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[TouKen4Life3g]

Oh yeah, It's possible that it can be triggered from Karin. We'll see how it'll go for her.
 
By the way, Sakura can be the trigger too if her Tsundereness was shown to Hashirama. But, not that much for that cause he already compared to her to Tsunade.
 
Lol. This battle is full of parallels XD

This must be a response for crap he has to take from others, telling him what to do. Maybe. But really, if you doubt parallel, face the consequences.

 
Really?     I guess NaruSaku is really popular there!!  I get so happy when they use NaruSaku scenes, I mean, they could have used that Hinata scene from pain arc, but they didn't. That hug scene was the only ship scene in that commercial.

Yeah, I know. Honestly, Japan knows the deal already. It's most likely the Internet that created this war. Anyway, commercials before going on air, I remember seeing Sakura punching Naruto from the first episode of part 2. Then, there was a hug scene. For whatever reason, they highlight NaruSaku. I know they highlight others like Naruto training, Naruto using rasenshuriken, etc. but yeah. Oh well, good for us.

[Canadian_DJ]

Wow great posts guys!

As we all know narusaku is really popular in japan just like sasusaku.

But I wanna ask you guys something, how many of you actually realize that sakura is also the most popular female character in naruto in japan, becuase she's realistic and a great heroine, not only for pairing purpose. Many like her for many reasons-although ofcoarse every popular character has to have trolls, although they're the minority and hardly vocal. I've been doing alotta research in the japanese fanbase and forums lately, they talk about how she's the strongest of her age, how she's a genius for mastering the byakugo seal, even though shes a normal girl. Sakura comes second in popularity after shikamaru. Heres something nice to share as well, they also consider her beautiful and cute (and tenten as well).

But ofcoarse there are trolls as well, but no matter since they're hardly there. Proof for all this is all the advertising she appears in and all the products along with kakashi, naruto, sasuke and shikamaru. Now you may wonder why im bringing this up is cuz I happened to tumble upon a thread on NF talking badly of sakura how in japan shes hated (when hinata isnt even in the top ten from how pathetic her popularity is compared to the top ten) and how she's nothing compared to rukia and nami as heroines-when in fact thats wrong, since she's equally as popular as them, (judging by the same amount of praise they get by products and merchandise and advertisings and WSJ covers for heroes and heroines and the V-day cover with the heroes and heroines) it just infuriated me, making fun of her like that and saying false stuff like that when in fact they didnt hate her after the confession and when in fact they reacted in balance; some were confused, some were thinking shes honest, and some ofcoarse thought she wasnt being honest, although thats only 2 in a hundred. All In all sakura is the top female in naruto in terms of popularity and power of her generation, and in japan she's well taken among the japanese audiance-especially after the chapter 632 and 633 when she some of her power along with sasuke and naruto and after RTN since she was heroic in the movie (as well as the manga) I've also discussed this with some japanese fans I know as well as megi-san. So yeah got that off my chest.

[Psychox]

@ DJ, I also like her, she is the character with the most human traits in the NV , but more importantly she is the one with most growth of all in terms of maturity. ;)

[Inferno180]

Well here is something to make us again ask just how bad was 631 was taken by pairing fans, I'm serious, this is just the NaruSaku page, not only do they try to downplay it, they bloster the NaruHIna page with everything they could including the anime events of pain and her entire speech to naruto in 615, yet on the NaruSaku page, its just left with none of the big stuff, no show of the hug from 450 after beating pain, no pictures of the 4 tails event, no mention of sakura's speech only that she rallies the troops. Just look at this from the page:

 

