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#4401 Sakamaki Izayoi

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 11:08 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Sep 15 2012, 11:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yes, but if Sakura knows that and feels the same way then why isnt it cannon yet? i think its because she has yet to resolve her feelings for sasuke and realize her feelings for naruto.


because naruto did not make the move, and naruto knows that sakura knows this.

naruto's dilemma is he does not want to be with sakura until she make something true genuine about her feelings, naruto does not want to win her heart just because sasuke is not around, or take advantage of a situation he's not known for doing those things.
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Posted 15 September 2012 - 11:12 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Sep 16 2012, 12:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yes, but if Sakura knows that and feels the same way then why isnt it cannon yet? i think its because she has yet to resolve her feelings for sasuke and realize her feelings for naruto.



Because kishi wants it for the end it would have been to fast if he already made it. Thats also the reason why kishi keeps throwing in these SS moments or NH moments only to stretch the whole NS development till the near end of the manga

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 11:18 PM

Naruto doesn't know that Sakura knows he loves her. I know it's rather odd to use this as evidence, but episode 235 said so. I know it's filler, but to me, I just think that filler is only stating the obvious and/or make the "story so far..." more clearer. Plus, there's nothing suggested that he knows Sakura knows. So, he will still have to confess. I can see a small comedy moment in there. Here's one:

Naruto: Sakura-chan, I love you!
(Sakura is shocked as Naruto sweats with a blush)
Sakura:.........I know already.
Naruto: EHHHHHHHHHH!
Sakura: Sai told me a long time ago.
Naruto: (OH NO! That bastard!)

Then the rest can be serious moment. Reminds me of FMA, when Ed finally confess in a way that relates to his hobby, and Winry was shocked. Then, the mood becomes comedy when she was like, "Oh come on! Seriously...you got to talk about alchemy," then the rest is history. I can see Kishi doing this, as he presented many times that this pairing is all fun and serious.

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 11:20 PM

QUOTE (dovahkiin @ Sep 15 2012, 04:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
because naruto did not make the move, and naruto knows that sakura knows this.

naruto's dilemma is he does not want to be with sakura until she make something true genuine about her feelings, naruto does not want to win her heart just because sasuke is not around, or take advantage of a situation he's not known for doing those things.

thats almost exactly what i just said

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 11:53 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Sep 15 2012, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruto doesn't know that Sakura knows he loves her. I know it's rather odd to use this as evidence, but episode 235 said so. I know it's filler, but to me, I just think that filler is only stating the obvious and/or make the "story so far..." more clearer. Plus, there's nothing suggested that he knows Sakura knows. So, he will still have to confess. I can see a small comedy moment in there. Here's one:

Naruto: Sakura-chan, I love you!
(Sakura is shocked as Naruto sweats with a blush)
Sakura:.........I know already.
Naruto: EHHHHHHHHHH!
Sakura: Sai told me a long time ago.
Naruto: (OH NO! That bastard!)

Then the rest can be serious moment. Reminds me of FMA, when Ed finally confess in a way that relates to his hobby, and Winry was shocked. Then, the mood becomes comedy when she was like, "Oh come on! Seriously...you got to talk about alchemy," then the rest is history. I can see Kishi doing this, as he presented many times that this pairing is all fun and serious.


This is all true idd but i think Kishi sees Sasuke as about the same importance as naruto in the story and in the end of naruto he will be seen as a victim of war so i dont think in the end of naruto he wont get a romance.
and TBH i dont see Hinata alone in the end also. because it would be sad for her as well too be alone in the end i just fear its gonna be naruto who wil take that place. I remember in part 1 ending it was hinata who watched him leave how can kishi still make it right without giving her some1.


Again dont get me wrong no ending would make me more happy then narusaku but i dont think kishi can make it another way anymore sometimes.

Edited by Arachnia, 15 September 2012 - 11:55 PM.


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Posted 15 September 2012 - 11:57 PM

QUOTE (Arachnia @ Sep 15 2012, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is all true idd but i think Kishi sees Sasuke as about the same importance as naruto in the story and in the end of naruto he will be seen as a victim of war so i dont think in the end of naruto he wont get a romance.
and TBH i dont see Hinata alone in the end also. because it would be sad for her as well too be alone in the end i just fear its gonna be naruto who wil take that place. I remember in part 1 ending it was hinata who watched him leave how can kishi still make it right without giving her some1.


