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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

True but, What did Yamato wanna say :
A I can see that you really like Naruto.
or
B I can see that you really love Naruto.

there is a difference between Liking and loving

But who knows the 1 moment naruto needed too stay down (knocked out) and ofc he wakes up too soon

There's no difference between "you really like" to "you really love" in a shounen.

the same thing hapenned in a conversation between sai and naruto when sai say "naruto you really like sakura, did you tell her about your feelings?".

[TouKen4Life3g]

True but, What did Yamato wanna say :
A I can see that you really like Naruto.
or
B I can see that you really love Naruto.

there is a difference between Liking and loving

But who knows the 1 moment naruto needed too stay down (knocked out) and ofc he wakes up too soon

Honestly, it's obvious it's option B that Yamato was going for. Why would Kishi leave that sentence incomplete. Yamato chuckled because people find love funny and romantic. Yamato saw her real feelings display in front of him. He knows it but she don't. I don't like to bring databook into this, but it hyped the fact Sakura doesn't know her true feelings for Naruto. Why would they do that? Why Kishi said "Naruto is close?" Again, this series is long and romance should happen in the end. Happening at that arc instead will lose the fun. I mean what else Naruto/Sakura do if they're a couple. Remember, this is Shounen. It's about adventure. Our adventure is Naruto walking to the top.

Rest assured, everything will come together.

[PhenixElite]

Honestly, it's obvious it's option B that Yamato was going for. Why would Kishi leave that sentence incomplete. Yamato chuckled because people find love funny and romantic. Yamato saw her real feelings display in front of him. He knows it but she don't. I don't like to bring databook into this, but it hyped the fact Sakura doesn't know her true feelings for Naruto. Why would they do that? Why Kishi said "Naruto is close?" Again, this series is long and romance should happen in the end. Happening at that arc instead will lose the fun. I mean what else Naruto/Sakura do if they're a couple. Remember, this is Shounen. It's about adventure. Our adventure is Naruto walking to the top.

Rest assured, everything will come together.

As always great post! Respect!

[Gravenimage]

True i fear the same not really the save part couse i doubt hinata dies or anything. But more the part where we hope sakura will help naruto but will go too hinata instead

Arachnia@ no double posting edit and delete the previous post.

[redragon88]

I think we have discussed before that at the beginning of part 2 many of us believed that Tobi was Obito, but then Kishimoto gave us doubts by making him claim he was Madara. But eventually the real Madara was brought back and the Obito theory was proven true as a plot twist.

Do you guys think the same is with narusaku?

At the beginning of part 2 and until the Pain arc it seemed that their relationship was progressing in a steady enough way that many of us believed it was only a matter of time until it became canon. But then Kishimoto created the doubt once again during the Summit arc by addressing that Sakura still loved Sasuke.

Do you think Kishimoto is applying the same development of Tobi being Obito to making narusaku canon, in other words, by creating doubt in the middle of the story so the it will eventually be a plot twist when it actually happens?

[Gravenimage]

I think we have discussed before that at the beginning of part 2 many of us believed that Tobi was Obito, but then Kishimoto gave us doubts by making him claim he was Madara. But eventually the real Madara was brought back and the Obito theory was proven true as a plot twist.

Do you guys think the same is with narusaku?

At the beginning of part 2 and until the Pain arc it seemed that their relationship was progressing in a steady enough way that many of us believed it was only a matter of time until it became canon. But then Kishimoto created the doubt once again during the Summit arc by addressing that Sakura still loved Sasuke.

Do you think Kishimoto is applying the same development of Tobi being Obito to making narusaku canon, in other words, by creating doubt in the middle of the story so the it will eventually be a plot twist when it actually happens?

This!

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think we have discussed before that at the beginning of part 2 many of us believed that Tobi was Obito, but then Kishimoto gave us doubts by making him claim he was Madara. But eventually the real Madara was brought back and the Obito theory was proven true as a plot twist.

Do you guys think the same is with narusaku?

At the beginning of part 2 and until the Pain arc it seemed that their relationship was progressing in a steady enough way that many of us believed it was only a matter of time until it became canon. But then Kishimoto created the doubt once again during the Summit arc by addressing that Sakura still loved Sasuke.

Do you think Kishimoto is applying the same development of Tobi being Obito to making narusaku canon, in other words, by creating doubt in the middle of the story so the it will eventually be a plot twist when it actually happens?

Yes, yes, and...hell yes.

This is the point. The point is the romance aspect is usually considered a breaking point of a character and for many times, I see them as a big deal. I do think romance is a big deal in every media. But let's not go off topic. Let me answer this: yes, this is the same.

