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[ultranx]

Yes it's all situational with these things but hey so is naruto to. Plus 18 can't absorb energy I've heard that I'd say she's stronger than normal final form freeza before golden was a thing, marvel's binary from is not a regular from like super saiyan she can't go into it normally. Next fight is lucario vs renamon wonder who would win if they make renaming digivolt to sakuyamon.

honestly if they allow renamon to digivolve, most likely renamon, if none of them can evolve, renamon, never liked how lucario beat her in one minute melee because if research was done, rika's renamon for example absorbed countless digimon's data and fought many skilled opponents to the point she could take on lower tier megas in her rookie state. plus remember absorbing digimon's data both makes you stronger and lets you use their attacks. and renamon is one of the top tier rookies that is more combat based and doesn't rely heavily on evolutions, unlike agumon xD plus doubtful mega lucario could even make a dent in sakuyamon's shield, or even stand up to a mega digimon's attacks.  mega lucario is one of the frailest megas after all, to the point I quit using him online even though I wanted to because he'd always be oneshot since he's such a glass cannon. honestly I feel it will be even more onesided than charizard vs greymon xD I don't know what death battle's deal is lately with onesided fights.

Edited by ultranx, 09 July 2017 - 02:42 PM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

honestly if they allow renamon to digivolve, most likely renamon, if none of them can evolve, renamon, never liked how lucario beat her in one minute melee because if research was done, rika's renamon for example absorbed countless digimon's data and fought many skilled opponents to the point she could take on lower tier megas in her rookie state. plus remember absorbing digimon's data both makes you stronger and lets you use their attacks. and renamon is one of the top tier rookies that is more combat based and doesn't rely heavily on evolutions, unlike agumon xD plus doubtful mega lucario could even make a dent in sakuyamon's shield, or even stand up to a mega digimon's attacks.  mega lucario is one of the frailest megas after all, to the point I quit using him online even though I wanted to because he'd always be oneshot since he's such a glass cannon. honestly I feel it will be even more onesided than charizard vs greymon xD I don't know what death battle's deal is lately with onesided fights.

Unless the fight is a lower stage Digimon against a high tier, legendary Pokemon, IMO Digimon will almost always come out on top - power, strength, endurance, speed, intelligence, abilities feats, etc. are almost always higher with Digimon outside of the purposely weakest, literal poop-throwing ones (and even they have largely been shown to not be complete idiots in intelligence outside of ones like Sukamon).

As you said, Rika's Renamon has been shown to have grown strong enough - through absorbing data from Digimon she defeated - to even beat average, mid-tier Adult / Champion level Digimon, something that, under normal circumstances, is usually impossible, and even able to more easily survive against Perfect / Ultimate level and even Ultimate / Mega level Digimon.

There's also the fact that, if there's no human support, Lucario is the only one who gets hurt because a majority of Pokemon require Trainers to be able to fight at their full potential since they themselves have no real semblance of strategy or tactics; merely animal instincts, hence no focus and randomness in their attacks, and it makes Mega Evolution impossible (IIRC, the only one to canonically be able to Mega Evolve without a trainer is Rayquaza) whereas Renamon, like most Digimon, is perfectly capable of strategizing and fighting completely independently of Rika and could most likely Digivolve without her if push came to shove (a lot of people make the stupid mistake of thinking that Digimon can't Digivolve at all without humans, seeming to ignore the fact that if that were true, the Digital World would have no Digimon beyond Baby I / Fresh level Digimon).

If there is human support, than one must also remember that even if Lucario can Mega Evolve, that's still only around a fixed x1/3 incremental power increase (and only for certain stats) whereas, with most Digivolutions, it's an up to x10+ multiplier across the board, and if you include the human partner, it also usually means the Digimon is made even (continuously) stronger through the strong bond between them.