In the Ten-Tails Revival Arc, when Neji sacrifices himself for the sake of Naruto and Hinata (again just thinking this moment was romantic on both ends when it was only on Hinatas) , Sakura is shown watching in horror as one of the members of Konoha 11 falls. After somehow surviving the attack, Konoha 11 and the rest of the Shinobi Alliance rallies around an exhausted Naruto. With the shinobi's losing hope, she reassures them and rallies them with a speech as she heals Naruto (Yes that is very informative but could the brillant people who wrote this section realize that some people would be asking what exactly the speech was? How important it was that its Sakura understanding Naruto? What about its her own experience from the land of iron and how her speech resonated with what Itachi told Naruto about why Minato became hokage? No, geez thats a lot left out). When the shinobi's are attacked by a Tailed Beast Ball, everyone is surprised when it quickly disappears. Namikaze Minato then appears on the scene and asks if he's late. Shocked and aware that he has the Endo Tensei, she becomes worried and ponders if he's with the enemy. Noticing her doubts, he quickly assures her. Looking at the medical nin healing his son, he ponders. He then bluntly asks if the two were in a relationship. Naruto then quickly assures that the two were just friends. (I'm Sorry but seriously, just plain seriously, this section right here makes me and several other fans just facepalm without limit, how is it that Naruto only said they are friends, are these people absolutely kidding? Are they that desperate only listening to what they want to in their heads or do they seriously not know the words "Girlfriend" and "Yeah thats it more or less" seriously, this takes the whole concept of trying to claim there is a difference between just girlfriend as in close female friend and girlfriend as lover but dear lord, anyone with half a brain knows for the millionth time, when translated its referring to lover, there is no speration of this word in the original Japanese from which it comes.) Sakura then headbutts Naruto for not focusing on the war matter. (Wait wait wait, they said she headbutted Naruto for not focusing on the war? I'm sorry why would that be the case? Are these people sure its because of that and not because he claimed Sakura to be his girlfriend? If thats the case they just contradicted themselves here, what reason would Sakura have to strike Naruto for not focusing, is this seriously supposed to be the reason? I'm pretty sure when the war is only facing a giant 10 tailed demon, I'm sure Naruto would not forget, its not like he has ADD, but this claim otherwise makes it seem like he does. So why would Sakura smack him then? If he claims they were just friends then couldn't this logic work in reverse for her smacking him because of this wording?)

 

 

(This final part I'm not so sure of but it means the same either way, care, watch, etc.) Minato then asks that Haruno Sakura takes care of his son.(English Translation). In the Japanese Translation, he quietly pleads her to be gentle with his son. All the while, her actions reminded him of his wife; Kushina. Sakura then quickly becomes puzzled when Minato mentions that their friend was on their way. -This may be the only section they actually told the truth with, the friends though you know, Sasuke.

 

 

Its stuff like this where nowadays I don't know if I its better to laugh or cry, I mean has 631 left that much of an impact? Were those 5 panels so mind blowingly powerful, was the course of those 5 panels and those words so strong it cut a huge open wound into the other pairings and just not only caused a immense backlash but also divided them so much there is no clarity? How hard is this to go by I mean there is plenty of evidence for the comparison before Minato even came in and started this, kinda funny how Kushina started the war over her and Minato only intensified it when he saw Sakura. But again, how bad were the wounds of this chapter, it did a lot of good and joy for us in NS, but for others, I don't know what seems worse now, the direct impact or how they keep treating it.

[HauntedCake]

 Its stuff like this where nowadays I don't know if I its better to laugh or cry, I mean has 631 left that much of an impact? Were those 5 panels so mind blowingly powerful, was the course of those 5 panels and those words so strong it cut a huge open wound into the other pairings and just not only caused a immense backlash but also divided them so much there is no clarity? How hard is this to go by I mean there is plenty of evidence for the comparison before Minato even came in and started this, kinda funny how Kushina started the war over her and Minato only intensified it when he saw Sakura. But again, how bad were the wounds of this chapter, it did a lot of good and joy for us in NS, but for others, I don't know what seems worse now, the direct impact or how they keep treating it.

What do you mean by this? are you suggesting that 631 was an out of the blue suprise for other pairings?

[Inferno180]

What do you mean by this? are you suggesting that 631 was an out of the blue suprise for other pairings?

