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[ciardha]

Kisame was dead and it happened after pain's arc.
So impossible to make a connection between the manga and the movie he just get their personalites when jiraya died and make some differences on their behaviors.

Like I said above, looks like Kishimoto altered even the real world storyline from manga canon and all the Akatsuki were dead before Naruto was 16. It's clearly not manga canon even in the real world section. Like others have said it appears Kishimoto retold the story a different way even in the real world sequence, to make a story assessable to even those who are seeing the characters for the first time. Things got blended and changed even in the movie real world. So now Kishimoto has three variants of the story around manga canon, movie real world, and movie genjustu world. Then with Pierrot's adaption alterations of manga canon and their fillers that makes four entirely separate versions.... (heh, we're getting into NGE level variants now...) Oh, forgot about Pierrot's Konoha HS variant (they made a drama CD based on it, it wasn't just an ending, so that definitely qualifies as a variant, so that makes 5 separate versions!

Edited by ciardha, 28 July 2012 - 10:48 PM.

[redragon88]

I wonder why Sakura did not give AU Hinata a answer about her relationship with Naruto."
Was 4000TMNT inner thought not part of the movie.

Kishi doesn't want to spoil the relationship between and Naruto, to be honest with you this movie is exactly what I wanted minus, Sakura depression because Sasuke was a player, her comment to Naruto and her cherishing that rose. Apart from that I like it, Hinata prove that Sakura and Naruto relationship is not normal, Sakura never commented that she preferred real Sasuke, Naruto bonded with his au parents, Sakura learn the value of having parents, Naruto proves again that he likes Sakura and Sakura proves that Naruto is someone precious to her and she was willing to give her life away to protect him, what more can we ask. I guess everything cannot be perfect.

That was just probably done to showcase how Sakura's idealism of an understanding Sasuke is just an immature fantasy she needed to wake up from. She first wishes Sasuke was at her side thinking he would understand her. Then she gets AU Sasuke to give her a rose and to let him know if anything bothered her, thus tricking Sakura into believing her fantasy of having an understanding Sasuke came true which made her happy therefore cherishing the rose. But later, reality cruelly kicks in with her noticing that he just says those same lines to any girl, thus feeling sad because her wishes were crushed.

The movie clearly showed at the beginning that her reasons for wanting an understanding Sasuke were not good at all since it was about having someone support her on not liking her parents. TheTokyoKit even mentions how the rose Sasuke gave her started to shrivel up, that could serve as a nice symbolism of Sakura's selfish desires in this movie. Even if she gets all her heart's desire in the beginning (no parents and an attentive Sasuke) in the end those shallow desires are nothing more than a simple childish fantasy that won't last in the long run.

Even if she's happy to not have parents at the start, she'll slowly come to miss their presence. And then when she decided to reach out to her supposed pillar of support (AU Sasuke) to reaffirm herself that she is happy in this world she notices that he simply tricked her all along, thus showing how wrong it was of her to wish for someone to understand her when it came to disliking her parents. No one was going to sympathize with her on disliking her parents, which she learned the hard way by seeing AU Sasuke betray her expectations.

Then by seeing how lonely it felt to be without parents she finally understood her selfishness toward Naruto, thus wanting to apologize to him for her previous attitude.

[Lid]

"Well look at what the movie is as a whole. Naruto and Sakura are cast into an alternate universe. While there, they learn to appreciate what they've taken for granted and grow to understand eachother more. Ultimately they have to work together in order to escape. And, after everything is all said and done, it's a secret that they will keep between the 2 of them forever."

Totally agree with this.

[Strangelove]

From member in NF:


I like the way Kishi choose for narusaku
as we see Naruto loves her in all universes

Let's just say is they're red thread of faith ^^

[redragon88]

I'm now hearing rumors that originally Kishi didn't even want to put Sasuke in the film, but it seems his editor forced him to. That seems pretty interesting since if it turns out to be true then that means Kishi didn't even want to make those scenes about Sakura wanting Sasuke to understand her.

Of course this is still considered a rumor, but if someone can find out at NF if it's true or not it would be appreciated.

[Hiraishin]

^ If that's true, then I guess that would explain why Sasuke was in the movie so little - even less so than Hinata.

[Verilance]

I'm now hearing rumors that originally Kishi didn't even want to put Sasuke in the film, but it seems his editor forced him to. That seems pretty interesting since if it turns out to be true then that means Kishi didn't even want to make those scenes about Sakura wanting Sasuke to understand her.