And when it comes to fights ending up one-sided, it's not ScrewAttack's fault, but rather the users on their website who submit the match-ups and/or vote on them. It's very obvious that people who submit match-ups tend to do so based on very basic and general similarities and/or level of popularity while knowing little to nothing about the actual details behind one or even both combatants. I mean, just look at a lot of the comments on Red and Charizard vs. Tai Kamiya and Agumon itself. Can't count the number of times people have literally said, "Charizard should have won because Pokemon is better! / Digimon is a ripoff!" It's people like that that highly demanded the match-up, because they just expected Pokemon to be handed the win based on popularity (that isn't even considered in the research) while also ignoring how DEATH BATTLE! works ("Digimon only one because Tai hit Red and distracted Charizard!" or "Tai cheated! Humans aren't supposed to fight!" and such), thinking that just because Red and Charizard were involved, that automatically meant the battle was going to be like a Pokemon battle using its rules and mechanics.

[VanitasDS76491]

honestly if they allow renamon to digivolve, most likely renamon, if none of them can evolve, renamon, never liked how lucario beat her in one minute melee because if research was done, rika's renamon for example absorbed countless digimon's data and fought many skilled opponents to the point she could take on lower tier megas in her rookie state. plus remember absorbing digimon's data both makes you stronger and lets you use their attacks. and renamon is one of the top tier rookies that is more combat based and doesn't rely heavily on evolutions, unlike agumon xD plus doubtful mega lucario could even make a dent in sakuyamon's shield, or even stand up to a mega digimon's attacks.  mega lucario is one of the frailest megas after all, to the point I quit using him online even though I wanted to because he'd always be oneshot since he's such a glass cannon. honestly I feel it will be even more onesided than charizard vs greymon xD I don't know what death battle's deal is lately with onesided fights.

Ok makes sense so renamon wins, plus I'm pretty sure those ok'd each other in one minute melee, you can't do research in one minute melee. So go with renaming winning.

[ultranx]

Unless the fight is a lower stage Digimon against a high tier, legendary Pokemon, IMO Digimon will almost always come out on top - power, strength, endurance, speed, intelligence, abilities feats, etc. are almost always higher with Digimon outside of the purposely weakest, literal poop-throwing ones (and even they have largely been shown to not be complete idiots in intelligence outside of ones like Sukamon).

As you said, Rika's Renamon has been shown to have grown strong enough - through absorbing data from Digimon she defeated - to even beat average, mid-tier Adult / Champion level Digimon, something that, under normal circumstances, is usually impossible, and even able to more easily survive against Perfect / Ultimate level and even Ultimate / Mega level Digimon.

There's also the fact that, if there's no human support, Lucario is the only one who gets hurt because a majority of Pokemon require Trainers to be able to fight at their full potential since they themselves have no real semblance of strategy or tactics; merely animal instincts, hence no focus and randomness in their attacks, and it makes Mega Evolution impossible (IIRC, the only one to canonically be able to Mega Evolve without a trainer is Rayquaza) whereas Renamon, like most Digimon, is perfectly capable of strategizing and fighting completely independently of Rika and could most likely Digivolve without her if push came to shove (a lot of people make the stupid mistake of thinking that Digimon can't Digivolve at all without humans, seeming to ignore the fact that if that were true, the Digital World would have no Digimon beyond Baby I / Fresh level Digimon).

If there is human support, than one must also remember that even if Lucario can Mega Evolve, that's still only around a fixed x1/3 incremental power increase (and only for certain stats) whereas, with most Digivolutions, it's an up to x10+ multiplier across the board, and if you include the human partner, it also usually means the Digimon is made even (continuously) stronger through the strong bond between them.

