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[Gravenimage]

The important thing is. Naruto told Sakura he hated people who lie to themselves, that she was trying to convince herself that she likes Naruto and doesn't care anymore for Sasuke according to Naruto. However with the last chapters we realized that the one who was really lying to himself is none other than Naruto, I'm beginning to think that Sai told him that Sakura loves Sasuke on purpose just following his lead so that he realizes the truth in front of him knowing how sttuborn Naruto really is. Simple that Sakura has moved on from Sasuke and she has chosen Naruto above everything else.

Edited by Gravenimage, 08 March 2010 - 12:08 PM.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

Guys, i think just for the correction,

I had asked someone about the interview, again, and Kishi never said, Sakura is honest to the confession.

Kishi did say he wanted to portray Sakura as an honest/real girl, but that is probably more like 'a real portrayal' than an 'honest person'.



BUT I BELIEVED THE CONFESSION ITSELF IS HONEST.

Edited by pinkheartsyellowstars, 08 March 2010 - 12:30 PM.

[Gravenimage]

Guys, i think just for the correction,

I had asked someone about the interview, again, and Kishi never said, Sakura is honest to the confession.

Kishi did say he wanted to portray Sakura as an honest/real girl, but that is probably more like 'a real portrayal' than an 'honest person'.



BUT I BELIEVED THE CONFESSION ITSELF IS HONEST.

That person obviously has been fooled by the many mistranslated versions of the interview no wonder he doesn't believes it I know it's impossible to believe too. We have the ultimate proof the manga itself, with previous chapters and Sakura's behavior we can clearly say she was being honest in her confession.

Edited by Gravenimage, 08 March 2010 - 12:34 PM.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

That person obviously has been fooled by the many mistranslated versions of the interview I know it's impossible to believe it. We have the ultimate proof that manga itself, with previous chapters and Sakura's behavior we can clearly say she was being honest in her confession.

.hmmm

YEEAH.. i believe in the developments/hints in the entire manga, but in just the interview, in the case about the confession, Kishi remained ambiguous to sustain the suspense of the pairing.
Kishi wanted Sakura to be honest.. no' doubt about that, only the Sakura bashers are awfully hated her character.
and Sakura's confession to Naruto is honest. NH/SS wanted to retort us with their own assimilation to have a equal opportunity of what we had now.

SS stated "Sakura had an eternal love for Sasuke"
NH stated "Hinata is so much deserving for Naruto."

Edited by pinkheartsyellowstars, 08 March 2010 - 12:48 PM.

[ciardha]

That person obviously has been fooled by the many mistranslated versions of the interview no wonder he doesn't believes it I know it's impossible to believe too. We have the ultimate proof the manga itself, with previous chapters and Sakura's behavior we can clearly say she was being honest in her confession.

Exactly. If you read the manga chapters it's right there. I think if most people who are narusaku fans who have doubts about Sakura's character would go back and read the manga from the beginning with no fandom interpretations their doubts would disappear and they'd be surprised at all the positive moments they'd forgotten, even early on in part 1.

[Gravenimage]

Exactly. If you read the manga chapters it's right there. I think if most people who are narusaku fans who have doubts about Sakura's character would go back and read the manga from the beginning with no fandom interpretations their doubts would disappear and they'd be surprised at all the positive moments they'd forgotten, even early on in part 1.

Yeah I remember all the N/S development since part 1, and even if Kishi didn't intended to focus on romance in part 1. He has been slowly developing N/S since the beginning which makes me wonder if Kishi knew what he was doing from the beginning and he had the canon pairing figure out all along?

[fireandice]

@Gravenimage

I remember Kishi did mention somewhere he did plan the story of Naruto pretty far even before it got serialized by Jump, so I wouldn't be surprised if that were so

Just looking at NaruHina plot wise...Kishi hadn't done anything to make Hinata a more central character, which would be necessary for her and Naruto to even have adequate interaction and screen time.

SasuSaku: Would just run counter to the entire plot. And I believe Sakura's sticking up for Naruto has at least disabused the notion that she cares for Sasuke over Naruto. In fact, she seemed to think Sasuke couldn't be saved, like Kakashi. Only Naruto thinks differently.

[ShippudenGirl]

Naruto's such a stubborn jackass he-he.. No, I love that boys confidence!

[Serenity Namikaze]

I'm really tired to say the same thing but in a different way.