Okay, we, the audience, are supposed to remember these characters' traits and developments that they all have gone through, mainly the main characters. In my opinion, the databook is trying to keep us in mind that there are questions that you should wonder yourself. In the databook, they played Sakura's feelings mysterious for Naruto, because that's what we should be thinking. Even anime is playing this key to the audience. When the girl finds out they're in love with the main hero, it's a shock factor, whether you are shocked or not. I can name anime/manga that does it, but I feel like I would spoil the story. Realization can happen in the middle or towards to the end.

Now the "seed." There are ways to create a seed being planted on a heroine/love interest. It can happen early or in the middle. When the girl shows hint of interest, it is planted. If someone trying to tell her she loves this guy but couldn't finish, it's planted. For this case, it's Yamato, though arguably as one would say it happened earlier. Anyway, the buildup has been grand for this pairing and it continues to grow. The moment that the plant is almost bloom is when the girl starts questioning herself this feeling that she doesn't know for this guy. The interesting part for Naruto is that she loves Sasuke but at the same time, is it real love? Does Sasuke loves her? Does he cares? Does he shows respect? Is she happy? She fall in love too early in a shallow age, so pretty much she doesn't really know what's love. Let's put it this way, if she begins to question herself about Naruto, it's game over: NaruSaku is the winner. Otherwise, why bother it? Do you find it interesting that Yamato is captured? I mean imagine he was with Team Kakashi. A lot of things would be different. I do mean a lot. Not just fighting, but in characters' developments.

One last thing to say, about Naruto. For the last time, he won't change and won't give up. Hinata didn't plant a seed on Naruto. Why? Because hes' the one that does the development plant on his friends and even foes. Foes lasted very short (Nagato and Konan), while friends grows as friendships. The plant is finally done when they're all running to the battlefield, hence all of them talking about Naruto. Naruto has finally earned the upmost respect from everyone (not just K11). Naruto's feelings doesn't change, just matured. He only matures and motivated. Motivation is what drives him to work harder and harder. It's not his feelings change. So yeah, I am talking about the part when he meets Hinata in the field. He didn't change, just motivated. Plus he never mentioned it again during his fight against Neji because it's not about just Hinata, it's about Lee and every losers that are being bullied by guys who believe they know best. So yeah, cancel that out. Bottom line, Naruto is the same as always.

So to answer you, yes, this is a plot that Kishi created and keeps us waiting. I don't care if it's predictable. What really matters is the setup to that event. No, it's not because I'm a fan, it's because this is the story that is being told for a very long time, and a long awaited reward is what makes us think it's well worth to wait.

[Paptala]

Yea well ofcourse i hope that happens but lets hope kishi sees it that way
but idd in chapter 457 there is sign i thought i saw that part in a filler episode so i dident think much of it well you made my day lol:)
Arigatō (ありがとう xD

どういたしまして ^__^ It's always a good idea to check and see if something is actually in the manga or just in the anime - it shouldn't be difficult to remember, but with so much material in both forms, its kind of amazing that there aren't more people getting the two's moments mixed up

So if that's the case, what about Ino? Hell, she even got to hear Asuma telling her not to lose in love against Sakura. What about Lee?

My point is that people will be alone one way or another and/or will move on to another person. Why Hinata can't move on? Her love is already proclaimed to be selfish. Why she needs to be with Naruto? I don't see any reward but herself. There's no two way win like Naruto/Sakura. Understand this, there are other characters that wants to win this person's love, but in the end, it's either open ended or never happen. Hinata does have option to go on with. Hell, even anime is trying to push Neji with her. It's not canon, but you know, incest can happen, especially in Japan. Believe me, I already seen incest couple in anime, so don't be shocked. Besides, it does have a nice reward: no more unbalance between two branches.

Anyway, my point is that minor over main, let alone THE main character, feelings is seriously dumb. I'm sorry, but like I said, it will destroy Naruto's character bad. Besides, Hinata don't have third party support. Sakura does have them with three parallels, Sai, and Yamato. Even the village saw the whole hug scene. It is drawn to be romantic atmosphere even if they're not kissing or anything. The point is the mood is there.

Also, this wouldn't be the first time for shy minor character who loves the main protagonist to be alone. I watched countless anime and read so many manga, and this part isn't new to me at all. Otherwise, oh boy, a lot of mangakas are sure evil for leaving that shy girl lonely. It's not about her, it's about the main protagonist. Plain and simple. Again, when Naruto in the beginning of part 2 presented himself that he still loves Sakura, that tells me that he will not give up at all. End of part 1 was the big shot for him to leave her, but nope. Therefore, to me, it's sealed that he will never stop. Think about that.

