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[BlueStarSaber]

Me I will be watching Doctor Who that week from season 1 all the way to season 7, since I don't have any of the classics just yet.

 

I need to that myself I love Doctor Who, though I will say series 7 is the weakest of the new Who.

[shisui]

 

 

The whole Bee vs Taka fight debunks that he viewed them as just tools he compared them to T7 he risked his life for them back then sorry but you just don't do that if you see someone as tool , plus Taka is someone he chose to be with he wasn't forced to be with them like with T7 . Karin is someone he begged to come with him and didn't force her to it Karin is someone he risked his life just to save her and awaken MS  ability his almighty "Uciha's asspull power of love"(god i hate this so much kitten you Kishi) , she is someone who's abilities he respects and considered her as favorite (and this was not as a tool you can check the raw for that the meaning is different ) , The apology he gave her as far as i understand it was not just a simple apology in therms of Japanese culture (again check the raw) . This is more then what he ever thought of Sakura , Sasuke hasn't shown something like this toward Sakura and yet i'm supposed to believe that she's so much important to him ? Sorry not buying it .
 

 

The Bee fight doesn't disprove anything, quite the contrarity because Sasuke had to remember team 7. Sasuke didn't beg Karin to come with him, when she declined his offer he said he was going to find someone else. I could go on but I don't want to waste time talking about Taka. It will brings heartache because many sideship SK and I don't want to upset anyone.

 

Also Sakura poured years of dedication to help Naruto to protect her team and to not be seen as useless anymore she also did that for herself . You say because she dedicated some of her time to save him from Oro makes her special to him but show me a panel of Sasuke  appreciateing that ? Sasuke doesn't recognizes that instead he recognizes that trait in Naruto and him only he doesn't give a kitten about her .

 

Yes, Sakura did it for herself and for Naruto, but also for Sasuke. Sasuke appreciated Sakura's dedication. He thanked her.

Another thing is that you guys say is that he needs to make up for that but that is not in Sasuke's character , when he came to the battlefield he admitted the things that he has done and yet he said that he doesn't care about what they think he admitted and he didn't show any remorse not to Sakura and not to anyone else . The little kitten is like that he's to Uciha prideful he doesn't apologize and he doesn't makes amends for the things he does , and in order to make amends you first need to show that you regret doing those things and like i said Sasuke shows none of it that's why him saving Sakura would accomplish nothing , he's in this war for his own selfish reasons and doesn't care about the rest . This is why he's apology to Karin in some level works because he truly regretted his actions toward her that was not the prideful kitten that we all know and i f***ing hate and that means something no matter how much you hate that .

But to expect for him to make amends for what he did to work for forgiveness i will bet in 2 boxes of beer that you will never ever ever see that coming for him . Also like i previously said after this war he will stab Naruto in the back and to make Sakura forgive him or trust him now is ridiculous and doesn't make any sense .  

 

  Team 7 as a whole imo is almost finished 632 i think was their last thing as a "team" all that is left for them is to settle their differences and to make peace with each  other right after the NaruSasu fight this is were they will have their last laugh and move on with their lives .

Personally i have never  considered  the old T7 as a real team they never struck me as one because T7 was basically Naruto and Sasuke and Naruto and Sakura working together on some level but it was never the three of them working as a unit , i consider the new T7 as a real team and Team Taka on some level because we have actually seen them working together as a unit not as individuals , i feel like  most of the people like original T7 because of how powerful they look when they are put together not as how they work as a unit(632 again showed this) for me Sikamaru's team is the greatest team in Naruto because you can actually see them working as a unit all the time  imo.

This is all your personal feelings on the matter, not what Kishi wrote.

 

But it is a headcanon, my opinion on the matter is clearly stated "i don't know but I don't think I will like it", hardly a headcanon, I just said manga facts nor the plot supports your theory. If you're talking about my opinion about the building up for Sakura to get over Sasuke, well that's a fact there is a progression in Sakura's feelings which are depicted more negatively and all this build up has to lead to something otherwise what's the point ? I don't see how it's not a logical conclusion. Can I be wrong ? Of course wouldn't be the first time but I think I brought enough evidence to make a reasonable claim while yours has honestly little to no basis.

But I never said that in fact I said the contrary I just don't think it's as important as you're making it out to be.