Again dont get me wrong no ending would make me more happy then narusaku but i dont think kishi can make it another way anymore sometimes.

people can have tragic ends, just look at Haku

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 12:02 AM

QUOTE (Branden @ Sep 16 2012, 12:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
people can have tragic ends, just look at Haku


True there cant be a happyending for everyone

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 12:07 AM

QUOTE (Arachnia @ Sep 15 2012, 06:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
hinata oblivious for naruto feelings for sakura mabey yeaa.

Okay then, where has Hinata ever indicated that she knows how Naruto feels about Sakura?

If she knows that Naruto is in love with Sakura, then that makes her thoughts in 573 look even more selfish than they already do -- its one thing to not think of Naruto's feelings if she feels that he's not interested romantically in anyone else currently (so she has a shot, you know?), but to not think of his feelings when she knows he does have romantic feelings for another person (whom she has seen display some non-platonic feelings for him in 450), it just comes off making Hinata look incredibly self centered.
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But the problem with the latest chapters is that you only see hinata/naruto connect you know i dont really care about that even but at this rate i doubt he will even confess too Sakura and thats a bit odd i know there was a episode where he talked too sai and he said he cant confess yet couse he cant even keep a promise and in the filler it was brought up too will you ever confess.

So whats bugging me now is that not naruhina ending but that he wont even confess and sees what happens you know?

so my question is how many of you guys think he will confess hes feelings?

I don't think that the "hinata/naruto connect" you are referring to is really all that significant. The conversation they had after he saved her from Zetsu showed exactly what he showed to Hinata in the chuunin exams and nothing more - concern, gratitude, respect, acknowledgment, and some level of understanding her character. Imo, he actually made a stronger connection with her in chuunin exams than here (the full "I like people like you", and showing a much deeper understanding of Hinata by comparing her pain to Neji's, rather than just being able to tell from her expression that she was upset at having to be saved).

It was a moment to give Hinata an answer for her actions at the summit - and it was just a thank you, not anything to indicate "I love you too" or "I'm considering you as a romantic possibility".

Further, that instance has little, if anything, to do with whether or not Naruto will confess to Sakura. Even if he isn't going to get together with Sakura, I can't imagine Naruto not being given the same opportunity to express his feelings to Sakura that both Sakura and Hinata got to express their feelings to their respective love interests. Such a confession would bring resolution to his feelings either way - either he gets with her sometime after that or he tells her so that he can move on from those feelings.

After 457, I am positive that Naruto will get the chance to confess, and that he will. It's simply being saved for later, presumably after the fight with Sasuke.

Sakura knows Naruto loves her, but she doesn't know his reasons for loving her, and very possibly, the depth of his feelings for her either (especially after their altercation at the summit). After all, Sai told her that because he wanted her to realize the effect her actions had on Naruto and to motivate her to act, not to confess in Naruto's stead. This resulted in Sakura thinking Naruto was an idiot for loving her (I think she feels that she's not worthy to be loved by Naruto, especially after what Sai told her).

So not only would a confession be beneficial to Naruto's character in allowing him to express his feelings that he has kept bottled up since at least mid part one, it would be beneficial to Sakura to hear from Naruto himself that he loves her, and why he does; her low self esteem in terms of her ability to help Naruto at all could be hit upon directly by a confession with him, if he tells her something along the lines of what Yamato said - that she does a lot just by caring about him so much.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 12:25 AM

QUOTE (Paptala @ Sep 16 2012, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay then, where has Hinata ever indicated that she knows how Naruto feels about Sakura?

If she knows that Naruto is in love with Sakura, then that makes her thoughts in 573 look even more selfish than they already do -- its one thing to not think of Naruto's feelings if she feels that he's not interested romantically in anyone else currently (so she has a shot, you know?), but to not think of his feelings when she knows he does have romantic feelings for another person (whom she has seen display some non-platonic feelings for him in 450), it just comes off making Hinata look incredibly self centered.

I don't think that the "hinata/naruto connect" you are referring to is really all that significant. The conversation they had after he saved her from Zetsu showed exactly what he showed to Hinata in the chuunin exams and nothing more - concern, gratitude, respect, acknowledgment, and some level of understanding her character. Imo, he actually made a stronger connection with her in chuunin exams than here (the full "I like people like you", and showing a much deeper understanding of Hinata by comparing her pain to Neji's, rather than just being able to tell from her expression that she was upset at having to be saved).

