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[James S Cassidy]

Like literally what do we have to gain OR LOSE just by being who and how we naturally are? I Highly doubt NH happened JUST because NS shippers were like "Wow Kishi is so sexist!!!1!!" and if it did, that's not something we should be ashamed/upset over. As for us bringing the Hate of the rest of the fandom onto us because we point out these discrepancies...uhm...Who the hell cares if the fandom likes us or not? 

I'm not here for their approval/validation and if anyone else is---Good luck with that cause you are not going to get it until you are on your knees talking about how great SS and NH are and how much of a fool you were to like NS. 
 

When people WRITE [well...] their entire PURPOSE is to make people THINK and QUESTION. That is the PURPOSE of art. 

Unless of course you're a PLEEB and you LIKE just being spoonfed gruel, if you aren't asking questions and thinking, and feeling SOMETHING about what you are reading, then frankly the story is no good. Saying  "Naruto Fans don't wanna think." Is BS. Plain and simple. I mean yea, some of them think poorly and have bad ideas, but at least they are thinking and feeling something. Everyone on every-side of the Naruto Fandom has put a lot of thought into this story and to see Db84x  basically call them all Stupid pleebs is like...both hilarious and Sad.

Like I Just can't get over this logic. "NS fans have opinions/world views/expectations that are like, so heavy and intellectual~!!!11!"
So like...apparently NH/SS/ The rest of the fandom have no opinions/expectations/world views that others would find Heavy/intellectual/annoying and cause them to be disliked by other members of the fandom?

My kitten alarm is going off on that one...
 

Lmao, Yeah...I mean, how dare we have standards?

Edited by James S Cassidy, 29 February 2016 - 08:23 AM.

[db84x]

@ Tsuki 

Before jump into my conversation with Touken, please watch previous post.  We just discuss what NS want and what Naruto can provide, honestly a lot of Naruto adult fan move on but a lot of children and preteen became new fans and manage to compensate lost of old fans.

 

Honestly is your agenda bring benefit for NS community ?

[James S Cassidy]

@ Tsuki 

Honestly is your agenda bring benefit for NS community ?

Here is a better question....is what Kishimoto and SP doing bring any benefit to the Naruto community as a whole? Einstein once said that "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Do they honestly think that if they keep trying to hammer in the same kitten plot points that it will automatically make Naruto a better story or the fans are going to see it as any better of story? Will people actually start liking Sakura more or liking other characters more if they keep trying to push the idea of obsessed and abusive love and making these characters seem weak and stupid? I think the answer is a big no.

Everything you keep saying is merely hypothetical and you really have no proof of anything. For every idea you propose there are many other questions that go along with it. If the "new preteen children" are getting into it and are compensating for the adult fans leaving, then why isn't a lot of Naruto merchandise moving? Why is there more hate about Naruto calling is a trashy anime then there is praise now? How come characters are not more popular?

How would you know that the preteens are even into Naruto in the first place and enjoy it? What if a good portion of those new age fans become just as disappointed with the ending as the adult fans did?

From what I keep seeing from social media websites, to youtube, to many different places the hate for the series is getting stronger. For every good comment I see about the series, 5 more say how stupid it really is and how most of it doesn't make sense after a while. How they hate the fact that their favorite character died or wasn't given enough screentime? Hell, from what I hear from my friends in Japan. Naruto, as a franchise, is pretty much dead and no one cares anymore. The Naruto booth is empty and no fans visit it save for the occasional otaku or foreigner that are rabid NH fans.

Plus, why do you care about the NS community anyway? What benefit it is to you to come here and criticize or lecture people on such a matter? It's not your responsibility nor is it your job to do such a thing. And it is not like the NS community is going to be "more liked" because we will be "nicer" to the other pairings fans. Hell, I tried being nice and all I got was "You're just a salty pairing fan." So respect is the last thing we care about from other fandoms now.