Exactly. Last time I checked, the manga was "Naruto", not "Hinata". I get that a lot of people feel that they can connect with Hinata and want to root for her since she has that nice and sweet personality, but to let that sympathy and like for the character override the logical premise that a main character's feelings are always going to matter more than a side character's feelings when they are contradictory is rather ridiculous.

It's one thing to hope for NaruHina to happen, and to hope that Naruto eventually returns Hinata's feelings, but another to actually believe that Hinata's romantic feelings take precedence or are stronger than Naruto's romantic feelings for Hinata is another thing entirely.

This.

So glad you're our FC leader.

It seems that I'm not the only one who loves Paptala's post,they are so fun and joy to read.

Oh, Paptala, how I love your posts. Consistent wisdom and clarity. They are truly a joy to read.

Coming from you guys, that means a lot!

I agree. As I said way back on page 3 of this thread:

I agree - I feel like Sakura's confession at the summit did put them on more equal footing in the relationship in a lot of respects. I like the fact that both of them stood their grounds, and that even after such a fight, there wasn't any loss of care or affection for one another.

Now if they could just actually address the issues that were brought up by that argument, then it would be perfect, and the confession will have been even more significant in bringing those issues to light - like their tendency to keep things from one another in order to try and protect the other for example.

Naruto will confess. We know he loves Sakura, and when the time is right he will say so. Considering what a powerfully emotional speaker he can be, I expect it to be quite a moment.

YES. I can only imagine how amazing that moment will be - I mean, how many people that were cemented in their view of life, in their way of thinking had their whole world view shaken up after Naruto gave his big speech to them? Konohmaru, Neji, Gaara, Tsunade, Chiyo (sort of), Sai, Nagato and Konan.

And even though he hasn't gotten through to Sasuke yet, its really only a matter of time until he does, and his speeches to Sasuke were probably even more emotional than the others because he was much closer to Sasuke than the others. So I can only imagine how touching and powerful his confession to Sakura will be when the time comes around for it, given how she is one of the people he is closest to in the series.

Maybe so. In the case of sasusaku, it is a very common trope for the main love interest to be a "dark prince" who is stoic and respected. However, usually he will quickly fall in main girl, just because. Having said that, most of the main girls aren't very fangirl about him.

In Hinata's case, it will be the trope where the girl with the special background gets her love interest, usually because she is bullied/ crippled/ some other way to make you sympathize.

All of the Big 3 fit into their own common trope, yes. Though I feel like the trope that NS falls under (main girl/main guy, hero/tsundere) tends to occur more frequently in shounen than the other two do (or at least, SS's trope).

Well, most of Sasuke and Sakura's interaction is limited to the first half of the series. =X

Very true - on a side note, I do think its quite telling that the relationship hasn't evolved one iota on Sasuke's side since chapter 181 where he said thank you to Sakura for saving him; no individual thought towards her since then, one recollection of her with the rest of team 7, and then he shows absolutely zero emotional reaction to her at the summit (whereas he expressed eagerness at the idea of killing Kakashi, and Naruto was able to visibly effect him with his words).

For the examples, I was referring specifically to Asian dramas. Then and again, the 'bad guy' is usually a rival woman.

Ah, I see - yeah, can't say I've seen a lot of those. But I'm sure you're right.

Can someone please translate this part from japanese, because I'm convinced that this is an error, a misunderstanding.
Hinata's words are just words like all the others : Showing support for Naruto.
When she said "next time" she obviously means "on the battle field" right ? i think that the "hand by hand" means more something like "fighting together".
Same for "wait for me" after that. She tells him to wait until she arrives "to support him in his fight", not to marry him or wathever.
So please, if there is someone that understand japanese and can translate this part, please... because what Hinata said there has no sense.

Well, I can't translate from the original Japanese, but given her known feelings for Naruto, chances are that her desire to hold his hand was romantic in nature.

Still, her wanting to walk beside him could definitely be taken as platonic standing alone - Shikamaru and Kiba both expressed the same desire, the latter pretty much right after Hinata.

About Naruto's feelings for Sakura, of course she knows, this is so obvious, after stalking him all the day, she should know.

Should know is different from having proof that she does, especially when she acts in ways that make her look pretty bad if she does know.

When would she have time to stalk him after becoming part of Team 8 though, especially when he and Sakura were away on missions? It was after joining Tea 7 I feel that his feelings for Sakura really grew into actual love.

And it seems like she did after seeying Sakura hug Naruto.

Naruto didn't show anything but shock at the hug - it was a purely Sakura->Naruto moment.

Again, there is no proof that Hinata actually knows how Naruto feels about Sakura, and that lack of knowledge makes her thoughts in 573 a lot more understandable.