And when it comes to fights ending up one-sided, it's not ScrewAttack's fault, but rather the users on their website who submit the match-ups and/or vote on them. It's very obvious that people who submit match-ups tend to do so based on very basic and general similarities and/or level of popularity while knowing little to nothing about the actual details behind one or even both combatants. I mean, just look at a lot of the comments on Red and Charizard vs. Tai Kamiya and Agumon itself. Can't count the number of times people have literally said, "Charizard should have won because Pokemon is better! / Digimon is a ripoff!" It's people like that that highly demanded the match-up, because they just expected Pokemon to be handed the win based on popularity (that isn't even considered in the research) while also ignoring how DEATH BATTLE! works ("Digimon only one because Tai hit Red and distracted Charizard!" or "Tai cheated! Humans aren't supposed to fight!" and such), thinking that just because Red and Charizard were involved, that automatically meant the battle was going to be like a Pokemon battle using its rules and mechanics.

agreed 100%, though, knowing death battle and how they use every source of a franchise, they'll most likely resort to using pokemon super mystery dungeon logic, using the awakening emeras to go mega without a human.

....unless they're too stupid to research super mystery dungeon or who can mega evolve without a human outside it and make up that mega lucario can be mega evolved willy nilly with no true logical explanation xD

Edited by ultranx, 10 July 2017 - 02:29 AM.

[rocci]

I don't really care about relative strength in what Universe can destroy more. Personally, I like more relatable strength levels that are human. It's why I'm not a huge fan of meta-humans with extraordinary power, or even DBZ.

And naruto goes full db in war arc.

[ultranx]

And naruto goes full db in war arc.

yeah seriously, the flying, the golden form, the out of nowhere random power ups, the overpowered character transformations? who are they trying to fool?  

if that was the case why do you defend the last again?

wouldn't you not be a fan of the last?

wouldn't you be like us who disagrees with everything post pein arc?

you know, since everything from part 1 to the pein arc was when everything was at relatable strength levels?

oh wait. but no anything bad we say about the ending and that movie and boruto you try to rationalize to us.

 

also I don't watch shows for meta human mess, I watch dbz because its relatable to me and had good morals, plus it was on toonami, plus I like the character development of characters like vegeta, I liked the techniques, I like the fictional world and world building, how everyone can use ki and fly and have super speed in that world. whereas stuff like superman is too much about being a meta human and trying to be "perfect" and constantly beating yourself up over not being human and being different. I got tired of that, I still like superman but that's why I don't read superman comics or watch all these other new superman adaptions. but nope nope, just because it has all these aliens and overpoweredness we must totally only watch it for that and not everything else right?

that's not what dragon ball is about, dragon ball was the micheal jordan of anime/manga for a reason, it was a gamechanger, the first anime/manga to be a action/adventure/comedy hybrid fighting manga.

before it there were no shonens, it created the shonen genre.

and it had alot of good storytelling and morals and means alot to alot of people even to this day.

yet people still hate on it just over the opness 'rolls eyes'.

 

if I was all about op stuff, why do I like action movies and scifi movies? why do I like cartoons like samurai jack or danny phantom or avatar?

Edited by ultranx, 10 July 2017 - 09:51 AM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

agreed 100%, though, knowing death battle and how they use every source of a franchise, they'll most likely resort to using pokemon super mystery dungeon logic, using the awakening emeras to go mega without a human.

....unless they're too stupid to research super mystery dungeon or who can mega evolve without a human outside it and make up that mega lucario can be mega evolved willy nilly with no true logical explanation xD

Yeah, they also tend to do composite versions of combatants if there is more than one version of them in different types of media. They did it with Red's Charizard (made of his, Ash's, and Alain's Charizard) Mewtwo against Shadow, Pikachu against Blanka, so I'm more than certain they'll do the same with Lucario. (Also did it with other match-ups like Superman, The Flash and Quicksilver, Terminator and Robocop, Godzilla and Gamera, and so on).