It was a moment to give Hinata an answer for her actions at the summit - and it was just a thank you, not anything to indicate "I love you too" or "I'm considering you as a romantic possibility".

Further, that instance has little, if anything, to do with whether or not Naruto will confess to Sakura. Even if he isn't going to get together with Sakura, I can't imagine Naruto not being given the same opportunity to express his feelings to Sakura that both Sakura and Hinata got to express their feelings to their respective love interests. Such a confession would bring resolution to his feelings either way - either he gets with her sometime after that or he tells her so that he can move on from those feelings.

After 457, I am positive that Naruto will get the chance to confess, and that he will. It's simply being saved for later, presumably after the fight with Sasuke.

Sakura knows Naruto loves her, but she doesn't know his reasons for loving her, and very possibly, the depth of his feelings for her either (especially after their altercation at the summit). After all, Sai told her that because he wanted her to realize the effect her actions had on Naruto and to motivate her to act, not to confess in Naruto's stead. This resulted in Sakura thinking Naruto was an idiot for loving her (I think she feels that she's not worthy to be loved by Naruto, especially after what Sai told her).

So not only would a confession be beneficial to Naruto's character in allowing him to express his feelings that he has kept bottled up since at least mid part one, it would be beneficial to Sakura to hear from Naruto himself that he loves her, and why he does; her low self esteem in terms of her ability to help Naruto at all could be hit upon directly by a confession with him, if he tells her something along the lines of what Yamato said - that she does a lot just by caring about him so much.


Yea well ofcourse i hope that happens but lets hope kishi sees it that way smile.gif
but idd in chapter 457 there is sign i thought i saw that part in a filler episode so i dident think much of it well you made my day lol:)
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Edited by Arachnia, 16 September 2012 - 12:26 AM.


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Posted 16 September 2012 - 12:27 AM

QUOTE (Arachnia @ Sep 15 2012, 07:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is all true idd but i think Kishi sees Sasuke as about the same importance as naruto in the story and in the end of naruto he will be seen as a victim of war so i dont think in the end of naruto he wont get a romance.
and TBH i dont see Hinata alone in the end also. because it would be sad for her as well too be alone in the end i just fear its gonna be naruto who wil take that place. I remember in part 1 ending it was hinata who watched him leave how can kishi still make it right without giving her some1.


Again dont get me wrong no ending would make me more happy then narusaku but i dont think kishi can make it another way anymore sometimes.

So if that's the case, what about Ino? Hell, she even got to hear Asuma telling her not to lose in love against Sakura. What about Lee?

My point is that people will be alone one way or another and/or will move on to another person. Why Hinata can't move on? Her love is already proclaimed to be selfish. Why she needs to be with Naruto? I don't see any reward but herself. There's no two way win like Naruto/Sakura. Understand this, there are other characters that wants to win this person's love, but in the end, it's either open ended or never happen. Hinata does have option to go on with. Hell, even anime is trying to push Neji with her. It's not canon, but you know, incest can happen, especially in Japan. Believe me, I already seen incest couple in anime, so don't be shocked. Besides, it does have a nice reward: no more unbalance between two branches.

Anyway, my point is that minor over main, let alone THE main character, feelings is seriously dumb. I'm sorry, but like I said, it will destroy Naruto's character bad. Besides, Hinata don't have third party support. Sakura does have them with three parallels, Sai, and Yamato. Even the village saw the whole hug scene. It is drawn to be romantic atmosphere even if they're not kissing or anything. The point is the mood is there.

Also, this wouldn't be the first time for shy minor character who loves the main protagonist to be alone. I watched countless anime and read so many manga, and this part isn't new to me at all. Otherwise, oh boy, a lot of mangakas are sure evil for leaving that shy girl lonely. It's not about her, it's about the main protagonist. Plain and simple. Again, when Naruto in the beginning of part 2 presented himself that he still loves Sakura, that tells me that he will not give up at all. End of part 1 was the big shot for him to leave her, but nope. Therefore, to me, it's sealed that he will never stop. Think about that.

QUOTE (Paptala @ Sep 15 2012, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think that the "hinata/naruto connect" you are referring to is really all that significant. The conversation they had after he saved her from Zetsu showed exactly what he showed to Hinata in the chuunin exams and nothing more - concern, gratitude, respect, acknowledgment, and some level of understanding her character. Imo, he actually made a stronger connection with her in chuunin exams than here (the full "I like people like you", and showing a much deeper understanding of Hinata by comparing her pain to Neji's, rather than just being able to tell from her expression that she was upset at having to be saved).

