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Posted 14 April 2017 - 03:40 AM

 
Good match up hope supergirl kills hinata the same way superman did to Goku in their rematch. And doomsday killing Sasuke the way he killed hulk in death battle. Is that precrisis superman. Speaking of fights natsu vs ace is next in death battle hard to say who wins since ace is made of fire, but natsu eates fire so this is a tough one.

 

Yup, Pre-Crisis. I shouldn't use Silver Age since he is SUPER MASSIVE OVERKILL. I would use Golden Age Superman, but even then, he was still blowing planets around with his super breath.

 

My eyes aren't playing tricks on me.. right???

 

 

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Posted 14 April 2017 - 03:45 AM

I found it on tumblr apparently it's for like one of the mobile games in japan or something like that.. I was just surprised that they're side by side. 


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Posted 14 April 2017 - 10:42 AM

My eyes aren't playing tricks on me.. right???

 

 

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Cause Japan knows that Sasuke and Sakura can't be side by side by what the manga tells :zaru:


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Posted 14 April 2017 - 10:55 AM

Where's Hinata? I demand the best waifu ever here now!

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Posted 14 April 2017 - 11:05 AM

Where's Hinata? I demand the best waifu ever here now!

She can't be in this picture cause it's a picture of just the main characters :P



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Posted 14 April 2017 - 11:10 AM

I was talking about Kishi's brother being better than him, but if we're including those fights too then yeah you're also correct on that. 
 
Understandable,  no rush take you're time. 
 
Wait.. Attack on Titan Volume 21 is already out??

Ya I was surprised finding it yesterday, I though it came out next week and I picked up vinyl figures of Weiss and Blake from rwby now I have all of team rwby. Ya I switch between magna, comics and novels and now I can get back to reading fairy tail volume 55-59.
  

Yup, Pre-Crisis. I shouldn't use Silver Age since he is SUPER MASSIVE OVERKILL. I would use Golden Age Superman, but even then, he was still blowing planets around with his super breath.
 

where is that from?

Pretty sure supes could destroy a solar system by sneezing in the golden age, how op was superman in the silver age aside from the rainbow finger beams.
  

Where's Hinata? I demand the best waifu ever here now!

Happy that's funny they're not using their goddess in favor of who should be together.

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Posted 14 April 2017 - 11:16 AM

 Happy that's funny they're not using their goddess in favor of who should be together.

That's not a picture done by SP. That's a pic of  a mobile game made in Japan.

 

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Posted 14 April 2017 - 12:14 PM

She can't be in this picture cause it's a picture of just the main characters :P

But...she is. Especiallt in The Last.

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Posted 14 April 2017 - 01:40 PM

So my cousin posed a two part- question at me, and wanted me to share it.. 

 

Based on the events from Gaiden with Sarada, we all know her dream is to become the hokage... Given how her relationship was with Naruto in the series do you guys believe we'll see like a mentor-pupil relationship continue on in Boruto kinda like what Boruto and Sasuke had in the film?  and if Sarada becomes Hokage and say marries Boruto will she escape the female house wife curse Kishi established throughout the series?

 

 

Here is what I said with the first part:  

 

I do feel that Naruto and Sarada's relationship is probably the only redeeming highlight from Gaiden even tho the message Naruto gave to her feels kinda twisted by the end of it. So I could actually see something happenning, and I guess it would be cool to see what kinda trials she goes through. That being said (and my cousin agrees) because she's a female character in the Narutoverse how much development and characterization will be actually get from her. I mean as bad as it may sound her character could potentially get shafted to the side just like her mother and her character could just fall into the background and she'll  just be seen as a love interest. 

 

The second part to her question I was like: 

 

I'd be honestly surprised if by some miracle that she doesn't become a victim of the female character curse in Naruto if and when she does get married within the series. 

 

 

 

That's basically all i said,  what do you guys think? 

No, they will barely focus on her. Which is a shame because it could be a good story.

