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[HauntedCake]

He didnt provided any evidence, i didnt attacked him i attacked his arguments and he go to another level, if he claimed that Naruto didnt loves Sakura romantically he should had provided the evidence instead of "it's normal emotions fade and other's grow".

On a normal debate no one has to wait for another person to provide proof if he claims something on the same post he has to post why he believes that and the pages of the manga or whatever that support his claim.

The same thing that i did when i said that NaruHina is dead, i told that and showed my claims and manga's proof and he simply ignored and run away from the debate.

I'm not singling you out at all, i'm talking as a whole. We never gave him a chance to have a decent discussion with him because we were all just attacking him. We made this forum really hostile to outside opinions last night.

[rocci]

the nh fan come not in the right time, especially when the forum meltdown. just like the other with intial P.I.N.C who appear when hand holding chapter out.

and if we think that naruto doesn't love sakura anymore than nh is canon right?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I'm not singling you out at all, i'm talking as a whole. We never gave him a chance to have a decent discussion with him because we were all just attacking him. We made this forum really hostile to outside opinions last night.

I dont know where are you going.
He started the debate, made his claims and used words like "emotions fade and other grow" thousand of times to back up his claim that Naruto moved on from Sakura to Hinata.
He had chance to defend his arguments but you cant simply defend your arguments with 0 manga proof, then i said earlier that NH vs NS debates are pointless just because it's about taste, but then he continued and then i wake up on the morning and i read he attacking me saying that "i never experienced love" told me to have sociology classes, said things with double standards and attacked me again on the end of the post saying that i'm in on a loop of insanity, denial and obsession.

This is enough for me to just make a report and i didnt made one and i never will, because i do not take those things as an insult i just feel sorry if a person that runs out of arguments has to rely on fallacies to back up his claim he already went into a huge contradiction saying that Obito didnt moved on from Rin because ther relationship is healthy when NaruSaku is almost a carbon copy of this.
He contradicted himself and lose the debate.

I respected his opinion until he crossed the line and started claiming those things i posted earlier there's a difference, i respect Codus N opinions also everyone here, because they do have reasons to think like this and have a different reason but they dont come here claiming stuff that it's not shown on the manga and insist with it all the time, that why i said it's a matter of taste.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 March 2013 - 11:19 AM.

[HauntedCake]

I dont know where are you going.
He started the debate, made his claims and used words like "emotions fade and other grow" thousand of times to back up his claim that Naruto moved on from Sakura to Hinata.
He had chance to defend his arguments but you cant simply defend your arguments with 0 manga proof, then i said earlier that NH vs NS debates are pointless just because it's about taste, but then he continued and then i wake up on the morning and i read he attacking me saying that "i never experienced love" told me to have sociology classes, said things with double standards and attacked me again on the end of the post saying that i'm in on a loop of insanity, denial and obsession.

This is enough for me to just make a report and i didnt made one and i never will, because i do not take those things as an insult i just feel sorry if a person that runs out of arguments has to rely on fallacies to back up his claim he already went into a huge contradiction saying that Obito didnt moved on from Rin because ther relationship is healthy when NaruSaku is almost a carbon copy of this.
He contradicted himself and lose the debate.

I respected his opinion until he crossed the line and started claiming those things i posted earlier there's a difference, i respect Codus N opinions also everyone here, because they do have reasons to think like this and have a different reason but they dont come here claiming stuff that it's shown on the manga and insist with it all the time, that why i said it's a matter of taste.

I can understand you would be upset if he did attack you personally, but retaliating and adding to the fire never helps. This isn't excusing what he did but we weren't any better then what he/she was.

[PhenixElite]

I don't think it's about moving on from one to another. We aren't talking about freight trains. Naruto and Sakura have a relationship. Naruto and Hinata also have a relationship, and are developed separately. I'm sure he loves Sakura, but I doubt that it's the romantic kind. Maybe there is some, maybe not. But nothing is forever. Like Sakura's love for Sasuke, which is completely unhealthy and she is living in world of lies... ANYWAYS, as Sakura may always have a place in his heart as a childhood sweetheart, I believe that NaruHina is a blooming relationship gathered from loyalty, trust and all the good stuff.

