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The Great NaruSaku Debate Thread!
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 11:55 PM
Well, I had a dream like that once, Sakura gets knocked-up, Naruto fights Sasuke, both die, baby born becomes a Hokage? That'd be sweet, but still, it's been over a zillion years and Kurenai still hasn't had her baby. *shrugs* If she gets knocked-up it's fine with me as long its Naruto that helped <.< ... You know what I mean.
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Hmm, going to introduce a pro narusaku topic but it's kind of controversial with manga readers in the west. Since I've read quite a few manga series over the years I know the plotlines pretty well. Narusaku has basically happened at this point, so there a few common paths plots follow once the canon couple reaches this point.
We've already discussed the one dies at the end option (looking highly unlikely from what the plot path looks like, slight chance, but not likely) Here's another plot choice which is controversial in the west- Sakura and Naruto become a couple (offpanel become sexually intimate) and Sakura becomes pregnant with their child. It's at this point that Sasuke and Naruto have their big battle. What makes me think Kishimoto could chose this plot route is that it would parallel Minato and Kushina's life and Kishimoto did say in an interview that he was going to reveal what happened to Kushina. Kishimoto loves bringing out generational parallels and he hasn't revealed Kushina's fate yet.
A couple of reasons why it is a controversial plotline option-
Naruto and Sakura's age- but Chiyo and Tsume would have been right about the same age as Sakura when they became pregnant, so it's not stigmatized in their world for a 16/17 year old kunoichi to have a child. We've seen that around 16 in Naruto's world people might see you as young and inexperienced, but basically an adult. Much the same is how an 18 year old is viewed in the industrialized real world countries. Naruto's world, despite the modern technology, is more like how the western world and Japan was before the 20th century in some ways, including how teenagers are viewed. Even in the later 19th century a 16 year old, although not having the full rights of an adult until 21 was basically seen as an adult. Even in the 1930's when child labor laws went into effect that influence was still there- you could legally drop out of school and go to work full time in an occupation, 16 year old girls could still marry legally in many states without parental consent (especially if they crossed state lines- which is exactly what my maternal grandmother did in December 1932). Up till WWI little was done to check the ages of soldiers enlisting to fight in wars (little was done to check gender too, there were a number of women who disguised themselves as men and fought even in the US Civil War) and as long as they were at least 16 boys weren't generally discharged when their age was discovered, even in WWII. (a few managed to fool the enlistment people even during WWII)
In a world where child soldiers are the norm, adulthood comes sooner. (although it looks like the age minimum for Genin was raised from the time Itachi graduated across all the ninja countries. There doesn't seem to be any more 6-8 year old Genin- Sai is the youngest of Naruto's generation to graduate at 9. Everyone else, no matter how talented, was in their 12th year- at minimum turning 12 later that year, when they graduated. And look at how during the invasion of Konoha during part 1, 9 year old Konohamaru is seen as noncombatant and a child and was evacuated- where his uncle Asuma was a Genin at that age. Itachi saw warfare apparently even before he entered the Academy. Madara says at 4 years old Itachi had seen warfare, mostly likely because to Fugaku, any Uchiha evacuating during an attack on Konoha would have looked weak.)
Another reason it's a controversial plotline is that it looks like it's supporting a traditional mindset that men fight, women have babies. People who know I'm a feminist will probably be shocked that I will say- not always. Kishimoto could do this in such way that it's not about that; that it could be a loving and heroic choice for Sakura. I'll leave it at that and open the debate floor. (I have mixed feelings about this plot option, but if I think it's being done well I enjoy it.)
We've already discussed the one dies at the end option (looking highly unlikely from what the plot path looks like, slight chance, but not likely) Here's another plot choice which is controversial in the west- Sakura and Naruto become a couple (offpanel become sexually intimate) and Sakura becomes pregnant with their child. It's at this point that Sasuke and Naruto have their big battle. What makes me think Kishimoto could chose this plot route is that it would parallel Minato and Kushina's life and Kishimoto did say in an interview that he was going to reveal what happened to Kushina. Kishimoto loves bringing out generational parallels and he hasn't revealed Kushina's fate yet.
