do anything for power.

...and so on. Because of that, Kakashi didn't even truly know how to deal with Sasuke, much less take the right steps to do anything about Sasuke's attitude until it was too late, because he himself never truly recovered from his own past.

 

And this is one other reason Kakashi failed with Sasuke, and not just the rest of Team 7. He seemed to see them all as Team Minato, without thinking about how they were all their own cases, and the fact too that, as you said, he didn't understand Sasuke and his motivations at all. He was driven by a guilty conscience over things beyond his control, Sasuke WILLINGLY did what he did out of anger and jealousy and spite.

[Kagomaru]

It's pathetic how you compared someone leaving the forum after debating your crazy statements to a race issue. Seriously? Are you that ignorant that you compare a person leaving here because they couldn't take you shoving your kittening opinion in every page to some people leaving a dinner table because a person from a different race sat down with them?

Are you that shallow and ignorant?

I think we've already established that this girl lives in her own bubble as far as her "logic" is concerned(and she now disgusts me on a personal level for using race in that context). And I don't buy her claims of being a writer for a second; it just sounds like she's - just as with her username - attempting to establish a false position of authority on the topic so it makes her supposed "critical analysis" of the series looks more substantive and factual than it actually is.  Even if she is a writer,  only an amateur would consider the narrative kitten that occurs in Naruto to be any good at this point in the series.

Edited by Kagomaru, 26 July 2017 - 03:13 AM.

[VanitasDS76491]

It may not happen Evil100 said he is setting something up on a fanfiction forum that we can all go to, hell I may go there its the only way we can say what is right and wrong, I mean just because a writer does something does not mean its right many writers had said they have messed up.
 
She has not even watched Dragonball so not sure if she has seen other shows like Braking Bad, the Walking dead, LOST Metal gear solid and so on all of which I have seen and watched and has something Naruto lacks growth.
 

Yeah its sad Evil100 said to me he may never come back now on this sight now.
 
As for the other thing you asked I am 100% and NS fan.
 

I agree I am very good friends with him as well love the stories he makes as unlike Kishi he shows Sakura the love she should have got, and its true he told me the reason he left was because he could no longer take her shoving her kittening opinion in every page, now everyone is allowed their own opinion but by keep shoving it in our faces well I can see why Evil100 left he just got sick of it and wanted to be the bigger man and walk away.
 
I mean something that is going on in the back of my mind is why is she on 'NOW' when Naruto ended 3 years ago and we have since then said how bad Naruto is that the ending sucked and everything else like the Boruto film and anime/Manga suck. Now I am not sure if its doing well or not right now last I looked it was doing bad, I think she is here to make us all like and watch Boruto so that it can keep going, or she would have shown up in 2015 when we were all still made about the ending, or 2016.
 
who knows why she has picked now maybe its because Boruto is doing bad right now, hell I think she said she loves Boruto cause she knows what its like to be in his shoes, who knows but I have seen so many say why the pairings don't work I have even said why my own teacher who knows what is good and bad story telling after all that is a teachers job, and I think she said that my own teacher and what he told me was wrong.

Ya it's sad he was awesome evil100 and evil100 said that about you when I asked him pm on fanfiction.

[Shashank95]

 

This is hard to understand, as your sentences are a run on after run on. But your example has nothing to do with growth? Your example is a decision a character made. The argument of growth would come as a result of that decision. You can see an example with this in the defeat of Kurama, and this growth in his view and relationship between him, to where they become buds toward the end, which incidentally, sparks off from a fight against him. Hey, this matches your example in style: Sweet.

 

The next is a bit of a bash.

 

Then the last sentence, another messy run-on, Is subjective? The story didn't build towards that, so based on where it was going, it shouldn't have done this, but it'd have been wonderful as well if it did do it, in a very different story.

 

 

 

But Kakashi changed from his mindset on the rules. That point is actually proven wrong in the Manga.

 

 

This is the same sort of mindset I was saying earlier. I might get passionate, but I'll never say you are in your own bubble, insult you, say you're dumb, or deny you are an NS fan or a writer. I hope you can treat me with the same respect I am treating you as a person, despite our clashing beliefs.

You've already called us ignorant, dumb and even played the racist card. I'm sorry if we actually don't give two kittens about what you want anymore.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

 

This is hard to understand, as your sentences are a run on after run on. But your example has nothing to do with growth? Your example is a decision a character made. The argument of growth would come as a result of that decision. You can see an example with this in the defeat of Kurama, and this growth in his view and relationship between him, to where they become buds toward the end, which incidentally, sparks off from a fight against him. Hey, this matches your example in style: Sweet.

 

The next is a bit of a bash.

 

Then the last sentence, another messy run-on, Is subjective? The story didn't build towards that, so based on where it was going, it shouldn't have done this, but it'd have been wonderful as well if it did do it, in a very different story.

 

 

 

But Kakashi changed from his mindset on the rules. That point is actually proven wrong in the Manga.

 

 

This is the same sort of mindset I was saying earlier. I might get passionate, but I'll never say you are in your own bubble, insult you, say you're dumb, or deny you are an NS fan or a writer. I hope you can treat me with the same respect I am treating you as a person, despite our clashing beliefs.

And where did I say Kakashi was still like that? I said that was one his circumstances back from his team. He didn't change until after Obito "died", but up until then, that's how he was.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

 

 

Why don't you ask me what I think of each pairing, rather than make a wild guess? I actually answered this somewhere else, but can list it together again. NS is no "appetizer", and here is an underlying comment that I'm a Lesser NS Fan for my beliefs, which is a pity we have this mindset. 

 

It's no guess. Made it clear as day as you numerously pointed out within your posts. No worries its not like I condemning you or anything. The issue sole revolves around this cursed franchise that brings the worse out of anyone from the creators to the fans. 

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

 

Yes, but this was way before Sasuke, so I'm not sure why it's on the list at all. 

But it's around the same point in regards to the teams. Same ages when such circumstances happened, so Kakashi could more easily overlap his own team with that of Team Seven.

[Shashank95]

 

Yes, but you are speaking with in regards to Team 7. Kakashi's bell lesson was all about teamwork, and he respected not leaving his comrades behind. So including it in something which relates to how he works with Sasuke makes no sense. 

 

He left Naruto and Sakura to their own devices and never trained them beyond the whole tree walking thing. His words about teamwork is just pure Hypocrisy. He chose to focus on the one person who is similar to him, Sasuke and abandoned the other two.