It was a moment to give Hinata an answer for her actions at the summit - and it was just a thank you, not anything to indicate "I love you too" or "I'm considering you as a romantic possibility".

Further, that instance has little, if anything, to do with whether or not Naruto will confess to Sakura. Even if he isn't going to get together with Sakura, I can't imagine Naruto not being given the same opportunity to express his feelings to Sakura that both Sakura and Hinata got to express their feelings to their respective love interests. Such a confession would bring resolution to his feelings either way - either he gets with her sometime after that or he tells her so that he can move on from those feelings.

After 457, I am positive that Naruto will get the chance to confess, and that he will. It's simply being saved for later, presumably after the fight with Sasuke.

Sakura knows Naruto loves her, but she doesn't know his reasons for loving her, and very possibly, the depth of his feelings for her either (especially after their altercation at the summit). After all, Sai told her that because he wanted her to realize the effect her actions had on Naruto and to motivate her to act, not to confess in Naruto's stead. This resulted in Sakura thinking Naruto was an idiot for loving her (I think she feels that she's not worthy to be loved by Naruto, especially after what Sai told her).

So not only would a confession be beneficial to Naruto's character in allowing him to express his feelings that he has kept bottled up since at least mid part one, it would be beneficial to Sakura to hear from Naruto himself that he loves her, and why he does; her low self esteem in terms of her ability to help Naruto at all could be hit upon directly by a confession with him, if he tells her something along the lines of what Yamato said - that she does a lot just by caring about him so much.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 12:32 AM

QUOTE (Arachnia @ Sep 15 2012, 06:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
hinata oblivious for naruto feelings for sakura mabey yeaa.
But the problem with the latest chapters is that you only see hinata/naruto connect you know i dont really care about that even but at this rate i doubt he will even confess too Sakura and thats a bit odd i know there was a episode where he talked too sai and he said he cant confess yet couse he cant even keep a promise and in the filler it was brought up too will you ever confess.

So whats bugging me now is that not naruhina ending but that he wont even confess and sees what happens you know?

so my question is how many of you guys think he will confess hes feelings?

Why do you feel that way about me? What makes me so special after the way I treated you? She can even add Hinata and tell him that Hinata always loved him, she is more deservicng of his love. This is a way Naruto can start his confession another way will be Sakura asking him to take care of himself, whith Naruto kissing her forehead telling her that he always wanted to do that, making sakura remember that it was always Naruto encouraging, comforting her, making her feel happy, forcing her to ask why I have always being so nice to her after Their past.


QUOTE (Arachnia @ Sep 15 2012, 07:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is all true idd but i think Kishi sees Sasuke as about the same importance as naruto in the story and in the end of naruto he will be seen as a victim of war so i dont think in the end of naruto he wont get a romance.
and TBH i dont see Hinata alone in the end also. because it would be sad for her as well too be alone in the end i just fear its gonna be naruto who wil take that place. I remember in part 1 ending it was hinata who watched him leave how can kishi still make it right without giving her some1.


Again dont get me wrong no ending would make me more happy then narusaku but i dont think kishi can make it another way anymore sometimes.


This part might be true, but Kishi develops Naruto and Sakura for a reason, he makes Sakura more aware of Naruto than anyone else, he made Naruto the one encouraging, comforting her, making her feel happy, she was the only one trying to do something about the person who loves her and was told how it hurt him, Kishi also made so many references for NS, plus why he would only make Hinata focus on her romantic feelings for Naruto but nothing else, while making Sakura genuinely care about Naruto, why would he make Sasuke hurt Sakura so much and after he make Naruto love her for so long making them become so clos,e Sakura will tell Naruto sorry but I will always love Sasuke you got Hinata so go to her.

This will go against Naruto character losers will always be a losers, the message is like telling boy you can be a jerk to a girl do with her anything you want when you ready to start a relationship she will always waith for you, girl mast always love their 1st crush even if he never hurt her and tried to kill her, for hard worker stop wasting you time stop being nice to the girls she will always love the jerk be a jerk.



A mean the story itself tell us why NS should be the end pairing if people focus more on the story overall and Naruto character not Sasuke or Hinata then many would agree.

Edited by NS means logic, 16 September 2012 - 12:40 AM.


