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#421 Akashi

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 01:50 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Apr 24 2013, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I didn't say I was different I said I will not deny things that are obvious to the readers.
615 was a huge Hinata development at the expense of other characters, like Naruto for example, he was completely useless when 4 chapters before he was a beast with some amazing powers so her development was kind of force, but that's not my point, Hinata was finally able to to see her self equal to Naruto and do something for him, the romantic hint was her stroking his cheek, and her comment after he held her hand, if Kishimoto wanted to show that Hinata was over Naruto then he would go a different way about it, don't you think?

I have to agree. She's still not over him.
It was shown earlier, when alliance was on their way to the battlefield. All that talk bout walking next to him and holding his hands. And the whole "I will stop running after you when this war is over" sounded more like she's confident that she'll become his GF. I might be wrong. I hope I am.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 01:55 PM

QUOTE (Tauriel @ Apr 24 2013, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have to agree. She's still not over him.
It was shown earlier, when alliance was on their way to the battlefield. All that talk bout walking next to him and holding his hands. And the whole "I will stop running after you when this war is over" sounded more like she's confident that she'll become his GF. I might be wrong. I hope I am.


Yes It did sound like that. But thats just Hinata saying it. How is that different from Sakura in part 1 that was confident she was going to be Mrs. Uchiha.
Hinata`s words in the pairings are meaningless. It`s Naruto that makes the call wheather he likes her or not. Hinata can say whatever and be as confident as she likes, it doesn`t matter. If you combine this with the look at his eyes statement I see Hinata as very delusional.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 01:59 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Apr 24 2013, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I didn't say I was different I said I will not deny things that are obvious to the readers.
615 was a huge Hinata development at the expense of other characters, like Naruto for example, he was completely useless when 4 chapters before he was a beast with some amazing powers so her development was kind of force, but that's not my point, Hinata was finally able to to see her self equal to Naruto and do something for him, the romantic hint was her stroking his cheek, and her comment after he held her hand, if Kishimoto wanted to show that Hinata was over Naruto then he would go a different way about it, don't you think?




Yes and to make your point even more clear Obito specifically ask him why he is trying so hard to protect his friends.

Men I cannot believe that my disappointment with the way Kishimoto downplayed Sakura importance in this chapter blinded me from seeing so many good points.

I never said she was over Naruto, while some people claims of this, she doesnt have reasons to give up on Naruto but however she never struggled because of this love, also "finnaly to see her self as equal" i dont know, she was never put in a moment where not giving up is a solution, she was never tested even during the death of Neji, she didnt had doubts about herself, and also this part of you said about that, it's not being see herself as an equal but being able to "stand" by herself, stop thinking she's weak.
Still for me this whole "development" of those chapters were useless because of what Naruto is doing and he failed to redeem Obito.
It was a great moment for Hinata at expense of various characters which i dont Naruto but Naruto seems dull to me, his character is not good actually and this chapter on this week proved this to me, while saying that Obito was wrong he was exactly doing what Obito was saying all the time.
615/616 Naruto learned nothing here, it's just a empty speech.

He saying that the most painfull things is to not have his friends on his heart but instead of accepting that there will be sacrifices he decides to do whatever he can to protect his friends, in other words he doesnt acknowledges his friends and doesnt trust on their power, it's saying like "Hinata you're strong" but at the same time
shows a panel where he knows that she's weak.
It's the same thing of 628.

There's one word for it, wasted development, 610 ~ 617 and even Itachi's speech were completely destroyed here.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 24 April 2013 - 02:03 PM.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 02:00 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Apr 24 2013, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I never said she was over Naruto, while some people claims of this, she doesnt have reasons to give up on Naruto but however she never struggled because of this love, also "finnaly to see her self as equal" i dont know, she was never put in a moment where not giving up is a solution, she was never tested even during the death of Neji, she didnt had doubts about herself, and also this part of you said about that, it's not being see herself as an equal but being able to "stand" by herself, stop thinking she's weak.
Still for me this whole "development" of those chapters were useless because of what Naruto is doing and he failed to redeem Obito.
It was a great moment for Hinata at expense of various characters which i dont Naruto but Naruto seems dull to me, his character is not good actually and this chapter on this week proved this to me, while saying that Obito was wrong he was exactly doing what Obito was saying all the time.
615/616 Naruto learned nothing here, it's just a empty speech.

