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[narusaku256]

Part 1 and the beginning of part 2 was much more tactical, which is something I really enjoyed. And I love cqc too. NaruGaiKaku vs Obito. That fight was full with awesome strategy and cqc. That's like the only fight I enjoyed in this war lol.

Not that I didn't enjoy them but 'Kuchiyose Deadlock' and then some NaruSasu teamwork and then them combining Kyuubi and Susanoo was awesome. We can have different preferances

[JILLNYN]

My perspective:

 

Sasuke: We most not die or mean the end of the world, only you and I can seal to Kaguya, you can not distract saving Sakura and Kakashi if they saved if it was because you were in front that is all

(Saying that no one in this matter more than them two and that should not die)

You understand?

(Insert here a very angry Naruto because Sasuke does not care about the lives of their friends)

Naruto: yeah I understand but as you did on the bridge my body moved by itself

They are not even talking about the usefulness of Kakashi and Sakura as ninjas, they are talking about only two of them can be sealed to Kaguya and if Naruto dies everyone also, which can not be distracted by Sakura and Kakashi threatening life

What Naruto understand is precisely that his life is more important than anything else, but only he understand and he says "yeah i understand that my life is important but can not help protect my loved ones"

Edited by JILLNYN, 12 June 2014 - 07:25 AM.

[MangaReader]

It's come to my attention reading tumblr that some SasuSaku fans believe Naruto is telling Sasuke that he (Sasuke) really does care for Sakura and Kakashi and calling him out on it... And that Sakura is thanking Naruto for letting them know that... 

 

What the hell kind of backwards thinking is that?

[Dkey]

Cmon guys,

 

What Sasuke and Naruto talked is one of the underlying themes of this manga. Doing the mission as dictated by circumstances or being a kitten and not saving your friends.

 

And Naruto experienced almost all scenarios and still fought against it from the start. For me Naruto understood what Sasuke was talking about but he is not like that . He will do everything he can to make sure his friends don't get hurt.

 

Also the way Naruto made Sasuke remember the bridge scene is even more powerful than yelling at him and saying Sasuke is stupid.

 

As for Sakura remember when Shikamaru got hit by the shinjuu tree and most of his chakra was sucked out. Well she wanted Naruto not to worry about the others and take care of himself in the fight and still Naruto helped Shikamaru unconsciously. Anyway I'm refering to Sakura here and if we will finally see some development from her after 2-3 chapters of being considered less than useless by Sasuke it's her fight and her challenge.

[Branden]

I like how Sasuke is staying focused. At the moment Kakashi and Sakura are nothing more than liabilities. I don't doubt that Kishi is going to randomly throw in something to make them relevant just for the sake of storytelling but realistically Sasuke has the right idea and even Naruto can't argue with it. I know it seems heartless but if Kakashi and Sakura were able to live for a few more minutes with Naruto protecting them just to end up losing the battle and dying anyways then all of their struggles so far would have been pointless. On the other hand if Naruto were to focus 100% on fighting his current opponent then he has a better chance of succeeding.

 

Moving on, I'm already bored of Kaguya. With the previous villains like Nagato and Madara they are presenting real (and highly controversial) solutions to the endless cycle of war in the Naruto universe. Kaguya is just a generic evil villain Kishi created because he needed someone that everyone can hate. She has no personality and doesn't even look like a human. She might as well be some bloodthirsty monster at this point. Think of the other villains we've seen so far like Zabuza, Neji, Gaara, Sasuke, Sasori, Nagato, Obito and even Madara. None of them are completely evil like Kaguya is. The worst part is that Kishi has already given us Kaguya's backstory which means it's never going to get any better.

 

Lastly I can see that Kishi is continuing to focus on Sakura's feelings. It feels like he has been doing this at every opportunity in recent chapters so chances it's building up to a significant plot point for Sakura. It actually feels like too much to be honest. There's a time and a place for pondering your love life and dangling above a lavalake during a battle the will decide the fate of all humanity is definitely not it. In any case I'm really not too upset with anything in this chapter as I've learned to accept Naruto for what it is. I'm just here for the ride.