[Illnevergiveup3]

so dc characters can destroy the universe with their punches? because last I checked dbz characters as of the bog arc in super can destroy the entire universe with the shockwaves created by their punches and that's a lowball since super saiyan blue is even stronger plus beerus has never shown his true power, plus there's super saiyan blue kaioken x10, which to anyone who doesn't understand kaioken, that's goku's super saiyan blue power multiplied by 10. but somehow some way all these comic characters can stand up to that just because they've dealt with cosmic powers? sorry, I don't see that. dealing with cosmic powers doesn't equal super durable to the point you can withstand blows of that magnitude last I checked.

also in case you guys try to use an excuse like "super saiyan blue is weaker, I've never seen super saiyan blue dish all that out" the super manga debunks this, as of the super manga recent chapters they clarified that super saiyan blue is a more concentrated and controlled stronger version of super saiyan god and is literally "super saiyan god gone super saiyan"(twas also quoted by goku in the resurrection f arc of xenoverse 2), and they created in the manga a new version of super saiyan blue, the completed super saiyan blue, where you concentrate your ki so much to the point your ki is no longer overflowing and you no longer have an aura, focusing every bit of your ki into your body into your attacks using your maximum power. its super saiyan blue without the blue aura basically, but yeah.

 

 

I haven't read all of the posts of this whole discussion,  but is this just an excuse to hate on db super some more and say its as bad as naruto again?  are you guys seriously still upset about the whole trunks spirit bomb sword thing and still saying its naruto level bad? if you guys played xenoverse 2, they did the final fight between trunks and merged zamasu in a better way, the rip in the universe the scythe made was a time rift, and it enabled trunks to gather spirit energy across all of time and space to make the sword to beat zamasu. also this has made rhymestyle and others create a new theory that actually makes sense, better than the whole god ki thing, super saiyan rage is basically the true spirit bomb super saiyan, its basically trunks being unknowingly given spiritual energy over the course of the entire year fighting goku black because he was the future's last hope, and absorbing the power and making it his own to the point he's that powerful. think about it, whenever goku used the spirit bomb it was a short period of time and the energy was given knowingly, plus the only time goku ever absorbed the energy was in non canon movies. now think about it, what if you gathered spiritual energy over the course of an entire year making it your own all while fighting and gaining zenkai boosts from each near death experience? goes good with the whole hope thing trunks is centered around eh? and how the time machine has hope written on it, heck xenoverse 2 even calls the sword the sword of hope.

 

of course you guys probably hated xenoverse 2 just because of being able to make your own character, thinking that fanservice is the worse thing ever, not even actually giving the story of the game a chance eh?

bet you'll do the same to sonic forces right?  I mean if you guys actually played xenoverse the OC isn't the main part of the story, you're just trying to make sure the timeline stays the way it is and are mainly helping the characters of the show against the powered up versions of the villains til they don't need your help anymore, essentially the fanservice is more just the fighting alongside your favorite characters and training under them to learn their moves than anything else, heck trunks gets more of the spotlight if you can call it that, the OC doesn't even talk either, you're just there. and once everything is fixed they usually use the dragon balls to wipe everyone's memories of the OC to correct the timeline.

 

the good part of the game is more the what if scenarios than actually getting to make your own character, you know, the what if scenarios most people loved about the dragon ball games?

like what if hercule was powered up to the point he was a threat strong enough to kill cell  and everyone at the cell games and you have to stop him(xenoverse 1)? or what if yamcha was the the most terrifying opponent you would ever have to face (xenoverse 2 paralel quest)?

 

or are you guys still angry about the vegito 1 hr thing, even though that was a thing in dragon ball heroes long before dragon ball super.

ohhh shhiiitttt lol. I'm gone have fun with this one. 

[James S Cassidy]

so dc characters can destroy the universe with their punches? because last I checked dbz characters as of the bog arc in super can destroy the entire universe with the shockwaves created by their punches and that's a lowball since super saiyan blue is even stronger plus beerus has never shown his true power, plus there's super saiyan blue kaioken x10.

It is still nothing compared to Superman who....at maximum potential....is limitess, omnipotent, omnipresent, and many other things. Just watch the videos below to see. I promise you that anything Goku has done...Superman has not only done it long before, but also cranked it up to 11.

 

Yeah, they also tend to do composite versions of combatants if there is more than one version of them in different types of media. They did it with Red's Charizard (made of his, Ash's, and Alain's Charizard) Mewtwo against Shadow, Pikachu against Blanka, so I'm more than certain they'll do the same with Lucario. (Also did it with other match-ups like Superman, The Flash and Quicksilver, Terminator and Robocop, Godzilla and Gamera, and so on).

