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[TouKen4Life3g]

Fakes are spreading. Rikudou confirmed it.

We really are in the final stretch.

[Lídia Vanessa]

The manga of today made it clear what we already knew, the feelings of Sakura with Sasuke are not the same. Kakashi said: Sakura is a sweet girl, she would not let his teammate back because of what he did to her, hinted that she feels is solidarity, and not love. 

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Fakes are spreading. Rikudou confirmed it.

We really are in the final stretch.

 

What do you mean?

[LadyGT]

Hello everyone! long time no see! 

 

I'm kinda out of time to show up here in the forum recently, but I had to comment on that last chapter!!!!  So Kakashi reaffirms what we all were thinking, that what Sakura feels for Sasuke now isn't romantic love anymore, but a strong desire to save him, just like Naruto.

 

I really hope that after this, Kishi start to focus more on NaruSaku from now on, the manga is definitely in its final stretch so I hope to see some good NS moments before the end . ( My wish now is for Naruto to pass chakra  for Sakura through a forehead kiss ♥ c'mon Kishi I'm not even asking too much ;)

 

but there is something bothering me.. I saw this on tumblr and I got really confused:

 

http://o-taiyou-san....-for-your-words

 

Is it true? are the raws out yet?? 

 

edit: typo

 

I still don't see any difference there to be honest.

[harry4e]

I agree with otaru.

 

if you take naruto jinchuriki and sasuke eye power, sakura will relatively equal with them.

the power of naruto come directly from kurama, the power of life (regeneration and chakra).

sakura is a ordinary girl and her achivement is remarkable.

 

and sakura doesn't even fulfill her full potential that is sage mode and genjutsu (maybe kakashi will teach her about elemental ninjutsu since kakashi training is all about elemental manipulation).

 

I like sakura but I recognize that she is not as powerful as her other teammate. heck, just look at kakashi, the thing that make him kage level is gone(kamui).

 

Um....No, Naruto's Chakra and Regeneration is from his Uzumaki DNA, Kurama's power seems to give them a massive boost but the ability is actually part of a Uzumaki clan, and if you doubt me, just look at Karins, healing abilty, as well as Kushina's and Negato who both had monster chakra levels, to a point the Negato could use the Rinnigan without problem and Kushina survived the extraction and had enough Chakra left to hold Kurama down.

 

Sakura's achievements are amazing for her background she's earned her right to stand beside her two teammates even from her background and she managed it in three years, Naruto and Sasuke are not humane in their strength, as they stand after Madara they are the strongest two people in that manga world. I'd say from the remaining Rookie 12 only Lee and Neji are maybe stronger than her right now. She's also the the strongest female in the Manga right now who doesn't have the monster Uzumaki DNA...seriously we have Mito, Kushina, Tsunade and even Karin the Uzumaki clan produce some scary strong females.

 

I wouldn't dismiss Kakashi completely, his Sharingan is gone so no Chidori for him, but he does have a thousand other Jutsus in his arsenal and the Chakra sucking eye is no longer a issue, and he finally depth perception, don't knock the abilty to us both eyes.

 

Kishi has been allot more forward with his pairing choices this year, I oriiginally never really thought much of Hinata's fall, because I knew she'd have been useless anyway but I never looked at her fall before and never noticed how comical it was, there was no grace in it, it was the type of fall you'd expect in a comedy sketch, and I have to wonder if this was Kishi taking control of his manga, and doing what he always planned for the pairings.

 

I think Naruto's ability to rebuild Kakashi's eye has to do with the Sage's ability to create. The sage used the Yin and Yang chakra of the ten tails to create the nine Bijuu, Naruto himself has always been Yang himself, as was Kurama sealed inside him, now he has the Yin Kurama sealed inside him (as well as small Yin and Yang Chakra of the other tails,) and the Yang Chakra he himself can provide he's capable of recreating Kakashi's eye. Or atleast that's what I think.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Guys what do you think of this translation from the Raw version of the chapter? http://o-taiyou-san....-for-your-words

[LadyGT]

It says the exact same things, "even if you still like him" "even if it's the same affection" "your feelings changed" "those feelings are different now".

 

It could have said: You feelings are even stronger now.

[咲耶姫]

Guys what do you think of this translation from the Raw version of the chapter? http://o-taiyou-san....-for-your-words

I'm sure it's not the real raw version. because with this it's really pro SS and the translation would have been completely different, especially if you consider that most of the japanese and western fans are pro SS. If it was like this the translation would hve been:

"And Sakura, since tht time, your thoughts concerning Sasuke aren't the same anymore. Even if your love for him is the same, your thoughts about him are different."

I will say wait foe the real raw friday. Because as I said, it would be real that all the translator made of a pro SS moment an anti SS moment. 