I almost wish to have real NH and SS moment ( AMOST being the key word) so that we can stop repeating ourselves and have a serious debate.

Here is some of NH fan replie after I said that Sakura might loves both boys ( that was after the confession because, at that moment, it was hard to be 100% that she no longer loves Sasuke, at least, to me it was) :

NH fan POV --Click here to view--

I want to address your last statement. The part about her loving both boys. I mentioned that in the "point/counterpoint discussion. IF she does love Naruto, which means that she does love both guys, I believe that is..how do i say this...BS. If she does love both, then that says something about her character, something that i don't like. To me it says that she can't make up her mind, or chose one over the other...and do these boys really deserve that? If Naruto ends up with her, does he deserve to even think for a second that she loves Sasuke more, that she will run away with him like she has mentioned twice before (i know she only meant it once). I think the hero of the story should receive deep, unquestionable love. At first I didn't really mind if Naruto ended up with Sakura...that was before i got to know her...She put him through so much, disrespected him so much. In the history of Naruto, no couple has ever had so many obstacles.

And someone else brought to my attention that Naruto isn't a love anime..obviously.This anime doesn't tend to focus on love, and also all the couples we've seen has been a little low key..aka..temari and Shika, Minato and Kush, Kuranai and Asuma. It would be weird for NaruSaku to work out being that they would defy the pattern and take the manga ain aa direction it hasn't gone before..and plus NaruSaku are so much like obito Rin and Jiraiya tsunade. These men never get these feisty girls.

I agree with most of your post, however. But i agree with Hyuuga when she mentioned how Sakura came off kitteny when she confessed since Hinata had done it before. I'm guessing the time between their confessions were like 3-5 days :o..wow. I agree that Sakura PROBABLY didn't know that Hinata confessed (but Kishi did) but she always knew Hinata loved him. The fact that Kishi made her confess her love close together is a big "hmmm" like is he trying to compare them? What is he trying to do?Seriously, they were too close together. And Naruto's reaction was said alot of negatives about the situation as well. However, Istill know that NaruSaku can happen if Kishi wants it to.

...and after chapter 485, this fan still beleive on what she said and doesn't have a second thought. I really would like good arguments because, right now, I'm too busy and I don't have time to answer to that.

Thank guys

Edited by silverserenity, 08 March 2010 - 11:19 PM.

[ShippudenGirl]

I'm truely tired of these ridiculous NS bashing post, where is all the evidence?

• So, Sakura loves both boys? Tell me, does that mean she has romantic feelings for both? Let's have a look see.
---1. Part 1 Sakura was "In love" with Sasuke? I'll take this to a personal perspective, what if I was 12-years-old and had a crush on a boy that never like me and he moved away. Would I say "Oh my god I was so in love with him!" Hardly.
---2. Sakura's "love" for Sasuke was a simple crush.

• Sakura loving Naruto? Let's take a see at what Kishimoto got for us.
---1. Let's compare Sakura's reaction from when she meets Naruto after 2-3 years and to when she finally meets Sasuke again. When Sakura met with Naruto she was obviously flirting and asked Naruto if she looked like a woman with a blush. Now, let's look at her when she meets Sasuke again; at first she's in shock, but *gasp* he attacks them and her expression was obviously now one of flirty love.
---2. When Naruto is around Sakura she can be herself, not be in fear, as I can use (Chapter 484) she was scared of Sasuke when they once again meet.
---3. Kishimoto stated that he made Sakura an honest character.
---4. Who do you think Sakura trust more, Sasuke or Naruto?
---5. (Pein attack) Who did she call for when Pein attacked? Naruto. Because she knows he's strong and she can trust him *shocker!* (Sarcasm)

• Wow really? Let's compare NS vs NH confession.
---1. Who did Naruto fall for? Hinata or Sakura?
---2. Naruto has shown a love interest in Sakura since the beginning and you think he'll give it up in one chapter? Pff.
---3. Confession comparison: Both girls did it at the worst moments possible; Hinata's was a suicidal confession when obviously she knew if Naruto couldn't beat Pein she couldn't. Sakura's was random. Both definitely didn't know what the hell they were doing.