 

Well yeah it was to them because some others either always ignored or never considered what those of us in the NS camp said, then because they either ignored or mocked our speculation, it became a massive issue for them and resulted in a mixture of why, what, how, anger, confusion, shock, disappointment, and so on. Basically we got a prediction right with Sakura=Kushina then they obviously went on to try and break it down into stuff that agreed with them like saying all pre 631 kushina stuff relating to hinata or NH is now void, that Minato-Hinata is still somehow valid, saying its still a red herring, etc. All this mental gymnastics over a simple moment and foreshadow advocation. Its been a couple months since 631 came and the wounds are still cut deep and people are still arguing over it. Things with Kushina compared to Sakura were very obvious from the start but others just didn't like that or dismissed it, this is again a series made for middle schoolers, if they can put Sakura's early story together with Kushina's background with Minato and their interaction, it all fits. But others make it try to seem like this is anything but the case.

[Gravenimage]

 

Well yeah it was to them because some others either always ignored or never considered what those of us in the NS camp said, then because they either ignored or mocked our speculation, it became a massive issue for them and resulted in a mixture of why, what, how, anger, confusion, shock, disappointment, and so on. Basically we got a prediction right with Sakura=Kushina then they obviously went on to try and break it down into stuff that agreed with them like saying all pre 631 kushina stuff relating to hinata or NH is now void, that Minato-Hinata is still somehow valid, saying its still a red herring, etc. All this mental gymnastics over a simple moment and foreshadow advocation. Its been a couple months since 631 came and the wounds are still cut deep and people are still arguing over it. Things with Kushina compared to Sakura were very obvious from the start but others just didn't like that or dismissed it, this is again a series made for middle schoolers, if they can put Sakura's early story together with Kushina's background with Minato and their interaction, it all fits. But others make it try to seem like this is anything but the case.

 

To put it more simple 631 owned NH and SS fans and they don't want to admit it.

Edited by Gravenimage, 26 July 2013 - 10:30 PM.

[Inferno180]

 

To put it more simple 631 owned NH and SS fans and they don't want to admit it.

 

I really just wonder what will happen when the not trusting Sasuke stuff rises up, I mean Sakura is not trusting him, Naruto and Hashirama were giving him bad looks, Sasuke even declared he would defeat Naruto. So we know Sakura will be impacted negatively, so will Naruto, but what will they say when Naruto sees Sakura suffering and the inverse with Sakura seeing Naruto suffer, like what if Sasuke intends to kill him, how would they explain SS as love then?

[Kakashi-Sensei]

 

To put it more simple 631 owned NH and SS fans and they don't want to admit it.

Well NH fans says that chapter 615 killed NS...

 

I wonder wich chapter as the biggest influence on pairing war between chapter 631 and 615... Personally I would choose 631 because Minato confirmed the parallel with Sakura/Kushina

[arian_rad]

Well NH fans says that chapter 615 killed NS...
 
I wonder wich chapter as the biggest influence on pairing war between chapter 631 and 615... Personally I would choose 631 because Minato confirmed the parallel with Sakura/Kushina

631 caused a storm in general. There are people still denying that anything positive for narusaku even happend within that chapter, which is just kitten crazy. The denial that chapter has caused has been great and it's caused people to even go against the foreshadowing element itself when kushina said "find someone like your mother" by saying narusaku=kushikushi and naruhina=minakushi so technically Naruto has to find someone like his father which goes against the foreshadowing itself aside from the fact that minakushi is the Foundation from which narusaku came. Kishi makes this stuff so obvious that children could understand but people go out of their way to deny what's straight infront of them in the manga to make their pairing look better. To them 631 did nothing and 632 did so much for naruhina and sasusaku even though sakura pointed out that it wasn't a big deal she called sasuke's name first and the naruhina was just Hina again. And also, 635 meant nothing to anyone as well because clearly trust is not a foundation for love or a foundation in which a relationship is built upon. People actually do believe that people can love without trusting the guy they love which just seems ridiculous if you ask me. 631 basically caused a storm for other shippers and no matter how bad things might get for sasusaku from now on it probably still will continue. I really don't want to say this but a lot of people who ship are completely blind to what's exactly infront of them.

