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[六道仙人]

ramen, did you watch the movie?

[rocci]

@rikudo
The ss thing could come from sasuke, sakura, salad, or all of them.
Personally I think the love story gonna be flesh out by salad as the next heroine.

[redrose3443]

I really wonder how Bolt's gonna do, given the fact that a majority of his fandom hates the series. The hero is now a scumbag, the glorified side character's hate grows by the day, the heroine is now pitied, because of the way SP are treating her, and the anti-hero is being used to lure in his fans.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Bolt's movie got cancelled or did terrible in the BO, since the only reason why the Last did so well, was due to false advertizing and no refunds.

 

Also, welcome back Ramen.

[Lady Lys]

I never said that SS is the main couple xD. But just it's the greatest hetero fandom in japn numerically. And, by making SS official in the epilogue, he did put them out of the radar in order so to competely focus on NH. I know that putting the decoy in the epilogue and then not show any hints about SS in the movie was a bad marketing move lol. But Kishi always showed that he doesn't able to deal with SS stuff..

Yep. (sì comunque mi ero incartata io con l'inglese. L'inglese mi ha tradita!  )

If he's so unable to deal with it he shouldn't have made it canon  . Well, we know he's an ass so it's kind of a lost battle....

 

Anyway I'm loving that people are hating on NH....

you reap what you sow Kishi....and SP....

[redrose3443]

Here Ramen, SS family photo; http://auto.img.v4.s..._3_XwFGd00P.jpg

[rocci]

I really wonder how Bolt's gonna do, given the fact that a majority of his fandom hates the series. The hero is now a scumbag, the glorified side character's hate grows by the day, the heroine is now pitied, because of the way SP are treating her, and the anti-hero is being used to lure in his fans.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Bolt's movie got cancelled or did terrible in the BO, since the only reason why the Last did so well, was due to false advertizing and no refunds.
 
Also, welcome back Ramen.

To know if burito mangaka a succes or not, we should see from the volume sales.

I don't think they will cancel the movie, but they could change the focus for next movie if burito failed. Naruto, no matter how kitten it become, is a popular manga.

The target of this kind of franchise is casual fan.

[ramenanmitsu]

How did SS didn't also destroyed it  when they go hand in hand with NH ? Here is were I disagree with this view  Sasuke maybe also a MC and the story revolve around him  but he's not the MC  the one this story is about   its not about  Sasuke working and achieving his dreams    the tittle is Naruto   , saying its ok bc he's also a MC  and more popular   its the same thing Hinata was chosen to be the New Heroine by Kishi   that was his freaking reason . So how is SS  becoming canon is ok when it goes against every single theme that was presented in this manga  ? Its abomination and in the end Sasuke turns as a Hero free of everything and gets the girl that Naruto loved  SS also played its part into this destruction . I understand what Hinata did  and ruined everything completely  but this movie wasn't the only thing   the ending of the manga itself 699/700  did that at the start just not on the degree the movie did  which is more severe .  I just can't see that as justification  bc its wrong  for the same reasons of Hinata "popularity"  did all of this  and its not Just SP but Kishimoto himself  also his sexist comments should be more then enough  for people to why SS also has a part of this kitten and is no different then NH .

The thing you should understand is ppl didn't think of chapter 700 as horrible which had SS and NH. So you can see that people are alright with these two pairings up to this point although some ppl stated that this ending must be a genjutsu.

It's only the movie that made people hate the whole NARUTO story because it went back on it's themes and made the characters terribly OOC. And what was this whole movie about? NH. SS didn't appear. An NH movie destroyed the manga. Were it a movie of SS that did the same, people would have hated that pair. ( although not as much as NH because both Sakura and Sasuke are main characters). I hope this gives you an understanding of how Japanese ppl view SS and NH differently.

  

ramen, did you watch the movie?

Do you think I'm a masochist?

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 02 January 2015 - 11:17 AM.

[六道仙人]

Yep. (sì comunque mi ero incartata io con l'inglese. L'inglese mi ha tradita!  )

If he's so unable to deal with it he shouldn't have made it canon  . Well, we know he's an ass so it's kind of a lost battle....

 

Anyway I'm loving that people are hating on NH....

you reap what you sow Kishi....and SP....

 

u r joking... I think how he did deal with SS is awesome. The double murder attempts with the kunai and the chidori made my kokoro doki doki   even if I am a man I am not apathetic in the face of a pure love. And when he always told her "You're really annoying"??? Kishimoto knows really about adult and hot romance. No wonder why his favorite romance movie is '500 days of summer'.   Or when he said her like "You are useless", or "Stay out of my business, or when in the hospital he threw the apple that Sakura did peel for him?

[ichigo500]

@Ramenanmitsu Sasuke did a 180 because he was only a tool...he was the last obstacle between Naruto and the hokage title ...remember what Naruto used to say "how can I become hokage when I can't even bring back and save one friend"
But in a certain way, they focused more on Sasuke than Naruto in part II that we were waiting for something more big in the end...then he resolved everything in one chapter ! Imo, chapter 698 was absolutely beautiful, knowing what sasuke thought about naruto was great, but everything after that was soo rushed and terrible that it became hard to accept

[redrose3443]

To know if burito mangaka a succes or not, we should see from the volume sales.