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QUOTE (Tauriel @ Apr 24 2013, 09:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have to agree. She's still not over him.
It was shown earlier, when alliance was on their way to the battlefield. All that talk bout walking next to him and holding his hands. And the whole "I will stop running after you when this war is over" sounded more like she's confident that she'll become his GF. I might be wrong. I hope I am.


This kind a paint Hinata in a selfish light ( I want Naruto and after this war I will not chase him/need to chase him anymore because he will be mine), that's why I don't see it the same way you do, in her confession she said that the things she regretted the most was not being able to walk with him and hold his hand.
To me it sounded like she wanted to achieve that desire but after the war she will let Naruto choose who he wants to be with, she will not try to force herself to him or keep chasing/stalking him anymore. But who knows, any of these two interpretation could be right.

Edited by Don-kun, 24 April 2013 - 02:03 PM.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 02:01 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Apr 24 2013, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This kind a paint Hinata in a selfish light ( I want Naruto and after this war I will not chase him/need to chase him anymore because he will be mine), that's why I don't see it the same way you do, in her confession she said that the thinks she regretted the most was not being able to walk with him and hold his hand.
To me it sounded like she wanted to achieve that desire but after the war she will let Naruto choose who he wants to be with, she will not try to force herself to him or keep chasing/stalking him anymore. But who knows, any of these two interpretation could be right.

Yes, that might be the case too. I guess I'm just overreacting. sweatdrop.gif

QUOTE (StrikerTheNoble @ Apr 24 2013, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes It did sound like that. But thats just Hinata saying it. How is that different from Sakura in part 1 that was confident she was going to be Mrs. Uchiha.
Hinata`s words in the pairings are meaningless. It`s Naruto that makes the call wheather he likes her or not. Hinata can say whatever and be as confident as she likes, it doesn`t matter. If you combine this with the look at his eyes statement I see Hinata as very delusional.

Sakura was never confident about anything regatding Sasuke. She was always doubting.
Well, but the hand-holding part did happen in the end. a_shifty.gif

Edited by Tauriel, 24 April 2013 - 02:04 PM.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 02:03 PM

QUOTE (Tauriel @ Apr 24 2013, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sakura was never confident about anything regatding Sasuke. She was always doubting.
Well, but the hand-holding part did happen in the end. a_shifty.gif


Yea she had/has insecurities. But in chapter 3 if you remember: Today, is the day I win Sasuke.
In a way Hinata part 1 and 2 is a shy version of part 1 Sakura and her crush on Sasuke..

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 02:06 PM

QUOTE (Tauriel @ Apr 24 2013, 09:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have to agree. She's still not over him.
It was shown earlier, when alliance was on their way to the battlefield. All that talk bout walking next to him and holding his hands. And the whole "I will stop running after you when this war is over" sounded more like she's confident that she'll become his GF. I might be wrong. I hope I am.

I seriously think we're taking this a wrong way. That's the problem in maybe his writing or us thinking the wrong way. Hinata is always the character that wants to get strong with the inspiration of Naruto. So much, she loves him. But I think this is the problem that a lot of us are looking. Are we looking the character of getting strong or getting love? For me, I see the first because throughout the manga, it's always been that way, and while yes she can get worried, it's more because she was his inspiration and seeing him lose/die is bad. I'm not surprised that Sakura is the only thinking his well-being as others are like "Woo hoo! This power is great! Let's help him." While good, Naruto is human and there will be a moment everyone didn't think he hit his limit. That's why I respect Sakura a lot because a lot of people seems to be like "Oh it's him. Nice!" but in truth, he's pushing himself and Sakura knows this the most. Kakashi is no longer there, so you can say Sakura is in charge of watching Naruto.