Huh? This post, i highly disagree.
Naruto is shown in many chapters to love Sakura, starting from chapter 3. Wheres naruto shown to have feelings for hinata?
You say feelings arent forever, thats maybe true but the question is if this is what the mangaka wants to show.
Not to forget that this can also be said for hinata. if feelings arent for ever, i think its more likely that the sidecharacter looses his feelings instead of the protoganist dont you think so?
You shouldnt forget that we are supposed to support the main protoganist, but you are supporting the wishes of a side character. Think that way: What do we have from it if naruto gets together with hinata? Hinata was shown in about 10 chapters throughout the manga and had no development till chapter 615. So how does it flow with the stroy?

The main character is shown to love sakura and we should support him there. he went through tons of development with her.
Sakura is also the only one who seems to develope feelings for naruto, Naruto isnt shown to develope feelings for hinata and sasuke isnt shown to develope feelings for sakura. So sakura is the only one shwon to return feelings in a seemingly unrequited love.

Next thing is:
You say NH is a blooming relationship gathered from loyality and trust. How is it possible to say that is they only talked about 6 times un the whole story?

This are only some of the small points why i dont believe in NH beeing the end pairing.

Edited by PhenixElite, 27 March 2013 - 11:16 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I can understand you would be upset if he did attack you personally, but retaliating and adding to the fire never helps. This isn't excusing what he did but we weren't any better then what he/she was.

Show me a post were i attacked him personally, there's none i attacked his arguments when he crossed the line i told him that NH vs NS is just a matter of taste.
He himself destroyed his claims, not me phenixelite, or whatever, it was him who went into a loop of contradictio and instead of saying "sorry guys i was wrong" like i did with JamesScassady, Phenixelite, Halfstarstudios.
This is the classic type of arrogancy.
it's a type of things that running into a debate and no matter if you did or not a contradiction never has to acknowledge it because you simply cant.
Acknowledging that you were wrong is a display of humility, no one has the absolute wisdom, recognize that you were wrong is a part of the life.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 March 2013 - 11:12 AM.

[HauntedCake]

Show me a post were i attacked him personally, there's none i attacked his arguments when he crossed the line i told him that NH vs NS is just a matter of taste.
He himself destroyed his claims, not me phenixelite, or whatever, it was him who went into a loop of contradictio and instead of saying "sorry guys i was wrong" like i did with JamesScassady, Phenixelite, Halfstarstudios.
This is the classic type of arrogancy.
it's a type of things that running into a debate and no matter if you did or not a contradiction never has to acknowledge it because you simply cant.
Acknowledging that you were wrong is a display of humility, no one has the absolute wisdom, recognize that you were wrong is a part of the life.

I can understand you would be upset if he did attack you personally, but retaliating and adding to the fire never helps. This isn't excusing what he did but we weren't any better then what he/she was.

Underlined: this was for you

Bolded: this was meant for everyone, however even if you didn't attack him we as a whole made this forum hostile.

We all need to just turn the other cheek so to speak if someone comes to annoy us. Not let it get out of hand

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Underlined: this was for you

Bolded: this was meant for everyone, however even if you didn't attack him we as a whole made this forum hostile.

We all need to just turn the other cheek so to speak if someone comes to annoy us. Not let it get out of hand

I think we should stop creating threads like this, when something like that happens, take a deep breath and think before posting we were discussing the 64 cover peacefully at the H&E narusaku debate thread without jump to conclusion then this thread got created and we had this kitten.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 March 2013 - 11:52 AM.

[HauntedCake]

I think we should stop creating threads like this, when something like that happens, take a deep breath and think before posting we were discussing the 64 cover peacefully at the H&E narusaku debate thread without jump to conclusion then this thread got created and we had this kitten.

Presicely. Remember we are here because we like NS regardless of whether it becomes canon or not. I'll shed a tear if NS doesn't turn canon but ill still support the pairing through fan created content as well as fanfics.

TBH it's mostly to do with no NS at all for years and it does make people aggitated and easy to provocation.

The manga isn't over yet, who knows? Hinata could be killed off. We are also going to have an inevitable SS moment incoming as well and i hope things don't go overboard again.

I was told those who laugh last laught the hardest. NH has had their moment, Naruto hasn't confessed to Sakura yet so i'm still certain we are going to be overwhelmed by NS moments soon.

Edited by HauntedCake, 27 March 2013 - 12:01 PM.