A couple of reasons why it is a controversial plotline option-
Naruto and Sakura's age- but Chiyo and Tsume would have been right about the same age as Sakura when they became pregnant, so it's not stigmatized in their world for a 16/17 year old kunoichi to have a child. We've seen that around 16 in Naruto's world people might see you as young and inexperienced, but basically an adult. Much the same is how an 18 year old is viewed in the industrialized real world countries. Naruto's world, despite the modern technology, is more like how the western world and Japan was before the 20th century in some ways, including how teenagers are viewed. Even in the later 19th century a 16 year old, although not having the full rights of an adult until 21 was basically seen as an adult. Even in the 1930's when child labor laws went into effect that influence was still there- you could legally drop out of school and go to work full time in an occupation, 16 year old girls could still marry legally in many states without parental consent (especially if they crossed state lines- which is exactly what my maternal grandmother did in December 1932). Up till WWI little was done to check the ages of soldiers enlisting to fight in wars (little was done to check gender too, there were a number of women who disguised themselves as men and fought even in the US Civil War) and as long as they were at least 16 boys weren't generally discharged when their age was discovered, even in WWII. (a few managed to fool the enlistment people even during WWII)
In a world where child soldiers are the norm, adulthood comes sooner. (although it looks like the age minimum for Genin was raised from the time Itachi graduated across all the ninja countries. There doesn't seem to be any more 6-8 year old Genin- Sai is the youngest of Naruto's generation to graduate at 9. Everyone else, no matter how talented, was in their 12th year- at minimum turning 12 later that year, when they graduated. And look at how during the invasion of Konoha during part 1, 9 year old Konohamaru is seen as noncombatant and a child and was evacuated- where his uncle Asuma was a Genin at that age. Itachi saw warfare apparently even before he entered the Academy. Madara says at 4 years old Itachi had seen warfare, mostly likely because to Fugaku, any Uchiha evacuating during an attack on Konoha would have looked weak.)
Another reason it's a controversial plotline is that it looks like it's supporting a traditional mindset that men fight, women have babies. People who know I'm a feminist will probably be shocked that I will say- not always. Kishimoto could do this in such way that it's not about that; that it could be a loving and heroic choice for Sakura. I'll leave it at that and open the debate floor. (I have mixed feelings about this plot option, but if I think it's being done well I enjoy it.)
No offence but i would find that way beond wrong and sexest witch i am fully agenst both sexs are able jest as well as the other. I myself would loss much respect for kish.
I dont know it's jest wrong perid.
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 12:01 AM
But think about it Goku-kun.
What if Naruto dies? Hm? We'd need baby Uzumaki's
If he doesn't die, then i'm fine without babies.
What if Naruto dies? Hm? We'd need baby Uzumaki's
If he doesn't die, then i'm fine without babies.
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 12:07 AM
he is the hero he is not going to die that would make his sacrifices invain to be hokage
Naruto,sasuke both the last of there clans i dont think ether will die really sasuke will probly leave thow
Naruto,sasuke both the last of there clans i dont think ether will die really sasuke will probly leave thow
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 12:07 AM
I personally don't want Naruto to die. The manga is basically about Naruto surpassing his father and teacher and fulfilling his dream and goals. I want him to become Hokage and win over Sakura's heart (although he has done that already 
). I would like both Naruto and Sakura to get marry and have kids, after that I will accept the idea that Naruto dies at a old age like the third, either dying in combat protecting his village or side by side with Sakura. But then again bringing peace to the world and break the cycle of hatred is one of Naruto's goals so there won't be any attacks on Konoha for Naruto to protect the village.
). I would like both Naruto and Sakura to get marry and have kids, after that I will accept the idea that Naruto dies at a old age like the third, either dying in combat protecting his village or side by side with Sakura. But then again bringing peace to the world and break the cycle of hatred is one of Naruto's goals so there won't be any attacks on Konoha for Naruto to protect the village.
Edited by Gravenimage, 14 March 2010 - 12:24 AM.
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 12:15 AM
how do we know the kyuubi wont make naruto emortal
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 12:15 AM
Oh Graven-kun 
I like yours better! That's so sweet ^^
I like yours better! That's so sweet ^^
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 12:20 AM
QUOTE (ShippudenGirl @ Mar 14 2010, 01:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But think about it Goku-kun.
What if Naruto dies? Hm? We'd need baby Uzumaki's
If he doesn't die, then i'm fine without babies.
What if Naruto dies? Hm? We'd need baby Uzumaki's
If he doesn't die, then i'm fine without babies.
im sorry shippu-chan but that makes us no better than SS that way and im highly agenst it.