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Posted 16 September 2012 - 12:38 AM

QUOTE (NS means logic @ Sep 15 2012, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why do you feel that way about me? What makes me so special after the way I treated you? She can even add Hinata and tell him that Hinata always loved him, she is more deservicng of his love. This is a way Naruto can start his confession another way will be Sakura asking him to take care of himself, whith Naruto kissing her forehead telling her that he always wanted to do that, making sakura remember that it was always Naruto encouraging, comforting her, making her feel happy, forcing her to ask why I have always being so nice to her after Their past.




This part might be true, but Kishi develops Naruto and Sakura for a reason, he makes Sakura more aware of Naruto than anyone else, he made Naruto the one encouraging, comforting her, making her feel happy, she was the only one trying to do something about the person who loved her and was told how it hurt him, Kishi made so many references for NS, plus why he would make Hinata only focus on her romantic feelings for Naruto but nothing else, while Sakura genuinely cares about Naruto, why would he make Sasuke hurt Sakura so much, and after he Naruto loved her for so long and they become so close Sakura will tell Naruto sorry but I will always love Sasuke, you got Hinata go to her. This will go against Naruto character, a loser will always be a loser, there is no good message is like telling boy you can be a jerk to a girl do with her anything you want when you ready to start a relationship she will always waith for you, for hard worker, stop wasting you time stop being nice to the girls she will always love the jerk.



A mean the story itself tell us why NS should be the end pairing if people focus more on Naruto character on not Sasuke or Hinata then many would agree.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 12:45 AM

Oh, Paptala, how I love your posts. Consistent wisdom and clarity. They are truly a joy to read.

QUOTE (Paptala @ Sep 15 2012, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
After 457, I am positive that Naruto will get the chance to confess, and that he will. It's simply being saved for later, presumably after the fight with Sasuke.

I agree. As I said way back on page 3 of this thread:

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Actually, one of my favorite things about Sakura's confession is that it leveled the playing field. Up to that point Sakura had enjoyed the upper hand in the relationship with Naruto since his feelings for her were always on his sleeve for the world to see. But despite his obvious desire to believe she loves him (thinking of the look on his face in those first panels just kills me), Naruto didn't melt into her arms without a thought. Instead he parsed her language and behavior, and realized the timing wasn't right. I loved that Sakura was reduced to saying, "If you don't like me, then just say so!" Naruto didn't deny how he feels about her, but he didn't cave. I think that was really important to put them on a more equal footing in the future.

Naruto will confess. We know he loves Sakura, and when the time is right he will say so. Considering what a powerfully emotional speaker he can be, I expect it to be quite a moment.


QUOTE (Paptala @ Sep 15 2012, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So not only would a confession be beneficial to Naruto's character in allowing him to express his feelings that he has kept bottled up since at least mid part one, it would be beneficial to Sakura to hear from Naruto himself that he loves her, and why he does; her low self esteem in terms of her ability to help Naruto at all could be hit upon directly by a confession with him, if he tells her something along the lines of what Yamato said - that she does a lot just by caring about him so much.

Yes, yes, yes. They both need his confession to be complete. That probably sounds corny, but they're sort of like two comfortable shoes that have become separated. They won't be able to serve their ultimate, best purpose until they're a pair.


Edited by KnS, 16 September 2012 - 01:28 AM.


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Posted 16 September 2012 - 12:56 AM

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QUOTE (Paptala @ Sep 15 2012, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay then, where has Hinata ever indicated that she knows how Naruto feels about Sakura?

If she knows that Naruto is in love with Sakura, then that makes her thoughts in 573 look even more selfish than they already do -- its one thing to not think of Naruto's feelings if she feels that he's not interested romantically in anyone else currently (so she has a shot, you know?), but to not think of his feelings when she knows he does have romantic feelings for another person (whom she has seen display some non-platonic feelings for him in 450), it just comes off making Hinata look incredibly self centered.

I don't think that the "hinata/naruto connect" you are referring to is really all that significant. The conversation they had after he saved her from Zetsu showed exactly what he showed to Hinata in the chuunin exams and nothing more - concern, gratitude, respect, acknowledgment, and some level of understanding her character. Imo, he actually made a stronger connection with her in chuunin exams than here (the full "I like people like you", and showing a much deeper understanding of Hinata by comparing her pain to Neji's, rather than just being able to tell from her expression that she was upset at having to be saved).

