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[TouKen4Life3g]

 
Dude, Sparda, I think he's just lost his mind. =/

Still. This whole thing just doesn't make sense.

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Suit yourself but I don't think I'm being one for that matter just trying to be objective as much as possible.

 

My correlation in here is that you said in your post that Sakura & Sasuke are victims and only Naruto is living his "fairy tale" that's what I meant when I used victimizing him . You see that's what I'm saying how can you say that Sasuke is victimized when you yourself say that we have barely any evidence of him and his thoughts on his current life !? And the fact that you pointed that his goals were retconed by canon but so were Naruto's  being Hokage wasn't everything to him that's what I was pointing out in your argument. And I see your point with the NH being "happy" bc of the "Last & all" but then again it can go both ways now  knowing that Naruto is a workaholic , neglecting his kid bc he's barely home that doesn't scream "happy" ,  and we still haven't seen the full picture & dynamic of the NH family as a whole in canon manga not just "artwork" so its not that clear as you put it out . Also to many things happened and changed between the ending , the last and now this gaiden  and you know how fast Kikitten's writing changes and retconing goes retcon the retcon is his main thing now   .  

 

.As for that picture no I don't think its hypocritical of us to discuss this bc even though its a sh*tty forced parallel the characters are not the same Naruto wasn't strict like Kushina that was not in his character  and the vibe is different knowing what we know about their father/son problems his neglecting and being a workaholic . What I'm trying to say is that this characters just doesn't fit in this parallel given that we know their family issues which MK  didn't have them and that illustration was natural for them .

 

But to be honest I don't know why does all of this even matters bc whether the characters are portrayed and sees themselves having their "happy perfect life or not " is irrelevant bc no matter how you look at it their themes and characters were completely destroyed and nothing can or will change that  

^ Well that's exactly what I'm trying to say. I do believe that Naruto is happy with his life, but that still doesn't change the fact that his character, and other characters, were ruined in the process. And that's what NH did- it ruined characters.  

 

But I've never, ever said that Sasuke and Sakura were victims. Ever. Like, do I agree that both characters were destroyed? Yes. But in-universe, both are to blame for their own predicament. I've said this in countless of threads. I would never excuse them as "victims". 

 

The problem is that we have evidence that Naruto isn't happy. He's never home, and he drinks on the job. His first born hates him because he isn't ever around. We don't talk about how Kushina looks unhappy because we have evidence that she's not, while there are plenty of things to suggest Naruto is. If he really loved Hinata and was happy, would he still spend all day away from her, to the extent that her son hates him for it? No.

How dare you mention this without giving me any links??? Until you give me proof of his unhappiness I'm gonna question this.   But what you said- that's Bolt's unhappiness, not Naruto's.  

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It feels rather inconsistent and all. It's weird. I think Kishi is rewriting history....again.

 

 

If he really is truly happy with his life, then I'd have to say Naruto is being a selfish man. Focusing on his job is no excuse if he's going to be neglecting his family and in a lot of ways it's just as bad as what Sasuke is doing.

 

Guys, Idk if Kishi is rewriting history again or what not, but if this is true, then there's no denying Naruto's ruined character anymore. For him to still keep in touch with Sasuke but not tell Sakura about this is kittening pathetic. But there's also the case that Naruto did tell Sasuke about Sarada, yet he still didn't come back to see her- which would then make both Naruto and Sasuke kittening pathetic. (Since Naruto should force him to go see his daughter.)

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

 

 

Guys, Idk if Kishi is rewriting history again or what not, but if this is true, then there's no denying Naruto's ruined character anymore. For him to still keep in touch with Sasuke but not tell Sakura about this is kittening pathetic. But there's also the case that Naruto did tell Sasuke about Sarada, yet he still didn't come back to see her- which would then make both Naruto and Sasuke kittening pathetic. (Since Naruto should force him to go see his daughter.)

That's actually worse than I thought. I think Kishi doesn't think around it. As to say, "No one will question on this, so I will write it like this."