Of course this is still considered a rumor, but if someone can find out at NF if it's true or not it would be appreciated.

it also contradicts what he said about the movie in the interview videos so probably untrue, I am sure his editor at Sueisha would have no influence on this movie

[merryGOflava]

so i hear naruto was put in a genjutsu because of tobi during his battle with menma and he is unable to move.....

so sakura comes and defends him using taijutsu.....against menma (or someone)

what i wanna know is...DID SHE AT LEAST LOOK COOL FIGHTING!??? before naruto breaks outta the genjutsu and saves her of course.....T^T

[redragon88]

it also contradicts what he said about the movie in the interview videos so probably untrue, I am sure his editor at Sueisha would have no influence on this movie

How does Sasuke not being in the movie contradicts what he said about the movie? What did he say exactly in the interview?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

it also contradicts what he said about the movie in the interview videos so probably untrue, I am sure his editor at Sueisha would have no influence on this movie

there are editors on the movie, u should understand there has editors for everything, just look at the movie credits.

@sasuke he has no role into the movie, he does not even fight or are on the team that goes to search for the scroll.

Edited by dovahkiin, 28 July 2012 - 11:49 PM.

[TerrorKing]

@tricksie Thanks. Your posts aren't so bad either. *high five*

>commoner

stopped reading there.

she'd never had any jealous thing about the other members much the opposite she knows what her role is, she get stronger in comparison to part 1 to help naruto, never to surpass anyone she'd just did it for naruto.

Well, compared to pretty much everyone else in her inner circle, Sakura is basically a commoner. No special background, no famous family members, no clan background, no family jutsu, no special skills etc. etc. However, this only makes her transformation from a weak and vapid little girl into a strong and determined young woman all the more spectacular. Everything she has now, she got through hard work, both her superhuman strength and her awesome medical skills and if that's not an impressive feat then I don't know what is.

Besides, I very much doubt that Sakura's sole reason for becoming Tsunade's pupil was to help Naruto. It was a big part of it yes, but I don't think that was the reason. I think she's mostly doing it for her own sake. She want's to make something of herself, because otherwise she wouldn't be able to live with herself. Couple that with all the talk/speculation about how she might even become a stronge kunoichi than Tsunade as well as her self hatred for not being able to catch up to Naruto and Sasuke and I believe that she might have an internal conflict going on whether she might really be able to pull it off. The fact that she is apparently somewhat embarrased by her parents only lends even more credence to this theory.

Still, I'm only speculating here.

Edited by TerrorKing, 29 July 2012 - 12:10 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

@tricksie Thanks. Your posts aren't so bad either. *high five*



Well, compared to pretty much everyone else in her inner circle, Sakura is basically a commoner. No special background, no famous family members, no clan background, no family jutsu, no special skills etc. etc. However, this only makes her transformation from a weak and vapid little girl into a strong and determined young woman all the more spectacular. Everything she has now, she got through hard work, both her superhuman strength and her awesome medical skills and if that's not an impressive feat then I don't know what is.

Besides, I very much doubt that Sakura's sole reason for becoming Tsunade's pupil was to help Naruto. It was a big part of it yes, but I don't think that was the reason. I think she's mostly doing it for her own sake. She want's to make something of herself, because otherwise she wouldn't be able to live with herself. Couple that with all the talk/speculation about how she might even become a stronge kunoichi than Tsunade as well as her self hatred for not being able to catch up to Naruto and Sasuke and I believe that she might have an internal conflict going on whether she might really be able to pull it off. The fact that she is apparently somewhat embarrased by her parents only lends even more credence to this theory.

Still, I'm only speculating here.

Define "commoner"
everyone is a commoner they do not belong to the feudal families, because the definitions of commoner comes from the system of kingship.
Naruto is a commoner too, like sasuke and the others.

What u should say is she's a normal girl, without any kind of special bloodlimit.

the definition of a clan on naruto it's not social status but people who share the same kekkei genkai.

Edited by dovahkiin, 29 July 2012 - 12:18 AM.

[Branden]

Yay! Vocabulary lessons! Just what this forum needed!

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yay! Vocabulary lessons! Just what this forum needed!

Are you a Wizard?

[TerrorKing]

Define "commoner"
everyone is a commoner they do not belong to the feudal families, because the definitions of commoner comes from the system of kingship.
Naruto is a commoner too, like sasuke and the others.

I didn't mean "commoner" in a literal sense. I guess you could say I was using it in an extended sense, i.e. beyond it's primary or literal use.

What I meant was that, compared pretty much everyone else in terms of background, Sakura is nothing special.

What u should say is she's a normal girl, without any kind of special bloodlimit.