Honestly, the confession and 615 comes off as fanservice as well as Hinata's development. The development is about her being strong and the fanservice is her feelings for him as well as romantic tone she does. The thing is I have been thinking is all about being equal footing and that whole battle before Sasuke was pretty much clear to me because when Naruto gives everyone chakra, it's as if they are equal with Naruto. Not really, but the meaning is there. That's what that volume stood for. Now in this volume, we don't know what's the theme but knowing that we are at the limit of Naruto, things are getting very serious and when it gets serious, Sakura is there to notify it. Remember Sakura knows Naruto that he's ok and all, but when he's reaching to the limit and Sakura says something, then you know it's bad. Now the beast just did a horrible attack that pretty swept a lot of ninjas, things are getting worse and Madara most likely let the beast the whole work while he off to fight Hashirama and others. Hm, why I get the feeling Hashirama might choose to help the alliance and Sasuke might actually try to fight off Madara. Anyway, time will tell.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 02:16 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Apr 24 2013, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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This kind a paint Hinata in a selfish light ( I want Naruto and after this war I will not chase him/need to chase him anymore because he will be mine), that's why I don't see it the same way you do, in her confession she said that the things she regretted the most was not being able to walk with him and hold his hand.
To me it sounded like she wanted to achieve that desire but after the war she will let Naruto choose who he wants to be with, she will not try to force herself to him or keep chasing/stalking him anymore. But who knows, any of these two interpretation could be right.

On this part i only see her saying she would stop chasing him/stalking him the next one she didnt specify what will be but the "next part" it become to something like supporting and fighting.
On Naruto walking with you can easily be fighting alongside and pursue the same path, and holding your hand it's the same.
i'm more upset with all the wasted development, Naruto on 628 just killed off an entire volume, i thought he accepted that there will be sacrifices but turned out to be, hey i acknowledge that you're all strong but let me give you a chakra cloak to protect you guys.
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 02:18 PM

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well it seems some nh fans are using the maybe im just being selfish text as proof for nh


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 02:22 PM

QUOTE (Dkey @ Apr 24 2013, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well yesterday I was glad that Sakura showed up and about her concern for Naruto but today I'm pessimistic because even thou we see some potential intervention from her part it will be shadowed by the Kages and Taka arrival.

The only way I see things going now is that Naruto used everything he had to shield the alliance during that shock wave and now he is incapacitated. Now I'm not sure if the alliance will retreat or try to attack the Juubi again but probably Sakura will go and try to heal him. And when that happens the Kages show up. And we are going to have the same things over and over again. She is useless she is bla bla bla bla bla.


Thing people expect is that Sakura actually commits to the action they expect her to fight in some major role, they always say she does not contribute save the Sasori and white zetsu incidents. This is why haters say she is useless, they think every person in this manga has to take some active role and in essence why they just stick to others. Thing is they are missing a few things:

1. There is a difference between physically and mentally developed heroes/heroines. Sakura is if anything a mentally developed heroine, just cause she is a mentally developed one first and a physical one second, this does not degrade her overall development, she has to approach problems with a limited skillset but with more knowledge and outlooks. Others like Naruto and Sasuke, they just get more power simply for facing stronger battles. Many people tend to treat this manga as well, it should be treated like One Piece or Fairy Tail, that is just it though, Naruto is Naruto, it is not one piece or fairy tail. Oda does a good job giving the straw hat crew all their own development, role, and identities but this makes the series go so long. Mashiro does a great job with Natsu and Lucy. Kishi could have done more with Sakura but still for her mental development, her main area of it, she is fine. Sakura could have been given more physical oriented roles at times and there were many opportunites kishi could have done such as fights with Kabuto in the Sasuke and Sai arc, let her and Sai assist shikamaru against Hidan, and even more recently let her have taken a larger role in fights like against the 7 swordsmen (she could have faced Haku or another one of the 7), or a real missed opportunity could have been her facing a reanimated chiyo, gaara could have even had a role to both return the effort to chiyo for reviving him and fighting alongside Sakura as both the a counter to when he nearly killed her and proof to chiyo that ninja like them fighting together and the alliance was proof that her sacrifice did not go unmerited.