[Illnevergiveup3]

That's actually worse than I thought. I think Kishi doesn't think around it. As to say, "No one will question on this, so I will write it like this."

I think the fag is doing it on purpose.

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That's actually worse than I thought. I think Kishi doesn't think around it. As to say, "No one will question on this, so I will write it like this."

Which is dumb because we're the fandom known for over-analyzing.  Me included. Yet there are others who will create massive theories but still agree to whatever kitten Kishimoto spills at them.

[AHK]

^ Well that's exactly what I'm trying to say. I do believe that Naruto is happy with his life, but that still doesn't change the fact that his character, and other characters, were ruined in the process. And that's what NH did- it ruined characters.  
 
But I've never, ever said that Sasuke and Sakura were victims. Ever. Like, do I agree that both characters were destroyed? Yes. But in-universe, both are to blame for their own predicament. I've said this in countless of threads. I would never excuse them as "victims". 
 

How dare you mention this without giving me any links??? Until you give me proof of his unhappiness I'm gonna question this.   But what you said- that's Bolt's unhappiness, not Naruto's.

  
Lol it was in the panel of Naruto looking at his computer in 700 I think. He's got ramen and vodka not necessarily. Naruto staying away from his family makes bolt unhappy, but perhaps the reason Naruto isn't around is an indicator of his own unhappiness.

Guys, Idk if Kishi is rewriting history again or what not, but if this is true, then there's no denying Naruto's ruined character anymore. For him to still keep in touch with Sasuke but not tell Sakura about this is kittening pathetic. But there's also the case that Naruto did tell Sasuke about Sarada, yet he still didn't come back to see her- which would then make both Naruto and Sasuke kittening pathetic. (Since Naruto should force him to go see his daughter.)

So now Naruto is responsible for acting as a liaison for Sakura's dream relationship? Sorry, but no. Sakura not keeping in touch with Sasuke is her own fault, not Naruto's.

[FireFox]

^ Well that's exactly what I'm trying to say. I do believe that Naruto is happy with his life, but that still doesn't change the fact that his character, and other characters, were ruined in the process. And that's what NH did- it ruined characters.  

 

But I've never, ever said that Sasuke and Sakura were victims. Ever. Like, do I agree that both characters were destroyed? Yes. But in-universe, both are to blame for their own predicament. I've said this in countless of threads. I would never excuse them as "victims". 

 

How dare you mention this without giving me any links??? Until you give me proof of his unhappiness I'm gonna question this.   But what you said- that's Bolt's unhappiness, not Naruto's.  

Yeah exactly its just a forced "happiness"  but we'll see soon how much happy and functional  he and his family really are  Kikitten  likes creating conflicts & kitten drama its his move that's all I'm gonna say   .

 

If not then my apologies and yeah I agree with that . To be frank I just don't care I just wants to see this kitten burns and SS/NH fandom along with it   . They're all already butchered so much  I just want to see more  .   

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 02 May 2015 - 07:18 PM.

[Illnevergiveup3]

 
How dare you mention this without giving me any links??? Until you give me proof of his unhappiness I'm gonna question this.   But what you said- that's Bolt's unhappiness, not Naruto's.  

it was in chapter 700 when Naruto was on his computer. He was drinking.

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Lol it was in the panel of Naruto looking at his computer in 700 I think. He's got ramen and vodka not necessarily. Naruto staying away from his family makes bolt unhappy, but perhaps the reason Naruto isn't around is an indicator of his own unhappiness.
So now Naruto is responsible for acting as a liaison for Sakura's dream relationship? Sorry, but no. Sakura not keeping in touch with Sasuke is her own fault, not Naruto's.

Omg was that really vodka?! I'm done. And yeah, it could be an indicator of his own happiness. It could... 

 

And no, that's not what I meant. I meaning that Naruto should tell Sasuke that Sarada exists and help them- not for Sakura, but for Sasuke. He needs to know that there's another Uchiha running around in Konoha. And It is in Naruto's nature to help all of his "friends", right? 