We really don't care. We really don't care about other fandoms anymore because the only ones who are still apart of those fandoms are even more childish and are bigger brats than we can ever be. We don't need the opinions of others anymore. The SNS crowd didn't either and look at what they are doing? They have never been happier despite their pairing not being canon. The problem is or was that we demanded attention, but now...well, we don;t want attention anymore. We just want to be left alone. We don;t care about how "canonz" your pairing is anymore. There is nothing anyone can say or do to change how we feel about it.

What is your purpose here? Do you think you are some kind of savior here to teach us a lesson? Are you just bored out of your mind because no one fights with you about the ending anymore so you are here to stir the pot in order to get a reaction? Do you believe that what you are doing has any benefit or that you think you are morally correct and you want to feel superior? We don't care. I don't care. You're not going to get us to accept anything you want us to accept and you should accept that fact. Otherwise, you're just wasting your time and you're wasting our time. We rant because it is a stress reliever. We laugh at the misfortune of the story because it makes us feel better. "It serves you right." You can call it childish or something, but these are just words now.

What you really need to doing is actually thinking "how can Naruto the story be better and how can we get all characters to be liked?" I mean if supposedly giving the fans exactly what they want won't make the fandom happy, then what will? Even the pro-enders are miserable and all they can say is "We are canonz." Well, you're "canon" is worthless now. 

Sakura is hated because she is said to be obsessive and abusive, but turn her into a Sasuke's "wife" like everyone wants and she is STILL hated by the community because....why? This is a question that leaves me pondering on why the pro-enders hate her so much when she stayed with Sasuke and got NH canon. You want to question and accuse the NS fandom of so many tings, but not can you justify anything the pro-enders do other than "Well, they are childish." Yeah, we know that. We know that first hand how childish they are and how they throw tempter tantrums when you show them things they refuse to admit.

So what benefit do you have by continuing to do what you are doing? Forget our motives, goals, and benefits. What exactly is yours and what purpose could you have to be here other than trying start something? From what I can see, you have no benefit at all and you're wasting your existence. Unless you find your existence meaningless without pairing wars which if that is the case I feel so sorry for you.

There is nothing that can be done to benefit anyone on any level on any form. Any action will just makes things worse, so we take none anymore. Pro-enders won't listen and everyone else moved on. So there is no point anymore. Now we just sit by the campfire telling stories of how it should of been and possibly future projects.

Meanwhile, I am enjoying other anime...good anime...and pretending that Naruto ended a certain way. Hey, if the pro-enders can make up their own ending, so can I.

Other than that, all you have left is words...and your words just have no power.

NH and SS became canon and it destroyed the series and betrayed the fandom on every level. Instead of fixing it or changing the ending...they chose to keep going with the putrid disgusting garbage and expecting more people to buy into it. They are so pathetic in fact, that they are literally trying to bait fans back in by giving them empty promises and false fan service. This is the reason why there are so many fillers despite the story be long since finished. They lost a lot...more than they could ever get back and all because they made NH and SS canon.

So they got what they wanted, but it came with huge consequences...and now they have to sleep in the bed they made. Meanwhile, the NS community will just happily sit here, make up our own ending, and live happily ever after. We may rant every now and then to let anger out, but I think we are done trying to go after everyone else now. We tried to show people the truth and they refused it.

So go talk to them....Go talk to the blind fans out there that continue to think Naruto the manga was a great story despite fans saying it is probably one of the worst manga they ever read.

In the meantime...enjoy this.


If NH and SS destroyed the Naruto fandom, would NS and SK being canon save it? I wonder what would happen if Kishimoto came back and changed the ending for the better with NS and SK being canon, Hinata becoming leader of her clan or something, Naruto becoming Hokage and actually being happy with a loving family and Sasuke and Team 7 being that amazing team again. I wonder what kind of reaction the fandom would have....And who are you gonna piss off by changing it to this? The 15% of the fandom that are rabid pairing fans? They are not Naruto fans. You couldn't possibly make it worse by making NS and SK canon now....so why not try it and see what happens. You may get a positive result out of it. Hell, you'd probably get a really high boost for making SNS canon. XDDD

Edited by James S Cassidy, 29 February 2016 - 12:24 PM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

@ Tsuki 

Before jump into my conversation with Touken, please watch previous post.  We just discuss what NS want and what Naruto can provide, honestly a lot of Naruto adult fan move on but a lot of children and preteen became new fans and manage to compensate lost of old fans.

