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[六道仙人]

btw the one who is faking his intentions here isn't neither Sasuke nor Karin but Orochimaru.

Before
I don't have any interest in this war, a war that is started from someone else.

Now is like
Yeaah! Party! Let's join with Sasuke to the war!!

:/

[Phantom_999]

The only bashing thats been going on this thread is Kishi-bashing

Justified as it is That is still bashing.

[tricksie]

I can't seem to comprehend why such a great number of you NS fans are suddenly abandoning your beloved pairing because of an unrelated chapter such as this. Sakura regressing back into her fangirl state and going over to Sasuke? What happened to all your confidence that Sakura was starting to develop away from Sasuke? She and Karin are two distinct characters with different sets of personalities and development. Karin still fawning over Sasuke (as most expected) does not in any way correlate with Sakura not eventually getting over her idealistic love for him.

I expected more from this fanbase, and frankly this is simply pathetic.

If you feel this way, then please don't waste any more of our time here. You're an NH fan. You are treated fairly here. But if you think for one minute that it is acceptable to return our friendliness and hospitality with this crap, then you can show yourself out.

I don't care how many people agree with you. Bashing of fandoms is not allowed.

And for the record, there are plenty of people here who aren't threatened by this chapter at all.

[六道仙人]

let's see the reason from nicolas cage about Sasuke turning good:



LOL this gif never dies

Edited by 六道仙人, 11 April 2013 - 12:21 AM.

[Derock]

Actually, I would've been fine if Sasuke, with the asspulls of moves, beat the 4 Kages and start causing havoc in Konoha because it will make not only the series engaging once again, and make Sasuke an interesting villain but also gives Naruto an actual purpose to fight and redeem Sasuke from the darkness and connect the dots from the stuff way back in Part 1.

But ever since the chapter when Sasuke reunited with Itachi, it just bring to my conclusion that Sasuke is a "wishy-washy" character. The boy has enough material and development as it is and yet Kishimoto just keep shoving it along with more Uchiha stuff down our throats when he should had focused on others (one is his main star, the other is you-know-who who is fair and says "Shannaro!"). And why did I consider Sasuke wishy-washy? Someone said he flips back and forth in terms of actions and personality. This, I don't like because it will confuse people who follow consistency. You focus on a goal but then all of the sudden changes your mind? What the f-ing hell do you want to do?!

And this chapter just trumps it all. Once again, Kishimoto just made Sasuke looking like a good guy once more and cool again... it basically ruins the potential final battle for him and Naruto. And now what does this mean for Naruto himself? All of that work went for nothing again?! So what on earth they gonna fight for now? It better not be the Hokage position because that will be so stupid.

Another peeve for this chapter: Orochimaru... Kishimoto, how could you? We're now giving Orochimaru, your best villain of the series, sympathy as well?! He wants redemption too?! I know if he want Madara as the final villain but still... it doesn't make any sense.

And I don't care for Sasukarin. Already had a feeling that Karin was coming back to the team. Should've been better if she slaps/punch/kick Sasuke first then proclaim to tag along and then have Sasuke apologize to make it better.

I really don't have nothing else for this chapter because I already dislike Sasuke as it is. It has further more dislike towards the character.

[TouKen4Life3g]

This.
I believe many here were expecting instead of speculating, we are not Kishimoto no on knows what this man is thinking.
Anyway I kind of agree with some of the users who believes there is something odd with Sasuke and Orochimaru's behavior and like someone else pointed out, If Sasuke decision was to destroy Konoha and then he somehow proceeds to beat the 4 Kages I would of being Royally piss off. And I'm pretty sure 99% of the forum might be angry.

What leads to this question, if Sasuke refuse and somehow manage to beat the Kages the site will be mad, if Sasuke choose to become good since he only had two choices the site will still gets mad, so what do we really want?

I must admit, I didn't think about the possibility if he go against him. I always thought there will be a sneak attack, but now I think about it, there's no choice but to accept it. Not that Sasuke thought that way, but that's more like how Kishi wrote it. Why bother flashback with the answer that's back to square 1. I think due to being vague, people are wondering if he's good and that's all there to it. To me, I don't think so. Right now, the priority is take down Madara, which I called it as Madara vs. Sasuke (maybe with special guest) will happen since it's been building up since the first mention of Madara.

[CynMichi]

Ok .... So .... I think everyone is having the same concerns I'm having. If Kishi can suddenly make Sasuke (who has time and again vowed hatred and vengeance against Konoha) decide to Protect said village without even blinking he is probably going to tie up all other loose ends just as sporadically. I mean Sasukes his favorite and we get no inkling of a thought process behind this epiphany. I think all other NaruSaku fans would agree, we refer to our fan base as logical based on the long term progression and subtle hinting of the paired characters.

