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[FireFox]

I'm sure it is, there are plenty of readers willing to turn a blind eye to his mass murder who still want Sasuke castrated. If that's the cheap hook they use, fine. S'okay as long as his doesn't off a fan favorite, I suppose.

So Obito has those elements. Who cares?

I don't care about for remorseful feelings. It's about as meaningful as saying at least Obito had good intentions when he murdered all those people. His crimes are too horrific for it to count for anything. His possession of them doesn't make me feel better about what Naruto did. I still think it was bad. The whole thing is appaling. Sasuke is bad, but he's an amateur compared to Obito. Obito feeling bad doesn't bring him higher up the P-O-S ladder. He's too far for me to care what he feels.

LOL Readers and by that I mean a die hard fans of both of their characters are already turning a blind eye on this as for me I already said it they can burn alive for all I care for it still wouldn't make me feel sorry or sympathize with them  .

 

I didn't mean to say "Who cares" as a way to erase what he has done that was not my intention at all  I was trying to point out that even as you say Sasuke is an amateur compare to Obito his redemption will be better executed then Sasuke which will come at the very end out of the blue without showing nothing before  and this is the truth . 

 

And Obito having those elements doesn't make me feel or sympathize with him that factor is long gone with the both of them but from an execution point of view his redemption no matter how awful it is done will be better done compare to Sasuke's  bc Sasuke's will be done at the very end , out of the blue , without working for it and without showing nothing before it will be handed to him on a silver plate like everything else is for him in this manga  and by this I don't mean that Obito's redemption makes sense or is OK just that its better executed  then Sasuke's one  this was my point in the first place .

[ioria]

No one answered my question.. maybe it was really stupid of me

 

About the Obito VS Sasuke contest.. Obito-the-mass-murderer wins the evil prize!

[Gojira]

No one answered my question.. maybe it was really stupid of me

 

About the Obito VS Sasuke contest.. Obito-the-mass-murderer wins the evil prize!

What was the question.

 

Obito as a villain started go through a rapid decline in quality when the mask came off and everything was about Rin dying. It honestly feels like he turned into another character when the mask came off because this entire motivation feels right the kitten out of nowhere....still leagues above Sauce as a villain though. 

[ioria]

I asked if Obito could perform Rinne Tensei *again*.

 

Anyway, Obito became a mass-murderer because he wanted to: I can't pity him at all.

[only Naruto]

LOL Readers and by that I mean a die hard fans of both of their characters are already turning a blind eye on this as for me I already said it they can burn alive for all I care for it still wouldn't make me feel sorry or sympathize with them  .

 

I didn't mean to say "Who cares" as a way to erase what he has done that was not my intention at all  I was trying to point out that even as you say Sasuke is an amateur compare to Obito his redemption will be better executed then Sasuke which will come at the very end out of the blue without showing nothing before  and this is the truth . 

 

And Obito having those elements doesn't make me feel or sympathize with him that factor is long gone with the both of them but from an execution point of view his redemption no matter how awful it is done will be better done compare to Sasuke's  bc Sasuke's will be done at the very end , out of the blue , without working for it and without showing nothing before it will be handed to him on a silver plate like everything else is for him in this manga  and by this I don't mean that Obito's redemption makes sense or is OK just that its better executed  then Sasuke's one  this was my point in the first place .

in a short line they are both trash. but now in the manga obito changed and try to do something good because he really  cares .that is why i see him better than the now  sasuke .but as u said they are both in the trash world but sasuke is lower than obito. .and when sasuke in the end get his bad redemption .then we will judge who is better stage after the redemption .but they are still in the lowest stage of the shinobi world .cause they deserve it even after the redemption ..cause no one forced them to do the bad things .

[only Naruto]

I asked if Obito could perform Rinne Tensei *again*.

 

Anyway, Obito became a mass-murderer because he wanted to: I can't pity him at all.

 well  first i hope u get well from the fever .and 2nd . he will need to have the rinnegan to do that  and he now only have the sharingan.

yes i agree all of them chose to do the bad things and they had the choice of being a real men and indure the pain like naruto did with the kyubi and jiraya . and neji  but they were immature .but are u telling me that the murderer who in the end regret  what he did and not only that ,but he try to do die helping them .because he really care now . is the same as someone that doesnt regret and doesnt care . ?  .. .. i dont know but for me its different ..so what about u .

Edited by only Naruto, 04 July 2014 - 11:54 AM.

[only Naruto]

What was the question.

