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[lord287]

You know, it's not even about whether his redemption sends an awful message or not. It's all about whether or not Sasuke wants to be redeemed and so far he has shown no real interest in wanting to be redeemed. They give examples of Darth Vadar, Gaara, and few other people, but most didn't get redeemed until after they died. Here is one point that sticks out more than anything.

Gaara wanted redemption and they gave him a chance. He became good. Naruto gave Nagato a chance as well and what did he do? He sacrificed himself to save all he had did with Konoha. (Ironically, he said he couldn't even forgive Nagato for what he has done.) While he couldn't bring back all of them, he tried when given the choice. Naruto is one for giving chances to people to forgive and try for them to repent, but if you notice that not all bad guys want forgiveness or to repent for what they did. Tobi and Sasuke think they are justified in what they do and they let the hate control them. So why ask for forgiveness if they didn't think they didn't do anything at all.

Orochimaru didn't get redeemed at all because he didn't want to be redeemed. He wanted power and immortality. Would Kabuto get a choice too? Would he accept it? If Sasuke continues his path for revenge, there will be no redemption for him. Naruto even offered him the choice and he declined it many times. You can only save those who want to be saved. If he fights Naruto, then he has made a choice and the only redemption he can gain is from self-sacrifice like Vadar and Nagato. In any case, I don't see a way for Sasuke to coming out of this alive.

actually it is better for NS if sasuke comes back! If NS happens in end after sasuke dies it will have following consequences

1)SS fans will get to mock us by saying sakura only chose naruto because sasuke died and naruto was her second choice
2)Even if naruto and sakura get married they both will not be fully happy because they both will keep on thinking that they would have been happier if sasuke was there with them too(atleast naruto will think so)
3)Naruto might not think of sakura truly loving him, same as he did during her confession(which I don't know was true or not)

but if sasuke is redeemed and then NS happens these things will be accomplished

1)SS fans won't be able to say NS happened because sasuke died or he didn't become good
2)They will have no thoughts of regret if sasuke is with them! They will be completely happy(here also naruto's emotions wil lbe shown more)
3)naruto will definitely think sakura is telling truth and has finally come to love him after seeing she chose him over the person he thought she loved was their with them and she is still choosing him

Edited by lord287, 19 April 2012 - 04:36 PM.

[Gravenimage]

Sasuke's "redemption" sends an awful message...

You should check that out.

http://www.narutofor...ad.php?t=818100

Rules say you can't post links from other forums whether it's general topic or pairings debate.

[James S Cassidy]

actually it is better for NS if sasuke comes back! If NS happens in end after sasuke dies it will have following consequences

And what of the third option that Sasuke doesn't want revenge at all and just doesn't come back period? Neither dies nor gets redeemed.

1)SS fans will get to mock us by saying sakura only chose naruto because sasuke died and naruto was her second choice
1)SS fans won't be able to say NS happened because sasuke died or he didn't become good

This assuming if people care whether they are willing to listen to the SS fans about their whining. Honestly, SS fans are going to complain no matter what route you take. They will never be happy no matter what happens to Sasuke, redemption or not.

If Sasuke lives, they will ask why didn't Sakura go with Sasuke. Remember when I said that Sasuke killed SasuSaku. Yeah, they didn't take those hints then, they are not going to take the hint if Sasuke lives and ends up with someone other than Sakura. No matter what, they are not going to be satisfied unless Sakura gets with Sasuke, so really I am not going to factor what SS fans think because whatever happens. Happens. Let's be realistic here.

Then you got the NH fans who are going to throw up a fit too because Naruto ends up with Sakura, so honestly. They care little what happens to Sasuke and the only reason why they want him to live is so he takes Sakura away from Naruto. And us, if Sakura doesn't end up with Naruto chances are we are going to feel cheated and Sasuke got a "Get out of Jail free" card AND got the women who he doesn't even deserve it.

So the opinions of other fanbases is not a good argument to use because they are going to whine no matter what happens. Someone is going to get upset. There is no real ending to suit to everybody's wants.

Kishimoto doesn't cater to the fans who are whining so, I am not going to either. Whatever Kishi decides, he decides. That's it.