Edited by arian_rad, 27 July 2013 - 06:31 AM.

[Beastbomb]

The other fandoms got knocked off of their high horse. They were to confident after 540 (although negative) and 615 and it came back to bite them in the a$$. They know te damage that has been dine and they now know which pairing is more important. Right now, they're just hoping for some counter that was as strong as chapter 631 or that Kishi asspulls NH or SS in the end. I believe this parallel ended them, but many somehow need more proof. What will they do if/when Sakura is paralleled to Rin? An if they don't accept it by then, when will they. Because they will deny, hate on, and even refuse to acknowledge NS when it becomes canon. Its quite sad what people will do just to prove their opinion, when the facts have been staring at them in black and white the whole time.

[HauntedCake]

 

To put it more simple 631 owned NH and SS fans and they don't want to admit it.

 

Surely they have been following the development of NS right??? why were they so suprised?

[Jake]

 

Surely they have been following the development of NS right??? why were they so suprised?

 

Because they actually believe their arguments.

[Kster95]

 

Because they actually believe their arguments.

 

This is so true. 

[Branden]

According to Hinata herself she is going to "stop" once this war is over. This means that we haven't seen the end of Hinata's development yet. There is going to be one more scene of her choosing to either stop chasing after Naruto or stop observing from a far and actively pursue him.  In either case I can only see things ending well for us since if she just flat out asks Naruto on a date he'll explain that he already likes someone, and just about everyone in the village already knows who that someone is, Sasuke Sakura! And if she decides to stop pursuing Naruto then that's still good for us since that leaves nobody that gets in the way of NaruSaku.

[Psychox]

   .... I dont know what to say .. NH&SS fans are all in denyal..

 

@Inferno , was that written on  a site or what?

 

I cant believe how people can degrade the moment how they downplay the development , Naruto's feelings twisting his and Minato's words.. Contradicting common sence and themselfs if i've not read the chapter and i read this BS i would be  left confused... Seriously .. but if i read the chapter and reread this genius writing  then i will laugh so hard i would probably die.. 

 

This is suppoused to be a kid's story that basic reading comprehandtion would be enough to understand  the foreshadowing , paralells and what will happen and what is written in the context..

 

I mean c'mon do we need to go all around doing the same stuff to them... could they just close this page already its really annoying to prove them wrong everytime and a second later they begin again to talk nonsense.. Sometimes i am disgusted of how this fandom can operate ..

 

There are those guys on NB talking the same stuff over and over again , they argue with us , lost 5 times ,wait a day or two then trow the bone again ...

You show courtesy, restrain , respect, try to view their POV , but when it comes to agree with MANGA facts not theories or opinions you get bashed along with your favorite characters , to the point of being called names .

 

I dunno guys im just extreemly disappointed :/

 

If kishi wanted to make NH  & SS canon , why would he waste his time  adding  so much development to NS ,why would he waste his time growing it , why would Naruto tell his dad that Sakura is his gf? Maybe the confession was not so fake after all...

Oh wait Naruto is a prankster! He would prank his dad who he has not seen for his whole 16 years of life and make fun of Sakura's feelings? I would like to see when and were did  Naruto  poke fun or joke around with his or anyone elses feelings, srlsy..

 

Lately everebody is clining on 540 / 615/633/632 for reaffirmation of Sakura and Hinata's feelings , but when it comes to Naruto, meh ,how is he ?

They still think Sakura lied about her feelings or thing that she is disgusted from Naruto(ive read this on tumblr on the SS page) , i dunno sometimes its so grim ...

Edited by Psychox, 27 July 2013 - 11:53 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

From my experience, without a doubt, 631 caused the most damage. 616 was like giving a vaccine, though not sure if fully healed, so that helped us at least from 615. But anyway, I'll explain why is that.