 

Yeah exactly its just a forced "happiness"  but we'll see soon how much happy and functional  he and his family really are  Kikitten's likes creating conflicts its his move that's all I'm gonna say   .

 

If not then my apologies and yeah I agree with that . To be frank I just don't care I just wants to see this kitten burns and SS/NH fandom along with it   . They're all already butchered so much  I just want to see more  .   

Exactly. I could still be very much wrong. I wonder- does Kishimoto actually have the balls to make even NH an unhappy, dysfunctional family???   I mean, in our heads they already are. But I want to see Hinata and Naruto not getting along in canon. And it's fine, you probably just mistaken me for inferring that. But nah, I would never victimize them cause quite frankly, I'm pissed off at all of the characters. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know...

 

The Nutcracker from Tokyo Ghoul :re attack on the nut sure sounds safe than reading the Gaiden right about now. Yeah, I may end up being Ms. Sparda3g but hell, it’s something Kishimoto keep forgetting they exist.

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it was in chapter 700 when Naruto was on his computer. He was drinking.

 

Oh my god.

[AHK]

Omg was that really vodka?! I'm done. And yeah, it could be an indicator of his own happiness. It could... 
 
And no, that's not what I meant. I meaning that Naruto should tell Sasuke that Sarada exists and help them- not for Sakura, but for Sasuke. He needs to know that there's another Uchiha running around in Konoha. And It is in Naruto's nature to help all of his "friends", right? 
 

Exactly. I could still be very much wrong. I wonder- does Kishimoto actually have the balls to make even NH an unhappy, dysfunctional family???   I mean, in our heads they already are. But I want to see Hinata and Naruto not getting along in canon. And it's fine, you probably just mistaken me for inferring that. But nah, I would never victimize them cause quite frankly, I'm pissed off at all of the characters. 

It was something, I said vodka cuz I like vodka XD but it was some kind of alcoholic drink. As far as his happiness, when I was in high school, I hated my home life, so I went out of my way to get away from my home. Same could apply.

Who's to say he hasn't already done so? It's the same as when people were calling Naruto a kitten person after Sakura fainted because "he doesn't help her". He wasn't even seen in the chapter, who's to say that he doesn't help her? Everyone just leaped to their own conclusions. He might talk to Salad a lot, it's to early to say he doesn't. But at the same time, if he doesn't, oh well. He's not obligated to play hero in someone's relationship, especially when they are only a former friend, she enter to great kengths to make sure she cut ties with him. It's also not Naruto's responsibility to make Sasuke aware that, holy kitten, he has a kid. Sakura and Sasuke are both adults. Funny thing is that all the two of them have either done is leach off Naruto's nature (sakura moreso, as she used it to her advantage), they need to act like the adults they are and fix their own damn problems.

[FireFox]

Omg was that really vodka?! I'm done. And yeah, it could be an indicator of his own happiness. It could... 

 

And no, that's not what I meant. I meaning that Naruto should tell Sasuke that Sarada exists and help them- not for Sakura, but for Sasuke. He needs to know that there's another Uchiha running around in Konoha. And It is in Naruto's nature to help all of his "friends", right? 

 

Exactly. I could still be very much wrong. I wonder- does Kishimoto actually have the balls to make even NH an unhappy, dysfunctional family???   I mean, in our heads they already are. But I want to see Hinata and Naruto not getting along in canon. And it's fine, you probably just mistaken me for inferring that. But nah, I would never victimize them cause quite frankly, I'm pissed off at all of the characters. 

I'm afraid if Sasuke finds out about the Salad he might give her the almighty "Chidori of Love" trough the heart either to show his divine love or bc she's apparently a tube experiment like the one that attacked him .

 

Hey he had the balls or rather lack of braincells to do all of this  do not question his reasons and  sanity everything is possible now  .And yeah you and me both want to see that sister It will be glorious and I'll celebrate it with the strongest booze I have  . 

 

Yeah I know sorry again  . I'm to but I'm more pissed for wasting my time reading this crap for 8 freaking years I want my precious time back . 

