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[ultranx]

Ho boy! Ho boy! I really need an IQ check after this one.

OMG XD

[Yyubie]

Ho boy! Ho boy! I really need an IQ check after this one.

Hes getting bold each day because hes getting feed a lot.

Edited by Yyubie, 15 July 2017 - 09:55 AM.

[VanitasDS76491]

give me a chance to type dude. here, I requoted for you to see it.
 
As I said there are 2 choices. unfortunately that would have made it obvious to put Naruto and Sakura together, and mean Hinata couldn't have Naruto. And honestly would have been better to hear more about Naruto and Sakura's families too.But the big focus on Sasuke and the Uchihas.
 
So the question is:
Who's more important, 2 main characters, Sakura and Naruto? Or the side character moe girl and the main character anti hero. Sasuke and Hinata. In my opinion, Naruto and Sakura should have been more important, they were for most of the manga almost. Hence the manga goes against your "ending".
 
Let me give you another example:
Naruto and Sakura became the Ash and Pikachu of naruto, but both human, and possibly love interests, one in love with the other already. This is the issue. with pokemon, Ash and Pikachu have become more important than the characters, story, and journey. with naruto, Sasuke and Hinata became more important than the characters, story, and journey. and the story and journey were more connected to Naruto and Sakura than every other character, which means the manga contradicts it all.
 
Naruto and Sakura you could say are like Vegeta and Bulma, but Naruto and Sakura are main characters. 
Just like Naruto and Sakura are the most well written and most loved characters in naruto, or at least they would have been if done right, Vegeta and Bulma are the most loved and well written male and female characters respectively in dragon ball, and are done right.

Well kishi couldn't get sasuke's kitten out his ass to do to that. Hell may way of doing the Naruto series Sakura isn't a fan and very strong having alot of powers from others since my version of naruto and it's backstory is a long crossover with other series. Naruto and Sakura have a very close brother and sister relationship where she's very protective of him and cares about him and will show her feelings around people, if ask I pair her with an oc of mine named Thorin who is Sakura future husband along with a half sister of sasuke named satsuki who marries thorin who naruto is very close to as well. The fight in forest of death go different against Dosu group and Sakura uses her satan soul like mira has. And in the preliminary Sakura fights Hinata who amps herself on bane's venom and turns into a cross spices version of rhino from spiderman.

[ultranx]

Well kishi couldn't get sasuke's kitten out his ass to do to that. Hell may way of doing the Naruto series Sakura isn't a fan and very strong having alot of powers from others since my version of naruto and it's backstory is a long crossover with other series. Naruto and Sakura have a very close brother and sister relationship where she's very protective of him and cares about him and will show her feelings around people, if ask I pair her with an oc of mine named Thorin who is Sakura future husband along with a half sister of sasuke named satsuki who marries thorin who naruto is very close to as well. The fight in forest of death go different against Dosu group and Sakura uses her satan soul like mira has. And in the preliminary Sakura fights Hinata who amps herself on bane's venom and turns into a cross spices version of rhino from spiderman.

hey, its better than kishimoto's writing, so more power to you xD knowledge is power after all, and with great power, comes great responsibility.....yes, I did quote spider man xD 

 

"but ultranx, you've barely read any spiderman comics, so how can you say you know anything about spider man?" well, true, I've mostly watched the shows and movies, including the spiderman cartoon, the really good one. and I've read the renew your vows comics you guys told me about.

 

the older classic spider man theme is better though I admit:

 

same with superman, I've watched the entire trilogy of the superman movies, man of steel, the superman doomsday movie, the entirety of smallville, the old superman cartoon 90s cartoon alongside the batman cartoon and justice league and justice league unlimited, and even some of the older cartoons on boomerang, and barely read the superman comics, but I must have an idea of why people like superman right?

 

batman is better than superman though xD superman, going by the comics, always continues to beat himself up for not being human, over and over again. smallville on the other hand was awesome xD maybe because it had an end? even if it was all the story leading up to him becoming superman, the story of clark kent? hmm I wonder. heck I even like lois and clark xD

 

don't get me started on scifi shows, and action movies xD

 

also being random, dbz fans may enjoy this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS-HiOzcjJg

 

to anyone who enjoyed spongebob before the writer left, I also found this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYbXsGNPNQQ

 

also here's an interview pre road to ninja, between voice actors, in eng subs

road to ninja is still my favorite naruto movie, I still own a copy, because I loved its focus on family, and the relationship between naruto and sakura xD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynnnKGkcPyc

 

oh look, straight from the voice actor's mouth, never give up is a theme of naruto, and naruto gave up xD

 

also if anyone would like to join me on my google+ pokeshipping discussion about pokemon movie 20 and life in general, and even about road to ninja xD here:

https://plus.google....500105289867286

Edited by ultranx, 15 July 2017 - 12:59 PM.