So please, someone translate Hinat's hand by hand part, so we neveer hear about this again, because I'm sure that this isn't good translated.
It's like the one where Naruto said she saved him twice, this is just false.

True - that was a particularly bad translation; which I can't find fixed anywhere. Naruto definitely said, "It'd be lame if you had to save me twice" - which actually makes sense unlike the other translation, because she's never saved him any other time.

Well something will happen to stop the war or rather delay it. We have kages down.

I do believe the next arc will be heavy on both team. Kakashi, as a member of main character, is getting his possibly last development. Then we hit off with Sakura, then the finale. That's how I see it. Surely, it's no coincidence. It's like I said, we focused on the minor characters, now we are entering the main characters' development. I do see team Naruto vs team Sasuke. That way it will lead to just Naruto vs. Sasuke when both team are taking care of fighting each other.

Agreed - the minor characters are getting their loose ends tied up now, so that Kishi can focus on main character development - probably Kakashi first now in this fight, and then Sakura and Sasuke, then finally Naruto at the very end.

I am still waiting that Sakura will make a heroine entrance and save Naruto's life. Like Madara about to capture him and she make her entrance.

^THIS. I'm really hoping that just like in the movie, Sakura helps out and saves Naruto in this battle. I want to see her fulfill Chiyo's words to her already about protecting someone she loves next time come to fruition.

I do worry about what Kishimoto will do with Hinata. Given how Naruto-focused she has become, I worry that she will immediately run off and try to help Naruto once the Alliance arrives, rather than stick to any Konoha 12 plan. Now I hope Kishimoto doesn't do this, but I can see it happening, with Kishi believing that this would be Hinata's natural reaction to seeing Madara hurt Naruto. Which means Naruto and the others might end up having to save her. It would shoehorn a NH moment where it didn't belong.

Only that's exactly what happened in the fight with Pein, so why would Kishi repeat the exact same thing over again?

Since they are ALL going to get there at the same time, I really think that the others won't allow Hinata to run in blindly as she did before. If someone runs in, it will likely be all of them together at the same time. If anyone goes in solo, I honestly think it will either be Sakura or Shikamaru, as they are the closest to Naruto of the group heading over there.

Until Kishi starts showing something romantic from Naruto to Hinata in return, I wouldn't be too worried about the focus on Hinata's feelings, as its at least just as likely that its just about Hinata finally resolving her feelings for Naruto.

I think we have discussed before that at the beginning of part 2 many of us believed that Tobi was Obito, but then Kishimoto gave us doubts by making him claim he was Madara. But eventually the real Madara was brought back and the Obito theory was proven true as a plot twist.

Do you guys think the same is with narusaku?

At the beginning of part 2 and until the Pain arc it seemed that their relationship was progressing in a steady enough way that many of us believed it was only a matter of time until it became canon. But then Kishimoto created the doubt once again during the Summit arc by addressing that Sakura still loved Sasuke.

Do you think Kishimoto is applying the same development of Tobi being Obito to making narusaku canon, in other words, by creating doubt in the middle of the story so the it will eventually be a plot twist when it actually happens?

Yes, I think this is exactly what Kishimoto is doing. He's laid down the foundation, but rocks the boat a bit so that there will be some tension, so that people will start to second guess, and so that he can depict the struggles and complications of bonds that he said he wanted to.

A lot of people (neutrals mainly, but some NH&/or SS shippers too) were pretty sure NaruSaku was end game before the events of the summit. It was only after that that a lot of them changed their minds.

But the thing is, that one event didn't change anything that had already come before it. It didn't mean that the moments that came before were completely platonic from Sakura's side just because she wasn't full blown in love with Naruto there.

Falling in love is a process that happens over time; to me, she was already progressing in that direction, but hadn't gotten to the end. She's close, as Kishimoto said in his interview. She just jumped the gun before she had the time to sit down and really analyze what she feels for Naruto because Sai's words achieved what he initially wanted - to get her to act; Sai just didn't think she would act so quickly or in the manner that she did, hence his feeling guilty for it afterwards.

I think that Sakura's confession was far too complicated and unclear to have been meant to close the possibility of any romantic relationship between the two - if that was the purpose, then he easily could have had anyone confirm that Sakura was lying about her feelings for Naruto instead of dancing around that issue and focusing on her feelings for Sasuke.

I also think that Kishi wouldn't have bothered to set such a foundation for a potential romantic NaruSaku relationship just to make another couple (or couples) canon that he didn't bother to lay any foundation for from both sides.

@ Narusaku4Life Excellent last post!

[Gravenimage]

Paptala your post was full of EPIC WIN!