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It was something, I said vodka cuz I like vodka XD but it was some kind of alcoholic drink. As far as his happiness, when I was in high school, I hated my home life, so I went out of my way to get away from my home. Same could apply.

Who's to say he hasn't already done so? It's the same as when people were calling Naruto a sh*tty person after Sakura fainted because "he doesn't help her". He wasn't even seen in the chapter, who's to say that he doesn't help her? Everyone just leaped to their own conclusions. He might talk to Salad a lot, it's to early to say he doesn't. But at the same time, if he doesn't, oh well. He's not obligated to play hero in someone's relationship, especially when they are only a former friend, she enter to great kengths to make sure she cut ties with him. It's also not Naruto's responsibility to make Sasuke aware that, holy kitten, he has a kid. Sakura and Sasuke are both adults. Funny thing is that all the two of them have either done is leach off Naruto's nature (sakura moreso, as she used it to her advantage), they need to act like the adults they are and fix their own damn problems.

I see where you're coming from, I really do. 

 

And I would be quick to agree with you, but here's the thing- Naruto is exactly the type of person who would butt his head into someone else's problems and try to fix them in every way he knows how. And that's the issue. It's like expecting up to believe that he would save Obito but can't even get Sakura a free house. He's the Hokage for crying out loud. But you are right in the sense that we are only making assumptions- but they're assumptions based on the evidence that we have. So it's still safe to say that Naruto never told Sasuke about Sarada because Sasuke never came to visit her. It is still safe to say that Naruto doesn't help Sakura because he she's financially in debt. I don't think anyone in here highly believes this; but they are valid theories until proven otherwise?  

 

But yeah, none of this is Naruto's responsibility, and maybe he grew out of trying to save everyone. And I'm sorry to hear about your situation. I know how that feels. 

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I'm afraid if Sasuke finds out about the Salad he might give her the almighty "Chidori of Love" trough the heart either to show his divine love or bc she's apparently a tube experiment like the one that attacked him .

 

Hey he had the balls or rather lack of braincells to do all of this  do not question his reasons and  sanity everything is possible now  .And yeah you and me both want to see that sister It will be glorious and I'll celebrate it with the strongest booze I have  . 

 

Yeah I know sorry again  . I'm to but I'm more pissed for wasting my time reading this crap for 8 freaking years I want my precious time back . 

I do too. I wished I invested in something else. I was a hardcore sailor moon fan back in the day. I wished I would have stayed that way. 

 

And yeah, I can see Sasuke doing that to her, which really saddens me. Cause Sarada didn't do anything to deserve what she's going through right now. Her sins are not her parents'.  

 

But if NH falls to the ground it's going to be my new birthday week. I'm gonna drink red wine and eat some good steak that day.     

[FireFox]

I do too. I wished I invested in something else. I was a hardcore sailor moon fan back in the day. I wished I would have stayed that way. 

 

And yeah, I can see Sasuke doing that to her, which really saddens me. Cause Sarada didn't do anything to deserve what she's going through right now. Her sins are not her parents'.  

 

But if NH falls to the ground it's going to be my new birthday week. I'm gonna drink red wine and eat some good steak that day.     

LOL  I feel you XD . God Bless Gintama & Sorachi its my medicine for all the BS that's going on   . 

 

That's true the kids have no blame for their sins and from a moral POV I can sympathize for them . But from a literature POV all of this is just forced contrived BS drama plot for their sake , all the BS that's going on and the way the story is now is bc of them and I hate their guts for that  bc it makes no sens  and they shouldn't have existed at all  so meh!   I don't care for them   .

 

THAT'S SO COOL !!!!!!           

 

 

I think I'll have all the barbecue I can have and drink a whole bottle of my Rakia .  

[Aizen-Sama]

 

Kishi be like
 
 

 
 
"This is the real Naruto! *laughs* "

Lol that's exactly what he's trying to do.

[Illnevergiveup3]

 
Oh my god.

it could be Henny lol. Even if the color is difderent(in Kishi's world).

Edited by Illnevergiveup3, 02 May 2015 - 08:43 PM.