 

From the looks of it, everything is revolving around Boruto and Sasuke. I'd be surprised if Sarada and her hopes/dreams get more than a footnote in the new series. Naruto and Sarada's relationship could be super cool. But we know how they treat the female lead.... I don't think even Naruto could save that. (He could even save himself in his own series.)

Honestly, from their first scene together you can tell that Naruto and Sarada instantly bonded, and grew closer together through out the gaiden. So with Kishi as the editor he could help them if they need it but it could be a great Mentor Student story, that felt far more natural then Bolt and Sasuke's bond. Which just felt that Sasuke was only doing it because bolt is Naruto's son. I doubt they will though.

 

Exactly, because Oda knows his worth AND he knows the value of his story. He knows that his story pays the bills and that he wants to do it the way he wants to. Not because the studio tells him too. An editor is supposed to be a consultant and a grammar fixer. Not the writer themselves. That is not their job.

He knows that his story helps pay the bills. He knows that it is his story that gives them jobs and while he might respect his fellow crew, he reminds them that the chain of command goes up, not down. Any and all decisions are up to him. Sure he may take their advice now and then if he sees it as being a better outcome, but if he is determined that "This has to happen" he will do it. The only thing that might change is how he gets there.

Same with Ken Akumatsu. Remember when the studio tried to make him set up Negima in such a way that would allow them to make sequels? Or something....what did he do? He made his own story end in such a way that they couldn't just profit off his work and destroy it. He may not have gotten what he wanted, but at least he made sure they didn't either.

I wish Kishimoto was more like these two and many other manga writers out there.

There is no excuse why Kishimoto couldn't stand up whether legal or not seeing other writers standing up to people. Even some mangaka standing up to their own fans by saying "No"

Oda knows that he is their biggest manga in Japan, and he has a story that he wants to tell.

 

Kishimoto most of the story was written under the guidance of his first editor, and he was convinced by his new editors that his foreign fan wanted Hinata.

 

At the end of the day, they only control as much as Kishimoto ALLOWS them to control. It's his story, he's putting in all the work. Kishimoto is just too yellow-bellied to put his foot down and do the story his way.

They can still heavily influence him and all but order him to do something but at the end of the day he still the one that decides to go through with it.

 

I stopped by Barnes and Nobles early today to make an order and while I was browsing around the shelves...

 

I found this: 

 

 

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Here's a little thing from Ikemoto and Kodachi if anyone is curious: 

 

 

 

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And the thing is  I actually got...... okay fine I'll admit no use hiding it:

 

 

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Please you think i'd be stupid enough to waste my cash on this let alone it being a recap arc for three volumes... Yeah right!!

 

 

Attack on Titan was the real thing I was after since I never actually picked up Volume 20, and since Volume 21 I believe is coming out in a couple weeks so why not lol. 

Wow. They actually made the heels bigger after they were done with the rehashing.

 

Is that their author signature. What is that? What is that! A cat and A goat!? So the guy only know for working on tabletop RPG and thinks his audience is too stupid to not know what that is? Good to know I never had high hopes for him improving the manga with his writing.

 

Here is an interesting topic that's been going through my head for a while:

In Bleach before the final arc, the big hype battle was between Ichigo vs Sosuke Aizen and needless to say many people were disappointed due to how short it was, but for me I personally thought it was a great fight. 

 

Then you have Naruto lol wow where do I start off with this one.. oh yes the final battle between Naruto vs Sasuke. 

 

It was built up for over 458 chapters after how great the original fight between Naruto vs Sasuke turned out... and it was followed up with a fight that only last 5 chapters with a half ass fight that left some if not most of us going we built up all the hype for this?

 

So the question which of these fights were better? Ichigo vs Aizen from Bleach?  or Naruto vs Sasuke Part II? And which fight was disappointing. 

 

For me as short as Ichigo vs Aizen was I still definitely enjoyed it for what it was given despite the mugesto Ichigo which did come out of nowhere, but that's it.  Naruto vs Sasuke Part II had expectations after what the original fight in Part 1 and it failed miserably!  So personally I think Ichigo vs Aizen is the better fight between the two of them.. 