It was a moment to give Hinata an answer for her actions at the summit - and it was just a thank you, not anything to indicate "I love you too" or "I'm considering you as a romantic possibility".

Further, that instance has little, if anything, to do with whether or not Naruto will confess to Sakura. Even if he isn't going to get together with Sakura, I can't imagine Naruto not being given the same opportunity to express his feelings to Sakura that both Sakura and Hinata got to express their feelings to their respective love interests. Such a confession would bring resolution to his feelings either way - either he gets with her sometime after that or he tells her so that he can move on from those feelings.

After 457, I am positive that Naruto will get the chance to confess, and that he will. It's simply being saved for later, presumably after the fight with Sasuke.

Sakura knows Naruto loves her, but she doesn't know his reasons for loving her, and very possibly, the depth of his feelings for her either (especially after their altercation at the summit). After all, Sai told her that because he wanted her to realize the effect her actions had on Naruto and to motivate her to act, not to confess in Naruto's stead. This resulted in Sakura thinking Naruto was an idiot for loving her (I think she feels that she's not worthy to be loved by Naruto, especially after what Sai told her).

So not only would a confession be beneficial to Naruto's character in allowing him to express his feelings that he has kept bottled up since at least mid part one, it would be beneficial to Sakura to hear from Naruto himself that he loves her, and why he does; her low self esteem in terms of her ability to help Naruto at all could be hit upon directly by a confession with him, if he tells her something along the lines of what Yamato said - that she does a lot just by caring about him so much.



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Posted 16 September 2012 - 01:00 AM

Things are getting a bit slow, here have some questions lolololololol....

Feel free to answer any of them.


1.Why is NaruSaku important to the series?

2.How does NaruSaku affect the series?

3.What moments give the strongest development to NaruSaku?

4.What are the strongest hints towards NaruSaku?

5.If NaruSaku becomes cannon, what does it accomplish by doing so?

6.Does NaruSaku fit in with the theme of the story?

7.Can you effectively address counterarguments to NaruSaku?

8.When will NaruSaku happen?

9.Does NaruSaku have enjoyable dynamics?

10.Does Naruto have romantic feelings for Sakura?

11.Does Sakura have romantic feelings for Naruto?

12.How will NaruSaku happen?

13.Does Naruto make Sakura happy?

14.Does Sakura make Naruto happy?

15.At what point were you convinced NaruSaku would become the cannon pairing?

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 02:46 AM

QUOTE (Branden @ Sep 16 2012, 01:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Things are getting a bit slow, here have some questions lolololololol....

Feel free to answer any of them.


1.Why is NaruSaku important to the series?

2.How does NaruSaku affect the series?

3.What moments give the strongest development to NaruSaku?

4.What are the strongest hints towards NaruSaku?

5.If NaruSaku becomes cannon, what does it accomplish by doing so?

6.Does NaruSaku fit in with the theme of the story?

7.Can you effectively address counterarguments to NaruSaku?

8.When will NaruSaku happen?

9.Does NaruSaku have enjoyable dynamics?

10.Does Naruto have romantic feelings for Sakura?

11.Does Sakura have romantic feelings for Naruto?

12.How will NaruSaku happen?

13.Does Naruto make Sakura happy?

14.Does Sakura make Naruto happy?

15.At what point were you convinced NaruSaku would become the cannon pairing?


1. Too much build up and moments to it, and a lot of people like a little romance in their main anime series.

2.It affects Naruto's ability to stick to something. Loving a girl who hated you, and finally getting her. It's a great story plot. This also will greatly affect Sakura's final piece of her character development. Once being a teenage girl, only into men because of lust, she will grow into a matured women, getting with Naruto because of love, not lust.

3. Biggest one yet, has to be Kushina telling Naruto(baby) to find a girl like her, which is Sakura. Other than that, we have so many amazing moments, it's hard to say which one matters more than others, because they are all big points for NaruSaku to win.

4. Kinda answered it already.

5. Making Naruto a better series, because the romance element of it will make more sense... A LOT OF MORE SENSE.

6. Yes, because it started in episode 3, and has a moment every now and then, so it fits perfectly, and we need more moments here soon.

7. They are terrible, and made from bias people, so yeah, I think we all can.

8. End

9. Better than any other pairing I've seen in anything. (outside of anime and all)

10. YES TIMES OVER 9000

11. A little. Her feelings for Sasuke can be labeled as "lingering", while you can label her feelings for Naruto as "growing".