• Why NH, why!
---1. No development.
---2. Hinata is merely a secondary character and will not be brought into the main plot.
---3. Kishimoto isn't gonna go Romeo and Juliet for NH because that's how it'd turn out, Hinata is the Hyuuga "Princess" and will have to stay within the blood-line. Western culture obviously doesn't understand that (Except me xD)
---4. Kishimoto is annoying by continuous NH angry fan mail, he DOESN'T care, he's annoyed by all the Hinata love obviously.

• SS, to be or not to be? That is the question.
---1. I'm using this as to why it'd be the stupist plot twist Kishimoto could do.
---2. That would bring all of Sakura's development down the drain.
---3. Sasuke is a maniac that wouldn't simply fall for Sakura, even in Part 1 he had a sour attitude towards her.
---4. He tried to kill her, hmm, how many times now? Three!
---5. Sasuke stated he's gonna kill everyone in Konoha, don't twist his words by saying everyone but Sakura.

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I'll put more later, I'm kinda in a towel right now. Lmao xD hope this helps.

Edited by ShippudenGirl, 09 March 2010 - 03:09 AM.

[Insurrection]

@ Shippudengirl

Uh....isn't that a biased post? I mean if we weren't biased towards NS we probably wouldn't be here. Doesn't mean you're wrong here though. Opinion is great as long as you still have a brain to express what the heart says, just make sure you seem like the sane one.

AKA: You kind of scared me because of the angry. But I guess that's why they call it a rant.

Edited by Insurrection, 09 March 2010 - 01:15 AM.

[Miss Soupy]

I think the hero of the story should receive deep, unquestionable love. At first I didn't really mind if Naruto ended up with Sakura...that was before i got to know her...She put him through so much, disrespected him so much. In the history of Naruto, no couple has ever had so many obstacles.

I find it a common trait for a NH fan to like the pairing because it is, essentially, 'easy'. Hinata just loves him, so how could he not be happy with her? While that's all very sweet, does a good story necessarily have love just fall in a persons lap with no obstacles? Sure, Hinata has an obstacle in her shyness, but Hinata isn't the main character. Her obstacle isn't much of anything, truth be told, especially when the story is about Naruto. And, even more, the story is about Naruto's obstacles, which includes love. Being easy doesn't make a love more true, in fact, I have to agree with the saying that 'nothing good ever comes easy'. Naruto and Sakura's struggles towards one another makes the story interesting. And eventually, when they do realize one another, their struggles makes the ending happiness all the more sweet. Whether you like that kind of love or not, is up to the individual. However, I'm fairly confident that this person has cheered for the hard to reach love in a story at one point. Love is rarely as easy as we would like it to be.

And someone else brought to my attention that Naruto isn't a love anime..obviously.This anime doesn't tend to focus on love, and also all the couples we've seen has been a little low key..aka..temari and Shika, Minato and Kush, Kuranai and Asuma. It would be weird for NaruSaku to work out being that they would defy the pattern and take the manga ain aa direction it hasn't gone before..and plus NaruSaku are so much like obito Rin and Jiraiya tsunade. These men never get these feisty girls.

They never get them, but they wanted them. And isn't Naruto's job to succeed where the others failed? I'm pretty sure that's what Jiraiya wanted for him, anyways. Also, Naruto has more romance in it than other shounen. It's not on every page, but it is an important yet complicated part of the story. I have to feel thankful, though, that romance isn't a bigger priority in other manga I read.

I agree with most of your post, however. But i agree with Hyuuga when she mentioned how Sakura came off kitteny when she confessed since Hinata had done it before. I'm guessing the time between their confessions were like 3-5 days :o..wow. I agree that Sakura PROBABLY didn't know that Hinata confessed (but Kishi did) but she always knew Hinata loved him. The fact that Kishi made her confess her love close together is a big "hmmm" like is he trying to compare them? What is he trying to do?Seriously, they were too close together. And Naruto's reaction was said alot of negatives about the situation as well. However, Istill know that NaruSaku can happen if Kishi wants it to.

I don't really buy into this whole comparison thing. I might have believed it if Naruto had thought of Hinata at all, but since he hasn't, I chalk this up to wishful thinking for NH. It's understandable they want their pairing to have more meaning than it might have, but without clear evidence, other than the coincidence that they appeared close to one another chapter wise, it doesn't really have any legs to stand on.

[Serenity Namikaze]

@ Miss Soupy

Thank you so much for you insight, it describe clearly what I wanted to say but didn't find the right word.