[ultranx]

Why are we discussing Spider-Man in a NS debate topic?

Naruto didn't give up, still.

Hinata is not a Moe character. She stands up for herself and others, I.e. Not submissive. It's also worth noting her combat style puts her on the front line, not a good idea for someone who is helpless. The Anime plays up things that give this illusion, but the hard truth is that it doesn't fit.

because you're using the anime as your source......not the original manga.....and the moe character thing has already been proven dude, did you even read shadow wolf's comment, or even research it?  or are you too lazy?

 

"will ash and misty ever become pokemon masters?"

guess not brock, except in our stories and not the official work, and in our hearts.

 

source:

 

game over:

 

wow, just how many game over sequences are there in video games 0.o  

no wonder my brother loves looking these up xD

 

my friend brian got me into gurren laggan, recently suggested NO GAME NO LIFE, maybe I should try it, man the opening is good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQCax11Q0Bs

Edited by ultranx, 15 July 2017 - 03:36 PM.

[rocci]

Naruto never gave up, though.
 
I'm not sure where that statement is coming from.

He did give up on sakura.

[ultranx]

He did give up on sakura.

agreed.

[ultranx]

Naruto never had a romantic goal of getting Sakura. He had feelings for her, but it was never a "I want you as my partner" mindset, as established by the manga. The manga clearly shows us that it isn't going that path in its latter half.

so we were right then? you don't care for naruto and sakura as a couple, naruto and sakura as best friends, or even naruto and sakura as characters? but hinata and sasuke you're all for? because hinata and sasuke must be oh so perfect, and can't maybe, idk, NOT BE REALISTIC PROJECTIONS OF PEOPLE AND RELATABLE IN REAL LIFE AT ALL?

 

case closed.

Edited by ultranx, 15 July 2017 - 03:59 PM.

[ultranx]

No, you're quite wrong. I'll state this: The Naruto manga has no romance. Bar a moment in 699 and the Last, there isn't any.

There is NS development. I liked the pair, and hoped like the rest of you it would go towards it. But the last hundred chapters made it clear, thoufh I made the mistake of not being logical and trying to read anything that might make it not so. Then it was so, and I stopped all things Naruto for a long time.

wrong, naruto had romance, guess what series basically didn't for the most part and never had a huge focus on romance like you said, but is still better than naruto to this day, the series it was supposedly inspired by:

 

I believe we are done here?

 

 

also to add to this, well what do you know, people say they hate dragon ball fillers, yet there is one filler they always fail to mention:

goku and piccolo driving test

 

and most fillers were written well enough they didn't ruin the story, for alot of toonami fans, meanwhile with naruto, you have stuff like the ending, and naruhina, going against stuff like the mecha naruto filler episodes, I wonder why, oh, naruto and sakura.

 

fillers in dbz kept me hooked, naruto fillers drove me away. I wonder why.

 

I must be pairing biased though right? because the driving test episode must have pairings involved right? nope, it was a comedic episode in its entirety, and much better than spongebob after the original writer left. i wonder why.

 

I WILL NEVER GIVE UP, LIKE NARUTO SHOULD HAVE DONE, THE END.

Edited by ultranx, 15 July 2017 - 04:27 PM.

[Illnevergiveup3]

Naruto never had a romantic goal of getting Sakura. He had feelings for her, but it was never a "I want you as my partner" mindset, as established by the manga. The manga clearly shows us that it isn't going that path in its latter half.

he actually stated it in the Manga. When he was going with Jiraiya before the 3 year time skip. He specifically stated that winning her heart was one of his goals. As a matter of fact, Kishi even bolded the text for us to see.

[ultranx]

he actually stated it in the Manga. When he was going with Jiraiya before the 3 year time skip. He specifically stated that winning her heart was one of his goals. As a matter of fact, Kishi even bolded the text for us to see.

SO MANY GOOD COMMENTS TODAY I WANT TO LIKE, BUT OUT OF LIKES, GLORIOUS, EVEN IN THE ONE PIECE THREAD!!!!