2)Even if naruto and sakura get married they both will not be fully happy because they both will keep on thinking that they would have been happier if sasuke was there with them too(atleast naruto will think so)
3)Naruto might not think of sakura truly loving him, same as he did during her confession(which I don't know was true or not)

Not if something else occurs between now and the time of the battle that could reassure Naruto's and Sakura's thoughts. Another NS moment where they agree that no matter what happens, they will always be together. To assure each others love no matter what outcome may occur. Isn't that what the theme of story is about? Overcoming adversaries and being true to yourself. This matter could easily be solved by one conversation between Naruto and Sakura.

That saying, if Naruto ends up with Hinata then you have Hinata being the "second choice" and in the end no one is satisfied. I don't think Kishi would have it occur like that even if he does kill Sasuke off. I'll explain at the bottom.

but if sasuke is redeemed and then NS happens these things will be accomplished

2)They will have no thoughts of regret if sasuke is with them! They will be completely happy(here also naruto's emotions wil lbe shown more)
3)naruto will definitely think sakura is telling truth and has finally come to love him after seeing she chose him over the person he thought she loved was their with them and she is still choosing him

Like I said, then you will have the SasuSaku fans whining about why Sasuke didn't end up with Sakura and THEY will say that Naruto is the second choice because Sasuke didn't want her. Again, playing with Naruto being the second-choice and since you said you take SS fans' opinion to heart, then you're not going to be satisfied with this ending either cause SS fans will make it seem like Naruto is still the second choice. If you don't care about what SS fans say, then you're first arguments are not applicable

Naruto should believe Sakura is telling the truth regardless of what happens to Sasuke. If Sakura makes that effort to prove her love for Naruto in the next up coming chapters, then nothing will change their mind of each other no matter if Sasuke lives or dies. There will be heartache and sorrow, but this will be on Sasuke's head. Not Naruto's or Sakura's. He is the bad guy. He is causing all the suffering. Unfortunately, Naruto and Sakura are paying for it.

In reality, this is up to Sakura on what happens and how it plays out. If she proves her love for Naruto and Naruto believes her; even if Sasuke dies Sakura will provide the healing that Naruto needs and tell him it is okay. This will establish her as much a heroine(hero) as Naruto is. She will understand that as much as they hate to admit, Sasuke did it to himself and they did everything they could to bring him back. There was no other way.

On the alternative, as many have called it the Darth Vadar ending, Sasuke self-sacrifices and in his dying breath thanks Naruto for saving him. This leaves Naruto without regret and as much as he didn't want Sasuke to die, he can accept much easier that death is apart of life. That Sasuke is in a better place with the brother and family he wanted back.

Of course, there is even the ending where both Naruto and Sasuke die and NO pairing gets to happen effectively pissing everyone off. We have to see what happens leading up to the fight because if Sakura does anything to re-establish Naruto's feelings, assuring that she will love him no matter what happens, then the occurrences you provided will not factor. If Kishi is a smart enough writer, he will show Sakura deciding on the final outcome herself and preparing for what consequences may occur because anything could happen at this point. Sakura is in the toughest spot out of anybody. She can't do anything to change the course of history except decide whose side she wants to be on.

And Naruto has to learn they he may not succeed. That he may not be able to bring Sasuke back. You're always going to face with failure and not everything is going to go your way. This is about growing up which Naruto needs to do if he hasn't done already. Otherwise, he is going to be seen as a crybaby if the fandoms don't see him one already. Which they do. Naruto has confidence and faith in everyone, but himself. He always puts himself down, always keeping himself from happiness because he feels he doesn't deserve it. If Sakura can give him that confidence and love he needs, then Naruto will be set to face anything and overcome it. This is not to deter him from trying, this is just to help him understand a logical truth and a probable outcome.

So, let's see what Sakura does first before we assume anything. All eyes are on her. No pressure, Sakura

I found something that might be interesting to read: Idealism vs Cynicism. (Read this carefully, cause it does apply to Naruto and Sasuke.)
http://tvtropes.org/...mVersusCynicism

Edited by James S Cassidy, 19 April 2012 - 06:11 PM.

[lord287]

And what of the third option that Sasuke doesn't want revenge at all and just doesn't come back period? Neither dies nor gets redeemed.