[Codus N]

Heck yeah! I'm in the same boat. Though I might be more into Bleach at the moment, it's hard to say. Kubo and Hiro are both putting up valiant fights over my apparently valuable attention. Natsu going full force to defend Lucy the same week we learn of the reason behind Ichigo's Hollow Form?

Definitely. I'd still pick FT over Bleach, though. Simply because FT's plot at least doesn't move ass slow like Bleach. Isn't it funny that two of my top mangakas currently are also notoriously known for their trolling??

This comic says it all:



If I had to give these two mangakas titles, I'd give the King of Trolling to Kubo, while Mashima is the Prince.

Also, I think that Mashima has a good understanding of his demographic. If I think about it, wouldn't the pairings be meant to appeal to the females?? there's also plenty of Bishie fanservice too. Not only that, his female characters are just so darn awesome. I even think he created Erza for the female fanbase as well. Taking advantage of Girl Power, if you will. It also helps that he's not in Jump which gives him a more relaxed atmosphere.

I already saw some of it... So this new guy gets attacked because he ships NH... Sometimes, seriously, I honestly can't believe this fandom. I NEVER would of thought it was as crazy as this. I'm not attacking anyone but this is really outrageous to me.

I agree. It's really disheartening to see people treating others so terribly.

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I know I'm late in saying this, but please guys, stop playing the victim. As soon as Moriarty indicated that he is more for NH, a bunch of you pounced on him and started throwing around snarky remarks, as if you have the right to look down on other people. If you don't want to debate with him, don't respond.

I'm probably going to get into big trouble for saying this, but I need to get this off of my chest.

There are a few things that I can't stand about this group. One being how easily offended some of you get when someone else has an opinion that conflicts with your own. Another is the condescending attitude that springs up during debates because of it. You let yourselves get riled up over nothing all of the time and then take your frustrations out on everyone else. It almost feels like all anyone here wants to do is fight, whether it's with NaruHina fans or each other. Why, I'm not so sure. It's no surprise that most of the intellectual fans that have great points to bring to the table don't post here more often. The uninviting attitude is a huge turn off. I'm particularly sick of people acting like their opinion is the only opinion.

Instead of letting every opposing view hurt your feelings, why don't you try being open minded and civil? Stop taking everything personally and, for the love of all that is good, stop acting like all NaruHina and SasuSaku fans are terrible people that deserve to be nailed on the cross. Good grief. Our fandom is hardly full of angels. We act just as badly as their worst do. Case and point, the way you so warmly welcomed Moriarty to Heaven & Earth.

Maybe if you would stop patting each other on the back all of the time for your "words of truth" and start considering other possibilities, you wouldn't feel the need to draw blood every time you encounter someone that has an opposing standpoint. Another case and point is how Moriarty is only now being accepted because he first had to explain that he's not here to convert you or stick the cover in your face.

I really can't take this. I've met a lot of really nice people here, but I don't want to be part of a group that's willing to forget their humanity and attack others for seeing something differently than they do. That's not my style.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say I'm little miss perfect. I make mistakes all of the time and I've most certainly offended people in the past. Criticize me for that all you like in response to this. I just find it really disheartening that I'm see people acting this way more frequently on here each day. It's exhausting.

And please, please, note that I'm generalizing. Of course I'm not talking about everyone.

@Slexstrem:

I agree with you completely. The fandom isn't as bad as it was when 615 was released but it is pretty aggravating right now. From my personal experience in debating with opposing fanbases, if you're that frustrated and angry with their conflicting beliefs then just leave the person be and ignore them. If you're not in a calm state of mind then don't debate. I've come across countless NH/SS fans that I eventually ended my debating with them when some fell back on trolling me and insulting me for not believing in NaruHina. I'm not blaming that particular fanbase and acting like NaruSaku fans are superior then them 'cause we're not. Just if you can't claim your points logically then stay away.

Which brings me to my next point. I feel like many NaruSaku fans generalize the NaruHina fans as being "obnoxious, rude, bashing" while generalizing the NaruSaku fans as "too nice, logical, level-headed." And honestly I don't like that we do this. It displays a subtle sense of arrogance and superiority compared to NH which isn't fair because I've seen many NaruSaku fans bash and troll some NH fans who didn't even do this back. It's true NaruHina fans seem the most loud and passionate but that doesn't mean all of them are rude and unaccepting of NaruSaku fans as a whole. Yes we love NaruSaku. And yes we like socializing and talking with people who think like we do. But this does not mean we are "better" than the NH/SS fandoms combined.

