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[megi]

Someone mentioned that Bunta was wounded the last time we saw him, but idk if that would contribute to him being "busy" right now. The name Jiraiya keeps popping up and I'm keeping my hopes high that he comes back!

I'm not sure if there are any more slugs besides Katsuyu.

[Quinny52]

There has to be, though. There's plenty of named toads, and more than a few snakes (some with names) shown so far, so there has to be more slugs than Katsuyu. I think the only chance we have of seeing them however is if Sakura goes to train with them to learn senjutsu.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Off topic - I think it might be best I get a hold of the series (it's in its 3rd season, right?) and start from the beginning, work my way through the story so I'm familiar with the characters. That way, I'm sure I'll feel the full ripples of the events of the red wedding.

 

 

Can't say I agree with that, Dark. They were thinking about both of them, not Sasuke alone. Unless Hinata finally started to think about someone other than Naruto...

Wel i put an (?) because i wanst clear about this, Shikamaru told to aim carefully and only Sasuke was the one who had to aim, and it was show Sasuke, Kiba said both of them, Hinata said go but would be somehting she would think about Naruto, probably would add some sentimental quote or whatever.

It's not clearly, i believe it's the latter where she's happy because of both of them but i cant deny is that how Sasuke got the spotlight on that moment even Naruto said his name(Sasuke!) and then the focus changed to him.

 

I believe it's the later because makes most sense but whatever the real deal is next chapter, where probably Sakura's current feelings might be revealed.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 12 June 2013 - 11:29 PM.

[Gravenimage]

I think Sakura was happy for both of them acting as a team but mostly because of Naruto. She has come to understand how much his bond with Sasuke means to him, she understands him perfectly. Sakura has developed into a very selfless character like Naruto and nothing will make her happy that to see Naruto and Sasuke working together than fighting against each other. She knows the true meaning of his bond with team seven more than anyone.

Edited by Gravenimage, 12 June 2013 - 11:31 PM.

[Atheck]

We do understand that Jiraiya is going to be severely weakened if he is resurrected as a zombie, correct? Unless Orochimaru removed his personality and allowed him to fight independently then there may be a hindrance in his fighting ability as anyone who manipulates his movements would require some time to become accustomed to his combat style. Not only that, Jiraiya would be fighting without senjutsu as he requires Fukasaku and Shima to access SM IIRC. It's highly unlikely that they or any other frog summonings would battle against Naruto in Orochimaru's name. All that Jiraiya would have available to him in a hypothetical match up is his Doton, Katon, and hair based techniques.

Edited by Atheck, 12 June 2013 - 11:31 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

We do understand that Jiraiya is going to be severely weakened if he is resurrected as a zombie, correct? Unless Orochimaru removed his personality and allowed him to fight independently then there may be a hindrance in his fighting ability as anyone who manipulates his movements would require some time to become accustomed to his combat style. Not only that, Jiraiya would be fighting without senjutsu as he requires Fukasaku and Shima to access SM IIRC. It's highly unlikely that they or any other frog summonings would battle against Naruto in Orochimaru's name. All that Jiraiya would have available to him in a hypothetical match up is his Doton, Katon, and hair based techniques.

If Jiraiya is bought back i want to know what is Kishi's excuse to not bring Sandaime on his prime and why Jiraiya had to come back old and not on his prime.

[Inferno180]

Just checked narutopedia and a few other sites, the deal with Sakura's panel is highly unmentioned, so its going to be a highly speculated element.

 

Some people are speculating that its her having heard Sai and Jugo and knows something with Sasuke may be up, she may have heard that Sasuke has other motives so this would make her wonder what he has planned. The other theory is she got a message from Katsuyu (if part of her is still with Tsunade or the kages) and that she knows Orochimaru approached Tsunade and something will be revealed. Either way both paths will lead to Sakura learning and being impacted by the revelation of Sasuke's motive. Leads a nice unclear cliffhanger. What will this climax be? We only have to wait a week or two for the falling action. What lies ahead is again a mystery but should be interesting to see it all play out.

[Quinny52]

If Jiraiya is bought back i want to know what is Kishi's excuse to not bring Sandaime on his prime and why Jiraiya had to come back old and not on his prime.

I just assumed with Madara that it required time to make those alterations to an Edo-tensei summon. Kabuto had plenty of time to make the alterations to Madara, but it hasn't been that long ago since Orochimaru brought Hiruzen back, before sending him on his way to the battlefield with the other Kage.

Edited by Quinny52, 12 June 2013 - 11:46 PM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

The red wedding was way worse in the books x___x I mean talk about grisly...not to mention what happens afterwards-ugh, just UGH. Plus Robb was a lot more likable there too...but uh...back to topic...

. Sakura's crying probably had more to do with the fact that Team seven was together once again. ( For the moment >___>) Is there anyone here still contesting that? 

Concerning the second part, Her expression afterwards seems a bit shocked, mixed with attentiveness/focus/determination-with just a hint of "What the heck was that?" To it. There's really just no telling what exactly she was reacting to because on one hand we have Sasuke and the not-so-subtle hints at his true intentions proceeding her panel, and then we have one relating to Tsunade in the one following her. 

Although whose to say both don't play a part in whats coming next? It could very well be that Sakura is aware of Sasuke's nature, AND that something concerning Tsunade is about to be revealed to her. ( Talk about a double blow...) 