You can add Goku to that list as well since they used all forms of Goku as well.
So a bit of interesting Dragon Ball news came down today, or I should say, last month. In Napoli's Comicon, Toyotaro, the successor of Akira Toriyama, made an appearance and was interviewed in his involvement with the Dragon Ball series and he had some things to say

By now, those reading the manga and anime versions of Dragon Ball Super noticed some glaring discrepancies between both versions, especially nowadays (like cutting out an entire saga for instance). Well that's because Toyotaro confirmed that although Toriyama has some involvement in the story, all he gives is a narrative outline for each saga and...that's where his involvement ends. Toyotaro and Toei (the people working on the manga and anime versions respectively) simply fill in the blanks with their own interpretation of those outlines, leading to events playing out very differently from one another and of course: perceptions of characters' strength are sharply betrayed.. Sound familiar? Well it's because it's exactly what people excuse Superman of being because now we know for certain that there are different writers working for Super, leading to different versions/"interpretations" of characters or even feats.

So if you plan on pulling in any feats from Super: better specify which version you're using. Kind of ironic that people accused Superman supporters of using material that wasn't written by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster and thus is considered "fanfiction", yet we have an actual fan artist writing and illustrating the continuation of the Dragon Ball series.

Oh and another interesting tidbit: Toyotaro also pointed out that any claims of the series sending messages about "hard work" and "never giving up" were not the intention of the original author and were merely conclusions that fans themselves reached. Dragon Ball isn't about anything as far as morals, messages and meanings are concerned, it's just supposed to be an entertaining action romp and nothing more.
 

 

Do you have a link of where I can read the Superman comics? Like all of them. Maybe PM me.

Cause I want to see for myself once and for all who actually wins, I've heard arguments and facts from both camps, and ultimately it depends on who that person likes more.

Depends on what exactly are you looking for.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 10 July 2017 - 09:26 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

It is still nothing compared to Superman who....at maximum potential....is limitess, omnipotent, omnipresent, and many other things. Just watch the videos below to see. I promise you that anything Goku has done...Superman has not only done it long before, but also cranked it up to 11.

 

You can add Goku to that list as well since they used all forms of Goku as well.
So a bit of interesting Dragon Ball news came down today, or I should say, last month. In Napoli's Comicon, Toyotaro, the successor of Akira Toriyama, made an appearance and was interviewed in his involvement with the Dragon Ball series and he had some things to say

By now, those reading the manga and anime versions of Dragon Ball Super noticed some glaring discrepancies between both versions, especially nowadays (like cutting out an entire saga for instance). Well that's because Toyotaro confirmed that although Toriyama has some involvement in the story, all he gives is a narrative outline for each saga and...that's where his involvement ends. Toyotaro and Toei (the people working on the manga and anime versions respectively) simply fill in the blanks with their own interpretation of those outlines, leading to events playing out very differently from one another and of course: perceptions of characters' strength are sharply betrayed.. Sound familiar? Well it's because it's exactly what people excuse Superman of being because now we know for certain that there are different writers working for Super, leading to different versions/"interpretations" of characters or even feats.

So if you plan on pulling in any feats from Super: better specify which version you're using. Kind of ironic that people accused Superman supporters of using material that wasn't written by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster and thus is considered "fanfiction", yet we have an actual fan artist writing and illustrating the continuation of the Dragon Ball series.

Oh and another interesting tidbit: Toyotaro also pointed out that any claims of the series sending messages about "hard work" and "never giving up" were not the intention of the original author and were merely conclusions that fans themselves reached. Dragon Ball isn't about anything as far as morals, messages and meanings are concerned, it's just supposed to be an entertaining action romp and nothing more.
 

 

Depends on what exactly are you looking for.

Which comic is superman prime 1 million in?

[James S Cassidy]

Which comic is superman prime 1 million in?

This series...issue #4

[Nostradamus]

Depends on what exactly are you looking for.

