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[Don-kun]

If she does get into Team 7 dilemma, ok, now I can join in with you guys.

Same here.

[redragon88]

Same here.

[TouKen4Life3g]

That's side character and Team 7 in a nutshell if you ask me.

[Don-kun]

Hmm yes, that's why I said that their only hope are the kages. Almost everything is against them. The terrain is tricky now. The Juubi seems to target Naruto ( thinks his the sage?) and going Sage mode? They don't have the cloak. Naruto is hurt. All they can do if they can do it is buy a little time.

Despite others opinion I cannot see this last wall of defense being annihilated I just don't, we might see them getting badly hurt forcing them to get out the way of the Jyuubi main target (Naruto) but when the Jyuubi is ready to give Naruto the final blow he will be saved by Sasuke and Kages, reinforcements always get a flashy entrance I rarely see them saying Sorry I could not make it in time.

@redragon88

Lol.

Edited by Don-kun, 10 May 2013 - 05:08 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Despite others opinion I cannot see this last wall of defense being annihilated I just don't, we might see them getting badly hurt forcing them to get out the way of the Jyuubi main target (Naruto) but when the Jyuubi is ready to give Naruto the final blow he will be saved by Sasuke and Kages, reinforcements always get a flashy entrance I rarely see them saying Sorry I could not make it in time.

@redragon88

Lol.

Possible but I guess we have to wait and see. For all we know, maybe Madara is going to leave for Hashirama, making Sasuke and others not going there, or at least Sasuke. I feel that these two must meet each other because it's been building up for so long. Yeah, waiting, boo, but that's Naruto for you.

[Shadow1275]

Even Studio Perriot has realized how bad the stalkerness has gotten:

[Don-kun]

Possible but I guess we have to wait and see. For all we know, maybe Madara is going to leave for Hashirama, making Sasuke and others not going there, or at least Sasuke. I feel that these two must meet each other because it's been building up for so long. Yeah, waiting, boo, but that's Naruto for you.

http://img.mangastre...4df3d33910b.png
Madara bottom left panel he said something else got my attention so I'll make it quick and painless, not that something else got my attention so I will leave this to your luck.
He is basically saying that he wants to kill them off fast why is so hard to see that he is going to try and kill them off but like how the bad guys never win someone is going to stop him, after all Kishi said that Naruto and Sasuke will meet in the war, Sasuke said that he doesn't want his brother effort go to ways, all the old Kages agree that the need to stop Obito and Madara, so what does this tell the readers? It tell the readers that they are going to stop the Jyuubi not separate for Hashi to fight Madara with Sasuke since Sasuke story is not related at all to Madara.

I guess what really bothers you is the idea that Sasuke will be taking away Naruto's glory by saving the alliance ass but you're ignoring that 99% of the times the last enforcement most of the times gives the readers impression that everything will end up well but there is always an A's under the Villain hand allowing the hero to be the one who finish him off when everyone thought all hope were lost.

Edited by Don-kun, 10 May 2013 - 05:49 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

http://img.mangastre...4df3d33910b.png
Madara bottom left panel he said something else got my attention so I'll make it quick and painless, not that something else got my attention so I will leave this to your luck.
He is basically saying that he wants to kill them of fast why is so hard to see that he is going to try and kill them off but like how the bad guys never win someone is going to stop him, after all Kishi said that Naruto and Sasuke will meet in the war, Sasuke said that he doesn't want his brother effort go to ways.

I guess what really bothers you is the idea that Sasuke will be taking away Naruto's glory by saving the alliance ass but you're ignoring that 99% of the times the last enforcement most of the times gives the readers impression that everything will end up well but there is always an A's under the Villain hand allowing the hero to be the one who finish him off when everyone thought all hope were lost.

Naruto has a last card if bee gives him a bit of his chakra he gets a boost because he also obtain a portion of the other bijuu's chakra unless if that was a troll move because all the other bijuus including the 1 tail give chakra to him(despite not being explained but kishi seems to not caring about it) so there's only bee left who simply vanished like Sakura did recently i wish more from him and Naruto tag battling it's fun and cool.