Mentally developed characters are in no means bad, I mean in one piece Nami was like this a majority of the time and had limited fighting abilties. Only Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji were highly capable of handling themselves but then the time skip gave them all skill. People act like Sakura is the worst, well she is still the best developed female in the Naruto series. People think Sakura is bad? They should look at Rukia or Orihime, Rukia only had one major fight against that number 9 arracnar and killed a bunch of henchmen. Orihime has been a damsel in distress for a majority of the manga. Sakura may have been in this role at least 2 times but they didn't last that long now did they?

2. Medic ninja have their rules to follow like all ninja- Sakura actually has a purpose in her role, primarily as a medic ninja she has to stay alive and treat others and avoid fighting as much as she can. Sakura is a special case though because of her CES she can fight but only does with its either in personal defense (like the zetsu event), everyone is fine, or when it is absolutely necessary (such as sasori, between her and chiyo, only Sakura had the power to break his armor). This is not to say all shinobi have rules to follow like the 3 vices (1. Money 2. Drinking 3. Men/Women depending on the ninja's gender). There are rules all other shinobi have to follow such as the ANBU, training students, even kages. Sakura is just doing her duty and what she was taught as her primary role. I mean Pain was able to use his "medic" to fight but still limited it and kept it back now didn't he? As a precaution to bring back any killed bodies. If Sakura is worthless then doctors are worthless, not to mention Tsunade who actually got a lot of action still ended up healing more than she fought now didn't she?

Sakura is basically operating under like if anyone here played any RPG like Final fantasy or WoW. You have a healer in the group so what do you do? Send them in to fight? No you try to keep them alive and avoiding danger. People in WoW who spec into healing stuff, they are always at the back and healing and enhancing their friends but always avoiding trouble. They only assist in combat when it is absolutely needed or in an event where a boss was stunned for example then they contribute. Now I'm not saying Sakura acts like this but in a major situation like the invasion of pain and now the ten tails fight, she was healing others to keep their numbers up, every person remaining alive was another part in increasing their chances of winning. Dead ninja are not good now are they.

3. Anything that degrades Sakura's character in total makes other females look worse. I mean Sakura has the most development of any female character, Tsunade is second. Ino may be third due to the hidan and kakuzu arc giving team 10 some time. Anyways yeah kishi had a lot of opportunities to give Sakura more space for her own battles but anything else to other female characters save Tsunade and Kushina, if it makes Sakura look bad, it just brings the others down. Tsunade is exempt because she has her duties and own resolution and moved forward with the same ideal, she always had a good outlook. Remember, kishi said he had a hard time with heroines, if its hard for Sakura its not going to look good for the other females. Those with power in the series aside from Tsunade (Anko, Konan, Mei, Yugito, Temari) they are limited and not seen all that much. Sakura may have mot taken a larger role in as much action but its better than Hinata being steamrolled twice and her action costing the life of an actually good character. If Sakura is worthless than Hinata is an occupational hazard, seriously they should just put Hinata close to Madara or the ten tails, it may somehow implode its own power due to her being disaster prone.

4. Sakura is normal. This is a world where basically genetics give you an advantage I mean look at the Uchiha and Senju, they are the strongest clans cause of genetics. The Uzumaki are high but only have extra stamina. Sakura and her parents are normal, Sakura is the average type of person with a normal background. But its in this universe that this normality that makes her a better character. Sakura is Sakura, she has no born powers but she earns them. I like Sakura in part because of this background, in a universe where genetics and bloodlines give you an advantage, Sakura stands above most in her group. Being normal is not a bad thing either, remember Minato has a normal background as well, there is no Haruno or Namazkie clan. Minato is basically the only "normal" hokage. He had his parents and a goal and confidence, and he became one of the strongest ninja ever. Jiriaya had no clan either and he was a sannin and sage. Where Sakura is normal but manages to fit herself, Minato and Jiriaya represent that an ordinary person in this universe can become strong. Naruto and Sasuke had latent powers but Sakura did not, this is why her normal element to the series is something good. If Sakura actually did come from a clan with super healing powers, that would remove this normality and likeability. Where others have suffered tragic pasts and she did not, she learns how to cope and understand and support her friends to try and make things better, basically you can't change the past but you can support them and help them for a better future.