 

Honestly is your agenda bring benefit for NS community ?

Again, WHAT agenda? be very, VERY specific about what it is you are accusing me of doing. You keep saying I have one but I have yet to see you TELL me what it is.

What are NS fans specifically guilty of that the other Fandoms have apparently not done? I am eagerly awaiting a response to this. 

Since you seem to have missed the seminar on Forum posting 101, lemme explain; When you make a post, even if its directed at a singular person, ANY or ALL of that post is up to be answered by any one who reads it and has a comment on the subject. They can also PICK certain statements in said post to argue over.

You made a silly, unjustified, blanket statement that NH/SS= Conservative while NS= Liberal and used it as justification as to why one was more liked then the other and I called BS. I never took up the argument on what Naruto can offer NS fans because there is nothing Canon nor Kishimoto can or will offer at this point. NS fans Will never ever ever have what they want unless Kishimoto comes around and says "Yea i done goofed..." And its not happening. 

You have a REALLY bad habit of stating opinions as FACTS without providing any substantial proof, or even arguing your points clearly. 

But if you WERE to provide proof and argue your points clearly, you'd apparently have an evil secret Agenda like Me and James over there  


More importantly, I really have to thank you for the golden nugget of "If you're not a NS Fan, you're a Pleeb." 

[Bail o' Lies]

Why do people keep thinking anything about the ending had anything to do with politics anyways? The reason for the ending was "SP and SJ thought they would get more money internationally if the made nH canon." That didn't happen so they have fallen back on SNS to cope because it's the only fanbase they didn't insult with the ending. There is no deep philosophical or moral or political reason for the ending it just they thought they get more money from it. That is it.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 29 February 2016 - 04:19 PM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Why do people keep thinking anything about the ending had anything to do with politics anyways? The reason for the ending was "SP and SJ thought they would get more money internationally if the made nH canon." That didn't happen so they have fallen back on SNS to cope because it's the only fanbase they didn't insult with the ending. There is no deep philosophical or moral or political reason for the ending it just they thought they get more money from it. That is it.

I can't say with 100% certainty that the ending Isn't the ending because Deep down Kishimoto HIMSELF doesn't believe in the principals expressed in the end pairings, (because i don't know for sure.) but I also highly, hiiiighly doubt that the end pairings are a result of him trying to seed the minds of his readers with "This is what a proper woman/relationship/marriage should be." or that its him being a vindictive baby over NS fans having expectations/poor opinions of his treatment of women. 

As an older japanese male still stuck with archaic gender roles, he's just writing what he thinks/feels is appropriate.  The opinions expressed in his writing are neither solely Liberal nor solely conservative, his "opinions" or the feeling of what he expresses are in fact all over the place (in my opinion.)

The more i think about, the more wish-washy any intimated political sentiments Kishimoto may be giving off second hand seem to me, not to mention poorly thought out on his part. 

At the end of the day, Kishimoto himself has admitted that "he didn't have any real reason." for choosing the pairings that he did. There was no grand statement behind them, he basically threw out some names and that was that.

Hence why they are completely hollow and devoid of any real evocative emotion besides "WTF" for most Fans who don't have pairing goggles on. 

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

I'll comment on the other stuff in a few hour but I'm focusing on the novels for a minute. Writer of these Novels:

 

Kakashi Hiden, Naruto Shippūden: Blood Prison light novel, Naruto: Dojunjō Ninden, Akira Higashiyama 

 

Shikamaru Hiden, Both Itachi Shinden, Jashu, Assassin's Creed 4: Black Flag - Kakusei, Takashi Yano

 

Sakura Hiden, Nurarihyon No Mago: Ukiyoechō Kitan, Gintama: Sannen Zuīgumi Ginpachi Sensei, Nurarihyon No Mago: Ōedo Nuragumi Shimatsu, Nurarihyon No Mago: Kyōto Mugen Yawa, Tomohito Ōsaki 

 

Konoha Hiden, Metal Jack!, Shō Hinata 

 

Gaara Hiden,Ukyō Kodachi also the bolt novel and movie and the bolt manga. Mikio Ikemoto is the artist for bolt manga.