Basically this. In any shipping fandom of any series, we have bad apples and extremists who believe their word is law and don't respect differing opinions of rival ships. It's everywhere and can't be avoided unfortunately. Generalizing the entire shipping fandom as immature and bashing while treating yours as the best and most mature is uncalled for. Sterotyping like that can lead to many misunderstandings and then more animosity. It doesn't help the situation, it makes it worse. It's already pretty clear in how a few NS fans label NaruHina as the childish, disrespectful fandom while a few NH fans retaliate by labeling NaruSaku fans as conceited and stuck-up.

Okay, fandom rant over.

Reading more of these comments have made me very aggravated to be honest. The assumptions are kittening ridiculous. The guy wasn't offensive at all in his damned comments, and then I see a ton of hypocrisy here. If you don't like the NH or want to talk to them. Don't freakin' acknowledge the person and simply ignore them. I'm not gonna point any fingers, but I seriously can't believe I'm apart of this crazy fandom sometimes. Some of you are overly sensitive. Some of you are harsh and aggressive for no reason at all, and uninviting. The site invites everyone so grow the kitten up.

Some of you have truly shown your true colors here, and it's not pretty at all. Someone has a different outlook/opinion than you and some of you pounce, shove your opinions down their throat, and act as though this is some damn popularity contest...

It's actually STILL registering to me how crazy this fandom is.

Anyway Moriarty, I'll gladly have a civil discussion with you. ^^

Well, does that justify your actions? Sounds like that's what you're trying to do here, and I'm not insulting the NS fandom. I'm speaking what I personally feel is the truth. You're basically stooping to the the level of the "loudest fandom" and you attacked a NH fan because they shipped something different than you.

I am calm. Very calm actually, but I'm not gonna hold my tongue on something I feel is ridiculous here when it's been said time and time again that this site invites all. Like I've said before, if you don't want to like the person or whatever, IMO, you should simply ignore the person and talk to someone else. Some of you failed to do that, and some of you pulled out your weapons because you were ready for war for no reason at all. So, while you're telling me to calm down, you need to look at the ones who're actually trying to run new members out...

Both sides are guilty of it.

I remember being attacked by the people in this forum for bringing up a rumor that Kishimoto was planning on killing Sakura during the Summit Arc. I wasn't looking for verification of the rumor nor was I trying to say that it was 100% legit. The reason that I brought it up was to discuss what Kishimoto's intentions for her confession were if he truly was going to kill her off at that point. I even explained that multiple times, but instead of having a civil discussion, numerous people felt the need to tell me how fake the rumor was. Some people treated me like an idiot for making the post to begin with. And when it was finally revealed that the rumor wasn't true, everyone patted each other for a job well done, all the while completely missing the purpose behind my post.

Not exactly one of the brightest moments for this fandom. At least not in my books. That's how some people here treat their fellow NaruSaku fans. I bet for every NaruHina/SasuSaku fan making an ass of themselves tonight, there is a NaruSaku fan doing the exact same thing.

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You completely missed the point Slextrem, Romancegirl, and Strider were trying to make: it's not just NH fans. You can't seriously believe that one side is more pleasant than the other, or that one is more malevolent, can you? Every side has its share of a**holes, and its share of decent people. The point that they're trying to make is that on this site in particular, the overall attitude has become very elitist and uninviting. It's like the majority of members have locked themselves in some "NS is the best and sweetest" world where they refuse to acknowledge outside opinions with sincere open-mindedness. Take tonight for example: one member posted their opinions, and made it fairly clear that they prefer NH but only wanted civil conversation. What did they receive instead? Derision, mockery, and a lack of respect. Their motives were questioned, their opinions were seen as automatically unworthy of note simply because this is a NS-dominant site and they had a lean towards NH.

So in this situation, yes, the blame falls squarely on the side of the NS members of this board. The NH member was not rude, or snide, or here to mock anyone--but that's what they got from this board because of what they ship. Despite whatever experience you or anyone else here may have had with NH fans here or anywhere else, the way Moriarty was treated is inexcusable.