However if Kishi sets a precedent of
a) Karin's forgiveness and continued worship (he may not have hit Sakura b/c of Naruto, but he STABBED YOU!) I mean Really!?!?
b) quite sudden transformation of Sasuke's feelings and goals (with just one brief chat from the 1st Hokage)
c) Orochi's heart grew 3 sizes the day he virally infiltrated Kabuto? he's just been jealous this whole time his teacher chose Minato instead of him....I guess that's we he experimented on other human beings in multiple labs hidden across the ninja world...it makes sense now! <----no no it doesn't this is total bs

What else is he capable of asspulling ? I'm a very positive person regarding pairing but hell, if this ends up being legit...I can totally see him slapping NaruHina and SasuSaku together...yeh I said it.....because ill be damned if either of those pairings is logical in my mind so WHY NOT!

I hold out hope that this is some kind of Jutsu everyone is trapped in and Kishi is about to pull an "Inception" on us. This all feels way too rushed !
Regarding the Naruto VS Sasuke fight I really am sensing a valley of the end scenario where Naruto tries to keep Sasuke in the village again. We get our epic fight but with no killer intent ...and Sasuke becomes a wanderer with his team. I honestly wouldn't mind it but again all this build up with careful years of fleshing out characters for absolutely nothing? I sincerely hope this is has some purpose aside from driving us crazy.

Edited by CynMichi, 11 April 2013 - 12:35 AM.

[rikakim94]

If you feel this way, then please don't waste any more of our time here. You're an NH fan. You are treated fairly here. But if you think for one minute that it is acceptable to return our friendliness and hospitality with this crap, then you can show yourself out.

I don't care how many people agree with you. Bashing of fandoms is not allowed.

And for the record, there are plenty of people here who aren't threatened by this chapter at all.

tricksie I was started to get annoyed by his comments to. its been going on for days

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

let's see the reason from nicolas cage about Sasuke turning good:



LOL this gif never dies

I've been thinking Sasuke goes to the battlefield and help the alliance then the lover nin thing becames invalid then?
Just became a chapter that says she still loves Sasuke with no other meaning?

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 April 2013 - 12:49 AM.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

btw the one who is faking his intentions here isn't neither Sasuke nor Karin but Orochimaru.

Before
I don't have any interest in this war, a war that is started from someone else.

Now is like
Yeaah! Party! Let's join with Sasuke to the war!!

:/

It's not really "Let's join with Sasuke to win the war,"

It's more, "Well, Kabuto kittened up, and he was following my plan. Let's see how Sasuke-kun's schizophrenic/bipoloar zig-zagging path works! Might as well get some lulz from this after dying so many damn times."

Okay, the 'lulz' part may be partly serious, partly joking, but that's essentially Orochimaru's view in this war.

[narusakuluv]

And this chapter just trumps it all. Once again, Kishimoto just made Sasuke looking like a good guy once more and cool again... it basically ruins the potential final battle for him and Naruto. And now what does this mean for Naruto himself? All of that work went for nothing again?! So what on earth they gonna fight for now? It better not be the Hokage position because that will be so stupid.

It only ruins it if Sasuke is completely good now, has no intentions of destroying or harming Konoha and wants to skip off into the sunset with Team 7. Sasuke could still be an enemy of Konoha. Also, who's to say he's going to come back to Konoha now? There is still room for plenty of conflict, angsty feelings and epicness. Personally I don't think he's done with his vendetta against Konoha yet.

I say it is way too early for anyone to be freaking out. Doesn't this always happen? We get a chapter that makes it look like Kishimoto's jumped the shark and then later it turns out to be not as bad as we thought, or even not bad at all. And then everyone feels pretty dumb for jumping to conclusions.

Like 615. The hand-holding moment had NH fans shouting "Canon" and NS fans threatening to jump ship left and right. Then the next chapter everyone felt stupid because it turned out there was a practical purpose.

Seriously, everyone needs to Calm. Down. The reason everything felt like it happened to quickly was because it did happen to quickly. It took 3 pages. 3 pages for the largest character arc in the manga to come to a close? I don't think so. Plus, Sasuke didn't show a whole lot of emotion other than looking sort of angry. Additionally, if you look closely at the pictures of Itachi behind him, most of them are with Itachi bleeding, or being violent. Hardly any with a serene, dedicated Itachi who was determined to protect Konoha. It feels like if this were about Sasuke purely protecting Itachi's legacy, there would be more positive images.

[swagosaurus]

I have a strong, slightly weary feeling that this is all going to blow up. As in, we may think Sasuke, Orochimaru and co. are being all good right now...but really? Two of Part Two's biggest villains are now on the magical-sunshine-rainbow bus to save the world and Konoha?

It doesn't sit right with me. Kishi's done some pretty questionable things in the past, but I doubt 600+ chapters of villainy development for Sasuke is going to just be thrown in the water instantly.