Both were bad to be honest. Aizen just kept getting more and more over powered until the only thing that could defeat him was an out of nowhere ass pull power up. But the ending of that arc in bleach made me forgive it somewhat. The second valley of the end fight on the other-hand was suppose to be the climatic final fight that kishimoto was building up for years. But because of business decision he had to wrap it up in under ten chapters to make way for the Last. And over all the fight was pointless, kitten, and clearly rushed.

 

God, I hope so.  Boruto is virtually unlikable as a character and fails to evoke any kind of empathy, unlike his father.  In fact, most of the new generation are obnoxious and irritating little brats. Sarada is the only remotely interesting  character of the Konoha kids but we know that she's going to be sidelined horribly by Boruto or have whatever character development she may receive later on massacred.   Like mother, like daughter. :wallbash:

Sarada from what I have seen is the only character that all fans generally like. It a shame that she has been screwed over by both the anime and the manga in their own way. The manga is turning Salad into a sex doll for Bolt to eventually end up with. While the anime have quickly made their intention clear to have repeat of Naruto and replace her as the love interest with their clone.

 

I don't think they're going to massacre Sarada's development. They're going to keep her development cause they learned, I hope, from what they did to Sakura and she's an Uchiha that are not easy to sideline in this series.

I have no high hopes of that. She is most likely just going to be a sex object from now on unless the manga does a dramatic change with her.

 

The problem a bunch of big fights have is that there is really no point to having a fight, no longer how long or flashy it is, unless the fight itself has feeling in, and meaning to it.

With the first Naruto vs. Sasuke fight, there was a lot of feeling of betrayal, anger, hatred, yet friendship and respect and such, and so the fight actually felt like there was a huge stake to how the fight concluded.

With the second Naruto vs. Sasuke fight, it completely lacked any real feeling to it. It was merely a fight over a political position. And anyone with any sense or remembrance of the story knows that there was no point to the fight because there was no way Sasuke was going to be allowed to "win" in the end; even if he won the fight itself, there's no way he would be allowed to have the position because virtually everyone else would be against him having it, so he would simply try to act cool, let Naruto have the position, and leave anyway.

The first fight had a understandable motive for both of them. Naruto was trying to prevent Sasuke from accepting a deal he doesn't know the full consequences of, while Sasuke was willing to give up everything for the sake of power to get his revenge against his brother.

 

The second fight happens after the war arc is all but done and Sasuke has fought side by side his old teammate against a goddess. But kishimoto wants that second fight so he turns on the group takes captured all the tailed beast, challenges Naruto to a fight, and then knocks out Sakura in a very cruelest way all just to remind us he still suppose to be evil. Then they are suppose to have a battle of opposing ideology, which means they could solve this by talking their views out in a debate. But is really just Sasuke rants and raves about his plans and values while Naruto makes some comebacks, which mean this could also be handled by sending Sasuke to a shrink. 

 

Now that I think about it what is the plot to the Boruto story??? :headscratch:

...I do the summaries let me think. The first 10 chapter were a rehash of the movie. Now they are rehashing the land of waves arc. Bolt's goal is to become a wanderer like Sasuke, while Salad dream is to become hokage and a neglected housewife.

 

Eventually this leads to a hokage dying and Bolt fight an old friend for the future of the ninja world.

 

...So a poor rehashing of Naruto's story 

 

That's not a picture done by SP. That's a pic of  a mobile game made in Japan.

 

Japan knows NS. Studio Pierrot for NH :P

The Japanese aren't idiots. Do you remember that minor mobile game scandal where Sakura would have gotten first place if it wasn't for Hinata fanatic making fake accounts in order to boost her rating? They know Sakura, Kushina, (who is just a grown up Sakura) and Temari are the most popular Naruto girls in Japan and the only people that care about hinata are SP and otakus. So just SP.


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 14 April 2017 - 01:43 PM.


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Posted 14 April 2017 - 01:55 PM

That's not a picture done by SP. That's a pic of  a mobile game made in Japan.
 