I don't think they will cancel the movie, but they could change the focus for next movie if burito failed. Naruto, no matter how kitten it become, is a popular manga.

The target of this kind of franchise is casual fan.

 

It all depends on the plot for part three, imo. Yes, people loved Naruto, but why should anyone care about Bolt, whose just a rehashed version of Naruto?

 

The problem with creating a part three, means that Naruto failed in everything he said he would do in part two. He already took short cuts, gave up on the girl, and is a neglectful father. If there are still enemies to face in part three, wouldn't that mean he failed to bring peace to the world?

 

But, if there are no enemies, then what the hell would be interesting enough to make people follow a whole new character, where all their previous favorites get sidelined for? I'm not saying it will bomb, but I just can't see how it would do to well, even if I see your point.

[Lady Lys]

 

u r joking... I think how he did deal with SS is awesome. The double murder attempts with the kunai and the chidori made my kokoro doki doki   even if I am a man I am not apathetic in the face of a pure love. And when he always told her "You're really annoying"??? Kishimoto knows really about adult and hot romance. No wonder why his favorite romance movie is '500 days of summer'.   Or when he said her like "You are useless", or "Stay out of my business, or when in the hospital he threw the apple that Sakura did peel for him?

I fought his favorite romance was 50 shades of grey?!   I've been mislead! Again!

It was totally a mating tactic of the Sauce! And here we fought he wanted to kill her! He just wanted to bang her. 

 

Apparently I've been living  a lie. 

[ramenanmitsu]

@Ramenanmitsu Sasuke did a 180 because he was only a tool...he was the last obstacle between Naruto and the hokage title ...remember what Naruto used to say "how can I become hokage when I can't even bring back and save one friend"
But in a certain way, they focused more on Sasuke than Naruto in part II that we were waiting for something more big in the end...then he resolved everything in one chapter ! Imo, chapter 698 was absolutely beautiful, knowing what sasuke thought about naruto was great, but everything after that was soo rushed and terrible that it became hard to accept

  
I actually hate chapter 698. Sasuke easily gave up on his goals so easily for a friendship he "suddenly" realized. That is not the Sasuke I came to love.

It all depends on the plot for part three, imo. Yes, people loved Naruto, but why should anyone care about Bolt, whose just a rehashed version of Naruto?
 
The problem with creating a part three, means that Naruto failed in everything he said he would do in part two. He already took short cuts, gave up on the girl, and is a neglectful father. If there are still enemies to face in part three, wouldn't that mean he failed to bring peace to the world?
 
But, if there are no enemies, then what the hell would be interesting enough to make people follow a whole new character, where all their previous favorites get sidelined for? I'm not saying it will bomb, but I just can't see how it would do to well, even if I see your point.

He failed in a lot of things. What's a few more?

[Atheck]

 

because this movie had to be about only NH since the MC is Hinata Naruto. If he put also their (SS) scenes then, even just a little, he would have obscured totally the main theme which is the love story between NH. Anyway, I didn't say that he cared more about SS than NH, but he did a such choice because SS is the greatest hetero fandom in japan. In a short, he cared about popularity, not about the quality and his own preference for the couple. Just a mere question of money. Besides he said that he will focus on SS too in the next movie and in the mini serie about Bolt. You know that has not kittening sense if Hinata is really more popular than Sakura.

 

The one who originally brought up the lack of any on-screen SS evolution into a marital relationship is Nakamura. Kishi only entertained the possibility of exploring how it came to be in the summer film. He gave no assurances that we would indeed see that travesty moulded together, and frankly, with the sacrifices that were made to give Hinata her undeserved scumbag of a husband, the costs might very well be equally as great with Sasuke since he was also mutated into a penitent wanderer who abandoned his team that have faithfully remained at his side throughout his descent into madness and suddenly came to understand Sakura's most heartfelt wishes.

 

That tale is better left untold, if you ask me. The likelihood of its execution being convincing or faithful to the established personalities of characters is nil.

 

Kishi can't even make good on the promises he makes for Sakura. His handling of her character has been a source of enormous controversy for a long time now. Whatever role she plays will likely have just the bare minimum of story involvement - assuming she even has a central role left. And you can be certain that Pierrot will do everything in their power to marginalise her with Hinata somehow. Let's not forget that they're self-proclaimed Hinata fanboys. They resent Sakura, Sasuke, and SasuSaku as a whole. Whatever hoops Kishi manages to jump through for this pairing to receive on-screen recognition will be half-assed with standard budget animation and funds donated to it, at best.

 

The film isn't even intended for SS. Its focal point is supposed to be the Hinata spawn. Sasuke is merely a side attraction that's being dangled over the noses of fans to wet their appetites and have them pay interest to the spin-off. And besides Nakamura's inquiry to Kishi, Sakura hasn't been brought up once whenever the discussion was centred around the subject matter of the film. Part of me isn't even expecting Naruto to play an important role in it - assuming Junko has indeed chosen to leave the cast once Shippuden is over. What chance does Sakura have of ever being relevant again now that she's a single parent tending to the dust on bookshelves?