You see this is why I want to read the comics. Because just by what this guy says I don't get the whole picture.

For example one of those statements is that Superman can destroy planets, uh that's not impressive at all considering that in Dragon Ball, humans can achieve the power to destroy planets.

This is why I want to read them, in order to understand the universes in which these stories take place.

Having statements that Superman (honestly here I accidentally wrote Supercan    ) can do this and that to me doesn't mean anything if I don't know the setting in which it takes place. Not sure that setting is the right word, but I think you get what I mean.

 

Let's use the planet destruction ability and apply it to Dragon Ball, if someone tells you that Goku a super power alien has the ability to destroy an entire planet and you don't know anything about Dragon Ball, it sounds like an amazing feat, doesn't?

I mean imagine the power it would take to destroy a planet. You would be amazed how powerful he is, but if you knew that it doesn't take that much power to destroy a planet to the point in which a human in that universe can do it, it wouldn't sound so great anymore, would it?

Edited by Nostradamus, 11 July 2017 - 03:19 AM.

[ultranx]

You see this is why I want to read the comics. Because just by what this guy says I don't get the whole picture.

For example one of those statements is that Superman can destroy planets, uh that's not impressive at all considering that in Dragon Ball, humans can achieve the power to destroy planets.

This is why I want to read them, in order to understand the universes in which these stories take place.

Having statements that Superman (honestly here I accidentally wrote Supercan    ) can do this and that to me doesn't mean anything if I don't know the setting in which it takes place. Not sure that setting is the right word, but I think you get what I mean.

 

Let's use the planet destruction ability and apply it to Dragon Ball, if someone tells you that Goku a super power alien has the ability to destroy an entire planet and you don't know anything about Dragon Ball, it sounds like an amazing feat, doesn't?

I mean imagine the power it would take to destroy a planet. You would be amazed how powerful he is, but if you knew that it doesn't take that much power to destroy a planet to the point in which a human in that universe can do it, it wouldn't sound so great anymore, would it?

true, but like I touched up here http://www.narusaku....12939&page=2237 I'm not like alot of people who only watch it for the op characters, I was in it for the development of the characters, the world building, the fact that they make it where humans can get that strong and not just aliens(in xenoverse 2 guess you could say the human OCs are stronger than saiyans), the fact you get strong through training and aren't born with the powers and are not "perfect", etc. You know, like we liked naruto, just dbz did it in a more realistic way instead of making it like there was a being that was the source of all ki(kaguya). unlike superman, dbz is all about hard work, it even makes alot of people decide to take up martial arts. also James I already pointed out it was from the manga didn't I? and I know its multiple writers like comics, I didn't deny that, I just feel since dragon ball doesn't have as many characters or multiverses and timelines and writers, its easier to understand and more enjoyable to me. and I wasn't sure if you guys were just bringing this discussion up to use comic characters as a way to hate on dbsuper or not, I've been on and off this site all year remember? you expect me to figure out how far back the discussion goes in a thread with this many pages?

 

Edit since just got home from work: I've stuck on the naruto general discussion thread more when I was here so I'm more up to date what goes on there, but I haven't been on this thread in so long, who knows how many things I've missed xD So I was confused what the whole discussion was about and what started it xD

 

sigh james, I watched the video on superman 1 million, tell me honestly, did you even bother to go to my link explaining superman 1 million from comic vine back when I posted it THAT HAD THE ACTUAL COMIC PANELS AS PROOF, EVEN SHOWING THAT HOURMAN REVIVED KRYPTON, NOT SUPERMAN, OR DID YOU FOLLOW THE 1 MILLION FAN BANDWAGON?

 

Here's the link:

 

https://comicvine.ga...illion-1642666/

 

I could care less about goku vs superman, I wish death battle never did goku vs superman because that debate was barely mentioned until they did it and now EVERYONE fights over it and I'm sick of it.

Now you can't even go watch teamfourstar dbz abridged of all places without "Superman this", and "Superman that".