[rocci]

@dattebayo
Naruto & sasuke power are permanent. Maybe the yin yang chakra(sun & moon symbol) the only thing that temporally.

[luffyq1]

It's come to my attention reading tumblr that some SasuSaku fans believe Naruto is telling Sasuke that he (Sasuke) really does care for Sakura and Kakashi and calling him out on it... And that Sakura is thanking Naruto for letting them know that... 

 

What the hell kind of backwards thinking is that?

If you thought that was bad, here's something worse. They think Naruto supports SS based on that scene.

 

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[Lodus]

What really caught me in thus chapter was sakura losing her headband.

To be honest, the reading was hard to follow. It had been so for me for the past 3 chapters.

My fist impression is that her losing her forehead protector is going to set up a forehead scene later on. There was so much going on in this chapter, i feel like there was a confirmation of NS, an insight to sasuke and what's going on in his head,

The panel with kaguya looking at naruto, and remembering her son, i think that she might be TnJ'd. Her declaring that she's going to "combine all chakra" also reminded me of pein vs Naruto.

Just rambling thoughts, I'm doing this from mobile and my 3g is slow. Anyone else feel the same? If like to hear thoughts - especially the significance if sakura and her forehead protector!

[rocci]

@lodus
she lose her headband to show that the lava is real.
Kaguya tnj will depend on how much similiarrity she has with naruto.
If no one then no tnj.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I did not get the 'math' you played on the last line. The 'don't see Sakura's multiple reactions....' thing. But you gotta admit it, Naruto and Sasuke share good teamwork. Whatever their differences or motives are or however worst Sasuke is or however different their ideologies are, their teamwork is plain awesome!

I mean that Sakura didn't have a shock face when Sasuke told Naruto why he saved both Sakura and Kakashi, because she knew it since she got the idea Sasuke isn't part of the team. Naruto has thought of that for a while, hence "we supposed to work as a team" back in 678. To me, it's pretty much the overall of the whole "teamwork" since 676. That's why we see it like a repetitive as we already know it, but Kishi wants Naruto the character know about it.

[FireFox]

My perspective:

 

Sasuke: We most not die or mean the end of the world, only you and I can seal to Kaguya, you can not distract saving Sakura and Kakashi if they saved if it was because you were in front that is all

(Saying that no one in this matter more than them two and that should not die)

You understand?

(Insert here a very angry Naruto because Sasuke does not care about the lives of their friends)

Naruto: yeah I understand but as you did on the bridge my body moved by itself

They are not even talking about the usefulness of Kakashi and Sakura as ninjas, they are talking about only two of them can be sealed to Kaguya and if Naruto dies everyone also, which can not be distracted by Sakura and Kakashi threatening life

What Naruto understand is precisely that his life is more important than anything else, but only he understand and he says "yeah i understand that my life is important but can not help protect my loved ones"

Exactly this especially the underlined , I don't know why is this so hard to understand or read for that matter the context of this scene wasn't about Sakura's and Kakashi's usefulness  but about Sasuke saying that only they matter because they have the power to seal Kaguya and to not give a kitten for the their lives and trying to convert Naruto to do same as him .

 

This is why you see Naruto's face shocked and then angry because of Sasuke's words . Then Naruto goes to say "I Do... I Understand what you are saying" ( with his angry face ) as in i understand that you don't give a kitten about anyone's live and that you say i should do the same just because we have the power to seal her ( Naruto in here only acknowledges that they have the power to seal Kaguya he's not saying admitting or agree that the others are useless because of this those are two different things ) . 

 

Then he goes to say "But my Body moves on my own , you should know what  that means right Sasuke" (insert Naruto's mocking expression ) the point of this line was  Naruto mocking ridicule Sasuke's POV  meaning you should understand why am I doing that because you did the same thing for me long time ago YOU LITTLE kitten , in short Naruto very much disagrees with Sasuke's POV because he's not him .

