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[StriderC]

Actually, I'm not entirely sure it would of taken way longer. With Sasuke gone, there was really no way he could hurt her. It wasn't until the PoAL where everything came together for her. If Sasuke stayed, it would of been possible that her feelings for him wrapped up sooner given he'd still had been around. Her feelings would of been handled a bit quicker when it comes to both of them. 

[Gravenimage]

Actually, I'm not entirely sure it would of taken way longer. With Sasuke gone, there was really no way he could hurt her. It wasn't until the PoAL where everything came together for her. If Sasuke stayed, it would of been possible that her feelings for him wrapped up sooner given he'd still had been around. Her feelings would of been handled a bit quicker when it comes to both of them. 

 

Now that I think about it hmm...You're right. If Sasuke had stay in the village Sakura might have love Naruto way sooner and NS would've become canon before the time skip.

Edited by Gravenimage, 23 July 2013 - 05:34 PM.

[Chatte]

Thx a lot guys. Yeah, she still feels something for Sasuke and that is undeniable, but what I think is that in the moment she noted all those things is when she left out all those burried emotions. I mean, look at her face and then, we have her face after Naruto tells her that he hates people who lie to themselves... At first she looks like dunno scared and hurt because Naruto supposedly rejected her than she started defending her feelings. Why would she need to defend something it isn't there in the first place?

[Phantom_999]

Yeah saw this on tumblr, two words; Bull S. Hinata has nothing to do in the war. Thats that. They can keep dreaming.

 

And that would "spark" Naruto's feelings for her?   I would say if that were to happen then what would be the point even to NH fans? They are saying that Naruto is already in love with her, but if it takes her death to for him to realize it then it defeats the purpose of their argument. Plus you would think Naruto would have realized that "he loves her" if it only took that during the Pain invasion arc.  Anyways Looks fan made to me.  

Edited by Phantom_999, 23 July 2013 - 07:06 PM.

[Canadian_DJ]

You know what? I don't get why people b*tch about Sakura's confession. If they would have followed the manga, all that she said, it's true. FUnny how today I even made an edit where I tried to parallel her words with actual manga moments.
 










 
I mean, if you take the manga chronologically, all the things Sakura say as reasons, have happened and those are things that indeed, made her fell in love with him...
She was next to him, he made her feel safe and all those things...
I can't keep wondering why the denial, really.
PS: SOrry for the misspelling in there, noticed it afterwards.

Yeah i sae this on tumblr. I know. Its pathetic. The japanese fans know sakura has fallen in love with him. So why cant everyone accept the fact?

This is the same point that every one of these discussions lead to, the quote says he was trying to depict an honest girl not that she was in fact being honest about her confession, it would have been easy enough for him to say that if that is what he meant. Since he didn't we are left with speculation that hinges on opinion based observations. That being said any way you slice it, the confession doesn't help Sakura's case any, because if you believe she was being sincere then that means she gave a heartfelt confession to the person she loves ( which if anime  culture is to be believed is a huge deal ) While still being painfully in love with Sasuke, which does lower the credibility of the confession in terms of it being true.
 
Secondly if you believe she wasn't being being sincere then she comes out looking like a calculating manipulator who used Narutos loves as a means to an end. Even if that end was releasing Naruto of his promise by attempting to kill Sasuke it still doesn't make the confession itself any better.
 
Personally I think that the truth is somewhere in between, I think she wanted to believe that she was over Sasuke and in love with Naruto. The related scenes give the impression that she is trying to convince herself of all the reasons she should love him and not Sasuke, More of a confession from the head rather than from the heart is how I always saw it. Which is not to say she doesn't love him, I think she does and that her lingering feeling for Sasuke continue to get in the way I just don't think the confession is the outcome of her love for Naruto, rather it definitely seemed motivated by other things entirely.

I dunno what exactly your trying to say, whether she's being honest or not. But I think, by the logic of the manga, amd by what kishimoto said and the way he wrote sakuras character, is that she was being completely honest during her confession about her feelings towards naruto, and I dont think she was manipulating him at all since kishi says otherwise. But if you think otherwise then to each their own.

@phantom_999

Yeah its really pathetic, and even more so tjat they think naruto actually loves hinata especially since he doesnt care about her confession and called sakura his girlfriend. Pathetic really.

Edited by Canadian_DJ, 23 July 2013 - 06:55 PM.