I don't know who would win, nor do I care.

I find the whole thing pointless.

Now if it was heroes vs villains maybe I'd be interested, but not over some hero vs hero fight where each character is getting wanked or downplayed in some way.

Still think I care about characters being op, and not just being enough of a fan to not dismiss the power of a character nor wank a character up?

 

Let me put it straight for you:

If I don't wank up naruto characters and admit they'd get wrecked by dbz characters, what makes you think I'd downplay Goku or wank up Superman?

 

Variant Comics is wrong and has been wrong before on a multitude of things, so I quit watching them.

 

Just because I don't read the Superman comics doesn't mean I won't search the entire internet for the actual panels and see for real if you guys are correct about something or not, I'm not like other people, I get fully into a debate and search every source on the internet before I decide on my belief, its why I hate death battle.

I'm one of the few people that doesn't mind getting spoilers about something before it comes out, I welcome spoilers because it helps me decide if something is a waste of money.

 

Here, since you won't look at the website, here's proof, a comic panel variant comics didn't use because he's either stupid or a liar:

 

Oh look, lois was revived by a 5th dimensional imp, oh look, hourman was in the background bringing back krypton while they were hugging. DO I STILL NOT KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT?

 

'Breathes deeply to calm himself down'   Now, can we quit wanking characters and have an actual nice discussion again? 

Edited by ultranx, 12 July 2017 - 04:30 AM.

[Shashank95]

In other news, Not sure what to make of this kitten.

[ultranx]

In other news, Not sure what to make of this kitten.

what's this, he's NOW  feeling bad for how he treats her? is this still sasuke uchiha? what about all the pro sasusaku crap? what happened to trying to kill her multiple times or leave her for dead in a pool of lava? are they really going the route bestsasuhinasupporter talked about? they do realize its too late to get us fans back and that not all of us are okay with everything post ending right? do they really think we're that gullible? do they think we are knuckles level gullible? do they still not realize that some people cared about sakura and naruto more than sasuke and hinata and were attached to the characters and cared about their safety and their feelings and happiness and were enraged by what the ending did? 

 

darn typos

Edited by ultranx, 13 July 2017 - 03:30 AM.

[Yojeveka]

So he says "I'm sorry" but then leaves anyways? What a great husband.

 

PD: He didn't even had the guts to tell that to Sakura himself. 

Edited by Yojeveka, 13 July 2017 - 04:00 AM.

[Illnevergiveup3]

I'm more concerned about what Naruto is sorry about. Is he finally feeling regret for lying to himself for so long? For allowing Sasuke to take his woman? For allowing things to get the way they was? For abandoning his nindo?

[ultranx]

I'm more concerned about what Naruto is sorry about. Is he finally feeling regret for lying to himself for so long? For allowing Sasuke to take his woman? For allowing things to get the way they was? For abandoning his nindo?

I'll like this once my like limit refreshes xD

[Shashank95]

I'm more concerned about what Naruto is sorry about. Is he finally feeling regret for lying to himself for so long? For allowing Sasuke to take his woman? For allowing things to get the way they was? For abandoning his nindo?

 

I'll like this once my like limit refreshes xD

The retarded things I read about this on reddit will probably fry your brains. There were NH and SS fans, mostly SS fans claiming that this scene was a SS scene and that Naruto is sorry that he has to come in between Sasuke's family as a Hokage what with all him ordering Sasuke's mission. Apparently Naruto's sorry because he's the reason that Sasuke can't stay with his family.

 

Oh, the brains of these people should be preserved for future generations to analyze. 

[VanitasDS76491]

I'm more concerned about what Naruto is sorry about. Is he finally feeling regret for lying to himself for so long? For allowing Sasuke to take his woman? For allowing things to get the way they was? For abandoning his nindo?

I'd be surprised if they do go that route but since this is before bolts movie and he didn't even think about Sakura I don't think so unless once again they retcon it again. Since rectoning is all they can do at this point. How is this series still going on when the story is a mess and makes no sense at all.