Naruto and Sasuke is uncomparable to Sasuke and Sakura, the former is the core of the manga, has far more interactions and an actual relationship as bad as it is and is emphasized every 2 chapters while the latter has no bearing on it at all, and isn't emphasized during the entirity of part 2 . Besides you told me yourself that Naruto's quest to save Sasuke is supposed to be seen as positive in one of our earlier discussions, Sakura's feelings are depicted negatively and are an hindrance to her character.

If that's the crux of your argument then let's not forget Kakashi is part of team 7, and Kakashi-Sasuke isn't anymore important than Sakura-Sasuke so why wouldn't Sasuke try to help his sensei right now and restore their damaged bond instead of trying to go to a dimension he has no access to, just to restore Sakura's faith in him. Anyway whatever the outcome will be at the end Naruto-Sasuke and Naruto-Sakura will always be more important than the 2 other bonds because Naruto is the glue that holds team 7 together, that's how it is in the manga right now and there's nothing to support the contrary.
Last point I still don't see how his bond with taka is any less important than his bond with Sakura or Kakashi, the only special bond that Sasuke has is Naruto the rest is nothing more than conjecture.
Look I'm not saying you're wrong maybe you will be proven right in the future but as of now in the manga there's little to support your claim that he has a special bond with Sakura that he has with no else apart from Naruto I just don't see it and believe me I'm really trying to look at things your way. Only time will tell which one of us is right (not that it really matters).

 

You're betting on Sakura feeling that Sasuke is unworthy. She has been feeling like that ever since she decided to kill him. It changed nothing and there is no reason to believe it will change through that. You're not stating manga facts, you're being stubborn over a point that Kishi already addressed. I'm providing an alternative which has no contradictions.

 

You are mistaking meaning and screentime. For example, Sasuke always cared about Itachi and his clan more, despite his bond with Naruto was more showcased by the manga.

 

Kishi wants us to see Naruto's quest to save Sasuke as positive, even though it includes lovely moments where he begged on his knees or hyperventilated and fainted. That's just as negative as the way canon portrays Sakura and Sasuke, if not more.

 

Sasuke and Kakashi's bond is important and they should mend it too (there were hints when Kakashi stopped Sasuke from killing Obito). However, Sasuke's priority is to fight Madara, he's not going to stop and help Kakashi because his life isn't being threatened anymore and Madara's plan needs to be stopped.

 

Sakura and Kakashi are more important to Sasuke then Taka. Sasuke's only meaningful moment with Team Taka only happened because of Team 7. That says everything about the two teams and what they mean to Sasuke. But like I said to the other poster, I'm not interested in discussing Taka.

 

 

Agree with you. But what I wanted to put up was, Sakura can forgive Sasuke for what he did to her, but she will have a hard time forgiving Sasuke for what he did to Naruto and made Naruto and Sakura go through. I say this because we all know that the only person Sakura cares the most for is Naruto and she doesn't tolerate anyone who insults Naruto, not even Sasuke which is made apparent in the part during the Kage Summit Arc wherein Sasuke calls Naruto an idiot which hits Sakura's nerve and she retaliates. I don't remember if he calls Naruto an idiot for still chasing him, but it is something along these lines, but it is surely an insult to Naruto and Sakura retaliates favoring Naruto. Another thing which really concerns me is, would Naruto still forgive Sasuke if he was not entrusted with stopping the cycle of hatred thing. Answer, anyone?

 

I agree Sakura would have more problems forgiving Sasuke for what he did to Naruto then what he did to her. But, I don't see a difference, she'll forgive him anyway..

 

I agree with this the SS "bond" is so blown out of proportion  that it feels like i'm reading a fanfiction not the actual manga , they have barely any interaction and this is stated by Sakura herself in her confession yet people choose to ignore this . They have a bond of being teammates part of T7 and you could barely call them friends but on some level they are , through this manga their bond haven't been emphasized as special in fact every time T7 have meet the only words he has for her is Sakura and that's it how is that special ? Sasuke is indifferent toward her he doesn't pay her any attention now compared that to rest of his bonds , compare how he acts when he's in the presence of Naruto or Team Taka at least he has a meaningful interaction with them beyond "shut up" and just saying their name for crying out loud he didn't even blinked when he tried to kill her 3 times nor remembered her as part of T7 or as a person. Like you said the only thing in this manga that was shown in therms of SS that has been emphasized is how her feelings for him are shown as negative and that's it there is no emphasizing on their bond not by her and certainly not by Sasuke . Never mind the fact that it was shown that she doesn't understand him at all especially in her confession to him and can't connect to his character in any way . This is why when i hear or see that SS are so much important to each other and their bond is special feels like i'm seeing something written from a fanfiction , they do have the bond of being teammates,comrades,friends but there is nothing that shows in the manga that their bond is so special .