ALSO ONE PIECE CHAPTERS 871 AND 872:

http://www.mangapand...m/one-piece/871

http://www.mangapand...m/one-piece/872

 

WHEN WE ALL COLLECTIVELY WORK TOGETHER AND NEVER GIVE UP, WE CAN DO ANYTHING, EXAMPLE:

TWITCH PLAYS POKEMON

I NEED TO BINGE WATCH THIS:

Edited by ultranx, 15 July 2017 - 04:38 PM.

[Illnevergiveup3]

@Analyzer, I'll be responding to your other post later on today once I get to my laptop.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

and this is why I feel a good fanfiction like "the best dates are the cheap ones" debunks your argument and why the ending is more of a bad fanfiction. because on that date, a date crashing a wedding and having the time of your life, was more fun than a formal dinner. and that's the kind of date naruto would go on, something unpredictable, he's the most unpredictable ninja. ryu hayabusa is a better ninja than him after this ending:

 

http://www.fanfictio..._the_Cheap_Ones enjoy xD

 

and oh look when we changed the topic you twisted it around right back to the old topic. why am I not surprised....

 

also YES, love your suggestion  lux xD I ran out of likes again but I'll remember to like it tomorrow xD

Aside from "Ninjutsu", the story was barely that "ninja-esque" since the beginning, but it at least had some elements, like sneak attacking / ambushing, assassination, more complex strategy and tactics, etc., but after I'd say as early as after the Chunin Exams, it very quickly ended up devolving into Dragon Ball wannabe battles, and especially so with part two and beyond, where it just became about power, power, and more power smashing into each other until one couldn't keep going anymore or was completely blown away.
 

 

because you're using the anime as your source......not the original manga.....and the moe character thing has already been proven dude, did you even read shadow wolf's comment, or even research it?  or are you too lazy?

 

"will ash and misty ever become pokemon masters?"

guess not brock, except in our stories and not the official work, and in our hearts.

 

source:

 

game over:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiFcZIw4scE

 

wow, just how many game over sequences are there in video games 0.o  

no wonder my brother loves looking these up xD

 

my friend brian got me into gurren laggan, recently suggested NO GAME NO LIFE, maybe I should try it, man the opening is good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQCax11Q0Bs

Sadly, it doesn't seem like, at least anime-wise, Ash will ever be allowed to truly develop as a trainer and person, much less be allowed to become an actual Pokemon Master. Pokemon has a formula that still somehow works, so if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.

Unfortunately, such repetition in a number of areas is why I ended up growing out of Pokemon after the first few games and ended up getting more into Digimon. Whether good or bad, there's no denying that Digimon is willing to try out different things, have a different, actual overall plot with each series (Pokemon is essentially a glorified tournament series overall, dragged out with "character of the week" episodes in-between the gym matches and such), use different characters (who actually develop), use actual threatening antagonists (capable of ruling / destroying two entire dimensions as opposed to three incompetent stooges who should have been fired long ago), etc. But then again, this is also because of the different demographics they're targeted at - Pokemon for children up to 10 years old, Digimon for ages 13+.

[ultranx]

Aside from "Ninjutsu", the story was barely that "ninja-esque" since the beginning, but it at least had some elements, like sneak attacking / ambushing, assassination, more complex strategy and tactics, etc., but after I'd say as early as after the Chunin Exams, it very quickly ended up devolving into Dragon Ball wannabe battles, and especially so with part two and beyond, where it just became about power, power, and more power smashing into each other until one couldn't keep going anymore or was completely blown away.
 

 

Sadly, it doesn't seem like, at least anime-wise, Ash will ever be allowed to truly develop as a trainer and person, much less be allowed to become an actual Pokemon Master. Pokemon has a formula that still somehow works, so if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.

Unfortunately, such repetition in a number of areas is why I ended up growing out of Pokemon after the first few games and ended up getting more into Digimon. Whether good or bad, there's no denying that Digimon is willing to try out different things, have a different, actual overall plot with each series (Pokemon is essentially a glorified tournament series overall, dragged out with "character of the week" episodes in-between the gym matches and such), use different characters (who actually develop), use actual threatening antagonists (capable of ruling / destroying two entire dimensions as opposed to three incompetent stooges who should have been fired long ago), etc. But then again, this is also because of the different demographics they're targeted at - Pokemon for children up to 10 years old, Digimon for ages 13+.

agreed, and I love both digimon and pokemon, but digimon more, I wonder why xD

[ultranx]

 

Where was this? I did a quick scan and couldn't find what you are referring to.