 

No LadyGT: In this 'raw' it's clearly pro SS moment: the word 思い has a more 'thought' meaning, even if it also means feelings, but it's more like feelings of trust, thought etc... while if it was romantic feeling, it would have been 気持ち

And if this raw was true, then Kakashi would have said she hfeels the same love for Sasuke. 

I'm really doubtful about it, especially when it comes from a SS/NH tumblr.

 

And I think I know where they got the rawws, japaneses fans tend to post a script of the chapter on the net, but it's not always the exact same words, so adding the fact japanese are big SS fans, you get what I mean...

Edited by 咲耶姫, 08 May 2014 - 02:48 AM.

[megi]

THIS IS NOT THE REAL RAW. Ugh. 

 

Didn't particularly like the whole Naruto god power thing happening. Didn't like that at all.

But I am anticipating the next chapter. Very much so

 

****by the way, the "Japanese scripts" that are posted after the English translated chapter is never the real script.

Edited by megi, 08 May 2014 - 02:55 AM.

[redragon88]

THIS IS NOT THE REAL RAW. Ugh. 

 

Didn't particularly like the whole Naruto god power thing happening. Didn't like that at all.

But I am anticipating the next chapter. Very much so

 

****by the way, the "Japanese scripts" that are posted after the English translated chapter is never the real script.

 

Go megi, laying down the law.

 

The translation law.

[咲耶姫]

And here, I have proof of what I was saying. Here is another script posted by japanese, and weirdly, it's in our favor and not some SS twisted transcription.

サクラ…サスケに対する気持ちはすっかり変わってしまった "Sakura, your feelings for Sasuke have clearly changed."

[megi]

It's nothing weird - all these scripts that people seem to find are translations of translations. that's always been the case. you don't even have to bring it up, because they aren't real.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I feel like it's best to give in before Kishi do something much worse.

[rocci]

@harry
No the uzumaki clan trait is longetivity(life force/health point), uzumaki seal, and perhaps big chakra pool. Karin is special since she is a sensor, a healer, and now has chakra chain.
Naruto regeneration come directly from kurama. Just look at vote battle.

Kakashi is strong, but he has a low chakra level even for a jounin standart.
So I think sakura and kakashi will provide assist to naruto and sasuke.

[LadyGT]

Thank you all for clarifying that!!

[咲耶姫]

It's nothing weird - all these scripts that people seem to find are translations of translations. that's always been the case. you don't even have to bring it up, because they aren't real.

I said weirdly ironically, because SS fans purposely took a false raw in their favor to make evryone believe that in reality, what Kakashi said was good for SS.

Edited by 咲耶姫, 08 May 2014 - 03:23 AM.

[Broken Figurine]

I liked this chapter!

 

I feel that the reason why Kakashi focused on Sakura's feelings for Sasuke was because he was addressing those particular scenes about what their aspirations were. Sakura was primarily focused on Sasuke; she didn't mention anything else (aside from hating Naruto), and none of us really need to know that gosh, she doesn't hate Naruto anymore. It certainly showed her growth, but I think considering the trauma around Sasuke Kakashi reflected on how her feelings had changed, but she's still kind--it's her duty to save Sasuke from darkness. Sakura has made great strides as a ninja, she really has, but the one place where she was still stalling was in regards to the Uchiha. So, I found it a nice reflection. It's not like people (Kakashi included) haven't noted her growth from Part 1 before; Kakashi is thinking of growth in respect to meeting them for the first time. 

 

Speaking of abilities, I'm not upset that Naruto regenerated that eye. Maybe because Sakura can do what she can without having met some comsic sage and getting creation powers--all of her knowlegde (including being able to massage Naruto's heart without the use of justu) comes from intelligence, hard-work, and training. No Kyuubi, no Uchiha powerlines, no Uzumaki stamina, just Sakura having trained with Tsunade and pushing forward on her own. Naruto couldn't even explain how he does it, while Sakura probably could understand it better than he did if she took the time to research into it. Sakura's surpassed Tsunade on her own grit--Naruto's trained and done things too, but with a lot more help, a lot more potential to begin with, and a lot more destiny. It's cheap, what he can do now, but I don't think it detracts from Sakura. I don't think it's fair to compare them--I'm always more impressed with Sakura because you know there's no BS about it. Naruto can touch and heal all he wants, but he's a reincarnation of a son of a demi-god, bestowed ancient powers oh so magical. Him and Sasuke have replaced practically everyone, and they've been doing it for a long time. The fact that Sakura has any place beside these two hacks is again, crazy. I understand healing was her special thing, but maybe I'm not mad because I didn't think healing was what distinguished her... it was that she is the only one on Team 7 who gets things by hard work, intelligence, and drive alone. 

 

If she gets a power-up during this fight, which I doubt--great, I don't mind. Toss her a bone. I'm interested in seeing how she'll contribute to the fight and how team-work will come into play. I don't know that she can be put into the background now... maybe she will, but we'll see how she contributes. Sakura won't have /time/ to heal, or need to with Naruto around with his tap-heal powers, so how does Kishimoto intend her to contribute in other ways? We'll see. 