 

Your obsession with disproving the SS bond is "special" is funny, because I I never said their bond is "special". Sasuke thanked Sakura for what he did and that moment saved his life in Iron Country. Don't pretend it never happened or that it's not important. However, their bond isn't different than the bond that Sasuke has with Kakashi.

 

 

How am I supposed to survive for another two weeks? I am too worried about my Sakura-chan :((((((

 

I agree with you. :(

Edited by GoogleIsMyFriend, 26 April 2014 - 12:55 AM.

[ramenanmitsu]

I re-read this week's chapter and came up with two conclusions based on Kishi's drawing style.

1. Sakura is not going to get hit by the black rod (obvious)
If that were the case, Kishi would have shown the rod stabbing her at the last page.

2. Obito is not the one who will protect Sakura
If that were the case, Kishi would have shown Sakura's face shot on the last page trying to make us think she can't dodge it or run away from it, only for the rescuer to save her on the next chapter. I can give you plenty examples how Kishi drew people nearly receiving the fatal blow but were rescued at the last minute. ALWAYS he will show the face of the person being rescued instead of the rescuer. The rescuer's face will only be shown AFTER the rescue.
-Shikamaru, Kiba, Rock Lee being rescued by the sand siblings
-Tsunade being rescued by Naruto from the Pein attack
-Chiyo being rescued by Sakura
-Sakura being rescued by Kakashi

It's always this pattern.

So either Sakura will protect herself, there might be Naruto's Kagebunshin hiding in the Kamui world to rescue her, or something else.


That's it folks!

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Zura ja nai , Zurako da .  I think i just died                 

 

Yeah mine to he's like mix of Naruto & Shikamaru 

 

Lol at the Captain Harlocke reference @0:15.

 

 

I re-read this week's chapter and came up with two conclusions based on Kishi's drawing style.

1. Sakura is not going to get hit by the black rod (obvious)
If that were the case, Kishi would have shown the rod stabbing her at the last page.

2. Obito is not the one who will protect Sakura
If that were the case, Kishi would have shown Sakura's face shot on the last page trying to make us think she can't dodge it or run away from it, only for the rescuer to save her on the next chapter. I can give you plenty examples how Kishi drew people nearly receiving the fatal blow but were rescued at the last minute. ALWAYS he will show the face of the person being rescued instead of the rescuer. The rescuer's face will only be shown AFTER the rescue.
-Shikamaru, Kiba, Rock Lee being rescued by the sand siblings
-Tsunade being rescued by Naruto from the Pein attack
-Chiyo being rescued by Sakura
-Sakura being rescued by Kakashi

It's always this pattern.

So either Sakura will protect herself, there might be Naruto's Kagebunshin hiding in the Kamui world to rescue her, or something else.


That's it folks!

 

Then, that means Obito is the one that will be attacked, going by that speculation.  It's true that hurting or killing Obito would most likely free Black Zetsu in the process.  The possibility is valid, and if true, makes things more efficient rather than going the roundabout way of attacking Sakura, and then, dealing with Obito, while risking giving time for Obito to act.  Good find, ramenanmitsu.

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 26 April 2014 - 03:51 AM.

[melovechoco]

I just reread this chapter again..and I noticed that madara' shadow is being sealed by naruto and we know that they share their own pain,like if shadow madara dies, madara will be also..that why he need to stop by the kamuiland and getting his rinnegan quickly before naruto manage to kill his shadow right away..this could only be means that madara cannot stays too long in kamuiland. So, what if madara will make the bz to take control of obito's body completely and gives the other left rinnegan. But, sakura manages to stop bz/obito from coming toward madara. I dont think there will be madara vs sakura and obito,definitely gonna be sakura vs obito/bz. Besides, madara will not waste his time killing sakura as from his point of view, sakura just a fodder like sakura haters always said. Like I said, madara need to get out quickly from there and decided the bz/ obito to do the killing job instead.
imagine, it will happens like this :

Madara: I dont have time for this, need to hurry before that lunatic boys kill my other half. Bz/obito, this would be your last mission. Kill that girl and bring back the rinnegan to me at once. Remember, make sure u finish it quickly because I hate waiting.

Bz/obito: yes,master. Im not going to fail this time.

Madara: good. Then, i' ll be going now.

*madara kamui himself out to the real world*

Bz/obito: so,where were we?