 

The other thing, assuming the above is true, is why can't a goal change? As far as I understand, if this was a goal, it was very much dead down the road.

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/236/

 

 

this chapter was the start of sakura changing from her fangirl self centered around sasuke.

and it talks about the promise of a lifetime, still looking for the chapter nevergiveup3 is talking about.

must be before this chapter though, since the first chapter of shippuden is 245

[Illnevergiveup3]

 

Where was this? I did a quick scan and couldn't find what you are referring to.

 

The other thing, assuming the above is true, is why can't a goal change? As far as I understand, if this was a goal, it was very much dead down the road.

it's pretty clear that the goal never changed even through the War Arc he was referring to her as his girlfriend even to his dead father. Especially considering that she is the woman that he has been in love with since day one. Even in chapter 693 it looked like it pained him after her "declaration of love." to Sasuke. It's pretty clear where his heart lies and always will lie.

Edited by Illnevergiveup3, 15 July 2017 - 05:03 PM.

[Illnevergiveup3]

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/236/

 

 

this chapter was the start of sakura changing from her fangirl self centered around sasuke.

and it talks about the promise of a lifetime, still looking for the chapter nevergiveup3 is talking about.

must be before this chapter though, since the first chapter of shippuden is 245

it was when when he was leaving with Jiaraya. I will have to find the chapter.

[ultranx]

it was when when he was leaving with Jiaraya. I will have to find the chapter.

WAIT, IT CAN'T BE.....could it be the first trip with jiraiya, to find tsunade?!!!!!

 

begin search nevergiveup3

 

CHAPTERS 139 TO 171

Edited by ultranx, 15 July 2017 - 05:07 PM.

[Illnevergiveup3]

WAIT, IT CAN'T BE.....could it be the first trip with jiraiya, to find tsunade?!!!!!

no, if I remember correctly it was AFTER he made the Promise to Sakura-Chan. It was before the time skip.

[VanitasDS76491]

hey, its better than kishimoto's writing, so more power to you xD knowledge is power after all, and with great power, comes great responsibility.....yes, I did quote spider man xD 
 
"but ultranx, you've barely read any spiderman comics, so how can you say you know anything about spider man?" well, true, I've mostly watched the shows and movies, including the spiderman cartoon, the really good one. and I've read the renew your vows comics you guys told me about.

 
the older classic spider man theme is better though I admit:

 
same with superman, I've watched the entire trilogy of the superman movies, man of steel, the superman doomsday movie, the entirety of smallville, the old superman cartoon 90s cartoon alongside the batman cartoon and justice league and justice league unlimited, and even some of the older cartoons on boomerang, and barely read the superman comics, but I must have an idea of why people like superman right?
 
batman is better than superman though xD superman, going by the comics, always continues to beat himself up for not being human, over and over again. smallville on the other hand was awesome xD maybe because it had an end? even if it was all the story leading up to him becoming superman, the story of clark kent? hmm I wonder. heck I even like lois and clark xD
 
don't get me started on scifi shows, and action movies xD
 
also being random, dbz fans may enjoy this:
https://www.youtube....h?v=BS-HiOzcjJg
 
to anyone who enjoyed spongebob before the writer left, I also found this:
https://www.youtube....h?v=fYbXsGNPNQQ
 
also here's an interview pre road to ninja, between voice actors, in eng subs
road to ninja is still my favorite naruto movie, I still own a copy, because I loved its focus on family, and the relationship between naruto and sakura xD
https://www.youtube....h?v=ynnnKGkcPyc
 
oh look, straight from the voice actor's mouth, never give up is a theme of naruto, and naruto gave up xD
 
also if anyone would like to join me on my google+ pokeshipping discussion about pokemon movie 20 and life in general, and even about road to ninja xD here:
https://plus.google....500105289867286

The 90's spiderman cartoon was awesome and partly cause I have a crush on that version of black cat. But Ya it was good that show and adapted the event comic secret wars in the last 5 episodes of the show and the ending was good that he used uncle Ben to help spider carnage.
You see homecoming yet cause it's great but spiderman 2 with doc ock is still the best.
Ya responsibility something no one in naruto ever did not even naruto himself. Everyone in naruto are the most irresponsible characters ever.
I've only read if few superman and batman but most of what I know like you is from the shows and movies and games. The first to superman movie with Christopher reeve were great and watching him gave hope watching it.