[James S Cassidy]

The fans of Naruto really inflate Hinata's contribution to the entire story. This chapter linked to the almost cataclysmic effect showed Naruto as a badass and a prime candidate for the office of Hokage. He managed to protect everyone from the blast ( something a Hokage must do defend the village but he protected everyone without discrimination) and the fact that that cloak looks like fire. We should wag our hat to Naruto for what he did, and really call him a true Hokage but no, the fans are only talking about what Hinata is doing. Naruto, Madara Obito Sasuke are the main players in this arc BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON WE AS FANS ABSOLUTELY NEED TO DISCUSS IS HINATA. She was featured in this chapter/ she wasn't featured in this chapter. And so forth. I saw Hinata but decided to ignore her and didn't give a second thought about her showing in this chapter and you know what I LOVED this chapter. Naruto was a bad ass, we also had a huge ammount of reveal regarding Rin. Talking only about Hinata feels so shallow. Compared to the actions of Naruto and Obito she just stood in front of Naruto and told the others to defend him. Good for her, it's not like Naruto doesn't deserve it.

Oh most definitely. I like this chapter too. Naruto is very badass in this one and as I said I didn't expect anything different from said characters. Though when we see Naruto be this badass or Sakura be his healer and support this is all expected because this has always been the norm. Of course the abnormal will always seem out of place and while Hinata is not really OOC as some will claim, I do agree that all this is happening a little too fast for me and that's why it sticks out. If Kishimoto built this up or showed some progress leading up to it in past chapters then we probably wouldn't care as much. This is why we are not surprised when Hinata fangirls over Naruto. We expect this because of the build up

It's not even about the contribution or how much of a threat she is to NS. On the contrary I feel even more confident in NS than I have before. It's just how....awkward it is to see this happening now when earlier in the war she looked so weak and incapable of even believing in herself. How she neglected Neji's death and thought nothing of it. Okay, granted she wouldn't be crying like a baby on the battlefield either. That's not what I was expecting, but I did foresee her saying "Neji, I'll make you proud and lead our clan onto a better future" or something.

Actually, if you really want to think about it, if her contribution means little why have her there in the first place? So it is all about purpose and why Kishi decided to do what he did. if it was to give her closure, I am having a hard time seeing it. If it is for us to care about her, it's a little late for that and most here don't care anyway. If it was meant for development, why so late in the game or why no real build up to it?

So in a matter of speaking, it is not about Hinata, but why Kishimoto is doing what he is doing? What is the point if there even is one?

[TouKen4Life3g]

http://img.mangastre...4df3d33910b.png
Madara bottom left panel he said something else got my attention so I'll make it quick and painless, not that something else got my attention so I will leave this to your luck.
He is basically saying that he wants to kill them of fast why is so hard to see that he is going to try and kill them off but like how the bad guys never win someone is going to stop him, after all Kishi said that Naruto and Sasuke will meet in the war, Sasuke said that he doesn't want his brother effort go to ways.

I guess what really bothers you is the idea that Sasuke will be taking away Naruto's glory by saving the alliance ass but you're ignoring that 99% of the times the last enforcement most of the times gives the readers impression that everything will end up well but there is always an A's under the Villain hand allowing the hero to be the one who finish him off when everyone thought all hope were lost.

It's more like how certain we know it will set up the way we imagined. Kishi is a mind manipulating thinking the possible way will happen, only not to happen. While I am certain that Naruto and Sasuke will meet, but how and when they will meet is still a question. We don't know exactly, but we do know they will. I mean, Search for Itachi Arc, I thought they will bump to them, but Kishi played with us and only make Naruto saw Sasuke with his team. The point is we don't know how it will all goes down. I don't know why, but I think it would have been certain the way you think if Madara never noticed it. I feel like him noticing his presence means something can change up because wouldn't it be better if he gets a shocking reveal of Sasuke, Hashirama and others? Right now, Kishi is toying with our minds, thinking we know how it will set up, only not happening that way.

In short, don't feel too certain on how it will go down. I too don't know myself, but we can never be 100% certain on how it goes down. So pretty much, it's all guessing game.

[HauntedCake]

So in a matter of speaking, it is not about Hinata, but why Kishimoto is doing what he is doing? What is the point if there even is one?

Exactly: Why Hinata, why now??? He must be planning something for her, either death or.... well worse (NH)

[TouKen4Life3g]

Exactly: Why Hinata, why now??? He must be planning something for her, either death or.... well worse (NH)

If you're talking about now, it's just friends sticking to the end, even with no chakra. You guys make it seem like she's about to get more developments when really, it's just her connecting the whole friends got your back part. I have a feeling you would think this way too if it was another character, but I already explained it before so I'm not repeating it again.

[James S Cassidy]

If you're talking about now, it's just friends sticking to the end, even with no chakra. You guys make it seem like she's about to get more developments when really, it's just her connecting the whole friends got your back part. I have a feeling you would think this way too if it was another character, but I already explained it before so I'm not repeating it again.

lol. Didn't you used to say "We'll see. You never know."?