Otherwise I fear NS may follow the same route as that. As in, all of their development and their relationship will just be shoved under the rug.

[Shadow1275]

It only ruins it if Sasuke is completely good now, has no intentions of destroying or harming Konoha and wants to skip off into the sunset with Team 7. Sasuke could still be an enemy of Konoha. Also, who's to say he's going to come back to Konoha now? There is still room for plenty of conflict, angsty feelings and epicness. Personally I don't think he's done with his vendetta against Konoha yet.

I say it is way too early for anyone to be freaking out. Doesn't this always happen? We get a chapter that makes it look like Kishimoto's jumped the shark and then later it turns out to be not as bad as we thought, or even not bad at all. And then everyone feels pretty dumb for jumping to conclusions.

Like 615. The hand-holding moment had NH fans shouting "Canon" and NS fans threatening to jump ship left and right. Then the next chapter everyone felt stupid because it turned out there was a practical purpose.

Seriously, everyone needs to Calm. Down. The reason everything felt like it happened to quickly was because it did happen to quickly. It took 3 pages. 3 pages for the largest character arc in the manga to come to a close? I don't think so. Plus, Sasuke didn't show a whole lot of emotion other than looking sort of angry. Additionally, if you look closely at the pictures of Itachi behind him, most of them are with Itachi bleeding, or being violent. Hardly any with a serene, dedicated Itachi who was determined to protect Konoha. It feels like if this were about Sasuke purely protecting Itachi's legacy, there would be more positive images.

Agreed except that if Itachi's legacy is Konoha's safety and peace, why would Sasuke attack that? As for NS nothing has changed. It is still the most likely pairing.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I have a strong, slightly weary feeling that this is all going to blow up. As in, we may think Sasuke, Orochimaru and co. are being all good right now...but really? Two of Part Two's biggest villains are now on the magical-sunshine-rainbow bus to save the world and Konoha?

It doesn't sit right with me. Kishi's done some pretty questionable things in the past, but I doubt 600+ chapters of villainy development for Sasuke is going to just be thrown in the water instantly.

Otherwise I fear NS may follow the same route as that. As in, all of their development and their relationship will just be shoved under the rug.

Yeah, also the great guy thing made us believe she started thinking about her feelings deeply, but since Sauske is going to join the battle, Sasuke will also be a great guy so the possible development from that chapter will be wasted and it will become just a chapter that states she still loves Sasuke despite having no reasons to do so, about SS there's no development for it, but since the things are going OOC + asspulls, i'm worried more abou the plot in general, Sakura as much as i wanted her to have her shining moment feels like she will have it after Sasuke's appearance, i cant see her having a major development after all that, and that scroll why kishimot draw a scroll were Sasuke is evil and only Naruto and Sakura is supposedly fighting against him, doesnt make sense to me, despicted him as a villain so many times thoughtout the story give him development to do so, unless if he gets corrupted by the amount of power from the juubi and the possibilities imagine a jutsu were he could revive his brother and his clan i'm sure he would be tempted or Not.

*Obito has all the DNA of the uchiha clan.
*There also has Hashirama cells on his lab were Sasuke could implant into himself.
*Rinnegan.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 April 2013 - 01:07 AM.

[Shadow1275]

Yeah, also the great guy thing made us believe she started thinking about her feelings deeply, but since Sauske is going to join the battle, Sasuke will also be a great guy so the possible development from that chapter will be wasted and it will become just a chapter that states she still loves Sasuke despite having no reasons to do so, about SS there's no development for it, but since the things are going OOC + asspulls, i'm worried more abou the plot in general, Sakura as much as i wanted her to have her shining moment feels like she will have it after Sasuke's appearance, i cant see her having a major development after all that, and that scroll why kishimot draw a scroll were Sasuke is evil and only Naruto and Sakura is supposedly fighting against him, doesnt make sense to me, despicted him as a villain so many times thoughtout the story give him development to do so, unless if he gets corrupted by the amount of power from the juubi and the possibilities imagine a jutsu were he could revive his brother and his clan i'm sure he would be tempted.

Next up we have a new volume and a double feature. Here is what I think: Because of that scroll, Sakura is going to get the Yin seal from Tsunade because it does not seem like Tsunade is going to survive. Then Sasuke is going to either betray the Kages after they leave for the battlefield or Orochimaru will take over his body and that is when Naruto and Sakura will eventually have to fight Sasuke. There were just too many things wrong with that chapter for it to just end with a Taka/Kage/Orochimaru love fest. If it does, then Kishi will be in the running against himself for the troll of the year award.

[fireandice]

OK I know our opinions are all subjective... but for me personally, I strongly, strongly disagree that Sasuke's redemption was an asspull in any way. If anyone's was a bit weird, it's Oro's. But not Sasuke. Kishi HAS been building this up...so I doubt asspulls in the pairings department will follow.