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 12:28 AM
I see. I guess your right, but the only difference between SS and NS is that Sakura wouldn't have babies with Sasuke
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 12:35 AM
QUOTE (ShippudenGirl @ Mar 13 2010, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I see. I guess your right, but the only difference between SS and NS is that Sakura wouldn't have babies with Sasuke
I'm sorry Shippu-chan and Goku-san but I think you guys should re read 485 again. I don't remember Sasuke saying he was going to to revive the Uchiha clan with Sakura giving him endless Uchiha babies. He said that he wants to killed EVERYONE in Konoha in order to cleanse the Uchiha name as well as NOT having a woman to give him Uchiha babies. Everyone in Konoha that also counts Sakura too
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 12:38 AM
QUOTE (ShippudenGirl @ Mar 13 2010, 06:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, I had a dream like that once, Sakura gets knocked-up, Naruto fights Sasuke, both die, baby born becomes a Hokage? That'd be sweet, but still, it's been over a zillion years and Kurenai still hasn't had her baby. *shrugs* If she gets knocked-up it's fine with me as long its Naruto that helped <.< ... You know what I mean.
Well, they'd exceed Minato and Kushina and both live- that's pretty certain if Kishimoto does follow that plotline for Naruto and Sakura.
I'd love to see an epilogue time skip with Naruto as Hokage meeting up at the end of a day with Sakura, who is Konoha's head medic nin. They have two kids. The kids have been tagging along with their daddy all day- a hyperactive tomboyish daughter who wants to be Hokage someday like her daddy and a budding lady charmer son with his mom's intelligence who is drawn more to medical ninjutsu.
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 12:38 AM
QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Mar 14 2010, 01:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm sorry Shippu-chan and Goku-san but I think you guys should re read 485 again. I don't remember Sasuke saying he was going to to revive the Uchiha clan with Sakura giving him endless Uchiha babies. He said that he wants to killed EVERYONE in Konoha in order to cleanse the Uchiha name as well as NOT having a woman to give him Uchiha babies. Everyone in Konoha that also counts Sakura too
i know Graven-san but im jest stateing a point
SS makes me sick when they say they jest want sakura for babies and even without it its wrong
ciardha this is not so bad now
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I'd love to see an epilogue time skip with Naruto as Hokage meeting up at the end of a day with Sakura, who is Konoha's head medic nin. They have two kids. The kids have been tagging along with their daddy all day- a hyperactive tomboyish daughter who wants to be Hokage someday like her daddy and a budding lady charmer son with his mom's intelligence who is drawn more to medical ninjutsu.
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 12:48 AM
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I'd love to see an epilogue time skip with Naruto as Hokage meeting up at the end of a day with Sakura, who is Konoha's head medic nin. They have two kids. The kids have been tagging along with their daddy all day- a hyperactive tomboyish daughter who wants to be Hokage someday like her daddy and a budding lady charmer son with his mom's intelligence who is drawn more to medical ninjutsu.
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 12:57 AM
Let's get off the baby subject. I can't have babies 
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Let's get off the baby subject. I can't have babies
ok what do you propose than shippu-chan?
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 01:05 AM
to focus on the specific debate topic posted by Ciardha. yes it is plausible and possible given both the themes in the manga to date, and the status of Sasuke and Naruto in regards to their friendship.
the key for that would be a very heavilly emotionaly charged moment between Sakura and Naruto where in a lot of emotional baggage was aired out between them, and true feelings were announced allaround. what would follow would be the making love moment ((off camera of course, but heavilly implied)). the attack by Sasuke would follow and then later after the funeral we have Sakura basically all but admit to being pregnant with Narutos baby and her hope for the future.
A future presaged by Asuma and Shikamaru with their king speach.
the issues that lie agaisnt it mostly come to the theme and tone of the manga to date which even with Dark Sasuke and his betrayal of Karin, have been mostly positive and uplifiting themes of forgiveness and redemption, and positive light tones. while the current situation is a dark and heavy moment even Naruto was able to find some humor and bring a lighter touch to the moment.
Sakura too will be a part of this lighter tone as she and Naruto resume the closing cycle they have begun with each other with their paths converging and running paralel with each other so they stand side by side.
the key for that would be a very heavilly emotionaly charged moment between Sakura and Naruto where in a lot of emotional baggage was aired out between them, and true feelings were announced allaround. what would follow would be the making love moment ((off camera of course, but heavilly implied)). the attack by Sasuke would follow and then later after the funeral we have Sakura basically all but admit to being pregnant with Narutos baby and her hope for the future.