5. There is a difference between not doing anything and participating in the fight. Basically there are major and minor roles in fights. Most of Sakuras roles in fights have been minor. In a sitution like Sasori, yeah that was major. Same with fighting Ino, that was one of her fights. Minor though would include others like Pain and the seven swordsmen, I'll explain the fights she was in, present and if it was major, minor, or simply there:

Part 1:
both Vs. Haku and Zabuza, she did nothing, this was the only fight she truly did nothing. She had no powers but kakashi was able to handle Zabuza and Naruto and Sasuke faced Haku. This one, she was simply there.

vs. Orochimaru in the forest of death- This was Naruto and Sasuke, she could not do anything though and so this began her determination to get better. This one she was simply there

vs. the 3 sound ninja- She fought at first holding them off, then lee came in, then team 10 an, then Sasuke awoke with the curse seal, then team guy came in. Sakura had a minor role overall but this fight shifted from her, to lee, to team 10, to Sasuke waking up.

vs. Ino- this was her own fight, her rival, this was simple Naruto only played a minor role for voicing her to wake up. She had a major role in this fight cause it was towards her character and her determination and will. This fight she had a major role.

vs. Gaara- this composed of Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke. It was Sasuke first and he struggled against Gaara, Sakura went to defend Sasuke on the count she was determined to protect her teammates after the FOD incident, yeah she was protecting Sasuke again, but this time he was in trouble and Sakura did not want to run away from a fight and leave it to her teammates. She got caught and was threatened. This capture made it so Naruto would have a resolve to save her. Sakura played a minor role in this fight but was this action and capture by gaara that gave Naruto more strength to overcome him. This was a minor role.

Special mention- Naruto and Sasuke's inital hospital fight- it was short but she tried to stop it and saw Sasuke's power demand come up and him being tempeted by power as orochimaru said, this would be minor.

This was all in part 1.

Part 2:

vs. Kakashi- She and Naruto displayed their powers and ablilites to get the bells, this was a training exercise but still a battle. This can be debated as a battle or not but it was a major role for her and Naruto.

vs. Sasori- Obviously this was her biggest battle, with Chiyo she faced Sasori. This fight also forwarded the story. This was a major fight for her.

vs. Orochimaru/4 tails naruto? okay this is a hard one to determine but it was the 4 tails event she tried to get naruto to snap out of it and she did heal him afterwards. Minor if anything, don't know if it should be counted as a battle.

Vs. Obito-when he was messing with them- This was a minor fight for all those involved including team 8. Sakura's role though came out to figuring out Obito's temporal powers and how they worked. Minor for all, her role found out the first way the kamui technique Obito used worked, the rest of the kamui mechanics would come later.

vs. pain- well pain can apply to a lot of people because he faced a lot Naruto was obviously the major role, kakashi had a minor role as did hinata too. Sakura did not face pain directly but her role was simple, she bashed a centipede and stuck to healing others. Healing as many people as she can was her role, she saved a lot of lives and took leadership. This was a minor role in the overall fight against pain, but though she did not fight that much, healing those in the fight is still technically participating. This was minor.

vs. Sasuke- if it we are looking at an actual fight, the major role in this one goes to kakashi. Sakura and Naruto are minor in this case. Sakura's minor role was to try and kill Sasuke and free Naruto at the risk of him hating her. Her role was minor but ended in her having faith in a resolution Naruto could bring.

vs. the seven swordsmen and haku- Sakura again went to healing like in pain, this was a minor role. The mist was up and blocked vision, if all the shinobi in their group were killed, it would be bad, basically she was able to heal those in need to allow others to get up and fight again like any medic would. This was minor. Again this was a short fight but she still participated.

vs. The ten tails- everyone in the series is basically involved here. We have not seen her fight yet though, but we know she is partipating. She can still get a role, as of right now though her role is minor, we know she was healing and helping others like kakashi and dauri, hell without kakashi obito would still be trolling them. Sakura did heal kakashi and he is a critical person in this fight. Its minor for now.