Battle between sakura vs bz/obito begin!(hope this would happen though)

U know madara, he loves to underestimate other people ability. But, im sure sakura will make madara take his words back when she succend to kill the bz and his rinnegan.

[narusaku256]

or you could do what I do, stay in shape. That's right masturbate viciously 5,6 maybe even 10 times a day, unless you get blisters at which point masturbate slightly less often.

WTF!! Seriously? This was kinda gross LOL XD. Btw, consider applying for Guiness Book of World Records XD. Don't take it personally my friend. I was just joking. Nothing serious intended.

 

Two weeks....long time. Will miss Sakura chan >_<.

But let's see I'll play Infamous: Second Sons on my ps4, complete far cry 3 on pc. These games should last for 2 weeks, I guess.

Oh yes, I'll also be working on my first NS fanfiction!

[Shadow Wolf]

That depends. Do you want to get pissed off quick? Do you want to challenge yourself in a high difficulty? Do you want unfair consequences, such as you die, your souls collection will be lost unless you go to same place you died and retrieve it? Well, this is it for you. Oddly enough, it's still a great game. At times, when you lose, it's because you have to do better, not because the game is being too cheap. So it's really nicely done.

Ah, no wonder that Borderlands 2 side quest nakes so much sense... You can feel agony, cursing, smashed controllers..." XD

With that said, poor Kakashi didn't even have time to even ask Madara to keep an eye on things. Now its time to wait and see if that poke from Sakura will reach Obito (not even facebook delivers them so fast) or if she will evade that split-second Mad rod.

Edited by Shadow Wolf, 26 April 2014 - 07:02 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know, the way how Kakashi got treated here remind me of how in DBZ Budokai 3 game Buu does his special to absorb and before doing so, is like random. Once he finds the target, that person would be just chilling, then turn around and be "!" when seeing Buu ambush him with absorption. It almost feels that way with Kakashi.

[Askia31]

You know, the way how Kakashi got treated here remind me of how in DBZ Budokai 3 game Buu does his special to absorb and before doing so, is like random. Once he finds the target, that person would be just chilling, then turn around and be "!" when seeing Buu ambush him with absorption. It almost feels that way with Kakashi.

 

 

Its how it is in the original story too.

 

This almost killed Dragon Ball for me at the time, I was a really big fan of Gohan. Then this out of all things happens.

Edited by Askia31, 26 April 2014 - 11:39 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Oh yeah. Lol. I didn't remember how it went down in the anime/manga. I just remember the game have them like "Ah it's a beautify day in- OH MY GOD!!"

Yeah, asspull is like incredibly legal in DBZ. At the time, I just roll with it because I was a kid. Now, well it's best to leave your brain out of it.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 26 April 2014 - 11:41 AM.

[Inferno180]

I re-read this week's chapter and came up with two conclusions based on Kishi's drawing style.

1. Sakura is not going to get hit by the black rod (obvious)
If that were the case, Kishi would have shown the rod stabbing her at the last page.

2. Obito is not the one who will protect Sakura
If that were the case, Kishi would have shown Sakura's face shot on the last page trying to make us think she can't dodge it or run away from it, only for the rescuer to save her on the next chapter. I can give you plenty examples how Kishi drew people nearly receiving the fatal blow but were rescued at the last minute. ALWAYS he will show the face of the person being rescued instead of the rescuer. The rescuer's face will only be shown AFTER the rescue.
-Shikamaru, Kiba, Rock Lee being rescued by the sand siblings
-Tsunade being rescued by Naruto from the Pein attack
-Chiyo being rescued by Sakura
-Sakura being rescued by Kakashi

It's always this pattern.

So either Sakura will protect herself, there might be Naruto's Kagebunshin hiding in the Kamui world to rescue her, or something else.


That's it folks!

 

It may not be just that, but another way of looking at it is well, event placement.