A future presaged by Asuma and Shikamaru with their king speach.
the issues that lie agaisnt it mostly come to the theme and tone of the manga to date which even with Dark Sasuke and his betrayal of Karin, have been mostly positive and uplifiting themes of forgiveness and redemption, and positive light tones. while the current situation is a dark and heavy moment even Naruto was able to find some humor and bring a lighter touch to the moment.
Sakura too will be a part of this lighter tone as she and Naruto resume the closing cycle they have begun with each other with their paths converging and running paralel with each other so they stand side by side.
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 01:17 AM
lol i'd laugh if Naruto ended up with a red-head like Karin or somthing, it would be like Minato and Kushina rofl.
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 01:18 AM
QUOTE (catsi563 @ Mar 14 2010, 02:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
to focus on the specific debate topic posted by Ciardha. yes it is plausible and possible given both the themes in the manga to date, and the status of Sasuke and Naruto in regards to their friendship.
the key for that would be a very heavilly emotionaly charged moment between Sakura and Naruto where in a lot of emotional baggage was aired out between them, and true feelings were announced allaround. what would follow would be the making love moment ((off camera of course, but heavilly implied)). the attack by Sasuke would follow and then later after the funeral we have Sakura basically all but admit to being pregnant with Narutos baby and her hope for the future.
A future presaged by Asuma and Shikamaru with their king speach.
the issues that lie agaisnt it mostly come to the theme and tone of the manga to date which even with Dark Sasuke and his betrayal of Karin, have been mostly positive and uplifiting themes of forgiveness and redemption, and positive light tones. while the current situation is a dark and heavy moment even Naruto was able to find some humor and bring a lighter touch to the moment.
Sakura too will be a part of this lighter tone as she and Naruto resume the closing cycle they have begun with each other with their paths converging and running paralel with each other so they stand side by side.
I really dont think it will be that easy,There not that close yet as well as naruto is going for more trainingthe key for that would be a very heavilly emotionaly charged moment between Sakura and Naruto where in a lot of emotional baggage was aired out between them, and true feelings were announced allaround. what would follow would be the making love moment ((off camera of course, but heavilly implied)). the attack by Sasuke would follow and then later after the funeral we have Sakura basically all but admit to being pregnant with Narutos baby and her hope for the future.
A future presaged by Asuma and Shikamaru with their king speach.
the issues that lie agaisnt it mostly come to the theme and tone of the manga to date which even with Dark Sasuke and his betrayal of Karin, have been mostly positive and uplifiting themes of forgiveness and redemption, and positive light tones. while the current situation is a dark and heavy moment even Naruto was able to find some humor and bring a lighter touch to the moment.
Sakura too will be a part of this lighter tone as she and Naruto resume the closing cycle they have begun with each other with their paths converging and running paralel with each other so they stand side by side.
as well was narutos father was 24 when he had naruto.
i really could see after the sasuke battle a time skip 5 years than i could see sakura haveing a kid
Edited by SS3 Goku, 14 March 2010 - 02:30 AM.
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 02:31 AM
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I really dont think it will be that easy,There not that close yet as well as naruto is going for more training
Yep.
Even when they become canon, that doesn't mean they'll right off the bat become intimate and have a baby, plus Naruto is a pervert but he'd probably be to nervour or whatever
and who knows? Maybe the Kyuubi has affected his *cough* ba-s *cough* in a way so he couldn't have babies (highly doubt it though)I'm sick of baby talk, ugh. Anyways, how 'bout any new SS arguments?
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 03:11 AM
QUOTE (ShippudenGirl @ Mar 14 2010, 03:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yep.
Even when they become canon, that doesn't mean they'll right off the bat become intimate and have a baby, plus Naruto is a pervert but he'd probably be to nervour or whatever and who knows? Maybe the Kyuubi has affected his *cough* ba-s *cough* in a way so he couldn't have babies (highly doubt it though)
I'm sick of baby talk, ugh. Anyways, how 'bout any new SS arguments?
Even when they become canon, that doesn't mean they'll right off the bat become intimate and have a baby, plus Naruto is a pervert but he'd probably be to nervour or whatever
and who knows? Maybe the Kyuubi has affected his *cough* ba-s *cough* in a way so he couldn't have babies (highly doubt it though)I'm sick of baby talk, ugh. Anyways, how 'bout any new SS arguments?
lol omg Your a biger perv than i am
nothing we havent already herd
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