Alright, I am just poking fun. Although it does feel like my post are kind of taken to a radical extreme when really I am just curious on the matter.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 10 May 2013 - 06:02 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Exactly: Why Hinata, why now??? He must be planning something for her, either death or.... well worse (NH)

Well i think it was not his point actually what he wanted to say is why despict her as a leader when she had no buildup for that, it does not imply NH or her death but it doesnt make sense for him to give her development with no buildup like 615 and 629, differently from what he did to other characters.

It only made things bad for Hinata seemd that she had no other important characters on her life aside from Naruto, and forcing and bad writing to give development for her when with other side characters he did well and even give them buildup.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 10 May 2013 - 06:06 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

lol. Didn't you used to say "We'll see. You never know."?

Alright, I am just poking fun. Although it does feel like my post are kind of taken to a radical extreme when really I am just curious on the matter.

Lol. I'm more referring to the plot, because you know, side characters got nothing on it but getting shine and hurt. I'm just tired of them and so far, it's getting good again to me at least. Now we just need an excuse for less men of the alliance to make less focus. Entering now.

[James S Cassidy]

Well i think it was not his point actually what he wanted to say is why despict her as a leader when she had no buildup for that, it does not imply NH or her death but it doesnt make sense for him to give her development with no buildup like 615 and 629, differently from what he did to other characters.

It only made things bad for Hinata seemd that she had no other important characters on her life aside from Naruto, and forcing and bad writing to give development for her when with other side characters he did well and even give them buildup.

Exactly.

Lol. I'm more referring to the plot, because you know, side characters got nothing on it but getting shine and hurt. I'm just tired of them and so far, it's getting good again to me at least. Now we just need an excuse for less men of the alliance to make less focus. Entering now.

lol. I feel the same way, but if Kishi really is just plugging Hinata in there to satisfy her fans then I find it to be wasted potential. I don't know what he is doing and not going to pretend I do. I just hate wasted potential. The more he focuses on it, the more it becomes a hindrance to the story. These kind of moments worked earlier because we knew we had a long way to go. To pull those kinds of stuff now really starts to stick out and you get stuff like what is happening in the pairings wars. So like I keep saying Kishi has to be really careful to what he does from now on. And you get stuff like this "If you're only focusing on side characters, why is Hinata the only one getting the screentime? Why not the others?"

You're right it is all about the plot and maybe sometimes that is the point. How does this further the plot or how important is it to the plot? If I can just ignore it and the plot doesn't change then the scene kind of seems superfluous.

This is good discussions though. I must admit. I am having fun.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 10 May 2013 - 06:19 PM.

[Don-kun]

It's more like how certain we know it will set up the way we imagined. Kishi is a mind manipulating thinking the possible way will happen, only not to happen. While I am certain that Naruto and Sasuke will meet, but how and when they will meet is still a question. We don't know exactly, but we do know they will. I mean, Search for Itachi Arc, I thought they will bump to them, but Kishi played with us and only make Naruto saw Sasuke with his team. The point is we don't know how it will all goes down. I don't know why, but I think it would have been certain the way you think if Madara never noticed it. I feel like him noticing his presence means something can change up because wouldn't it be better if he gets a shocking reveal of Sasuke, Hashirama and others? Right now, Kishi is toying with our minds, thinking we know how it will set up, only not happening that way.

In short, don't feel too certain on how it will go down. I too don't know myself, but we can never be 100% certain on how it goes down. So pretty much, it's all guessing game.

I don't know about any playing on Kishi's part since I never assumed that.
The thing now is that we got a clear confirmation that they will meet plus evidence that shows it will be in this current battle since they mention that they have to stop Madara and Obito plus Madara is not giving us any indication that he will spare their life, I always thought Madara would walk away but lately is not seem that way.

Naruto has a last card if bee gives him a bit of his chakra he gets a boost because he also obtain a portion of the other bijuu's chakra unless if that was a troll move because all the other bijuus including the 1 tail give chakra to him(despite not being explained but kishi seems to not caring about it) so there's only bee left who simply vanished like Sakura did recently i wish more from him and Naruto tag battling it's fun and cool.