 

Akatsuki Hiden, Sasuke Shinden, Tokyo Ghoul (Novel), Shin Towada 

 

"The Last" Light Novel, "The Last" movie, Maruo Kyōzuka. "The writer of TL novel is the assistant that runs Kishi's twitter"? Is this who you were referring to?

 

Is that the guy who twitted to fans that Sakura is nothing but for Sasuke's uses?

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Either way as your local weather-woman I'd predict an incoming kitten with the next installment if it IS that guy. Or rather i WOULD  but alas we're all the Walking Dead now.   
 

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
Is that the guy who twitted to fans that Sakura is nothing but for Sasuke's uses?

No, that would be the assistant. Not sure if this is the guy for Boruto though...

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

If NH and SS destroyed the Naruto fandom, would NS and SK being canon save it? I wonder what would happen if Kishimoto came back and changed the ending for the better with NS and SK being canon, Hinata becoming leader of her clan or something, Naruto becoming Hokage and actually being happy with a loving family and Sasuke and Team 7 being that amazing team again. I wonder what kind of reaction the fandom would have....And who are you gonna piss off by changing it to this? The 15% of the fandom that are rabid pairing fans? They are not Naruto fans. You couldn't possibly make it worse by making NS and SK canon now....so why not try it and see what happens. You may get a positive result out of it. Hell, you'd probably get a really high boost for making SNS canon. XDDD

Even if it did get changed, I'm sure a majority of the logical fandom, NS or neutral, would call it for what it is - desperation to win back attention and money, even if by some miracle he were to write and develop it well. Unless he throws in cutting any ties he has with SP, refusing to let them do anything related to "Naruto" anymore, publicly disregards the initial ending's, The Last's, Gaiden's, and Boruto's canonicity, and issues a public apology on live TV to the fandom and spills the beans on what went on behind the scenes that lead to such a cluster, only then will people like me give him any benefit of the doubt if he were to change the ending like that.

[Bail o' Lies]

The only assistant of Kishi (that I know of) that is involved with any of the next gen is, Mikio Ikemoto. The one who drew that lovely poster where Salad wasn't wearing pants. i have no clue who Marou Kyozuka is beyond he probably works for SP and he wrote the last.

[Bail o' Lies]

Even if it did get changed, I'm sure a majority of the logical fandom, NS or neutral, would call it for what it is - desperation to win back attention and money, even if by some miracle he were to write and develop it well. Unless he throws in cutting any ties he has with SP, refusing to let them do anything related to "Naruto" anymore, publicly disregards the initial ending's, The Last's, Gaiden's, and Boruto's canonicity, and issues a public apology on live TV to the fandom and spills the beans on what went on behind the scenes that lead to such a cluster, only then will people like me give him any benefit of the doubt if he were to change the ending like that.

They are already desperately trying to win back the fans they lost. They basically abandoned nH and ss by the gaiden. They went to SNS with the Bolt movie and are making a NS clone with BS.

[db84x]

@ Tsuki

I never said all NS follow your injected idea, but you and your friend act made NS identical with heavy issue like feminist or equality.  Most of debate in past NS always use feminist or equality argument, even Kishi and pro ending insulted as sexism.  So when Kishi declare NS void, Naruto fandom follow because we tired with your preach.

 

@ Bail

Naruto already end so its fade already expected, most of fans wait for Boruto.  About shipping, like Neon said in her post, fandom simply don't care about it.

[James S Cassidy]

Even if it did get changed, I'm sure a majority of the logical fandom, NS or neutral, would call it for what it is - desperation to win back attention and money, even if by some miracle he were to write and develop it well. Unless he throws in cutting any ties he has with SP, refusing to let them do anything related to "Naruto" anymore, publicly disregards the initial ending's, The Last's, Gaiden's, and Boruto's canonicity, and issues a public apology on live TV to the fandom and spills the beans on what went on behind the scenes that lead to such a cluster, only then will people like me give him any benefit of the doubt if he were to change the ending like that.