I wish we didn't act so crazily in the first place and need to be told to calm down. This isn't a matter of "encouraging and being positive" or telling people to stand in corners and be quiet--it's a matter of being able to call each other out when we behave poorly. If we can't even do that, then this place has gotten even worse than I thought. You can let frustration out without being rude to others, even those that support the thing that frustrates you.

This is unfortunately true. At this point, I honestly don't even care too much about NS. Not as much as I used to anyway I just want my HEROINE to get a moment, because I'm honestly more of a Sakura fan than a NS fan. I still believe it's gonna happen regardless, but the delivery had better be legit because as you've stated, NS has definitely been lacking. That's the sad truth.

Oh, Part 1...good times. Very good times.
Back then it was more about the and less about the .

This this this this this! Nothing validates the way this individual was treated, and it seems like no matter what, people are still trying to validate it.

@Don, you're definitely trying to validate your actions.

Agree with all of the above. It doesn't help that the ones who are doing all of this embarrassing stuff are all mostly newbies. Hell, I even have a compiled list of the most immature members on this forum. If you think I'm going to publish it, fat chance.

I'll make an example of RomanG. She's 14, and probably one of the youngest on this site and yet, she is by far one of the most mature members I've met on this forum. And it makes me feel proud to have a little sister like that. (Assuming she is 14. ) Now, I ask you this to all members here: will you allow yourselves to look like an ass beside her?? if somebody passed by and said, "your little sister is so nice and mature. Why can't you be more like her??" do you want everybody else on this forum keep repeating those words about RomanG??

HELL NO. AM I RIGHT?? well then, all I have to say is this, as Strider kindly put it: GROW THE kitten UP!!!


The first step to respect is respecting others. If you want that respect from everyone else, then you should do the same.

It doesn't matter if that person has opposing views, what's important is how you respect that person. EVERYONE deserves some form of respect.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Agree with all of the above. It doesn't help that the ones who are doing all of this embarrassing stuff are all mostly newbies. Hell, I even have a compiled list of the most immature members on this forum. If you think I'm going to publish it, fat chance.

I'll make an example of RomanG. She's 14, and probably one of the youngest on this site and yet, she is by far one of the most mature members I've met on this forum. And it makes me feel proud to have a little sister like that. (Assuming she is 14. ) Now, I ask you this to all members here: will you allow yourselves to look like an ass beside her?? if somebody passed by and said, "your little sister is so nice and mature. Why can't you be more like her??" do you want everybody else on this forum keep repeating those words about RomanG??

HELL NO. AM I RIGHT?? well then, all I have to say is this, as Strider kindly put it: GROW THE kitten UP!!!


The first step to respect is respecting others. If you want that respect from everyone else, then you should do the same.

It doesn't matter if that person has opposing views, what's important is how you respect that person. EVERYONE deserves some form of respect.

Show me where people on this forum started judging people because of it's age or way better labelling people here?, i find really strange for a NH fan come into a cover 64 thread to discuss about Nh vs NS there's ways to discuss about it you can be okay and accept their opinions but it's different to force a type of thinking based on something or even personal experiences, immaturity is making claims like "You never experienced love on your life" and so on...
I respect other's opinions until does not cross the line or come with double standards and fallacies.
Narusaku has downside however like Sakura not having a powerup and having to rely on her role as a medic ninja while Hinata is someome who fights on the front but srsly you cant apply a logic like "obito loved rin until the end because they were a healthy relationship" but does not apply to NaruSaku.
Immaturity is joining a debate and does not "accept" other views, you simply doesnt all post can be resumed with "i love NS and i support it i have my claims" or "i love Hinata and i support NH because i want Hinata to get her best"
You're not better than anyone to tell everyone to grown up because everyone here is guilty on some way.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 March 2013 - 12:35 PM.

[tricksie]

Wow, this thread has galloped out of control.

Ok. Instead of closing it, all posts after this have to be about the cover and the cover only. Not about the fandoms, not about the fan interactions. Just about the cover and how it specifically effects the characters and the manga.

These types of threads always raise tempers, and no fans (NS or NH) are shone in a good light. But it's important to have a place where we can discuss this particular cover.

So, if we can keep the posts on topic, I'm okay with leaving the thread open.

But if not, if the thread veers back into fandom wars or critiques of other users/comments, then I'll have to close it.