Japan knows NS. Studio Pierrot for NH :P

That explains alot.

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Posted 14 April 2017 - 01:56 PM

No, they will barely focus on her. Which is a shame because it could be a good story.
 

Honestly, from their first scene together you can tell that Naruto and Sarada instantly bonded, and grew closer together through out the gaiden. So with Kishi as the editor he could help them if they need it but it could be a great Mentor Student story, that felt far more natural then Bolt and Sasuke's bond. Which just felt that Sasuke was only doing it because bolt is Naruto's son. I doubt they will though.
 

Oda knows that he is their biggest manga in Japan, and he has a story that he wants to tell.
 
Kishimoto most of the story was written under the guidance of his first editor, and he was convinced by his new editors that his foreign fan wanted Hinata.
 

They can still heavily influence him and all but order him to do something but at the end of the day he still the one that decides to go through with it.
 

Wow. They actually made the heels bigger after they were done with the rehashing.
 
Is that their author signature. What is that? What is that! A cat and A goat!? So the guy only know for working on tabletop RPG and thinks his audience is too stupid to not know what that is? Good to know I never had high hopes for him improving the manga with his writing.
 

Both were bad to be honest. Aizen just kept getting more and more over powered until the only thing that could defeat him was an out of nowhere ass pull power up. But the ending of that arc in bleach made me forgive it somewhat. The second valley of the end fight on the other-hand was suppose to be the climatic final fight that kishimoto was building up for years. But because of business decision he had to wrap it up in under ten chapters to make way for the Last. And over all the fight was pointless, kitten, and clearly rushed.
 

Sarada from what I have seen is the only character that all fans generally like. It a shame that she has been screwed over by both the anime and the manga in their own way. The manga is turning Salad into a sex doll for Bolt to eventually end up with. While the anime have quickly made their intention clear to have repeat of Naruto and replace her as the love interest with their clone.
 

I have no high hopes of that. She is most likely just going to be a sex object from now on unless the manga does a dramatic change with her.
 

The first fight had a understandable motive for both of them. Naruto was trying to prevent Sasuke from accepting a deal he doesn't know the full consequences of, while Sasuke was willing to give up everything for the sake of power to get his revenge against his brother.
 
The second fight happens after the war arc is all but done and Sasuke has fought side by side his old teammate against a goddess. But kishimoto wants that second fight so he turns on the group takes captured all the tailed beast, challenges Naruto to a fight, and then knocks out Sakura in a very cruelest way all just to remind us he still suppose to be evil. Then they are suppose to have a battle of opposing ideology, which means they could solve this by talking their views out in a debate. But is really just Sasuke rants and raves about his plans and values while Naruto makes some comebacks, which mean this could also be handled by sending Sasuke to a shrink. 
 

...I do the summaries let me think. The first 10 chapter were a rehash of the movie. Now they are rehashing the land of waves arc. Bolt's goal is to become a wanderer like Sasuke, while Salad dream is to become hokage and a neglected housewife.
 
Eventually this leads to a hokage dying and Bolt fight an old friend for the future of the ninja world.
 
...So a poor rehashing of Naruto's story 
 

The Japanese aren't idiots. Do you remember that minor mobile game scandal where Sakura would have gotten first place if it wasn't for Hinata fanatic making fake accounts in order to boost her rating? They know Sakura, Kushina, (who is just a grown up Sakura) and Temari are the most popular Naruto girls in Japan and the only people that care about hinata are SP and otakus. So just SP.

Sakura, kushina, temari are the best along side konan. Proof Japan is smarter than sp.

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Posted 14 April 2017 - 02:30 PM

Alright you guys who is the best overall in the series?

 

Sakura or Rin? 

 

 

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Honestly I liked both characters, but with Sakura atleast nowadays is hard on me because sometimes the 699 will just creep in (except when I rewatch RTN for some reason)   and I'll just be like ugh.. potential you could've been better.  Now from a combat standpoint we never really got to see what Rin could really do in the series. So I can say in terms of combat Sakura would be better,  but at character's standpoint Rin was better because we got to see where her character ended up alongside Obito. I mean I love seeing cool action moments, but I'm also more a story and character kinda guy  so for me personally I'd honestly have to say Rin. 