This assuming if people care whether they are willing to listen to the SS fans about their whining. Honestly, SS fans are going to complain no matter what route you take. They will never be happy no matter what happens to Sasuke, redemption or not.

If Sasuke lives, they will ask why didn't Sakura go with Sasuke. Remember when I said that Sasuke killed SasuSaku. Yeah, they didn't take those hints then, they are not going to take the hint if Sasuke lives and ends up with someone other than Sakura. No matter what, they are not going to be satisfied unless Sakura gets with Sasuke, so really I am not going to factor what SS fans think because whatever happens. Happens. Let's be realistic here.

Then you got the NH fans who are going to throw up a fit too because Naruto ends up with Sakura, so honestly. They care little what happens to Sasuke and the only reason why they want him to live is so he takes Sakura away from Naruto. And us, if Sakura doesn't end up with Naruto chances are we are going to feel cheated and Sasuke got a "Get out of Jail free" card AND got the women who he doesn't even deserve it.

So the opinions of other fanbases is not a good argument to use because they are going to whine no matter what happens. Someone is going to get upset. There is no real ending to suit to everybody's wants.

Kishimoto doesn't cater to the fans who are whining so, I am not going to either. Whatever Kishi decides, he decides. That's it.



Not if something else occurs between now and the time of the battle that could reassure Naruto's and Sakura's thoughts. Another NS moment where they agree that no matter what happens, they will always be together. To assure each others love no matter what outcome may occur. Isn't that what the theme of story is about? Overcoming adversaries and being true to yourself. This matter could easily be solved by one conversation between Naruto and Sakura.

That saying, if Naruto ends up with Hinata then you have Hinata being the "second choice" and in the end no one is satisfied. I don't think Kishi would have it occur like that even if he does kill Sasuke off. I'll explain at the bottom.



Like I said, then you will have the SasuSaku fans whining about why Sasuke didn't end up with Sakura and THEY will say that Naruto is the second choice because Sasuke didn't want her. Again, playing with Naruto being the second-choice and since you said you take SS fans' opinion to heart, then you're not going to be satisfied with this ending either cause SS fans will make it seem like Naruto is still the second choice. If you don't care about what SS fans say, then you're first arguments are not applicable

Naruto should believe Sakura is telling the truth regardless of what happens to Sasuke. If Sakura makes that effort to prove her love for Naruto in the next up coming chapters, then nothing will change their mind of each other no matter if Sasuke lives or dies. There will be heartache and sorrow, but this will be on Sasuke's head. Not Naruto's or Sakura's. He is the bad guy. He is causing all the suffering. Unfortunately, Naruto and Sakura are paying for it.

In reality, this is up to Sakura on what happens and how it plays out. If she proves her love for Naruto and Naruto believes her; even if Sasuke dies Sakura will provide the healing that Naruto needs and tell him it is okay. This will establish her as much a heroine(hero) as Naruto is. She will understand that as much as they hate to admit, Sasuke did it to himself and they did everything they could to bring him back. There was no other way.

On the alternative, as many have called it the Darth Vadar ending, Sasuke self-sacrifices and in his dying breath thanks Naruto for saving him. This leaves Naruto without regret and as much as he didn't want Sasuke to die, he can accept much easier that death is apart of life. That Sasuke is in a better place with the brother and family he wanted back.

Of course, there is even the ending where both Naruto and Sasuke die and NO pairing gets to happen effectively pissing everyone off. We have to see what happens leading up to the fight because if Sakura does anything to re-establish Naruto's feelings, assuring that she will love him no matter what happens, then the occurrences you provided will not factor. If Kishi is a smart enough writer, he will show Sakura deciding on the final outcome herself and preparing for what consequences may occur because anything could happen at this point. Sakura is in the toughest spot out of anybody. She can't do anything to change the course of history except decide whose side she wants to be on.

And Naruto has to learn they he may not succeed. That he may not be able to bring Sasuke back. You're always going to face with failure and not everything is going to go your way. This is about growing up which Naruto needs to do if he hasn't done already. Otherwise, he is going to be seen as a crybaby if the fandoms don't see him one already. Which they do. Naruto has confidence and faith in everyone, but himself. He always puts himself down, always keeping himself from happiness because he feels he doesn't deserve it. If Sakura can give him that confidence and love he needs, then Naruto will be set to face anything and overcome it. This is not to deter him from trying, this is just to help him understand a logical truth and a probable outcome.