He might as well. He can't hurt Naruto's reputation anymore now. I mean, they already look desperate. Kishimoto and SP really put themselves in a position where nothing they can do will ever 100% full redeem the Naruto stuff, but from the way I say...ANY improvement is better than not improving at all.

If you're in a hole, there is nowhere to go, but up...unless you are dumb enough to keep digging deeper.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

@ Tsuki

I never said all NS follow your injected idea, but you and your friend act made NS identical with heavy issue like feminist or equality.  Most of debate in past NS always use feminist or equality argument, even Kishi and pro ending insulted as sexism.  So when Kishi declare NS void, Naruto fandom follow because we tired with your preach.

 

@ Bail

Naruto already end so its fade already expected, most of fans wait for Boruto.  About shipping, like Neon said in her post, fandom simply don't care about it.

Again, waiting for you to specifically explain to ME what my so called "Agenda" is and how i have used NS to justify it.

Yes yes, please do broadly paint NS as the ONLY people in the fandom who have said "Wow...Kishimoto is kinda sexist, look how little screen time he gives them and when he does, he does it BADLY."

You know Tsunade fans haven't noticed it. You know there aren't any HINATA fans who have noticed it,  and hell no, it can't possibly be that just SAKURA fan's in general who have noticed it. No way in hell the I.Q of people from outside NS-shippers could possibly pick up on this Inception style stuff!

Apparently its Just NS fans who are howling like a bunch of monkeys in the zoo over his poor treatment of women Again Good Job painting the rest of the fandom as a bunch of dumb plebeians who can't come close to the wisdom of NS fans. I applaud you, you are far more insulting to them then I've ever been. 

 Why i should care what the rest of the fandom does or does not do? I'll wait for an answer on this too. 

I never claimed that the ending came about because of sexism. I claimed that LEGITIMATE gender inequality and archaic stereotypes are a problem in Japanese society TODAY. I pointed out instances of that problematic thinking in the manga. In-fact, to be frank I only mentioned Naruto briefly and instead talked at length about real life instances. You seem pretty upset that people DARE bring up the issue of Sexism/inequality when it comes to Naruto though since a small thing like this somehow turns you against NS fans. 


 

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 29 February 2016 - 11:27 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

Why do people keep thinking anything about the ending had anything to do with politics anyways? The reason for the ending was "SP and SJ thought they would get more money internationally if the made nH canon." That didn't happen so they have fallen back on SNS to cope because it's the only fanbase they didn't insult with the ending. There is no deep philosophical or moral or political reason for the ending it just they thought they get more money from it. That is it.

Even funnier when you realize that db84x was the one that put the idea of politics associated with pairings and no one else ever thought of this until now. We never even talked about this. So in essence, db is the one who brought it up....and thus db here is the one not giving any benefit to the NS community.

So db, what benefit does your agenda have to the NS community? I notice you fail to answer this question before so I will ask it again.

 

[NeonRanger]

@HalfDemon; Agree.

 

Changing the ending, paring wise, will lose the purpose in why NS made sense in the first place. Even if he took back The Last and Bolt, what makes you think it sincere? Kishi made it clear that he only ships SNS. And look at all the SNS fanservice, including the CD. In the end it would only look worse on NS, our fandom pride ourselves shipping NS because of the subtle yet growing development. To  have it canon after all this kitten will only make us look like we are taking leftovers off a dying franchise. I don't care much about SS/ NH fans, but for some it would be hard facing them because for them we became canon because we bring in profit. Then you have SNS, NH, and SS.  You think they are not going to kitten about this? Look what NH did. It would only go in a circle and very soon Kishi will "apologize" to NH. This is the Naruto fandom. We are pretty much the crappiest fandom in anime existence. Opinions are not welcome, and facts are kitten because no one cares. If we were open minded and accepting, we would have had a completely different ending. 