 

The more i read the chapter and i went over it for maybe ten times the more i'm convinced that people are just putting Naruto's words and meaning out of context  and there was no : Naruto agrees Sakura's "useless" (for crying out loud he praised her two chapters ago and Kakashi in this one and that's so OOC for him and puts everything that he learned about comrades into the trash ) , there was no Sakura was hurt because of Naruto thinks she useless and yada yada yada yada ( she was hurt because she thought Naruto agreed with Sasuke but Naruto being Naruto corrected that and we see her teared up and tanking him she was moved and relieved by what Naruto said in short it was just a simple misunderstanding on her part ).

 

That's all i have to say for now that is  .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 12 June 2014 - 11:42 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I gotta say, I do admire that Naruto still thinks simple things are great attributes to people, like what Kakashi did. It's not like he expect everyone to suddenly break the law of gravity or anything beam related. It's just the performance. Anyway, we get an understanding that Sasuke doing the protecting to Naruto while he does for others. That's one way to do it I guess. I do like how Naruto said first them but when he gets taken, he was upset. So yeah, this chapter is pretty much a wake up to Naruto that Sasuke isn't in the same page as he. Yeah, we all know that but for consistent sake, Naruto has to know.

[MangaReader]

If you thought that was bad, here's something worse. They think Naruto supports SS based on that scene.

 

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I've got an even better one... Land of Iron arc was NaruSaku's closure. How you may ask, well apparently the very moment Sakura mentions she's over Sasuke, Naruto makes the realization that he can never be with her because he knows she's lying about everything (meaning she loves Sasuke and he supports that). 

 

I heard this bunch of non-sense long before this chapter came out.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Kishi really seems to be shattering Sakura's confidence. There better be something to this.

There is.  The build up seems to be really slow, and comes off as bullying, but that's because of the 16 page count every week.

 

@tekopi
Naruto is a dramatic battle manga. It has more drama even in action.
It doesn't use the boss, mini boss, and henchmen system like onepiece, bleach, or fairytail.

@james
Sakura IS one of the main character and the heroine but not the lead and title character(naruto) or focus character(sasuke).

@chatte
Naruto get his real fight in pain arc.

I believe people expect sakura to become equal with narusasu.

Of course, because that was her goal since chapter 54.  What's the point of introducing this goal, if she wasn't going to realize it?  Chapter 632 obviously was not it.

 

It just isn't worth it. sh**ting on Sakura's character to make an anti-ss moment.

It's not just Sasuke. Kakashi belittles her, carries her like a doll, then she starts crying, looking miserable every chapter.

 

Did Sakura even have the tools to save herself?  Kakashi had to use a scroll for a rope.  I know many are upset, but it could be she just did not have the means to save herself.  It's an example of those tiny details that only Kishimoto really thinks about, because really, how was she going to save herself in that situation?

[TouKen4Life3g]

There is.  The build up seems to be really slow, and comes off as bullying, but that's because of the 16 page count every week.
 
Of course, because that was her goal since chapter 54.  What's the point of introducing this goal, if she wasn't going to realize it?  Chapter 632 obviously was not it.
 
 
Did Sakura even have the tools to save herself?  Kakashi had to use a scroll for a rope.  I know many are upset, but it could be she just did not have the means to save herself.  It's an example of those tiny details that only Kishimoto really thinks about, because really, how was she going to save herself in that situation?

Exactly. Plus Sakura using Obito...seems not her. And yes, most importantly, Kakashi carries ninja tools, so sacrifice one. Better be a good one because if it was valuable, well there goes that. Imagine it's like the broken jutsu of them all and wasted like that. Just saying.

[tricksie]

What really caught me in thus chapter was sakura losing her headband.

To be honest, the reading was hard to follow. It had been so for me for the past 3 chapters.