So yeah there is a lot to Sakura, she is technically participating within fights as long as she commits action. Keep in mind this is my opinion and technicalities can change everything.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 02:35 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Apr 24 2013, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes and to make your point even more clear Obito specifically ask him why he is trying so hard to protect his friends.

Men I cannot believe that my disappointment with the way Kishimoto downplayed Sakura importance in this chapter blinded me from seeing so many good points.

It's ok, don't worry! happy.gif
Remember, when it comes to Sakura, Kishi does things very subtle. It seems like she does nothing, yet, her importance is so big! But it's only a normal reaction. I've been there myself too.
Happily, now, I was overjoyed with Sakura's reappearance and I though about every single point of her come-back in the manga and connected them to the previous events. And that's why I am not even the slightest bit of worried. Think about it. Hinata's speech in 615, though it seems so big and stuff, had absolutely ZERO effects over Naruto. He's still acting the way he does usually. And this is because there's no one there EXCEPT for Kurama, that knows Naruto as best as Sakura does.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:05 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Apr 24 2013, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's ok, don't worry! happy.gif
Remember, when it comes to Sakura, Kishi does things very subtle. It seems like she does nothing, yet, her importance is so big! But it's only a normal reaction. I've been there myself too.
Happily, now, I was overjoyed with Sakura's reappearance and I though about every single point of her come-back in the manga and connected them to the previous events. And that's why I am not even the slightest bit of worried. Think about it. Hinata's speech in 615, though it seems so big and stuff, had absolutely ZERO effects over Naruto. He's still acting the way he does usually. And this is because there's no one there EXCEPT for Kurama, that knows Naruto as best as Sakura does.

Wow yep i didnt noticed that, Sakura also was the only one who got the message of Naruto was hurting himself whem he was trying so hard ot protect his friends i think he didnt get the true meaning of Itachi's words and Hinata's speech maybe it could foreshadow for her to do something like that and rely more on his friends and at least save the previous volume motto and Naruto's development on this arc.
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:41 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 23 2013, 11:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think Sawyer ever called her a b*tch. He might be somewhat bias but he's definitely not a hater. He's overall a cool guy, but if I disagree with something he says I won't hold my tongue about it.

Starts a video to discuss how silly pairing debates are for both NaruHina and NaruSaku....

...Ends video by ranting about how stupid NaruSaku fans are. a_thumbs.gif

Also:
...Is sarcastic as hell throughout the entire thing, especially at the end when he talks about our intelligence. a_thumbs.gif
...Suggests we've got no lives beyond pairings. a_thumbs.gif
...Makes the video title, "NaruSaku = Much Luv???" a_thumbs.gif
...Makes his thumbnail Hinata saying, "STFU Please!", in response. a_thumbs.gif

Yeah, he's a hater. happy.gif

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:43 PM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Apr 24 2013, 11:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Starts a video to discuss how silly pairing debates are for both NaruHina and NaruSaku....

...Ends video by ranting about how stupid NaruSaku fans are. a_thumbs.gif

Also:
...Is sarcastic as hell throughout the entire thing, especially at the end when he talks about our intelligence. a_thumbs.gif
...Suggests we've got no lives beyond pairings. a_thumbs.gif
...Makes the video title, "NaruSaku = Much Luv???" a_thumbs.gif
...Makes his thumbnail Hinata saying, "STFU Please!", in response. a_thumbs.gif

Yeah, he's a hater. happy.gif

Yeah, that confirms everything, doesn't it? happy.gif

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:44 PM

So what you guys are saying is that Sakura could potentially tell Naruto to stop overly worrying so much as to what will happen to everyone else and focus on what he can do against the enemy while believing that the alliance will be capable of handling the situation without Naruto having to check up on them every second.

That does make sense actually. Naruto already accepts that despite anyone else dying that he'll keep on going no matter what, but he still wants to protect everyone the best he can. He still worries about people dying despite already having the resolution to go on if it happens.