That works too.

the definition of a clan on naruto it's not social status but people who share the same kekkei genkai.

Then how do you explain the Yamanaka clan not having any kekkei genkai yet still being considered a clan?

Yay! Vocabulary lessons! Just what this forum needed!

Indeed. Now all we need is a couple of grammar nazi's and we're all set.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

this movie done by kishi had any fanservice for SS or NH, only NS.
I think it'll be NS.
i had my doubts before but this is for real, because if kishi wanted to make a perfect world for naruto he would drawn a normal sasuke with his parents but instead he just focus on the family stuff ( that message) and the bond between Naruto and Sakura.
i think with the movie the fans will see how kushina and sakura are similar.
i think kishi is addicted to parallels.

Edited by dovahkiin, 29 July 2012 - 12:44 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

this movie done by kishi had any fanservice for SS or NH, only NS.
I think it'll be NS.
i had my doubts before but this is for real, because if kishi wanted to make a perfect world for naruto he would drawn a normal sasuke with his parents but instead he just focus on the family stuff ( that message) and the bond between Naruto and Sakura.
i think with the movie the fans will see how kushina and sakura are similar.
i think kishi is addicted to parallels.

Kishi is a fan of parallels and "New generation overcome old." This movie just proves it.

Btw, I got my answer about the robe. Sakura carried it because she misses her parents so much. That's sad. Thankfully, Naruto was there to support her all the way. Unlike that playboy... Anyway, yes, that's the story. Really loving this.

[TerrorKing]

I belive TheTokyoKit said in his review that Tobi can't actually control how the "natives" of his genjutsu acts. If that's true, then this whole plan just seems like a bit of a gamble. Either he gets lucky and Naruto and Sakura never realize that they're trapped in a genjutsu or they find out immediately. To me it seems like he ended up somewhere in the middle.

But hey, he's an Uchiha and when you take into consideration that being trapped in a genjutsu is a pretty big deal (especially if you can't escape from it), perhaps this plan isn't so bad at all.

Or it could be that I just don't really understand how this Infinite Tsukuyomi is supposed to work.

Edited by TerrorKing, 29 July 2012 - 01:16 AM.

[redragon88]

Kishi is a fan of parallels and "New generation overcome old." This movie just proves it.

Btw, I got my answer about the robe. Sakura carried it because she misses her parents so much. That's sad. Thankfully, Naruto was there to support her all the way. Unlike that playboy... Anyway, yes, that's the story. Really loving this.

That's kind of odd considering the father she knows was never the 4th Hokage, so her carrying the cloak to be reminded of him just seems weird. But I guess they really didn't think it was that important if it made logical sense.

I do have one last question. So if you or anyone else could ask it in NF I'd be thankful. After Sakura teases Naruto about "the longest date ever" does the scene simply cut to Naruto going home or do we see Sakura saying goodbye to Naruto to get back to her parents? Now that I think about it, do Sakura's parents hear the teasing about the longest date or maybe they were far way at that moment?

Sorry to keep asking you to make this questions.

[TouKen4Life3g]

That's kind of odd considering the father she knows was never the 4th Hokage, so her carrying the cloak to be reminded of him just seems weird. But I guess they really didn't think it was that important if it made logical sense.

I do have one last question. So if you or anyone else could ask it in NF I'd be thankful. After Sakura teases Naruto about "the longest date ever" does the scene simply cut to Naruto going home or do we see Sakura saying goodbye to Naruto to get back to her parents? Now that I think about it, do Sakura's parents hear the teasing about the longest date or maybe they were far way at that moment?

Sorry to keep asking you to make this questions.

Well, Sakura misses her parents and the only way to keep it in memory is what her dad represents. I wonder how Naruto reacted when he saw the bag. Btw, I will ask him now. I wouldn't mind. He seems like a cool guy.

@Konan: Huh? Funny, all these new info tells me otherwise. If you ask me, the last comment from Sakura was a great way to end for her friendship with Naruto. It's a big nudge that she is in love with him, but time will tell when they become a couple.

Edit: I mean yes, NS is not the main focus but you can say it's a sub plot to this. Much like Sakura's situation. Her main desire is to have no parents. Sasuke was like a bonus deal. Turns out both of them were harmful to her. So what we get in the end is that she learns that having a family is a blessing and shouldn't be selfish. The bonus is that she understands Naruto in terms of loneliness and apologized him for it; in fact, she considered the adventure a date, as showing that she's deeply taking interest in Naruto, because he was always there for her.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 29 July 2012 - 01:59 AM.