 

What about you guys? 


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Posted 14 April 2017 - 02:38 PM

I'll still say Kishi has that "huh?" look on his face when we explain something deep to him. Either he really doesn't know what he had or does but betrays it.

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Posted 14 April 2017 - 02:43 PM

I'll still say Kishi has that "huh?" look on his face when we explain something deep to him. Either he really doesn't know what he had or does but betrays it.

 

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Posted 14 April 2017 - 04:32 PM

Alright you guy who is the best overall in the series?

 

Sakura or Rin? 

 

 

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Honestly I liked both characters, but with Sakura atleast nowadays is hard on me because sometimes the 699 will just creep in (except when I rewatch RTN for some reason)   and I'll just be like ugh.. potential you could've been better.  Now from a combat standpoint we never really got to see what Rin could really do in the series. So I can say in terms of combat Sakura would be better,  but at character's standpoint Rin was better because we got to see where her character ended up alongside Obito. I mean I love seeing cool action moments, but I'm also more a story and character kinda guy  so for me personally I'd honestly have to say Rin. 

 

What about you guys? 

We don't know much about Rin, so I'll say Sakura. Rin has done some progress that definitely shows this outcome at the end.



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Posted 14 April 2017 - 09:33 PM

Rin did an eyeoperation in the woods with limited med tools when she was 12. That's something people brush off. I only wish she was a fighter as well, she is a ninja after all.. she was pushed into the stereotype that women are the medics/caretakers and men are fighers, but I have no doubt she had potential.

 

Rin was a lot better than (12yo)Sakura, but I think they'd be more even as teens.


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Posted 14 April 2017 - 10:45 PM

I'll still say Kishi has that "huh?" look on his face when we explain something deep to him. Either he really doesn't know what he had or does but betrays it.

Kishimoto still seems to not understand "what made his manga popular" from aspects of the story such as character to just luck with toonami.

 

He also doesn't seem to understand what themes and morals he was telling in his manga. And the ones he was trying to tell fell flat because of a lack of thought on the topic and follow-through on the topic to sell it to the readers.



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Posted 14 April 2017 - 11:22 PM

Kishimoto still seems to not understand "what made his manga popular" from aspects of the story such as character to just luck with toonami.

 

He also doesn't seem to understand what themes and morals he was telling in his manga. And the ones he was trying to tell fell flat because of a lack of thought on the topic and follow-through on the topic to sell it to the readers.

Maybe he does know, just can't execute good.



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Posted 14 April 2017 - 11:38 PM

Alright you guys who is the best overall in the series?
 
Sakura or Rin? 
 
 
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Honestly I liked both characters, but with Sakura atleast nowadays is hard on me because sometimes the 699 will just creep in (except when I rewatch RTN for some reason)   and I'll just be like ugh.. potential you could've been better.  Now from a combat standpoint we never really got to see what Rin could really do in the series. So I can say in terms of combat Sakura would be better,  but at character's standpoint Rin was better because we got to see where her character ended up alongside Obito. I mean I love seeing cool action moments, but I'm also more a story and character kinda guy  so for me personally I'd honestly have to say Rin. 
 
What about you guys?

I'd say Sakura cause we know very little about rin, even though I wish she was covered more, she'd be a great older sister to naruto. One problem with the Obito and rin relationship is we barely them together and talking and interacting so it's hard to say that they are in love. Those kakashi flashback chapters didn't really show that. If anything it was more kakashi and rin than her and Obito.

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Posted 15 April 2017 - 01:17 AM

So not sure if this has been brought up and to be honest I don't follow much of Naruto other then w.e some brat posts on instagram and I happen to see that Boruto has some eye power that is only possible because of his bloodlines. Got me thinking this is why Kishi chose this as the final pairings….

 

Also why is Boruto just Sasuke with blond hair…smh kishi, should have just wrote a sasuke manga..






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