 

Plus, Kishi doesn't own Naruto completely anymore, he gave most of his rights to SJ; why else is the Bolt series being made by different people? And SP controls the Naruto anime.  

[James S Cassidy]

@HalfDemon; Agree.

 

Changing the ending, paring wise, will lose the purpose in why NS made sense in the first place. Even if he took back The Last and Bolt, what makes you think it sincere? Kishi made it clear that he only ships SNS. And look at all the SNS fanservice, including the CD. In the end it would only look worse on NS, our fandom pride ourselves shipping NS because of the subtle yet growing development. To  have it canon after all this kitten will only make us look like we are taking leftovers off a dying franchise. I don't care much about SS/ NH fans, but for some it would be hard facing them because for them we became canon because we bring in profit. Then you have SNS, NH, and SS.  You think they are not going to kitten about this? Look what NH did. It would only go in a circle and very soon Kishi will "apologize" to NH. This is the Naruto fandom. We are pretty much the crappiest fandom in anime existence. Opinions are not welcome, and facts are kitten because no one cares. If we were open minded and accepting, we would have had a completely different ending. 

 

Plus, Kishi doesn't own Naruto completely anymore, he gave most of his rights to SJ; why else is the Bolt series being made by different people? And SP controls the Naruto anime.  

I am sorry, but I completely disagree with this. Sakura is already the most hated character and NS is still looked so down upon that how can we look possibly any worse? Also, how would this look bad on us if we didn't do anything? You assume that Kishimoto wouldn't be sincere about it, but what if he was? How much would that change that outcome? Getting the ending change is not enough...people keep forgetting that there is more to it than that. Way more to it than that, but unless we specify, people don't put two and tow together so easily.

Who cares what the fandom thinks now? I mean honestly, why would it matter? All I care about is the story now. The fandom can float and sputter for all I care. They don't know good anime or stories even if it bit them in the backside, but like I said, we wouldn't be losing anything...we'd just be gaining more ammunition. Change the ending to NS and then I can use the whole "Respect the author's decisions" argument right back at them.

I would love for the ending to be changed JUST to see the fandom blow up again and watch with popcorn. The story is already ruined and the fandom is already seen as garbage....might as well have a little fun now...

Things can not get possibly any worse with this....
 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 01 March 2016 - 06:19 AM.

[NeonRanger]

@James: I mentioned below how Kishi gave his rights up. Long since Naruto reach its hieght of popularity, Naruto is now a trademark. Kishi doesn't have 100% full ownership of his series anymore, in fact he just gave the rest of his work to his assistant, who will be doing the Bolt series. If he really cared, he wouldn't have done that. He also wouldn't have gave SP full reign on the The Last, but he did.

 

He does not care at all for NS/NH or SS. Only SNS. Bolt was the only movie where he physically wrote and directed the script/ movie, even dedicated his time with manga panels he drew for plot points, and it was SNS fan service. In his interview he said himself that he wanted to have Sasuke and Naruto hold hands, but his editor told him no. In every interview that involves SNS, he would always go in depth about their "deep bond" even though it's straight up bull. SNS are only the only fandom canon and fanon to get more fan service than any other ship. Junko and Non-tan themselves are voicing the "SNS" CD. Every single drawing of Naruto he created for promotion or for fans, Sasuke was right next to him. 

 

Kishi "forgot" Sakura. He called Sakura an "addict" for Sasuke. In Gaiden, Sasuke and Naruto contacted each other more than their own wives, and Sakura was depicted as a desperate housewife; Sasuke came off as an intellectual Saint. Even Karin had better character in Gaiden. Every since The Last Sakura was reduce to a cupid for NH. If he gave a kitten about Sakura, this ending wouldn't exist, ch. 615 wouldn't exist, ch. 636, Kishi making the Hinata vs. Pain filler canon in The Last. Even the confession was horrible, because Naruto himself said in ch. 470, that the POAL wasn't just about her, it was about Sasuke; that even if she dropped the POAL, he would still carry it on from him to Sasuke. Sakura was only given power ups to be a Tsunade lite and was shat on by Sasuke every other chapter from the War. In 693, she was kitten on, and Naruto only looked on with mocked disappointment, more concern about his fight with Sasuke than anything. Then you have 699 and 700. 