@ Shippu-chan

I really appreciate your answer but it too biased, I can't really say that to a NH fan if I don't want to start a pairing war with her

I try to be as neutral as possible ( even if I told her that I was a NS fan, I don't want to fall in the same level as some other crazy fan)

Where you a little bit cranky when you answered my post

Anyway, thank again imouto-chan

Edited by silverserenity, 09 March 2010 - 02:23 AM.

[Hopestar]

Serenity

There has been war between NH/SS vs. NS since the begining of the series. It's just some people have common sense to be rational & realistic. Yet, most NH & SS aren't mature especially with the recent events in the manga. It's time to accept reality & they cannot do it.

[ShippudenGirl]

Maybe I should use different wording xD how about, er, ridiculous? Or twisted

[catsi563]

Ill grant this much NH fans had best hope that NH isnt a romeo and juliet scenario. As I recall that particular scenario both ended up dead.

As to the confessions there is no comparison. because both confessions were completely different animals.

Hinatas confession was a confession of heart and courage not romance. the point of the confession being that Hinata had finally gathered the courage to confront her idol and tell him her feelings. this is a common shonen trope. Code geass used it with lelouch and shirley, and Bleach used it with Orihime and Ichigo ((though granted Ichigo was asleep and orihime invisible)).

the end result of this type of confession usualy is one of two things. either the death of the shy girl ((shirley)), or the shy girl standing aside for the main love interest as Hinata has done with Sakura and Naruto.

Sakuras confession was in context a clearly romantic confession. it was a confession of emotion plain and simple. the body language alone was telling. It was also as open as Sakura has been in the series to another person. unlike Sakuras confession to sasuke which was alone and in a desperate situation. this confession was with witnesses and under no pressure. She was shown clearly blushing and reacting to her words and actions.

another key in comparison to the confessions was the title of the chapter within which each confession resides. Hinatas was entited simply confession. no name, nothing more then simply confession. which is appropriate considering that the confession was a prime moment in that chapter. And yet for a moment given such credence by hinata and NH fans it was not clearly named to be her moment.

which is ironic consideirng that it was a strict hinata moment as such. it was a moment for her to do as I said earlier make her big confession and move on.

sakura's confession on the other hand was entitled exactly that. "Sakura's Confession". this is a clear and distinct difference between the two titles. it clearly marks Sakuras confession as a moment of importance for the character in particular and the story in general. It is a tool used by writers to emphasize the importance of a moment of this nature and to separate it from other like moments.

simply put the two confessions are different and sakura's clearly is more important to the overall story as it was named and singled out directly.

[Serenity Namikaze]

@ Catsi

Very good insight, I never really gave much importance in the chapters title and you gave a good comparison for both confessions.

[firegirl]

Ok iv been thinking about the flashbacks lately that sakura had and i found something very strange.

my question how is it shows she still love him? it does somewhat but the rest of her flashbacks were more because of her duty in her mind to kill sasuke.

this what i think

her flashbacks of past sasuke were flashbacks of an flashback

her first flashback was her decision not to tell Naruto. Her second flashback was of her past with Sasuke which was when she got her first crush to,her confession to Sasuke/goodbye. Her thoughts in the flashback i will...Sasuke Kun that flashback was after her decision not to tell Naruto.

she was planing to kill Sasuke and it was because she didn't want Naruto to do it because SHE knows he wont do or just cant do it. but her thoughts backfired because she connected to Sasuke like Naruto soo she couldn't kill him because SHE DID LOVE THE PAST SASUKE. but now she is moving on and caring more and more about Naruto showing her selflessness and love towards him.

she is more worried for Naruto then she is for Sasuke

what do u guys think???

Edited by firegirl, 11 March 2010 - 08:48 PM.

[ShippudenGirl]

I think her feelings for Sasuke are gone in a romantic sense, it's time for her to prove her love to Naruto 8D

[crazyefra]

Hmm... I think that whenever a SS or NH moment (even though the moments aren't romantic) comes NH/SS fans jump to conclusions. Like in this chapter, where one person said something along the lines that now that Naruto got teamed with Hinata, she would become his new love interest. It just made me go and I just ignored that comment. That's why they think Sakura still loves Sasuke, becuase they jump to conclusions without a second opinion.

Edited by crazyefra, 11 March 2010 - 10:33 PM.