 

On another note, I found Naruto and Sakura's interaction totally cute. The way she was fascinated by what he could do, Naruto's GENTLE touch to her arm (he wasn't pulling her away, he was interjecting like 'hey, I can do something') and she was pleasantly surprised. Then she was quickly relaying what could happen.

 

As for her not stabbing Obito's eye. I mentioned this in a previous chapter and I'll say it again here, I don't think it was because she was nervous to or anything--I think it was the timing which honestly makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. Madara could not have gotten there as quickly as he did, because think about it. The time that Naruto left, Obito and Sakura I assume would have started their dialogue. In the meantime, Naruto heals Gai, teams up with Sasuke, and starts fighting Madara. As that's happening, Obito and Sakura must have talked reaaaal slow, because even with the question she asked, they still should have gotten around to it well before Madara stepped through that portal. It didn't really show Sakura hesitating that much, she must have been shocked by the information she's getting and feels the urgency to do what needs to be done "I know!" and then... before she can really do anything, cue Madara. 

 

It was for the sake of convience it lined up like that. Time must move slower in the dimension Obito is in, because no way that conversation lined up with the events going on with Naruto, Sasuke and Madara. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
What do you mean?

I mean is that this chapter is like the end of many things, so twists and turns start to happen tenfold. Honestly, this can't get any worse.

I may have jinxed that for SS...

[DattebayoXShannaro]

I don't understand how Obito is absolved of responsibility, because Madara turned out to have set up Rin's death, like others are saying.  In the end, Obito made the choice to follow under Madara.  Even though Madara set the conditions for Obito to fall, Obito himself choose to take that path.   Obito could have still deciding to go back to the Leaf after Rin's death.  In the end, Madara took a chance on the inherent darkness in every person that the ninja world promotes, and ended up winning.  However, Obito wasn't a willing pawn, as we saw in this war, he was deviating from Madara's original plan for the Tsuki no Mei.  He was well aware of his actions and is responsible for them.  Madara may have influenced him to go down this path, but Obito in the end made the choice. 

 

Ironically, it resembles Obito influencing Sasuke to go down his path of the Leaf's destruction.  Obito told Sasuke the truth about the Itachi, with some lies here and there, such as denying the attack on Konoha by him with Kurama as a an upper-echelon conspiracy to put suspicion on the Uchiha.  However, Itachi's motivations and actions were all true, and even what Itachi in the end wanted Sasuke to do.  In the same way as Madara, Obito took a gamble on Sasuke to see whether he would follow Itachi's will or succumb to his own darkness.  Sasuke ended chose revenge, and that makes him responsible for the path he went down, and actions while going down that path.  The only difference between the two is Madara purposefully set up events, while Obito only needed to reveal Itachi's deception.

 

I worry what happens to Obito now.  No way, his death will be off panel.  The portal in the end looks like Kamui.  So, Madara is using Kamui to get out? That means he still has Obito's eye.  There are many ways to speculate what happened.  Obito could wither be left in the other world.  However, my assumption is that Madara will in a way possess Obito's body.  If you notice in the chapter, Madara still only has the upper part of his body, meaning he can't heal to that extent.  I'm assuming, once Madara comes back.  He's whole again.  If he does, I''l believe he somehow took in Obito's body into himself to replace the lost half he lost.  It could very well be represented the same way we knew he had Hashirama's cells with with a face protruding on his body, only you see Obit's face stagnate with his eyes open showing his Sharingan in both eyes, explaining how Madara was able to come back.  If this does transpire, I wonder how Team 7 will deal with this.  Sasuke without a doubt wouldn't care, but Naruto and Kakashi would, and by extension Sakura, since he saved both Naruto and her.  They will focus on a way to save Obito, before trying to defeat Madara. 

 

I'm well aware, this is partly my bias about not wanting Obito to die.  I want to see an scene with both him and Kakashi visiting Rin's grave, not Kakashi visiting Obito's grave for real next time.

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Also, in everyone's opinion, do you think Naruto will come to relate to Madara in that they each have a rival that they wanted to surpass?  From Hashirama and Madara's history, Madara was the underdog when compared to Hashirama, and could never defeat him in his natural life.  I just find the irony in that in the dualities of Hashirama/Madara and Naruto/Sasuke, in terms of who was better so far, it was Hashirama/Sasuke and Madara/Naruto.

[TouKen4Life3g]

The way it's being portrayed, Madara seems like he will go down as a villain, not "wait...I should rethink." This guy already lost it. He blew his chances, much like how Frieza once got one last chance to walk away but decided to strike back, only to get killed by Goku. God, that should have been the ending. Thank you, fans...Anyway, no, Madara seems like he will go down a villainy way. I can see Hashirama only wishing a different path but all too late.