[narusakufan122]

So I can only imagine how touching and powerful his confession to Sakura will be when the time comes around for it, given how she is one of the people he is closest to in the series.

THIS !!!

I always imagined Naruto confession to go something along the lines of :

Naruto confessing his love to her. Sakura kinda freaking out even getting angry at him for loving her.
She then goes on about how she doesn't deserve his love, how she's never able to do anything meaningfull for him, how he should find someone better. After she's done ranting she looks up towards Naruto and sees him smiling at her and looking at her in a really cute way. Then he gives a great and meaningfull speech to her about his love for her and explains in great detail why he loves, what he thinks about her and how amazing he thinks she really is. Then he hugs her. She hugs back and softly says to him "baka"(fool). When Naruto hears that he smiles. Sakura looks up , they look eachother in the eye and kiss.

What do think ? Thought that would be kinda cool if it happened.

[Nefertieh]

True but, What did Yamato wanna say :
A I can see that you really like Naruto.
or
B I can see that you really love Naruto.

there is a difference between Liking and loving

But who knows the 1 moment naruto needed too stay down (knocked out) and ofc he wakes up too soon
True i fear the same not really the save part couse i doubt hinata dies or anything. But more the part where we hope sakura will help naruto but will go too hinata instead

The language barrier really complicates things. For example, saying "I really like you" essentially means the same thing as "I love you." See this post.

It seemed to be quite logical to conclude that Yamato was suggesting more than just friendship. However, his reaction to her confession has me stumped.

[T XD]

Narusaku4Life and Paptala: great posts

THIS !!!

I always imagined Naruto confession to go something along the lines of :

Naruto confessing his love to her. Sakura kinda freaking out even getting angry at him for loving her.
She then goes on about how she doesn't deserve his love, how she's never able to do anything meaningfull for him, how he should find someone better. After she's done ranting she looks up towards Naruto and sees him smiling at her and looking at her in a really cute way. Then he gives a great and meaningfull speech to her about his love for her and explains in great detail why he loves, what he thinks about her and how amazing he thinks she really is. Then he hugs her. She hugs back and softly says to him "baka"(fool). When Naruto hears that he smiles. Sakura looks up , they look eachother in the eye and kiss.

What do think ? Thought that would be kinda cool if it happened.

The conservation will be somewhat close to this but maybe there won't be a kiss yet when he confesses cause the kiss could come in some other moment after this confession. If Kishi plans to make a kiss between the two, it will be after this confession or like you said, during the confession. Sometimes i see that the kiss could happen in a tragic moment. The kiss could be after they become a couple or in the moment when the romantic feelings of the two are shown in the same time.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@Paptala: Thank you. Your post is always great as usual.

@Nefertieh: It's like I said, romantic stuff in Japan or perhaps everywhere is a big deal. When you hear a confession, you'll be shocked, especially if it's out of the blue. By that, I mean the fact with all stuff going on and then a girl confess is like "Oh crap! Where did this come from?" For the record, Yamato most likely knows her feelings for Naruto. It's a bit odd that the fact he's away. What would be like if he was there all this time? Yamato is known for emotional support. Now that he's gone, there's no one to tell them otherwise. Funny enough, if he were to die, I could imagine his flashback will highlight his beginning, all the way to the new Team 7. He can reveal for wishful thinking for each characters in his team (Sai, Naruto, Sakura). Who knows? I do believe we will get his flashback. He is still MIA.

Here's something I want to know: Do you people believe Naruto give up on Sakura? The term "give up" for Naruto is like a curse word. Let's keep asking ourselves: Why would Kishi keep Naruto's feelings for Sakura? Why go all the trouble of hinting Sakura's possible love for Naruto? Why say "Naruto is close"? Why not say "Sakura loves Sasuke. Naruto is her good friend that helps"? Why create the movie with him still loving Sakura, especially the fact that this movie has input all the updated data (ex. Naruto knows his parents, Killer Bee, Sage mode, etc.)? Wouldn't anime just drop NaruSaku fanservice after the so-called confession failure (not the best argument but yeah still)? Why databook has to display Sakura's hidden feelings for Naruto (again, not the best but still valid)? So many more questions to ask. Besides, it's up to Sakura to find out on her own. I do think Kishi don't want Sakura to be told by other on her feelings for Naruto. It's best for the girl to figure it out on her own. Again, whether Yamato really knows or not, that statement still holds a lot. I find it funny that his statement about what is truly important connects to Itachi's statement about what made Minato strong. It's the same now that I think about it.