So, let's see what Sakura does first before we assume anything. All eyes are on her. No pressure, Sakura

I found something that might be interesting to read: Idealism vs Cynicism. (Read this carefully, cause it does apply to Naruto and Sasuke.)
http://tvtropes.org/...mVersusCynicism

Okay agreed to you!

I also think the same that the upcoming chapters where naruto and sakura meet, will tell us who sakura has chosen really as her romantic interest! I do hope it is naruto and she doesn't bring up sasuke this time like she did in chapter 540! As for naruto he better believe her this time if she tells the truth! I really hope kishi will be going for narusaku! And I do hope that something don't happen which become anti-NS because then I won't be able to believe NS to happen since already i am having lots of doubt about NS! But I will never abondon the ship until it is proven crack, which I don't think will happen!

Praying hard for NS to happen!!

Edited by lord287, 19 April 2012 - 06:18 PM.

[ciardha]

And what of the third option that Sasuke doesn't want revenge at all and just doesn't come back period? Neither dies nor gets redeemed.

I think you both are missing what is the most likely ending for Sasuke- redemption (which for him means his character has to fall from his personal pedestal of glory that he's put himself and his clan.) but no return to Konoha- becoming a wanderer in search of who he really is, free of his brainwashed assumptions, but retaining his bond to Naruto (he'll realize as Naruto claimed, he was more a real brother to Sasuke than Itachi was- I won't be surprised if Kishimoto doesn't set up that ending soon by having Itachi say much those words to Sasuke. Itachi will figure out it's time to give up on trying to push Sasuke to care about Konoha, and instead try to change his motivation by a bond he knows is still there- the one to Naruto. The part 1 moment we saw Sasuke's most intense bond was when he heard Naruto was in danger. Sasuke panics and races to save Naruto. (when Sasuke ends up facing down Itachi)

Sasuke will essentially become a Kenshin-like character. And pairing wise, even though I'm not a sasukar shipper my gut feeling from what Kishimoto has done and said with Sasuke and Karin (and even had an observing character state), and my familiarity with shonen manga archetypes as well- yeah Karin will play a role in Sasuke's life- and no she won't just fall into his arms. I'm expecting to see her acting even more tsundere than she did before. (a kind of Kaoru of Kenshin type character.)

I know some of you all absolutely hate that pairing, or hate even the idea of Sasuke redeemed in any way and paired with anyone. I'm just saying be prepared for it, my gut feeling tells me Kishimoto is heading that direction. Sasuke's fate has been less clear- with several possibilities having near equal weight. But I've thought a Kenshin-like scenario was a distinct possibility since the time Sasuke began to work with Hebi/Taka.

[redragon88]

I think you both are missing what is the most likely ending for Sasuke- redemption (which for him means his character has to fall from his personal pedestal of glory that he's put himself and his clan.) but no return to Konoha- becoming a wanderer in search of who he really is, free of his brainwashed assumptions, but retaining his bond to Naruto (he'll realize as Naruto claimed, he was more a real brother to Sasuke than Itachi was- I won't be surprised if Kishimoto doesn't set up that ending soon by having Itachi say much those words to Sasuke. Itachi will figure out it's time to give up on trying to push Sasuke to care about Konoha, and instead try to change his motivation by a bond he knows is still there- the one to Naruto. The part 1 moment we saw Sasuke's most intense bond was when he heard Naruto was in danger. Sasuke panics and races to save Naruto. (when Sasuke ends up facing down Itachi)

Sasuke will essentially become a Kenshin-like character. And pairing wise, even though I'm not a sasukar shipper my gut feeling from what Kishimoto has done and said with Sasuke and Karin (and even had an observing character state), and my familiarity with shonen manga archetypes as well- yeah Karin will play a role in Sasuke's life- and no she won't just fall into his arms. I'm expecting to see her acting even more tsundere than she did before. (a kind of Kaoru of Kenshin type character.)

I know some of you all absolutely hate that pairing, or hate even the idea of Sasuke redeemed in any way and paired with anyone. I'm just saying be prepared for it, my gut feeling tells me Kishimoto is heading that direction. Sasuke's fate has been less clear- with several possibilities having near equal weight. But I've thought a Kenshin-like scenario was a distinct possibility since the time Sasuke began to work with Hebi/Taka.