That could actually go along with Sakura's worries during the confession. She insisted that since he's a jinchuriki that he should try worrying more about himself. And it could go along with her lines in 573 about how Naruto always bears heavy burdens but that she'll be together with him in order to help him carry them along with the rest.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:51 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 24 2013, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So what you guys are saying is that Sakura could potentially tell Naruto to stop overly worrying so much as to what will happen to everyone else and focus on what he can do against the enemy while believing that the alliance will be capable of handling the situation without Naruto having to check up on them every second.

That does make sense actually. Naruto already accepts that despite anyone else dying that he'll keep on going no matter what, but he still wants to protect everyone the best he can. He still worries about people dying despite already having the resolution to go on if it happens.

That could actually go along with Sakura's worries during the confession. She insisted that since he's a jinchuriki that he should try worrying more about himself. And it could go along with her lines in 573 about how Naruto always bears heavy burdens but that she'll be together with him in order to help him carry them along with the rest.

Wow like husband and wife, share problem.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:52 PM

Now that I re-read the chapter on MangaStream I don't know what to think anymore? smile.gif
Thank to Slextrem I was able to notice that it wasn't Sakura who shattered does stones it was Naruto protecting her instead, now I don't know what will be her role concerning Naruto using his Kyuubi's power the right way since I cannot picture a way how Sakura will do that, but I can clearly see Itachi's speech linking to Sakura role in the future chapters not to mention that Yamato's speech might soon be addressed by her ass well.

If Kishimoto allows Naruto to completely exhausted himself saving the alliance of this attack without the the reinforcement interfering in his moment of glory
then NS might solidify itself in a great way giving a rest to all the talks claiming that NS has not gotten any focus since Sakura confession.


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Since 540 I learn that there are haters and many fans bashing NS on their reviews, so since then I don't bother watching them anymore.
Sawyer once insulted the NS fandom as a whole but later try to give a us cheap apology with some sarcasm added on it.

Edited by Don-kun, 24 April 2013 - 04:05 PM.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 04:00 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Apr 24 2013, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now that I re-read the chapter on MangaStream I don't know what to think anymore? smile.gif
Thank to Slextrem I was able to notice that it wasn't Sakura who shattered does stones it was Naruto protecting her instead, now I don't know what will be her role concerning Naruto using her Kyuubi's power the right way since I cannot picture a way how Sakura will do that, but I can clearly see Itachi's speech linking to Sakura role in the future chapters not to mention that Yamato's speech might soon be addressed by her ass well.

If Kishimoto allows Naruto to completely exhausted himself saving the alliance of this attack without the the reinforcement interfering in his moment of glory
then NS might solidify itself in a great way giving a rest to all the talks claiming that NS has not gotten any focus since Sakura confession.

This chapter equivalent with pain shinra tensei but ten time stronger than it.
And naruto do the role of tsunade protect villager with katsuyu and her jutsu.
I just hope naruto don't end up as an old man.

#439 Chatte

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 04:08 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 24 2013, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So what you guys are saying is that Sakura could potentially tell Naruto to stop overly worrying so much as to what will happen to everyone else and focus on what he can do against the enemy while believing that the alliance will be capable of handling the situation without Naruto having to check up on them every second.

That does make sense actually. Naruto already accepts that despite anyone else dying that he'll keep on going no matter what, but he still wants to protect everyone the best he can. He still worries about people dying despite already having the resolution to go on if it happens.

That could actually go along with Sakura's worries during the confession. She insisted that since he's a jinchuriki that he should try worrying more about himself. And it could go along with her lines in 573 about how Naruto always bears heavy burdens but that she'll be together with him in order to help him carry them along with the rest.