There are people in this world that really wants Naruto to win Sakura's love. We just got one of Japan's popular band interviewed, saying they look forward for Naruto winning over Sakura. We have two comments displaying worldwide with NaruSaku, including "Naruto falling for Sakura is great because it follows the story perfect." Remember, this is the manga that have Tobi being Obito. We don't have the power to change his direction of the manga. We only have the power to demand for more chapters as week goes by.

This may be just me but I don't see any "Heaven" on Hinata for Naruto because she's a fighter, not a support. Sakura fits here perfectly. It's no wonder Iruka pick them.

[Nefertieh]

@Nefertieh: It's like I said, romantic stuff in Japan or perhaps everywhere is a big deal. When you hear a confession, you'll be shocked, especially if it's out of the blue. By that, I mean the fact with all stuff going on and then a girl confess is like "Oh crap! Where did this come from?" For the record, Yamato most likely knows her feelings for Naruto.

I can understand that he would be surprised, but his reaction was almost comedic. It was just odd from someone who had previously seemed to know Sakura's feelings better than herself.

Here's something I want to know: Do you people believe Naruto give up on Sakura? The term "give up" for Naruto is like a curse word. Let's keep asking ourselves: Why would Kishi keep Naruto's feelings for Sakura? Why go all the trouble of hinting Sakura's possible love for Naruto? Why say "Naruto is close"? Why not say "Sakura loves Sasuke. Naruto is her good friend that helps"? Why create the movie with him still loving Sakura, especially the fact that this movie has input all the updated data (ex. Naruto knows his parents, Killer Bee, Sage mode, etc.)? Wouldn't anime just drop NaruSaku fanservice after the so-called confession failure (not the best argument but yeah still)? Why databook has to display Sakura's hidden feelings for Naruto (again, not the best but still valid)? So many more questions to ask. Besides, it's up to Sakura to find out on her own. I do think Kishi don't want Sakura to be told by other on her feelings for Naruto. It's best for the girl to figure it out on her own. Again, whether Yamato really knows or not, that statement still holds a lot. I find it funny that his statement about what is truly important connects to Itachi's statement about what made Minato strong. It's the same now that I think about it.

There are people in this world that really wants Naruto to win Sakura's love. We just got one of Japan's popular band interviewed, saying they look forward for Naruto winning over Sakura. We have two comments displaying worldwide with NaruSaku, including "Naruto falling for Sakura is great because it follows the story perfect." Remember, this is the manga that have Tobi being Obito. We don't have the power to change his direction of the manga. We only have the power to demand for more chapters as week goes by.

This may be just me but I don't see any "Heaven" on Hinata for Naruto because she's a fighter, not a support. Sakura fits here perfectly. It's no wonder Iruka pick them.

The comments from the fans and the band may not be the best thing to use in a debate. The interviews are somewhat more reliable, although there have been small discrepancies between what Kishimoto has said and what actually happened. The anime simply makes fanservice for filler.

I think a lot of people forget the fact that the story is all about Naruto empathizing and changing people, Sakura is no exception. The story begins with her perception that Naruto doesn't understand her, and is in the way of her mission for love and acknowledgement. Now, she has discovered he does understand her, both of them seek acknowledgement, and both lost the same friend. I guess it is somewhat unfortunate that Sakura's bond with is overshadowed by his and Sasuke's.

I don't think Naruto and Sakura's relationship depends on her views of Sasuke. Sasuke and Sakura, for the most part, hardly talk. She may always hold him dear, but the two don't have that bond.

[TouKen4Life3g]

The comments from the fans and the band may not be the best thing to use in a debate. The interviews are somewhat more reliable, although there have been small discrepancies between what Kishimoto has said and what actually happened. The anime simply makes fanservice for filler.

I think a lot of people forget the fact that the story is all about Naruto empathizing and changing people, Sakura is no exception. The story begins with her perception that Naruto doesn't understand her, and is in the way of her mission for love and acknowledgement. Now, she has discovered he does understand her, both of them seek acknowledgement, and both lost the same friend. I guess it is somewhat unfortunate that Sakura's bond with is overshadowed by his and Sasuke's.

I don't think Naruto and Sakura's relationship depends on her views of Sasuke. Sasuke and Sakura, for the most part, hardly talk. She may always hold him dear, but the two don't have that bond.

Well, I should have add that my main point with fans/interview is that there are people who follows Naruto's hard work and winning Sakura's love. It's not something that we just want them to pair up. Like it's not a crack pairing. If there are supporters out there, that means we are not alone. I'm not saying they are reliable source. Far from it. They're not source. My point is that NaruSaku is a possible pairing, not a fan crack pairing.