 

I'm sorry but I don't find him sincere at all for NS. And why I feel (and some) insulted if there was NS. From they way things are, Kishi looks more than willing to change the ending into SNS if he was in a better company. I honestly believe that SNS would have been canon but was risky for the general audience, because I never seen someone so dedicated towards.

 

We are not canon; we were called a red-herring, developed for the sake of rivalry, made no sense, Sakura wasn't compatable for Naruto, Hinata was always there....

 

SS was horrible, but shat on towards Gaiden and recent interviews. 

 

SK is not canon; Kishi confirmed in Gaiden that Karin's love for Sasuke is selfless.

 

NH got a movie; only positive interviews (majority didn't have crap about neji), family photos buy SP, NNS4 is every NH fans dream, and it's already been confined that they are releasing NH family special this summer. 

 

SNS is winning both in canon and fanon. 

 

If if they cared why is NH still being promoted? Because they don't care, and as long as rabid fans are supporting it, it's a win-win.

 

Kishi ships SNS, SP/CC2 Ships NH/SNS, and Shueshia don't care as long as enough money is going in. NS/SS/Sakura fans have been treated like garbage (even though SS is horrible imho). So them "apologizing" to me, would be fake. Accepting would mean, to me, that after all I've been through after the ending, being treated like some delusional shipper, destroying any bond NS had, to the Franchise it would be that they ran out of money, "but we have desperate NS who are willing to take anything we spit out." If an alt ending happen right after the Last, I would have been okay. But after all this, if it happen now, I will not like NS. I'm perfectly content with fanon, because no one can touch it. Having it touched now only means to me that they are trying to get fans back rather than acknowledge that they kittened up.

 

I do not see Kishi as sincere if he's willing to put more effort on SNS, and actually gave SK a proper closure in Gaiden. Kishi is just another anti-Sakura fan like the rest in this fandom; he just hid it well enough until the ending so he could bait us into paring wars a litle more longer. He's over Naruto because he wasn't allowed to have his favorite characters (SNS) to be together, and realized he needed a hetero paring. He never cared but tolerated Hinata so bam NH happen. Sakura had to be with someone so Sasuke it is. 

Edited by NeonRanger, 01 March 2016 - 06:31 AM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

No, that would be the assistant. Not sure if this is the guy for Boruto though...

 

I though it was the same guy that came onto Kishi's staff 2010 and wrote TL or is a different assisstant. Now I'm totally confused.

 

@James: I mentioned below how Kishi gave his rights up. Long since Naruto reach its hieght of popularity, Naruto is now a trademark. Kishi doesn't have 100% full ownership of his series anymore, in fact he just gave the rest of his work to his assistant, who will be doing the Bolt series. If he really cared, he wouldn't have done that. He also wouldn't have gave SP full reign on the The Last, but he did.

 

He does not care at all for NS/NH or SS. Only SNS. Bolt was the only movie where he physically wrote and directed the script/ movie, even dedicated his time with manga panels he drew for plot points, and it was SNS fan service. In his interview he said himself that he wanted to have Sasuke and Naruto hold hands, but his editor told him no. In every interview that involves SNS, he would always go in depth about their "deep bond" even though it's straight up bull. SNS are only the only fandom canon and fanon to get more fan service than any other ship. Junko and Non-tan themselves are voicing the "SNS" CD. Every single drawing of Naruto he created for promotion or for fans, Sasuke was right next to him. 

 

Kishi "forgot" Sakura. He called Sakura an "addict" for Sasuke. In Gaiden, Sasuke and Naruto contacted each other more than their own wives, and Sakura was depicted as a desperate housewife; Sasuke came off as an intellectual Saint. Even Karin had better character in Gaiden. Every since The Last Sakura was reduce to a cupid for NH. If he gave a kitten about Sakura, this ending wouldn't exist, ch. 615 wouldn't exist, ch. 636, Kishi making the Hinata vs. Pain filler canon in The Last. Even the confession was horrible, because Naruto himself said in ch. 470, that the POAL wasn't just about her, it was about Sasuke; that even if she dropped the POAL, he would still carry it on from him to Sasuke. Sakura was only given power ups to be a Tsunade lite and was shat on by Sasuke every other chapter from the War. In 693, she was kitten on, and Naruto only looked on with mocked disappointment, more concern about his fight with Sasuke than anything. Then you have 699 and 700. 