Pretty much this. biggrin.gif
That's why I was saying, if Sakura reappeared and already started having doubts, there's definitely something wrong. And then, after I re-read the hapter, I noticed how Naruto still acts the way he always does. and imagine since Kakashi said to him that he'll leave him in charge now, Naruto will probably feel even more and more responsible and will want people to not die as long as they are under his command. Something like what happened to Shikamaru in Sasuke retrieval arc, only that now, the one to learn his lesson will be Naruto and the one teaching this lesson to him will be Sakura, just like Temari told Shikamaru that he has to grow-up, this is the ninja life they're leading and such events will always happen. Change Temari and Shikamaru and Sakura and voila!
In a way, I have to admit, I am glad Naruto is still the same and that Hinata's words had gone through him because now people will see who is the one that truly understands Naruto. Not to be mean towards Hinata, she was a great support, however, she doesn't get to Naruto the same way Sakura does, though NH fans try to say she does. Nope, sorry to call it. This is where Hinata's understanding over Naruto ends.
Also, the fact that she doesn't get also something about him, in comparison with Sakura. SHe was all like, continue fighting and protect your friends because you don't give up, that's our ninja way, yadda yadda, but not saying anything about 'let your friends help you'. Because, once again, as in Pein Arc, she doesn't get Naruto, she doesn't get to that part of his where Sakura does. Hinata pushed him forward because that's their ninja way without thinking at the consequences her encouragement might have.
Whereas, in comparison, Sakura already sees those consequences and immediately starts thinking about them and about how 'his ninja way' is potentially harming him.
And also, a nice thing. When Hinata was giving Naruto the speech, Kurama was like, why are you a little woos and whine around? Stand-up on your two feet. The same way Sakura would do. Totally different to the way Hinata approached Naruto, whereas when Sakura appears, her and Kurama are thinking exactly the same. Kishi is definitely telling us something, subtly.
Another thing about Hinata's speech. She said how "Naruto's words to protect his friends are not a lie". True. However, she said that the words and feelings are connected, or something along the line and to stand-up together. But the most important thing that she forgot to mention was how his friends are there to support him too! She was all like "Let's stand up together" [as in her and Naruto]. While Naruto was still thinking at his friends and how he wasn't able to protect them. Hinata was all about her and Naruto, while, Kurama entered and said that he needs to remind that he is there too. Kurama was the one who reminded Naruto that there are a lot of friends who protected him, that he has his friends that will support him, no matter what.
Hinata's speech was all about how she, solely, is going to raise together with him, not taking into consideration his worries, because, well, she doesn't know them, it was a centric speech connected with her speech in 573, contrary to Kurama's one who reminded him about his friends and others that will be there for him or were, that, funny or not coincides with Sakura's speech in 573 that says how she together with the rest will be there to support him.
Once again, a big difference between the two of them and the subtle differences in importance Kishi makes between Sakura and Hinata.

Edited by Chatte, 24 April 2013 - 04:12 PM.

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#440 TouKen4Life3g

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 04:10 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Apr 24 2013, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now that I re-read the chapter on MangaStream I don't know what to think anymore? smile.gif
Thank to Slextrem I was able to notice that it wasn't Sakura who shattered does stones it was Naruto protecting her instead, now I don't know what will be her role concerning Naruto using his Kyuubi's power the right way since I cannot picture a way how Sakura will do that, but I can clearly see Itachi's speech linking to Sakura role in the future chapters not to mention that Yamato's speech might soon be addressed by her ass well.

If Kishimoto allows Naruto to completely exhausted himself saving the alliance of this attack without the the reinforcement interfering in his moment of glory
then NS might solidify itself in a great way giving a rest to all the talks claiming that NS has not gotten any focus since Sakura confession.

I thought you knew that Naruto helped Sakura from getting hit. It's the reason why Sakura comment it yet very worried that this is going to harm him in the long run. If it was like anyone else, they'll be like "Phew, that was close." That's why it felt in character for Sakura to say this, not anyone else. That is not to say no one cares for Naruto, it's just that Sakura knows him the most in that battlefield. Now that Kakashi is gone, it's like she is the only one to watch him. I get the feeling there will be 3 battles. It's a speculation of course, but it could be Sasuke for Madara, Naruto/Sakura for Juubi, and Kakashi for Obito. Again, speculation because who knows what's next. Time will tell and another break is good for us to relax. At least this time, it's on a good note. happy.gif




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