I do like the fact you mentioned about Naruto changing people. That I do agree. Here's one thing I don't get from people: if Sasuke returns, what makes you think he will love her right-a-way, let alone ever? Kishi has displaying Sakura to us as we should say, "He's not the right man, Sakura. Please move on." Sakura even said that they never talk to each other. If a person who's in love said that, then you know that this love is a lost hope. Let's always remember this. Naruto and Sakura are already close friends by the end of part 1. Sakura acknowledged that Naruto has been helping her and understands her. So why is it in part 2 Kishi developed her bonds with Naruto if he wants to keep it as friendship, let alone having Sai comment on her kindness and Yamato's statement open ended. The suspense in that page was no coincidence. I mean like how they build up to Sai telling Sakura that Naruto loves her. The next page with a big panel usually considered an impact to the moment. Look at the Yamato talking to Sakura again. It's clear that Kishi kept us hyped to see what does Yamato means. When you turn to the next page, the audience will go "Aw!" Same thing for Sakura feeding Naruto. Mangaka does use this technique in order to build tension.

Noticed the parallels all started in part 2 and the fact Kishi, before entering part 2, said he will try romance as he's not good at it. So what did we see in part 1 then? Just character development? One thing I do find it funny is that there are no guy confession (lover nin don't count, then again he only has a letter). Naruto is well known to have a speech that can change you completely. Look at Nagato. Turned good before his death. Naruto turned Gaara through fists, but his last message is what got him answered to the "love is important" situation. I have no doubt it will be Naruto that will confess to Sakura. Not to mention, this pairing is one of those usual pairing in anime/manga, let alone Shounen. Pairing is supposed to be fun and lovable. SasuSaku is more of a shoujo kind, but people forgets this is Shounen. And if Kishi doesn't know romance as he claimed it before, then he will go safe and make NaruSaku the pairing you see in a lot of anime/manga. Is that a bad thing? No, because this pairing has a well done development and seeing not being canon will hurt the manga. Not a lot, but a little. What will hurt a lot is other pairings being canon. I don't want to say it again, but I'm pretty sure people got the idea.

[PhenixElite]

Well, I should have add that my main point with fans/interview is that there are people who follows Naruto's hard work and winning Sakura's love. It's not something that we just want them to pair up. Like it's not a crack pairing. If there are supporters out there, that means we are not alone. I'm not saying they are reliable source. Far from it. They're not source. My point is that NaruSaku is a possible pairing, not a fan crack pairing.

I do like the fact you mentioned about Naruto changing people. That I do agree. Here's one thing I don't get from people: if Sasuke returns, what makes you think he will love her right-a-way, let alone ever? Kishi has displaying Sakura to us as we should say, "He's not the right man, Sakura. Please move on." Sakura even said that they never talk to each other. If a person who's in love said that, then you know that this love is a lost hope. Let's always remember this. Naruto and Sakura are already close friends by the end of part 1. Sakura acknowledged that Naruto has been helping her and understands her. So why is it in part 2 Kishi developed her bonds with Naruto if he wants to keep it as friendship, let alone having Sai comment on her kindness and Yamato's statement open ended. The suspense in that page was no coincidence. I mean like how they build up to Sai telling Sakura that Naruto loves her. The next page with a big panel usually considered an impact to the moment. Look at the Yamato talking to Sakura again. It's clear that Kishi kept us hyped to see what does Yamato means. When you turn to the next page, the audience will go "Aw!" Same thing for Sakura feeding Naruto. Mangaka does use this technique in order to build tension.

Noticed the parallels all started in part 2 and the fact Kishi, before entering part 2, said he will try romance as he's not good at it. So what did we see in part 1 then? Just character development? One thing I do find it funny is that there are no guy confession (lover nin don't count, then again he only has a letter). Naruto is well known to have a speech that can change you completely. Look at Nagato. Turned good before his death. Naruto turned Gaara through fists, but his last message is what got him answered to the "love is important" situation. I have no doubt it will be Naruto that will confess to Sakura. Not to mention, this pairing is one of those usual pairing in anime/manga, let alone Shounen. Pairing is supposed to be fun and lovable. SasuSaku is more of a shoujo kind, but people forgets this is Shounen. And if Kishi doesn't know romance as he claimed it before, then he will go safe and make NaruSaku the pairing you see in a lot of anime/manga. Is that a bad thing? No, because this pairing has a well done development and seeing not being canon will hurt the manga. Not a lot, but a little. What will hurt a lot is other pairings being canon. I don't want to say it again, but I'm pretty sure people got the idea.

Thats the deal

[Nefertieh]

Well, I should have add that my main point with fans/interview is that there are people who follows Naruto's hard work and winning Sakura's love. It's not something that we just want them to pair up. Like it's not a crack pairing. If there are supporters out there, that means we are not alone. I'm not saying they are reliable source. Far from it. They're not source. My point is that NaruSaku is a possible pairing, not a fan crack pairing.