 

Obito as a villain started go through a rapid decline in quality when the mask came off and everything was about Rin dying. It honestly feels like he turned into another character when the mask came off because this entire motivation feels right the kitten out of nowhere....still leagues above Sauce as a villain though. 

obitos actions were worst than sasuke . but obitos reasons where better than sasukes  reasons .which when u have to judge a person u will have to judge them .about their intentions and actions if u were going to judge where is their stage in the  trash world even after the redemption . cause they will need a 700 new chapters and 15 more years doing only good things .then we will believe that they are a good people as they used to be when the manga startd ( hahaha  even that will make sasuke worst than obito cause he was mean and cold  ooh sasuke i feel sorry for u and pitiful) . while the elite best people like naruto and jiraya . are always better . cause they have 1400 chapter of only a good things .  

[TouKen4Life3g]

I should have expected Kishi to put up a search party for Sasuke as soon as he was thrown into that desert. I find it ridiculous-- why have him lost in the first place if he's going to be saved within a few chapters. Oh well. Let's hope he manages to at least pass out from heat stroke?

Not unless we get a swerve. At times, we ended up getting that like it should be easy Minato to give Naruto his other half of Kuruma, but then denied, having to lead Obito turning face (crowd cheers, wrestling reference), Obito being the one sent to the Kamui dimension, and you know the rest. The point is it's possible it won't be as simple as go there and get him back, back to the fight. I feel like they are going discover something while doing so, leading to a development in course of battle. Know what I mean?

[AzureWaters]

Not unless we get a swerve. At times, we ended up getting that like it should be easy Minato to give Naruto his other half of Kuruma, but then denied, having to lead Obito turning face (crowd cheers, wrestling reference), Obito being the one sent to the Kamui dimension, and you know the rest. The point is it's possible it won't be as simple as go there and get him back, back to the fight. I feel like they are going discover something while doing so, leading to a development in course of battle. Know what I mean?

I also doubt they'll find Sasuke in one or two chapters, and this is obviously a setup for some other conflict, but I'm not sure what that means exactly. At the very least I expect them to find a vulnerability within Kaguya's dimension.

 

I would enjoy NaruSaku moments too. I just hope whatever trouble they find doesn't make the clone disappear.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I also doubt they'll find Sasuke in one or two chapters, and this is obviously a setup for some other conflict, but I'm not sure what that means exactly. At the very least I expect them to find a vulnerability within Kaguya's dimension.

 

I would enjoy NaruSaku moments too. I just hope whatever trouble they find doesn't make the clone disappear.

I understand. I mean I can't say I know what's going to happen, but I get the feeling it won't be that easy. For all we know, this could be the focus of the volume. If counted right, this is the fourth chapter of the volume. Usually things accelerate into bigger things and such, like how that volume with 662, once Sasuke got stabbed, the race to save Naruto and Sasuke begins. So who knows, but I understand what you mean.

[Luna]

To think Love and Power is the root to all evil in Naruto. Love pushed Obito to do what he did and pushed Madara and Sasuke to commit unspeakable things.

[Silentraider52]

But here's the thing, Naruto didn't have a family because of Obito and you don't see him lashing out by starting a terrorist organization and paper-bombing babies. Think about the emotional affect it must have had on this kid by being shunned by majority of village and having no idea why. Think about how he must have felt seeing all the kids being picked up by their parents from the playground, and Naruto left alone to walk home by himself. I feel no sympathy whatsoever for putting Naruto through that.

Trust me man. When it comes to what Naruto's had to endure his whole life, none of the villains, past or present, get any of my sympathy. During their height as the main antagonists, I despised both Obito and Madara more than you could ever believe for being responsible for making Naruto's life a living hell. I'm just at least sympathizing with what Obito's lost at least and I'm only giving him a chance because he does have genuine remorse for what he's done. Not like that matters in the end but that's just the kind of guy I am.

 

Also, I do find it somewhat ridiculous that Naruto has seemed to have already forgiven Obito, but that's just what makes him a better man than most if not everyone. We can also say it was bad writing by Kishi but see it as you may. Naruto's character is the type that's capable of forgiving, that's capable of breaking the cycle of hatred and who knows, maybe Naruto still loathes him deep down but right now they have more important things to do than holding on to grudges.

 

Sorry that I'm always long with everything.
 

 

 

[only Naruto]

Trust me man. When it comes to what Naruto's had to endure his whole life, none of the villains, past or present, get any of my sympathy. During their height as the main antagonists, I despised both Obito and Madara more than you could ever believe for being responsible for making Naruto's life a living hell. I'm just at least sympathizing with what Obito's lost at least and I'm only giving him a chance because he does have genuine remorse for what he's done. Not like that matters in the end but that's just the kind of guy I am.

 

Also, I do find it somewhat ridiculous that Naruto has seemed to have already forgiven Obito, but that's just what makes him a better man than most if not everyone. We can also say it was bad writing by Kishi but see it as you may. Naruto's character is the type that's capable of forgiving, that's capable of breaking the cycle of hatred and who knows, maybe Naruto still loathes him deep down but right now they have more important things to do than holding on to grudges.

 

Sorry that I'm always long with everything.
 