 

If kishi had not drawn the rod being thrown or made it already hit someone, then it would be more direct. This time however, since the threat is in motion, well its otherwise not exactly like the other death events (or those in which we thought one would die) like karin stabbed at the end of one chapter, Neji died at the end of 614, Jiraya his death played out in an enitre chapter as he went out with a bang, Asuma had a grevence chapter before he went. My point is, given the time of madara throwing the rod and the last panel of obito reacting to it, its safer to assume that Sakura is safe by either Obito intercepting it, or otherwise she endures the hit or simply dodges it. The deal is, I woundn't expect a character death, let alone a main to happen in the situation even though they are outmatched right now. My take on it is, madara just pushes or separates sakura (otherwise obito warps her away) and then whatever happens, he focuses on getting his rinnegan and going back to face naruto and sasuke. Plus its just the time of the story right now, out of the 2 who would be predicted to die, Obitos is the bigger one in this case because in the time since he was revealed as the one behind the plans, well we saw him go from his villan state to one in which he is trying to make amends in the short time he has left, I mean he even got a scene in which if he just went back to the village everything would have been different. The deal is, we know obito has limited time, ever since Black Zetsu was coming after the Rinnegan, but we knew obito wouldnt just lie down and accept defeat so he turned on madara and these coming chapters would otherwise be the end of him. Killing Sakura in a situation that many always say she is not relevant too, well if one dies then they also must have a meaningful death, especially if they are a high priority character like a main or in obitos case, a former antagonist. Sakura's death wouldnt accomplish much storywise and just leave more issues plotwise ahead. Obito on the other hand, his death is foreseeable and there is importance in him finally dying here and thats what I believe the coming chapters will do, next chapter madara gets his rinnegan but along the next chapter obito gets seriously hurt and Sakura is safe, either fine or just wounded but she will live.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I re-read this week's chapter and came up with two conclusions based on Kishi's drawing style.

1. Sakura is not going to get hit by the black rod (obvious)
If that were the case, Kishi would have shown the rod stabbing her at the last page.

2. Obito is not the one who will protect Sakura
If that were the case, Kishi would have shown Sakura's face shot on the last page trying to make us think she can't dodge it or run away from it, only for the rescuer to save her on the next chapter. I can give you plenty examples how Kishi drew people nearly receiving the fatal blow but were rescued at the last minute. ALWAYS he will show the face of the person being rescued instead of the rescuer. The rescuer's face will only be shown AFTER the rescue.
-Shikamaru, Kiba, Rock Lee being rescued by the sand siblings
-Tsunade being rescued by Naruto from the Pein attack
-Chiyo being rescued by Sakura
-Sakura being rescued by Kakashi

It's always this pattern.

So either Sakura will protect herself, there might be Naruto's Kagebunshin hiding in the Kamui world to rescue her, or something else.


That's it folks!

I was thinking about Obito being smart enough to use put his rinnengan on the trajectory of the rod and make Madara destroy the eye with his own attack.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 26 April 2014 - 12:13 PM.

[Inferno180]

I was thinking about Obito being smart enough to use put his rinnengan on the trajectory of the rod and make Madara destroy the eye with his own attack.

 

Well then theres the fact that hopefully it wouldn't go too deep to nail his brain...

[narusaku256]

Well, Obito has one Rinnegan right, can't he just use that almighty push ability to repel that rod? It is not even an asspull since we already know it is an ability of the Rinnegan. Madara is not even complete now, so the chances are slim that he will be able to do something about it. I mean its not like he would end up being harmed, but atleast he would be startled and would buy them some time. By using that almighty push, he can even repel that rod and even push Sakura away so Madara and Obito can settle the scores!

Edited by narusaku256, 26 April 2014 - 01:30 PM.

[ramenanmitsu]

I was thinking about Obito being smart enough to use put his rinnengan on the trajectory of the rod and make Madara destroy the eye with his own attack.

Thinking of Kishi, I think that outcome is quite plausible. But then again, if Obito could move that much, why didn't he move himself and plunge his eye towards Sakura's kunai, instead of telling her to hurry up?

[TheFirstEvil100]

 

I need to that myself I love Doctor Who, though I will say series 7 is the weakest of the new Who.

oh true the only good episode in season 7 was the last one Name of the Doctor when we got to see the War Doctor as he is called.

 

But what are your thought on season 8 as I hear its going to be a lot darker.

[Gojira]

Why didn't obito just pluck his own eye out? I mean we see how easy that kitten is to do in this universe.

[Dkey]

Why didn't obito just pluck his own eye out? I mean we see how easy that kitten is to do in this universe.

I think because Obito was struggling with black zetsu for control

he didn't had the strength to fight if he tried what you said.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Imagine Black Zetsu and Obito fighting at it:

Black Zetsu: No! You missed! Missed again!
Obito: Hold still, dammit!
Sakura: Wish I have a can of fruit right now. (note: forgot the name)

[Don-kun]

Amitsu if Am not mistaking.

Edited by Don-kun, 26 April 2014 - 05:29 PM.