Trust me Naruto will be the one winning this war, but at the moment other characters are going to take the central stage again.
Sasuke will be assisting Naruto but if there is a final fight between them, that is the only time I can see him displaying all his arsenal, right now they will only be giving Naruto the time he needed to receive his Yin chakra and in someway help defeat the Jyuubi since the only one could beat him was the Sage and Naruto is not the Sage, but I do believe his body will be possessed by the Sage Of Six Path, Maybe that is how Sasuke and Naruto will have their deadly match I don't know but something tells me Sasuke will be forced to become the Jyuubi's house. If Sasuke is meant to be redeemed then that or a friendly finale match is the only excuse Kishimoto could use to justify his final redemption.
For me Sasuke going back to his evil self only give reason of why he needs to die, but him being betrayed by Obito, Madara or even Orochimaru would excuse his redemption in the end while giving the Fan that deadly match they always waited for.

It's a Wild speculation, but I did read something similar in some Naruto revelation theories on YT.

Edited by Don-kun, 10 May 2013 - 06:27 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Maybe it's just me, but I feel like since Naruto's clothes are torn and weaken, I feel like there is one more small arc after this one. I can only imagine Naruto vs. Sasuke with full appearance as well as 100%. Actually, if this goes straight forward, then there's other stuff that will leave hanging. Tsunade and other Kages' status, Yamato, Anko, what's next for Taka/Hebi team, and so on. It seems like there might be another arc. Let's just say they finish the war, but didn't learn about Tsunade until after it, then there's more to go on for one last arc or phase of war. I mean don't you think it will be odd to have Tsunade dead after victory, only to lead closing the series on a good note? I don't think so. Again, it depends on how straightforward this will be.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Trust me Naruto will be the one winning this war, but at the moment other characters are going to take the central stage again.
Sasuke will be assisting Naruto but if there is a final fight between them, that is the only time I can see him displaying all his arsenal, right now they will only be giving Naruto the time he needed to receive his Yin chakra and in someway help defeat the Jyuubi since the only one could beat him was the Sage and Naruto is not the Sage, but I do believe his body will be possessed by the Sage Of Six Path, Maybe that is how Sasuke and Naruto will have their deadly mach I don't know but something tells me Sasuke will be forced to become the Jyuubi's house. If Sasuke is meant to be redeemed then that or a friendly finale mach is the only excuse Kishimoto could just to justify his final redemption.

It's a Wild speculation, but I did read something similar in some Naruto revelation theories on YT.

For some reason i wish Naruto and Sasuke had a battle on a different place on a different situation, it seems bad for him to fight Sasuke right after defeating the Juubi unless if he wants to make Naruto so Overpowered that he will basically defeat Sasuke on few chapters and ends with Sasuke acknowledging him.
Time is passing and it's already May since Naruto is going to end on 2014 it's not far, i feel that he's probably rushing stuff to end the story soon, i'm already feelings that there wont be another arc, unless if he makes only a meeting with Sasuke and short fight and ends up with him leaving to other place.
and then start that team 7 "arc".

About Obito and Naruto well it's funny though because i revisited Sakura's confession again and she said she was happy because of team 7 and them shows her smiling with the team, on Naruto's flashbacks shows her similing too but thinking that she was happy because of Sasuke.
I might feel that Kakashi reveals that Rin loved Obito for some reason or not.

lol. I feel the same way, but if Kishi really is just plugging Hinata in there to satisfy her fans then I find it to be wasted potential. I don't know what he is doing and not going to pretend I do. I just hate wasted potential. The more he focuses on it, the more it becomes a hindrance to the story. These kind of moments worked earlier because we knew we had a long way to go. To pull those kinds of stuff now really starts to stick out and you get stuff like what is happening in the pairings wars. So like I keep saying Kishi has to be really careful to what he does from now on. And you get stuff like this "If you're only focusing on side characters, why is Hinata only getting the screentime? Why not the others?"

You're right it is all about the plot and maybe sometimes that is the point. How does this further the plot or how important is it to the plot? If I can just ignore it and the plot doesn't change then the scene kind of seems superfluous.

This is good discussions though. I must admit. I am having fun.

... I feel that he may thought "Hinata is popular so i can pull any crap of writing on her and they won't complain" which basically is happening i dont see them complaining, i don't see them complaining about 615 and 629 no matter how crap writing that was(nothing to do with handholding or whatever).

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 10 May 2013 - 06:20 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

... I feel that he may thought "Hinata is popular so i can pull any crap of writing on her and they won't complain" which basically is happening i dont see them complaining, i don't see them complaining about 615 and 629 no matter how crap writing that was(nothing to do with handholding or whatever).

Well, I wouldn't be surprised. Although I really hope this isn't the case.