 

 

agree to this and adding something . it also seems that minato himself forgave/ will forgive  obito . so why people find it hard that naruto cant and must not forgive obito. ? 

[only Naruto]

To think Love and Power is the root to all evil in Naruto. Love pushed Obito to do what he did and pushed Madara and Sasuke to commit unspeakable things.

 yeah its true .and  all of the villains act cause they have been pushed by something .but that is not an excuse for them .

[TouKen4Life3g]

If you haven't notice by now, there are media that wants us to teach about forgiving, even the most outright moments. Like forgive people in the war that already killed your family. Games too. I believe it was Metro Last Light, I had a choice to kill this man, but I decided to let him go. He was nasty, but I chose to forgive. Not to go religion on you guys, but the pope forgive the guy who tried to assassinate him. So again, it's the strongest level of paragon. I know you guys don't like it, but that's what media wants to tell us.

[Gojira]

So anyone else think Orochimaru switching sides was totally rushed? he didn't even need a TNJ

 

Not that I'm complaining his plan for world domination didn't even make sense anyway.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So anyone else think Orochimaru switching sides was totally rushed? he didn't even need a TNJ

 

Not that I'm complaining his plan for world domination didn't even make sense anyway.

It's more like he's just chilling and wait for what's Sasuke's new wind? I mean what can he do. It's war time.

[luffyq1]

Trust me man. When it comes to what Naruto's had to endure his whole life, none of the villains, past or present, get any of my sympathy. During their height as the main antagonists, I despised both Obito and Madara more than you could ever believe for being responsible for making Naruto's life a living hell. I'm just at least sympathizing with what Obito's lost at least and I'm only giving him a chance because he does have genuine remorse for what he's done. Not like that matters in the end but that's just the kind of guy I am.

 
I understand. I guess this just comes down to you and me feeling differently about Obito and whether or not he deserves sympathy. If only he felt that genuine remorse when he committed his first crime, but it took all of
the heinous acts for him to finally get to this point. That's pretty terrible. But oh well.
 

Also, I do find it somewhat ridiculous that Naruto has seemed to have already forgiven Obito, but that's just what makes him a better man than most if not everyone. We can also say it was bad writing by Kishi but see it as you may. Naruto's character is the type that's capable of forgiving, that's capable of breaking the cycle of hatred and who knows, maybe Naruto still loathes him deep down but right now they have more important things to do than holding on to grudges.
 
Sorry that I'm always long with everything.

I have to disagree. Just because Naruto quickly forgave Obito doesn't mean he's a better man than most. It just means he doesn't hold grudges like most. It doesn't make him better than Shikamaru, who held a grudge so strong that he went out and got revenge for Asuma. That's pretty telling in this story since Kishi loves to project anti-revenge. And just because a character or even a person in real life hold grudges against a murderer, it doesn't make them a bad person. It makes them human. Have you ever watched Avatar the last airbender? Well there was an episode where this girl named Katara had the opportunity to confront the scumbag that murdered her mother years ago. What does she do when she comes face to face with the man? She decides not to kill him because it wouldn't be right, plus she pities him because of the pathetic state he's in. But guess what? She never forgave him, and that's ok. She has ever right to hate him for taking her mother away.

Edited by luffyq1, 04 July 2014 - 03:43 PM.

[Don-kun]

Off Topic.

All I'm going to say is that Kishimoto is a Sexiest he believe that his female characters need to take all the from his male characters and act like nothing plus his main villain is a Joke all the order are being given by BZ a male character talk about sexiest.

[Silentraider52]

I have to disagree. Just because Naruto quickly forgave Obito doesn't mean he's a better man than most. It just means he doesn't hold grudges like most. It doesn't make him better than Shikamaru, who held a grudge so strong that he went out and got revenge for Asuma. That's pretty telling in this story since Kishi loves to project anti-revenge. And just because a character or even a person in real life hold grudges against a murderer, it doesn't make them a bad person. It makes them human. Have you ever watched Avatar the last airbender? Well there was an episode where this girl named Katara had the opportunity to confront the scumbag that murdered her mother years ago. What does she do when she comes face to face with the man? She decides not to kill him because it wouldn't be right, plus she pities him because of the pathetic state he's in. But guess what? She never forgave him, and that's ok. She has ever right to hate him for taking her mother away.

Fair point. Yes I have seen Avatar the Last Airbender (wonderful show) and believe it or not, that was the point I was trying to make. I've always had trouble putting my feelings into words. Anyway, even though we've seen how Naruto acts towards Obito now, we don't really know how Naruto really feels towards Obito. He may be grateful to Obito now and as you said, Naruto may not hold a grudge against Obito, I don't really think that means he's forgiven him. I may be trying to read too deeply into it and I'm probably trying to read it in the wrong direction, but that's how I currently feel about it.