12. Can't be 100% sure, but we know Naruto will always love Sakura, so Sakura has to give the hint to Naruto, or maybe Sasuke will suggest it. a_thumbs.gif

13. Yes, ALWAYS there for her, and knows how to make her smile.

14. Yes, 69 He loves to see her smile. Plus, it's Naruto we're talking about here, he is the type of guy that is happy when his girl is happy. Plus, it's Sakura, how can't she make you happy? laugh.gif

15. Episode 3, When She was first shown, and she shoved Naruto out of the way to sit beside Sasuke. When Naruto started thinking that she was looking at him.. and was rejected, I knew the plot was going to have him win her over. I was about 8 years old then, now I'm almost 16, and I still hold on to the same thought.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 03:24 AM

QUOTE (Paptala @ Sep 16 2012, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's very true - perhaps SS and NH's popularity is lent to rooting for the girls' feelings and attributing shoujo-type characteristics to the relationship???


Maybe so. In the case of sasusaku, it is a very common trope for the main love interest to be a "dark prince" who is stoic and respected. However, usually he will quickly fall in main girl, just because. Having said that, most of the main girls aren't very fangirl about him.

In Hinata's case, it will be the trope where the girl with the special background gets her love interest, usually because she is bullied/ crippled/ some other way to make you sympathize.

QUOTE (Paptala @ Sep 16 2012, 09:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, Sakura isn't a fangirl anymore, to be certain, and Sasuke was a good guy for the first half of the series.

All I can think of is Momo and Aizen from Bleach perhaps? Genkai and Toguro from YYH? Unless you are talking about the main female character, or the main character's love interest, having feelings for a villain in the series - in which I would agree I couldn't recall a similar scenario.


Well, most of Sasuke and Sakura's interaction is limited to the first half of the series. =X

For the examples, I was referring specifically to Asian dramas. Then and again, the 'bad guy' is usually a rival woman.
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Posted 16 September 2012 - 04:57 AM

QUOTE (Branden @ Sep 15 2012, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Things are getting a bit slow, here have some questions lolololololol....

Feel free to answer any of them.


1.Why is NaruSaku important to the series?

2.How does NaruSaku affect the series?

3.What moments give the strongest development to NaruSaku?

4.What are the strongest hints towards NaruSaku?

5.If NaruSaku becomes cannon, what does it accomplish by doing so?

6.Does NaruSaku fit in with the theme of the story?

7.Can you effectively address counterarguments to NaruSaku?

8.When will NaruSaku happen?

9.Does NaruSaku have enjoyable dynamics?

10.Does Naruto have romantic feelings for Sakura?

11.Does Sakura have romantic feelings for Naruto?

12.How will NaruSaku happen?

13.Does Naruto make Sakura happy?

14.Does Sakura make Naruto happy?

15.At what point were you convinced NaruSaku would become the cannon pairing?


1. It's important because it teaches a great lesson that one man, whether he is weak or scare, can win if he believes in him. It's also important because this is about Naruto working hard and never giving up. It fits to the theme, bonds. Naruto's bonds has their own kinds. Sasuke is best friend/rival/sibling, Kakashi is the teacher/master. Iruka is the father-like figure. Sakura is a lover. They all cover the important part of bonds in the manga and real life. It follows the theme perfectly and Naruto winning them and maintaining them is the perfect ending. Like that one fan said, "Naruto falling for Sakura is great because it follows the story perfectly." Amen.

2. It affect the series, because Naruto is the guy who changes people. Sakura is one of the most important people in Naruto's life and more of greatness from Naruto shows as well as Sakura. They show their best when they are together and they can communicate really well. The series, again, is about bonds. Sakura hated Naruto or at least dislike. Now, we see her as Naruto's closest friend and her falling in love with him will be the best ending in terms of romance. If it happens, it will leave as one of the best romance written story of all time in my lifetime. Also, this demonstrates true love.

3. This is a hard one. I would say the Heaven and Earth Bridge moment. Sakura was shown how deep her feelings for Naruto that she's willing to go to him in the most dangerous time. She didn't care about herself, all she care for him to stop torturing himself. So much, she's willing to go find Sasuke for him. When he was out, Yamato clearly saw that Sakura was indeed exposed heavily. Also, this is where the most important part of the pairing comes in. Sakura always believes that if she can fight and heal, she will be helpful to Naruto. Yamato corrected her and told her the most important thing is her feelings for Naruto, which Sakura was bewildered. Yamato chuckled because he knows that her feelings for Naruto is very strong. Therefore, he knows now her true feelings. Just before he was going to expose to the world, Naruto wakes up. Point is that the seed is planted on Sakura. This moment holds the most important piece to her character. Sadly, she doesn't know. The good news is the buildup to it and the hype is growing larger before the big impact happens. We are waiting.