This is an awful cliffhanger though...now we have to spend a whole week hypothesizing... 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

The red wedding was way worse in the books x___x I mean talk about grisly...not to mention what happens afterwards-ugh, just UGH. Plus Robb was a lot more likable there too...but uh...back to topic...

. Sakura's crying probably had more to do with the fact that Team seven was together once again. ( For the moment >___>) Is there anyone here still contesting that? 

Concerning the second part, Her expression afterwards seems a bit shocked, mixed with attentiveness/focus/determination-with just a hint of "What the heck was that?" To it. There's really just no telling what exactly she was reacting to because on one hand we have Sasuke and the not-so-subtle hints at his true intentions proceeding her panel, and then we have one relating to Tsunade in the one following her. 

Although whose to say both don't play a part in whats coming next? It could very well be that Sakura is aware of Sasuke's nature, AND that something concerning Tsunade is about to be revealed to her. ( Talk about a double blow...) 

This is an awful cliffhanger though...now we have to spend a whole week hypothesizing... 

Worse is that i'm on a vacation both from my work and university i gues i'm going to go deep into the gamer's world to make the time pass fast.

[sushi.]

How would Jiraiya's resurrection contribute to the story besides a fun VS. battle with Naruto, or to make him witness Naruto's growth?

 

I see no benefit for Orochimaru in this case. He wouldn't do it. It would only be a plot device, and the story would be dragged out because it has no tie to the current plot.

 

I think it's mostly wishful thinking, even if there has been a few hints like Gamabunta's absence.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

How would Jiraiya's resurrection contribute to the story besides a fun VS. battle with Naruto, or to make him witness Naruto's growth?

 

I see no benefit for Orochimaru in this case. He wouldn't do it. It would only be a plot device, and the story would be dragged out because it has no tie to the current plot.

 

I think it's mostly wishful thinking, even if there has been a few hints like Gamabunta's absence.

But jiraiya doesnt use Gamabunta he uses a frog that has two swords.
Gamabunta was mostly Minato's summon than Jiraiya.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 12 June 2013 - 11:55 PM.

[sushi.]

But jiraiya doesnt use Gamabunta he uses a frog that has two swords.
Gamabunta was mostly Minato's summon than Jiraiya.

That's not my point. Why nitpick on small details?

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Worse is that i'm on a vacation both from my work and university i guess i'm going to go deep into the gamer's world to make the time pass fast.

Hey I feel for you...I have a whole semester off from college, I've basically been hiding in the basement all day for the past week and a half because we have relatives over and work? Don't have it....Soo...time is like snail slow about now. 

I really hope those relatives leave soon. It's cold down here. 

[Sir G]

Hey guys, shouldn't Naruto be the first to know that Sasuke is still evil? I thought he could sense the badness in people?

[Atheck]

If Jiraiya is bought back i want to know what is Kishi's excuse to not bring Sandaime on his prime and why Jiraiya had to come back old and not on his prime.

 

Would Jiraiya's age really have that much of an impact though? Since Naruto developed a mastery over Kurama's chakra he has reached an entirely different pinnacle of strength that few have ever achieved. It isn't as if his age was claimed to be much of a hindrance as it was for Hiruzen when he fought against Orochimaru in P1. Since the only attributes that would logically be impacted by age are physical aptitude and stamina he should still be capable of using all of his ninjutsu. Being an Edo compensates for deficient reserves of stamina and chakra so that predicament has been addressed; if it even existed at all for Jiraiya.

 

Once again the issue is related to the unwillingness of the frogs to help an insentiant puppet fight for the ambitions of his pernicious master. Much of Jiraiya's fighting style is centred around combining his abilities with the supplement, strengths, and techniques offered by the frogs. Without all of that he becomes considerably weaker and he would need every possible advantage that is available to him if he wants to even hold his ground against this Kurama empowered Naruto.

 

Some people have noted Gamabunta's absence, arguing that it may be a portent for an eventual battle against Jiraiya. Gamakichi fighting against his father and Naruto battling to release the soul of his teacher. It's an interesting prospect but Gamabunta will definitely not fight to further the goals of his hated nemesis, especially not against his own son and the chosen saviour of his species' leader's visions.

 

The only way this would be possible is if Orochimaru modified Jiraiya's body where he is capable of entering SM without outside assistance and then proceeded to either brainwash or kill Gamabunta, resurrecting him as an Edo in the process.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

That's not my point. Why nitpick on small details?

You do have a point on your post i just said that Gamabunta not being there doesnt not hint that he's with Jiraiya or he's Jiraiya's summon.

 

Other topic.

I dont know but i feel that Sakura may step i on Naruto's fight to help him someway and mirrors to the whole Jiraiya/Tsunade vs Orochimaru legend with even the color spread hints this.

The whole scenario there hinting that things going wild maybe Sasuke goes wild and decides to destroy the whole alliance army.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 13 June 2013 - 12:21 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Hey guys, shouldn't Naruto be the first to know that Sasuke is still evil? I thought he could sense the badness in people?

It's not shown his reaction after Sasuke's "burn it down".

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know, what if fire is required to break the shell of Juubi to make it go to final form? That would be a twist. I'm just curious what's next already.

[Gaara's hair]

You know, what if fire is required to break the shell of Juubi to make it go to final form? That would be a twist. I'm just curious what's next already.

Sasuke: Of course I knew it, mwahahahaha. Now I shall taketh the Juubi within my own body.