I remember when Danzo stated that Sautobi defended the village from the light while he did it from the shadows. Maybe Naruto and Sasuke will become the new defenders of the shinobi world like that at the end. Naruto from the light by being the Hokage and Sasuke from the shadows by being a wanderer who maintained ties to Naruto.

Quick question, I was pretty sure that Sasuke went to Naruto in part 1 because he heard that it was a possibility that Itachi would be there and therefore Sasuke finally had a chance to face him. Are you sure it wasn't like that?

Edited by redragon88, 19 April 2012 - 09:46 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

I think you both are missing what is the most likely ending for Sasuke- redemption (which for him means his character has to fall from his personal pedestal of glory that he's put himself and his clan.) but no return to Konoha- becoming a wanderer in search of who he really is, free of his brainwashed assumptions, but retaining his bond to Naruto (he'll realize as Naruto claimed....dot dot dot

I didn't forget, but the question is...How is this going to work? When does he redeem himself and then go to on this journey? We know Sasuke and Naruto are going to fight. Kishimoto said so himself and half the fanbase is expecting it. So when does the redemption come in and how is he going to be redeemed? I don't think an apology alone is going to do it. He really needs to do something that shows that he is changed and it will take a lot of convincing.

I don't think Sasuke is going to say "Oh hey, I screwed up. I was wrong. Sorry everyone. I am going bye bye now" and then just disappear. So how will it play out? Cause from my mind, I can't think of a way for it to occur without problems or having it seem awkward. There is only one way I can see it happen effectively and SS fans are not going to be happy with it, but I did say their opinions should matter little to however Kishimoto wants it.

The biggest problem is Sasuke is known for ass-pulls and redemption for Sasuke has to be treaded carefully because you don't want it to seem forced or an ass-pull. If Kishimoto can do it and make it seem legit more power to him, but if he can't I wouldn't even try it.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 19 April 2012 - 11:07 PM.

[lord287]

I didn't forget, but the question is...How is this going to work? When does he redeem himself and then go to on this journey? We know Sasuke and Naruto are going to fight. Kishimoto said so himself and half the fanbase is expecting it. So when does the redemption come in and how is he going to be redeemed? I don't think an apology alone is going to do it. He really needs to do something that shows that he is changed and it will take a lot of convincing.

I don't think Sasuke is going to say "Oh hey, I screwed up. I was wrong. Sorry everyone. I am going bye bye now" and then just disappear. So how will it play out? Cause from my mind, I can't think of a way for it to occur without problems or having it seem awkward. There is only one way I can see it happen effectively and SS fans are not going to be happy with it, but I did say their opinions should matter little to however Kishimoto wants it.

The biggest problem is Sasuke is known for ass-pulls and redemption for Sasuke has to be treaded carefully because you don't want it to seem forced or an ass-pull. If Kishimoto can do it and make it seem legit more power to him, but if he can't I wouldn't even try it.

I also want sasuke vs naruto to happen because I want to see naruto beat crap out of sasuke once and prove that he Is the main character and not sasuke!

This means he should also get the girl!....LOL!!

Jokes apart I am just wondering if sasuke doesn't come back it will be biggest fail naruto has ever had and he keeps on sayin how he can become the hokage if he can't even save a friend and if he can't save sasuke then it means he won't be able to become hokage! Moreover I really do think it will be better for NS as well if sakura chooses naruto over a redeemed sasuke and not the mad sasuke! Because then her love for naruto will be purely verified because people really won't say she came to naruto because sasuke died!

James i read ur post where u told that SS fans won't keep quiet whatever happens but i think even if they don't keep quiet their will be something for NS fans to answer to them that sakura chose naruto not as her second choice because sasuke was good again and she could have chosen him but no she stil chose naruto! whereas if sasuke doesn't get redeemed and then NS happens, at least I don't have an answer that naruto was or was not her second choice!

For me sasuke coming back is good thing for naruto and also a better thing for NS(if NS happens)!!

Edited by lord287, 20 April 2012 - 10:39 AM.