4. Same as above, Kushina's story, and Jiraiya's regrets.

5.It will be the best fitted ending to the story. No one important loses and Naruto's theme is intact. It brings the perfect message to every youth: Never give up. Work hard and greatness shall be granted.

6. Yes, it certainly does. Theme is bonds and hard work. This one covers romance bond as stated above.

7. Biased talk is the only way. People say Sakura doesn't like her. Invalid by part 2 beginning, Sai's comment, and most importantly, Yamato's statement. People say Naruto stopped loving her. Invalid by part 2 beginning, Kishi's movie, and the reason for not confessing yet.

8. The answer for Sakura's feelings for Naruto may happen before the final fight between Naruto and Sasuke. Canon will happen at the end, since many times, romance ends the series.

9. Of course. One of the best pairing of all time and probably the most developed pairing in the world of Shounen ever.

10. Of course. Even anime studio knows it.

11. Like I said, it's planted on her. She sure does, BUT, it's hidden but growing. Right now, she needs to take care of her old feelings for Sasuke. This is common for girls not knowing the true feelings in manga. It's ticking.

12. I always suggest that Naruto will confess to her at the bench. It will start off as comedy with Sakura revealing that she knows about Naruto's loving her. Then as it progresses, it will get serious. Kishi is known to make Naruto to have a great speech. No doubt it will be great.

13. Of course. Where else you see Sakura's genuine smile? Seriously, if Naruto didn't make her smile, I wouldn't able to see that smile and perhaps, I wouldn't like Sakura as much. Her smile is very gentle, you can't blame Naruto for that at all. That smile is treasured. Fangirl smile is hardly a smile. It's more of a well fangirl. Genuine smile is when you know it's real, which is why Kishi put a lot of work on her smiles. It shows us that making a girl smile makes a man stronger. Happy wife, happy life.

14. Of course. Remember what I said about Yamato. It's about her feelings for Naruto that is truly supports him the most. The hospital scene with her healing his hand made him truly happy. He cares about her heavily. Oh yeah, remember that first smash to the ground by Sakura? Look at that smile. Oh my god, that's a love smile. He is in love. Also, the poison removal one, he looked so amazed and stared at her with a "Wow..." face. That's pretty common for guy to feel that way.

15. Episode 3. At first, I only saw the typical main hero/heroine going together, but at Gaara's fight, I have never seen someone that much passionate for a girl. From there on, I knew that this is going to be grand for this pairing and I was so happy that this manga is taking to another level. Plus, I haven't lost the pairing war yet. Lol.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 06:13 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Sep 15 2012, 09:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Like that one fan said, "Naruto falling for Sakura is great because it follows the story perfectly." Amen.


And that comment was posted on the Road to Ninja's website. Hmmmmm, I feel like they choose that, and the other Narusaku comment, over all the other possible Naruhina/Sasusaku comments for a reason............... But I wonder what? headscratch.gif

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 09:41 AM

QUOTE (Paptala @ Sep 16 2012, 12:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay then, where has Hinata ever indicated that she knows how Naruto feels about Sakura?

If she knows that Naruto is in love with Sakura, then that makes her thoughts in 573 look even more selfish than they already do --

Can someone please translate this part from japanese, because I'm convinced that this is an error, a misunderstanding.
Hinata's words are just words like all the others : Showing support for Naruto.
When she said "next time" she obviously means "on the battle field" right ? i think that the "hand by hand" means more something like "fighting together".
Same for "wait for me" after that. She tells him to wait until she arrives "to support him in his fight", not to marry him or wathever.
So please, if there is someone that understand japanese and can translate this part, please... because what Hinata said there has no sense.


About Naruto's feelings for Sakura, of course she knows, this is so obvious, after stalking him all the day, she should know.
And it seems like she did after seeying Sakura hug Naruto.

So please, someone translate Hinat's hand by hand part, so we neveer hear about this again, because I'm sure that this isn't good translated.
It's like the one where Naruto said she saved him twice, this is just false.





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