[Don-kun]

Sorry tricksie but I have to agree with Dαrkrєrsŧ, the debate here are not heaven close to the one on NF, YT, DA, OMF,Viz forum etc.
People here are far more respectful to other member, but sadly people should stop criticizing others or saying that they need to grow up since when people become the fathers of other users here, since when they become better than the rest, all I'm saying is that the peoples here does not behave the same way NaruHina, NaruSaku, NaruSasu and SS fans behave on other sites, so they should stop being so full of themselves and learn how to ask people to calm down with out calling them embarrassment, grow to F*** up, immature child, etc. since those are personal attack and it's a lot worst than attacking someones argument with arguments.

Edited by Don-kun, 27 March 2013 - 03:53 PM.

[StriderC]

Sorry tricksie but I have to agree with Dαrkrєrsŧ, the debate here are not heaven close to the one on NF, YT, DA, OMF,Viz forum etc.
People here are far more respectful to other member, but sadly people should stop criticizing others or saying that the need to grow up since when people become the fathers of other uses her, since when they become better than the rest, all I'm saying is that the peoples here does not behave the same way NaruHina, NaruSaku, NaruSasu and SS fans behave on other site so they should stop being so full of themselves and learn how to ask people to calm down with out calling them embarrassment, grow to F*** up etc. since those are personal attack and is a lot worst than attacking someones argument with arguments.

LOL Wow... Yeah, you're most definitely talking about me. This coming from the guy who greeted the NH fan so politely. I'm not acting as though I'm anyone's father, or anything of the sort, but I'm sure as hell not gonna sit idly if I spot something I don't like. I didn't think that the NH fan was greeted properly so I commented on it. If people got offended, I don't care because guess what, their behavior as well as yours was completely ridiculous...

[Don-kun]

LOL Wow... Yeah, you're most definitely talking about me. This coming from the guy who greeted the NH fan so politely. I'm not acting as though I'm anyone's father, or anything of the sort, but I'm sure as hell not gonna sit idly if I spot something I don't like. I didn't think that the NH fan was greeted properly so I commented on it. If people got offended, I don't care because guess what, their behavior as well as yours was completely ridiculous...

Thank you so much for the complement.
But No I was not talking about you at all, is some way, just in some way I agree with you.
I just hate the constant arrogance behavior and you are not part of that.

Edited by Don-kun, 27 March 2013 - 04:05 PM.

[Slextrem]

So... about that cover. Is it bad that seeing Neji hung up in the air like that makes me laugh?

[StriderC]

So... about that cover. Is it bad that seeing Neji hung up in the air like that makes me laugh?

LMAO. I know. I was off topic. No more rantsssssssss!!

And I still haven't seen a bigger version yet.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

LOL Wow... Yeah, you're most definitely talking about me. This coming from the guy who greeted the NH fan so politely. I'm not acting as though I'm anyone's father, or anything of the sort, but I'm sure as hell not gonna sit idly if I spot something I don't like. I didn't think that the NH fan was greeted properly so I commented on it. If people got offended, I don't care because guess what, their behavior as well as yours was completely ridiculous...

I think we should not talk about it but he's also guilty he jumped on this thread to talk about NaruHina vs NaruSaku, he could say "hey guys i'm an NH fan and i hope we enjoy things here" instead of starting a debate of NH vs NS which obviously would lead to some heathing up.
He offended me on three different ways while i was only talking about arguments, also things that even Codus N pointed out which i do disagree he pratically called the whole NS fanbase as newbies and at the same time didnt, and pratically called everyone who disagree with him as immature ones and at the same time didnt.
The thread got derailed way before the Nh fan joined and became worse when he joined and his first post was an start of a debate about NH vs NS.
He could have been greeted properly if he didnt started the debated people were more focused on replying his posts as i said i just hope that we and the users stop making threads like this and think a little before jumping to conclusions.

So let's just stop here and keep the discussion.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 March 2013 - 04:40 PM.

[Slextrem]

LMAO. I know. I was off topic. No more rantsssssssss!!

And I still haven't seen a bigger version yet.

I can't find it anywhere else other than Deviant Art. Maybe it's a fake~ That would be one heck of a troll.

[sushi.]

I can't find it anywhere else other than Deviant Art. Maybe it's a fake~ That would be one heck of a troll.

Hey, not even LadyGT can draw that close to Kishi's style!