[Turson]

Sasukes redemption is as obvious as only possible, Im surprised that somedoby can even doubt that. If Sasuke wont redeem himself, it would be the biggest fail of main character, Naruto.

[T XD]

Sasukes redemption is as obvious as only possible, Im surprised that somedoby can even doubt that. If Sasuke wont redeem himself, it would be the biggest fail of main character, Naruto.

sasuke's redemption is a big possibility but there is another big possibility which he could be killed by another character and if it is naruto kishi will definitely make it as an accident when the two will battle ( if they will battle) or he could be redeemed but will not go back to the village. i think we have to wait when the kabuto vs itachi and sasuke fight is over and when if itachi will talk to sasuke about his plans then the things will get more clear i'm sure of it

[Turson]

sasuke's redemption is a big possibility but there is another big possibility which he could be killed by another character and if it is naruto kishi will definitely make it as an accident when the two will battle

Dont you think it would be simply too tragic for Naruto to kill a man he regards a brother?

[lord287]

sasuke's redemption is a big possibility but there is another big possibility which he could be killed by another character and if it is naruto kishi will definitely make it as an accident when the two will battle ( if they will battle) or he could be redeemed but will not go back to the village. i think we have to wait when the kabuto vs itachi and sasuke fight is over and when if itachi will talk to sasuke about his plans then the things will get more clear i'm sure of it

sasuke getting killed by any other character than naruto will be kind of kitten! Because naruto has to defeat sasuke once in the manga which will be 1 of the greatest battles ever!

Currently I am waiting only for many things to happen in manga:

1)naruto vs tobi fight( i am so annoyed that i am unable to see my favourite fight for more than 2 months now!)
2)sakura meeting naruto so the pairings will get decided that whether she has romantic feelings for naruto or only loves him as a friend and will continue to love sasuke no matter he dies or kills her or naurto!(praying hard for romantic NS moment and not just an NS moment, because for me if it doesn't happen here it might never happen)
3)What the heck itachi wants to say to sasuke now! He clearly stated to naruto he won't go to sasuke and now they have met up by chance he got an idea about he have to tell sasuke something important! This only tells me kishi sometimes really put some words in manga to increase hopes of people and then forget all development and take it totally opposite side!(again I hope he won't do this to NS)

Other things i don't give a heck about that how is madara vs kages will go or what can izanami do! Only top 3 things seem important to me right now as for naruto and NS point of view!

[James S Cassidy]

James i read ur post where u told that SS fans won't keep quiet whatever happens but i think even if they don't keep quiet their will be something for NS fans to answer to them that sakura chose naruto not as her second choice because sasuke was good again and she could have chosen him but no she stil chose naruto! whereas if sasuke doesn't get redeemed and then NS happens, at least I don't have an answer that naruto was or was not her second choice!

For me sasuke coming back is good thing for naruto and also a better thing for NS(if NS happens)!!

Still, don't decide something is right because you don't want to piss the SS fans off. My point is you shouldn't listen to them no matter what happens and no matter what they say. Just like we shouldn't listen to the NH fans if something doesn't go their way. They are not going to listen to us if we call foul on anything either. And it doesn't really matter anyway cause it's Kishimoto's manga. Not ours.

I know you guys want Sasuke to be redeemed and still be alive, but I have still yet to see how this can be achieved. Might as well say there is no such thing has "bad guys" cause everyone can be redeemed.

Sasuke has killed people, joined the biggest terrorist organization Akatsuki, Attacked Killer Bee, threatened to destroy Konoha, killed Danzou, and more or less is on the "Most wanted list." So what can Sasuke do, if he wants redemption that is, to be redeemed? Even Gaara had to prove his redemption before they just accepted it. Luckily, they didn't kill him because the village themselves blamed themselves for the incident. They treated him like a weapon, not a person. Sasuke is different. He never was a Jinchurki and unlike Gaara, he had many chances to live a normal life.

As we know, self-sacrifice is the ultimate form of redemption. So this seems the most likely to me without it seeming cheap
http://tvtropes.org/...tionEqualsDeath

And what if Sasuke is killed by Tobi's or Kabuto's hand? It is still possible and it since Tobi is after Naruto as well, Sasuke could jump in the way of a bullet and die from it thus gaining the redemption.