I cannot imagine how anybody can call narusaku a crack pairing. It seems quite evident that there are supporters if there is an entire forum dedicated to the pairing.

I do like the fact you mentioned about Naruto changing people. That I do agree. Here's one thing I don't get from people: if Sasuke returns, what makes you think he will love her right-a-way, let alone ever?

Huh? I never said Sasuke will love Sakura. What part of my comment makes you think I did? o.o

Kishi has displaying Sakura to us as we should say, "He's not the right man, Sakura. Please move on." Sakura even said that they never talk to each other. If a person who's in love said that, then you know that this love is a lost hope. Let's always remember this. Naruto and Sakura are already close friends by the end of part 1. Sakura acknowledged that Naruto has been helping her and understands her. So why is it in part 2 Kishi developed her bonds with Naruto if he wants to keep it as friendship, let alone having Sai comment on her kindness and Yamato's statement open ended. The suspense in that page was no coincidence. I mean like how they build up to Sai telling Sakura that Naruto loves her. The next page with a big panel usually considered an impact to the moment. Look at the Yamato talking to Sakura again. It's clear that Kishi kept us hyped to see what does Yamato means. When you turn to the next page, the audience will go "Aw!" Same thing for Sakura feeding Naruto. Mangaka does use this technique in order to build tension.

I don't think Kishimoto is saying Sasuke isn't the 'right man' for her, but that her own image of Sasuke isn't aligned with reality to begin with. I'm not sure if the rest of your comment was a respond to mine, or if you're making a new point entirely.

Noticed the parallels all started in part 2 and the fact Kishi, before entering part 2, said he will try romance as he's not good at it. So what did we see in part 1 then? Just character development? One thing I do find it funny is that there are no guy confession (lover nin don't count, then again he only has a letter). Naruto is well known to have a speech that can change you completely. Look at Nagato. Turned good before his death. Naruto turned Gaara through fists, but his last message is what got him answered to the "love is important" situation. I have no doubt it will be Naruto that will confess to Sakura. Not to mention, this pairing is one of those usual pairing in anime/manga, let alone Shounen. Pairing is supposed to be fun and lovable. SasuSaku is more of a shoujo kind, but people forgets this is Shounen. And if Kishi doesn't know romance as he claimed it before, then he will go safe and make NaruSaku the pairing you see in a lot of anime/manga. Is that a bad thing? No, because this pairing has a well done development and seeing not being canon will hurt the manga. Not a lot, but a little. What will hurt a lot is other pairings being canon. I don't want to say it again, but I'm pretty sure people got the idea.

Actually, sasusaku isn't exactly shoujo either. Usually the characters fall in love quickly, the guy is a "caring jerk," and the main girl is the only "non-fangirl" in the vicinity.

Edited by Nefertieh, 18 September 2012 - 04:18 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I cannot imagine how anybody can call narusaku a crack pairing. It seems quite evident that there are supporters if there is an entire forum dedicated to the pairing.



Huh? I never said Sasuke will love Sakura. What part of my comment makes you think I did? o.o



I don't think Kishimoto is saying Sasuke isn't the 'right man' for her, but that her own image of Sasuke isn't aligned with reality to begin with. I'm not sure if the rest of your comment was a respond to mine, or if you're making a new point entirely.



Actually, sasusaku isn't exactly shoujo either. Usually the characters fall in love quickly, the guy is a "caring jerk," and the main girl is the only "non-fangirl" in the vicinity.

Oh sorry, I didn't mean to add words to your post. My apologies. I was on the zone.

I can understand you completely now. I was just addressing more stuff. New point entirely I guess you can say.

I don't read that many Shoujo to be honest. I read some but you are right. It's not even in Shoujo level. So my mistake everyone.

[Transformers03]

Oh sorry, I didn't mean to add words to your post. My apologies. I was on the zone.

I can understand you completely now. I was just addressing more stuff. New point entirely I guess you can say.

I don't read that many Shoujo to be honest. I read some but you are right. It's not even in Shoujo level. So my mistake everyone.

So it doesn't even follow the Shoujo formula, so Sasusaku doesn't follow any romantic pairings that get together in the end.
Sooooooooooo.........................it has nothing to go by, OTHER than the fact that Sakura likes Sasuke.......................which has been show to not be a good thing.

[Lady_duckish]

Crack pairings are pairings that have never had, and will never have a chance of happening. Something like Sakura/Itachi . It's popular, but it's still a crack pairing. As of now NaruSaku is a non canon pairing, but in no way is it crack .