Edited by Atheck, 02 January 2015 - 11:31 AM.

[ichigo500]

@ Atheck, I couldn't ask all the questions you wanted, because of mine and the girl's poor english . 

I asked her about Junko => Probably Junko will do the voice of the naruto by a bolt movie.She may not like endings.(I feel so me to be, too)However, she will do a naruto because she is a voice actor of the naruto.

About SasuSaku => Some fans understand サスサク. However,there are many people who do not understand it. However,there are more people understanding it than ナルヒナ.

About the new characters => A new character has many favorite people. I have not heard a bolt and the romance of the salad. Probably there is not it.

About Karin =>I am dissatisfied with handling of karin. However, there are many people who do not mind it.Because ナルヒナ and サスサク attract attention, there is a person forgetting karin.

 

Delete this direct messageHowever, she will do a naruto because she is a voice actor of the naruto.

[FireFox]

The thing you should understand is ppl didn't think of chapter 700 as horrible which had SS and NH. So you can see that people are alright with these two pairings up to this point although some ppl stated that this ending must be a genjutsu.

It's only the movie that made people hate the whole NARUTO story because it went back on it's themes and made the characters terribly OOC. And what was this whole movie about? NH. SS didn't appear. An NH movie destroyed the manga. Were it a movie of SS that did the same, people would have hated that pair. ( although not as much as NH because both Sakura and Sasuke are main characters). I hope this gives you an understanding of how Japanese ppl view SS and NH differently.

  Do you think I'm a masochist?

Well I can't see how 699/700 didn't ruin Naruto the characters especially Sakura and its themes  but I think I understand  what you are saying bc in there there were not given any reason for why exactly the parings and this ending happened so maybe they can swallow it somehow  I can see that , and yes if it was SS and was played like this it would have been hated also  . I just think its kind of a poor reasoning  bc its kinda based  on screening and popularity  you know but of course there are also people who see it our way . 

 

Aren't there any Anti SS threads in there or anti NS bc of this movie or they sympathize with us ?  

 

     .

[ichigo500]

The thing you should understand is ppl didn't think of chapter 700 as horrible which had SS and NH. So you can see that people are alright with these two pairings up to this point although some ppl stated that this ending must be a genjutsu.

It's only the movie that made people hate the whole NARUTO story because it went back on it's themes and made the characters terribly OOC. And what was this whole movie about? NH. SS didn't appear. An NH movie destroyed the manga. Were it a movie of SS that did the same, people would have hated that pair. ( although not as much as NH because both Sakura and Sasuke are main characters). I hope this gives you an understanding of how Japanese ppl view SS and NH differently.

  Do you think I'm a masochist?

Hum...I didn't understand a thing,Pairings aside, did they think that chapter 700 was horrible or not ? 

And what about the Sakura's character assassination in 699 ? Are they okay with it because it's SS or...? 

[Lady Lys]

Oh derp! I just realized something! 

 

The only character that wasn't ruined in the ending was Hinata. Because there was nothing to ruin, she's already a kitten character on her own. 

[Advaith]

  
The ones liking SS are the fans. The non-pairing fans are okay with it.
Why are ppl okay with Naruto's relationship with Sasuke? Or his relationship with Gaara? Or his instant praising of Obito?

Japanese fans sure have a peculiar perspective about this SS. 

Edited by Advaith, 02 January 2015 - 11:41 AM.

[六道仙人]

lol I meant only that SS is the bigger fandom in japan so NH was inevitable. That's all. Just a popularity question. And that's sad.

 

I fought his favorite romance was 50 shades of grey?!   I've been mislead! Again!

It was totally a mating tactic of the Sauce! And here we fought he wanted to kill her! He just wanted to bang her. 

 

Apparently I've been living  a lie. 

 

Sauce is my new hero. A slow and patient mating tactic lasted years has finally his result: banging Sakura-chan and making with her a loveable restoration of a beautiful family with a lot of sweety and gifted (of sharingans ) childs. my total respect for him. Surely it had more efficiency than that Naruto's towards Sakura.

 

 

Oh derp! I just realized something! 

 

The only character that wasn't ruined in the ending was Hinata. Because there was nothing to ruin, she's already a sh*tty character on her own. 

 

I have always told that the real winner in this story is her. Because she, as a ruined character, did ruin the story. He concluded her job which was "Ruining the manga with only my presence". /DONE.

Edited by 六道仙人, 02 January 2015 - 11:47 AM.

[FireFox]

  
I actually hate chapter 698. Sasuke easily gave up on his goals so easily for a friendship he "suddenly" realized. That is not the Sasuke I came to love.
He failed in a lot of things. What's a few more?

I may not like Sasuke you should know that LOL  , But I freaking hated this chap (hatted the whole fight) and puked my guts out    I may not like him but I can say I knew his character  well enough   and here he suddenly abandons his resolve all of a sudden and becomes this mushy lovey dovey guy full of love friendship and what not else    The bland hard ass  asshollish  type of guy was completely striped of  of him   .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 02 January 2015 - 11:46 AM.