Guys I mean from 50+ chapters ago, it was pretty obvious that seeing his brother again had changed Sasuke in some way. He no longer seemed as crazy as when he attacked the summit- at that point, if right after that, what happened in 627 happened, then YES, I would be like "WHAT?!!!"

BUT it didn't. We saw Sasuke seeming to regain some sort of clarity during the fight with Kabuto. He stopped randomly lashing out. That's where it all clearly began! So I honestly feel it's unfair to say Sasuke changed his mind over two panels or just because of the flashback.

And in the first place, it's not like Sasuke's all "OMG I LOVE KONOHA NOWWWWW". I doubt it's that simple. I'm sure a part of him still feels very poisoned and made use of by the Konoha leadership. BUT, the fact that the situation is coming down to helping Madara destroy the entire world, or helping to save this very world his brother fought to protect. And, in the end, Sasuke still felt that little bit of attachment to Konoha, and because Hashirama's words made him realise better exactly what Itachi fought to protect. It doesn't mean he'll come back to Konoha and like SasuSaku would happen and everything will be PERFECTTTT. He just isn't so far gone to be willing to allow Madara to destroy everything.

I mean while I know it seemed like it should be/was built up that Naruto would be the one to change Sasuke...in many ways I feel this is more meaningful. Itachi was telling Naruto that he shouldn't try to do everything on his own. EXACTLY. If NOONE else can bring back Sasuke, then there's this further build up of Naruto as some sort of messiah who has to SAVE EVERYONE. And he's alr trying to SAVE THE ENTIRE WORLD FROM MADARA. I really, really like how it didn't need for Sasuke to be redeemed only after getting his butt kicked by Naruto, that he made this choice on his own. That's growth, people. It showed that Sasuke isn't some static tabula rasa who needs to be written on by Naruto. And it would be so stale and even more boring if Sasuke just went even more crazy when he seemed to show some signs of sanity (As well as making even less sense and his character seemed incapable of growth). It's not that Naruto played no role. I'm sure Sasuke's memories with Team 7 formed that strong attachment that endured even as he descended into darkness and provided the foot in the door for his change of heart.

I mean, Sasuke here is breaking the cycle of the Madara/Hashirama, Obito/Kakashi parallel, not just Naruto himself. I love how it's Sasuke coming to his senses without being forced to. It's symbolic of how the Uchiha clan as a whole isn't beyond redemption, isn't this cursed clan always doomed to insanity when they suffer tragedy.

I think honestly Sasuke appreciated the Hokages' candour- even if Tobirama was pretty harsh. He's been lied to all those years as a child, so I think the Hokages' honesty meant a lot to him. I think the fact that he saw Itachi in Hashirama further helped, and Tobirama's acknowledgement of Kagami and Shisui's loyalty.

so i loved this chapter. just my opinion, of course

Edited by fireandice, 11 April 2013 - 01:16 AM.

[narusakuluv]

Does it bother anyone else that all the Kages just kind of took Sasuke and Orochimaru's word for it? The Third at least should have been more suspicious of Orochimaru. And the Second distrusted most Uchiha.

[James S Cassidy]

I am gonna say again.

Shouldn't it have been Naruto doing this? Changing Sasuke, I mean.

Unless Sasuke is doing a Vegeta and saying "The only person who gets to destroy Konoha is me. It's not that I like you or anything Naruto, I just can't stand people interfering with my work."

Edited by James S Cassidy, 11 April 2013 - 01:14 AM.

[Derock]

It only ruins it if Sasuke is completely good now, has no intentions of destroying or harming Konoha and wants to skip off into the sunset with Team 7. Sasuke could still be an enemy of Konoha. Also, who's to say he's going to come back to Konoha now? There is still room for plenty of conflict, angsty feelings and epicness. Personally I don't think he's done with his vendetta against Konoha yet.

That's still doesn't explain it. This chapter explained Sasuke's chances to turned good increased more than 50% without any input from Naruto. All of this came from a history lesson? Then suddenly decided to protect the village that "ruined" your clan? Hence why I called Sasuke wishy-washy. Because of Kishimoto's silly liking for the "rival" he's been inconsistent with Sasuke's goals. It's going back and forth. And continuing to flip the coin endlessly.

[FoolishYoungling]

That's still doesn't explain it. This chapter explained Sasuke's chances to turned good increased more than 50% without any input from Naruto. All of this came from a history lesson? Then suddenly decided to protect the village that "ruined" your clan? Hence why I called Sasuke wishy-washy. Because of Kishimoto's silly liking for the "rival" he's been inconsistent with Sasuke's goals. It's going back and forth. And continuing to flip the coin endlessly.

I'm scared!