 

I'm sorry but I don't find him sincere at all for NS. And why I feel (and some) insulted if there was NS. From they way things are, Kishi looks more than willing to change the ending into SNS if he was in a better company. I honestly believe that SNS would have been canon but was risky for the general audience, because I never seen someone so dedicated towards.

 

We are not canon; we were called a red-herring, developed for the sake of rivalry, made no sense, Sakura wasn't compatable for Naruto, Hinata was always there....

 

SS was horrible, but shat on towards Gaiden and recent interviews. 

 

SK is not canon; Kishi confirmed in Gaiden that Karin's love for Sasuke is selfless.

 

NH got a movie; only positive interviews (majority didn't have crap about neji), family photos buy SP, NNS4 is every NH fans dream, and it's already been confined that they are releasing NH family special this summer. 

 

SNS is winning both in canon and fanon. 

 

If if they cared why is NH still being promoted? Because they don't care, and as long as rabid fans are supporting it, it's a win-win.

 

Kishi ships SNS, SP/CC2 Ships NH/SNS, and Shueshia don't care as long as enough money is going in. NS/SS/Sakura fans have been treated like garbage (even though SS is horrible imho). So them "apologizing" to me, would be fake. Accepting would mean, to me, that after all I've been through after the ending, being treated like some delusional shipper, destroying any bond NS had, to the Franchise it would be that they ran out of money, "but we have desperate NS who are willing to take anything we spit out." If an alt ending happen right after the Last, I would have been okay. But after all this, if it happen now, I will not like NS. I'm perfectly content with fanon, because no one can touch it. Having it touched now only means to me that they are trying to get fans back rather than acknowledge that they kittened up.

 

I do not see Kishi as sincere if he's willing to put more effort on SNS, and actually gave SK a proper closure in Gaiden. Kishi is just another anti-Sakura fan like the rest in this fandom; he just hid it well enough until the ending so he could bait us into paring wars a litle more longer. He's over Naruto because he wasn't allowed to have his favorite characters (SNS) to be together, and realized he needed a hetero paring. He never cared but tolerated Hinata so bam NH happen. Sakura had to be with someone so Sasuke it is. 

 

I don't think Kishi is literally a full anti-Sakura. He hates Sakura for what she is and what became of her (because of obvious reasons). He even chose to say that he liked Sakura at the 2015 Jump Festa (on Dec, 20, 2014)because with the all the pressure he was receiving, and this lead to Junko telling him to shut up in a polite way, "Please be silent, sensei." The way I see it, Kishi already gave us his original intent on the endgame pairing he considered going with NS, but used his pettiness of Hinata was a BS excuse of him to coping out. Kishi does not care for Naruto and frankly, Kishi is too ashamed or denial to redo the ending and make it NS.

 

One, there will be little no profit to gain from it. 2. Even if Shuiesha and SJ considered the possibilities or know for a fact that NS could bring them millions, they are too biased and too hateful of Sakura's character redo the ending. They have a right to refused kishi's submissions. The leaked rumors a year ago about the Sakura hate and how Shuiesha editors refused to give a Sakura an ending (perhaps NS) proves how toxic the shonen manga industry really is. Kishi's options are verbally or through doujinshi. And 3 There is hardly enough inspiration to give him the courage to redo the ending because he no longer cares. There has to be some author like me, Kirabook or some unknown author out there to incorporate NS into their original works gets very recognized a popular enough "worldwide" to be very convincing to turn Kishi's eye.  Otherwise, he's going to stick to that sc-fi manga of his the is upcoming and never turn back.

Edited by Konoha'sCrimsonFox, 01 March 2016 - 09:30 AM.