[Dkey]

The problem with the confession is that it was forced. It had another reason other than Sakura's feelings being confessed to Naruto.

 

 

As for why did she confess and not just ask him to go back to the village it's because of the POAL as Sai said. She decided to return Naruto's feelings. As for Naruto he either thought it was a joke or told Sakura that she was lying to herself.

 

Now Sakura's reaction to his words regarding the lie felt to me as the most honest of all. Again she showed concern usually the strongest feeling she has when it comes to Naruto than any other.

 

But her other part where she explained the reason she loved me always felt like it wasn't the real reason, or at least it wasn't complete. Again she usually worries about him, which addresses his human side not the hero side of Naruto. Probably that's why some of the Japanese fan base think another confession from her will come.

[Phantom_999]

Yeah Sakura's feelings for Naruto are very complex as they are clear as rain. She obviously admires him and draws inspiration from him, but she does emotionally coddle him too. I mean that she sometimes lies to spare his feelings and she cries for him too when he is visibly upset. That shows that she has faith in him but is also very sensitive to how he feels emotionally and wants to protect him too. I could say these reasons are similar to the romance in Accel World.

 

Hinata is...... well Not much to say. Honestly, I've come to realize that she is not as simple as we assume. That is She has some pretty hidden depths too, cause she admires Naruto and though she may not know the exact details why, she understood Naruto was not liked but still wanted to change himself to be acknowledged. Plus he admitted to her that he may not be as cheerful or as happy as he appears. So honestly we can't dog on Hinata's love or understanding for Naruto. The only thing we can say is that he does not show any signs of attraction to her and he really does not communicate with her that much. Not to mention she takes no initiative either. Not vouching for NH here but we must realize these things too because if we don't acknowledge Hinata's good points then we are pretty much Hinata haters just like those Sakura haters, and I for one am not stooping to their level. that said I don't enjoy her having Naruto as an emotional crutch, as in She must think of Naruto to accomplish or determine anything.  Especially because Neji is gone and she herself must be more independent than ever.   

Edited by Phantom_999, 23 July 2013 - 11:25 PM.

[Psychox]

I didnt know myself why people disliked her so much , so i went here and there from forums to rants and sought knowledge. And these are the 3 main thing that push this unconfrotable feeling for her till this very day...

 

Most Haters abhor her since she disrespected and made fun of  Naruto in chapter 3 for being an orphan , that part was actually pretty inconsiderate on her behalf , as much as i want to say the opposite -it hurt , well Naruto didnt hear it , but Sasuke and we the rearders sure did and there began the loathing of her character in general. She was little and didnt know better , but the western fandom cant get it or be over with  it. ( i am  myself a part  of that fandom, but i see and understand her character compleatly since she was made to be more human than any of the protagonists and almost everybody can see a small piece in her character that they hate , so yeah there is a reason to add. )

 

Her ending her friendship with her best friend for a boy she constantly fangirled over , the ignoration of Naruto and  the treatmen she gave him in part 1. We know that Ino and Sakura are still friends , but some people are selective in their reading.

 

The still uncontradicted fact that she is in love with Sasuke . That is why her confession for them seems fake and unreal also they think she maniputalted him and lied about her emotions . That was the last drop in the well of hate . Since then nhfans/ss fans/haters till this thay stay behind the fact that she will never love Naruto or even feel something for him. Which is somewhat understadible if you inflict your own expirience or POV , cuz things like this do occur in real life .

 

However they dont see her development, her love ,care,affection for our beloved Naruto , even he was unaware of it and that's why he couldnt accept her confession at first( and her still dwelling in the past of her affection for Sasuke). That is because if there is a page in the manga having her in one of the panels they skip it or ignore it just cuz its better for them :/ , well this selective reading bugs me to this very day , but you cant change people's opinions just by getting angry or blindly return their hate , but show them why and what her character represents. Well i tried  and failed , but that does not mean to quit. ;)
I think that if people re-read every moment regarding her in the picture see her growth with NAruto they will change at least a little , but nvm , those are my thoghts.

 

Most of them dont expect her to changer or see that she has changed, which is sad.

 

EDIT: I think too if Sasuke actually stayed in the village she would have fallen for Naruto..

 

@phantom_999 its true what you say , but when nh fans start bashing Sakura or Naruto we kind of have no choice but to show them the diffrence in development and feelings.