My fist impression is that her losing her forehead protector is going to set up a forehead scene later on. There was so much going on in this chapter, i feel like there was a confirmation of NS, an insight to sasuke and what's going on in his head,

The panel with kaguya looking at naruto, and remembering her son, i think that she might be TnJ'd. Her declaring that she's going to "combine all chakra" also reminded me of pein vs Naruto.

Just rambling thoughts, I'm doing this from mobile and my 3g is slow. Anyone else feel the same? If like to hear thoughts - especially the significance if sakura and her forehead protector!

 

On the surface, it seems like the headband was just to show the lava was real. But for me, I also thought it was a strong signal this battle was no longer about the alliance. From here on out, this is going to be Naruto and Sasuke battling, and everyone in their world is depending on them, even though they couldn't know it. 

 

I think that's why such emphasis was put on the headband, when really anything dropping into the lava would have done the job of showing it was real.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

When is Obito really going to die?
I mean they dont dispose his body and is always being saved on the last minute, Madara didnt finished him off once again neither black zetsu so why the reason to keep showing him up.
Please dont tell me that he's going to be alive on the end.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 12 June 2014 - 06:06 PM.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

 

They DID realize that Sakura just lost her allied forces headband, not her original right?

Where is her original, and will she somehow get it back later during the battle?  I've been thinking about that recently.

 

What if, the only way to defeat Kaguya is by destroying some sacred moon stone/jewel that's hidden in her castle? Think about it, the body could be just made up of chakra, but can't be destroyed, like edo people. So, Sakura and Kakashi go through challenges in the castle all the way up to the top level, where the stone is, while Naru/Sasu are fighting Kaguya and buying them time.

 

The boys can show off their powers, while Sakura and Kakashi can show their worth, even without power ups. Kakshi's eperience and quick thinking, with Sakura's seal activated can be all they need to get through and if not, the edo kages can help along the way.

 

I have confidence that Naruto will take Sakura and Kakashi to that castle, as it seems like the only safe area.  I just realized that the castle in the color cover page in the previous chapter was an allusion the one shown here.  Oh, that Kishimoto.

 

Exactly. Plus Sakura using Obito...seems not her. And yes, most importantly, Kakashi carries ninja tools, so sacrifice one. Better be a good one because if it was valuable, well there goes that. Imagine it's like the broken jutsu of them all and wasted like that. Just saying.

 

How did Obito come into the conversation?  Proficiency in Ninja tools used to be a thing.  That part during Itachi vs. Sasuke I remember quite clearly.  TenTen is a meister of Ninja tools, so she must really be the most broken character of them all.

[sushi.]

Did Sakura even have the tools to save herself?  Kakashi had to use a scroll for a rope.  I know many are upset, but it could be she just did not have the means to save herself.  It's an example of those tiny details that only Kishimoto really thinks about, because really, how was she going to save herself in that situation?

How she could have saved herself in that situation?. Kishi could've given her the necessary tools to do so. He could've given her a freakin' rope. It's a standard tool. The point however, was not that she was saved. It was that she was just hanging there lifelessly.. She didn't even hold on to Kakashi, it was as if though she was unconscious or something.

[narusaku256]

Where is her original, and will she somehow get it back later during the battle?  I've been thinking about that recently.
 
 
I have confidence that Naruto will take Sakura and Kakashi to that castle, as it seems like the only safe area.  I just realized that the castle in the color cover page in the previous chapter was an allusion the one shown here.  Oh, that Kishimoto.
 
 
How did Obito come into the conversation?  Proficiency in Ninja tools used to be a thing.  That part during Itachi vs. Sasuke I remember quite clearly.  TenTen is a meister of Ninja tools, so she must really be the most broken character of them all.

If the castle thing is really as you say, I wonder that drawing did carry more meaning than it appeared. I think there's more to that drawing last chapter than it appears. Sakura pointing at the castle, the castle should hold something, right? And probably, by that drawing, Sakura will be the one to figure that out, giving screen time to her. And most importantly, her leaning on Naruto and not even looking at Sasuke? That drawing really makes me curious!

Edited by narusaku256, 12 June 2014 - 06:22 PM.