615 did damages because at the time, we were really skeptical where Kishi is taking his manga to. So at the time, we don't know if he was making NH a serious business. To make matter worse, after that chapter, we had like 3 weeks wait for the next one, so the wait was killing us. In here, jumping ship was occurring and panic all over. Some of us needed the time to digest all this and some of us were fortunate enough to realize that we exaggerated it. Still, the damage was done. In other places, it was like small party over there and general fans were thinking over if this is truly it. For me, it was odd that I actually thought NH combo was going to happen in the next chapter. One thing I don't want to witness in video games. Yeah, call me biased, but that would be hard to swallow.

Now 631, on the other hand, is almost whole new story. The main problem to overcome it is there's no room left for interpretations, unlike 615 where you can argue that it's a sign of friendship. This one is very blunt and there's no way you can twist. What you see is what you get and what you get is Minato asked Sakura if she's Naruto's girlfriend. To make matter worse, Naruto didn't leave any room to suggest that he loves Hinata as well, so this one can't go anywhere but love. To add more damages, the parallel that has been denied for countless years has finally been addressed and yea, it pointed to Kushina/Sakura. Now, how big the damage was? Very.

In here, I was a bit biased to think Minato would compare Sakura to Kushina, because that would have been the greatest perk right about now. Many were thinking the same, but I have to be serious, so I didn't predict it that. You can even listen to the podcast, me and James had no idea this would have happen. That said I wasn't online to read spoiler, so I went without knowing. After reading the chapter, I wasn't the same again. I went back online, but went to spoiler thread first. I remember the excitement from there and man, it was wonderful. We went through hell and back, but the payoff was worth it. I honestly couldn't pass page 5 for a long time because that page literally shocked me to no end. The funny part was that many were too busy with Sasuke being "good" and how SS can reign, but man, we had nothing but NS. People in here were celebrating like NASA celebrates when the launch went through. I would WW2 ended, but I'll say that when NS is canon. So now that people in here went all happy, how did the other places hold up? Yeah...

The other places, mainly NF, had the huge effect from this. Why? Because here's the main problem of 631: not only it negated all interpretations of NH, but it also solidfy that NS only has two roads: canon and not canon with anyone as well. That chapter alone really changed from "if" to "when" for NS. It's that bad. So bad, that the mods know that it's inevitable now, so they must shut down the pairing threads before it truly get ugly. Why they closed it? Because they know that NS is pretty much sealed and the reactions would be intense, so they shut it down. Honestly, you can use 631 to defeat all of your arguments for NH. It's that effective. Heck because of that chapter, there were so many videos that mock other fandoms. Personally, I found "We are the Champions" hilarious but that's another story.

That infamous moment destroyed all. To make matter worse, 615 has now been friendzoned as of late, especially even Hinata said it herself. SS is in red zone and nothing suggest to get better. at best, it will only end in friendship. That takes care of my personal expereience, at least cor the most part. That one person's sig said it best:

Minato: I just trolled the world. I am the final villain!

[Psychox]

Lol, i didnt know that you guys suffered so much back then ^^, i mean i didnt get to the manga untill 631 came, i was on NB at that time ( i didnt know any other sites lol) there were users with nh pics all over with hinata slaping Naruto handholding and what not , so when 631 came by , every single one of them took those pictures down , and now when i sit to think about it , it makes me  chuckle.. .

They got trolled pretty much ^^ ,  and they know that NS is gonna be canon one way or another , but i guess it makes themselfs feel better if they deny it .

[Dark_Nature]

We won a battle not a war  

 

lets all not stoop to NH fan's lvl and proclaim we're canon, it looks positive, but who knows, something unexpected could happen~ 

[Psychox]

We won a battle not a war

 

lets all not stoop to NH fan's lvl and proclaim we're canon, it looks positive, but who knows, something unexpected could happen~ 

 

yeah , but if kishi is planing to make SS end game he has taken the wrong road..

I mean , what? He will make Sasuke magicly fall in love with Sakura after his redemption and fill the gap where development should have been, it just doesnt seem believable to me , but yeah the war is still on..