Edited by Psychox, 23 July 2013 - 08:48 PM.

[Masque]

 I dunno what exactly your trying to say, whether she's being honest or not. But I think, by the logic of the manga, amd by what kishimoto said and the way he wrote sakuras character, is that she was being completely honest during her confession about her feelings towards naruto, and I dont think she was manipulating him at all since kishi says otherwise. But if you think otherwise then to each their own.

 

 

 

 

Ah no I think you misunderstood my post, my personal opinion is found in the very last part  wrote. I don't believe that Sakura's confession can be looked at in a black in white manner. I feel she was neither professing her undying love for him nor was she cold-heartedly manipulating him, Sakura has all these complicated feelings and because of the desperate situation she went ahead and confessed before resolving any of them. As many have said before, it leaves the whole thing Murky(from a confession stand point only) We know she cares for Naruto and we know she wasn't lying about all the reasons she SHOULD love Naruto but it does make it stand on uneven footing, that's all I was getting at.
 

Edited by Masque, 23 July 2013 - 09:20 PM.

[T XD]

Either way with Sakura's confession that happened, it will get cleared later when she and Naruto will talk again or get a moment where what she said will be more understood. It can be when Naruto confess or when she confesses again or when a moment from her that will provide this clearing. 

[rocci]

I always see sakura confession as a heroic act, and it comparable with itachi deception.
Why?
That's because sakura choose naruto despite her love for sasuke, and she accept to be hate by naruto if it can make sure his safety.
just like itachi choose sasuke despite his love for his clan and konoha, and he accept to hate by his belove brother if it mean he can make sure sasuke safety.

And both try to kill for greater good, while one is success, the other failed.

[Phantom_999]

Yeah exactly. I don't see the debate there. she loves Naruto, That can't be questioned. Is it so hard to admit that?   You can argue that it is platonic love but it is still love. And we won't go into the fact why we don't think it is Platonic, everything is already said.

 

@Psychox- Well said. I of course meant by "not stooping to their level" by mindlessly bashing a character like they bash. By always raging at a character calling them useless and pointing out their faults with unreasonable passion they show that they don't work their argument out, and therefore they get caught off guard when a hole has been punched in there logic. Of course we must show them Sakura's change in feelings for Naruto. But is is a matter of handling it with maturity That I emphasize. 

Edited by Phantom_999, 23 July 2013 - 11:40 PM.

[StriderC]

Here's a treat for you all. 

 

 

Enjoy! I think the dialogue is pretty nice. What do you guys think?

[StriderC]

Just in case any of you are wondering what's going on, she's going sage mode. I thought itd be cool if only one side showed the transformation though. :-)

[Gravenimage]

Here's a treat for you all. 

 

 

Enjoy! I think the dialogue is pretty nice. What do you guys think?

 

All of this screams" canon" this is exactly what Kishi has in mind to develop Sakura's character further. Great job Strider.

Edited by Gravenimage, 24 July 2013 - 12:12 AM.

[StriderC]

Thanks Graven! I would like a speech from Sakura toward Sasuke is something to look forward to for sure and it'd be one of the best speeches ever in Naruto most likely.

 

1. It'd show just how much Naruto means to Sakura once again but it'll be the ultimate moment. She'd actively choose Naruto over Sasuke.

 

2. It'd BURY SS. LOL 

 

3. NS would be it. There'd be no reason not to believe it at this point.

[ALESSE]

Here's a treat for you all. 
 

 
Enjoy! I think the dialogue is pretty nice. What do you guys think?

Yup I'm with you on that. Though I still have my doubts about save mode. But the speech is a practical given. Great work though, really good detail.

[StriderC]

Thanks man. Its definitely appreciated. :-) oh, I know Sage mode is still up in the air for Sakura but I'd sure as hell love to see it on her. She would have something of her own. :-D hopefully Kishi delivers on the speech though. 

[ALESSE]

Thanks man. Its definitely appreciated. :-) oh, I know Sage mode is still up in the air for Sakura but I'd sure as hell love to see it on her. She would have something of her own. :-D hopefully Kishi delivers on the speech though. 

Btw do u by chance know if there's a chap tomorow. Ppl been saying its a break week

[Verilance]

Btw do u by chance know if there's a chap tomorow. Ppl been saying its a break week

there is a chapter One Piece is on break and Bleach (if anyone cares anymore) but Naruto is a go