Honestly, I don't really care either way. I just don't want all of sudden Sasuke to be seen as this great hero and get the girl and get all this glory that really Naruto should be getting. Even Itachi deserves a little more credit than Sasuke does. Either he self-sacrifices and gets glory that Naruto wants, or he lives gets redemption and starts from nothing never to return to Konoha ever again. There has to be some kind of consequence against him. It may not be death, but even imprisonment is enough of a punishment.

And Kishi still has to resolve Sakura and her feelings even before this all happens.

sasuke getting killed by any other character than naruto will be kind of kitten! Because naruto has to defeat sasuke once in the manga which will be 1 of the greatest battles ever!

But Naruto is not going to kill Sasuke. Since he is the hero and you want him to redeem Sasuke it is possible for Naruto to defeat Sasuke AND not kill him.

You know what would be a GREAT scene. If Sasuke and Naruto duke it out to exhaustion and right as Naruto could take him with one final blow he doesn't. He just says he is done with Sasuke. Sakura runs to Naruto and hugs him saying that she is glad Naruto didn't do it. Sasuke gets a second wind and appears to about to kill Naruto with a final blow, but Sakura comes between them telling him that she loves Naruto and she won't let Sasuke hurt him anymore. Sasuke then looks to attack them both when really he attacks Tobi who was coming back behind the shadows to kill them all. Then it goes into a big battle, Tobi dies, Sasuke lives and is redeemed.

Naruto asks if Sasuke is going to stay and he says "I don't belong here. It's time for me to find a home of my own." Naruto smiles and Sasuke leaves. We can even have Karin follow him and they are never heard from again. While Naruto becomes Hokage and that is the end.

I think this ending would please everyone, don't you think?

Edited by James S Cassidy, 20 April 2012 - 02:26 PM.

[lord287]

Still, don't decide something is right because you don't want to piss the SS fans off. My point is you shouldn't listen to them no matter what happens and no matter what they say. Just like we shouldn't listen to the NH fans if something doesn't go their way. They are not going to listen to us if we call foul on anything either. And it doesn't really matter anyway cause it's Kishimoto's manga. Not ours.

I know you guys want Sasuke to be redeemed and still be alive, but I have still yet to see how this can be achieved. Might as well say there is no such thing has "bad guys" cause everyone can be redeemed.

Sasuke has killed people, joined the biggest terrorist organization Akatsuki, Attacked Killer Bee, threatened to destroy Konoha, killed Danzou, and more or less is on the "Most wanted list." So what can Sasuke do, if he wants redemption that is, to be redeemed? Even Gaara had to prove his redemption before they just accepted it. Luckily, they didn't kill him because the village themselves blamed themselves for the incident. They treated him like a weapon, not a person. Sasuke is different. He never was a Jinchurki and unlike Gaara, he had many chances to live a normal life.

As we know, self-sacrifice is the ultimate form of redemption. So this seems the most likely to me without it seeming cheap
http://tvtropes.org/...tionEqualsDeath

And what if Sasuke is killed by Tobi's or Kabuto's hand? It is still possible and it since Tobi is after Naruto as well, Sasuke could jump in the way of a bullet and die from it thus gaining the redemption.

Honestly, I don't really care either way. I just don't want all of sudden Sasuke to be seen as this great hero and get the girl and get all this glory that really Naruto should be getting. Even Itachi deserves a little more credit than Sasuke does. Either he self-sacrifices and gets glory that Naruto wants, or he lives gets redemption and starts from nothing never to return to Konoha ever again. There has to be some kind of consequence against him. It may not be death, but even imprisonment is enough of a punishment.

And Kishi still has to resolve Sakura and her feelings even before this all happens.



But Naruto is not going to kill Sasuke. Since he is the hero and you want him to redeem Sasuke it is possible for Naruto to defeat Sasuke AND not kill him.

You know what would be a GREAT scene. If Sasuke and Naruto duke it out to exhaustion and right as Naruto could take him with one final blow he doesn't. He just says he is done with Sasuke. Sakura runs to Naruto and hugs him saying that she is glad Naruto didn't do it. Sasuke gets a second wind and appears to about to kill Naruto with a final blow, but Sakura comes between them telling him that she loves Naruto and she won't let Sasuke hurt him anymore. [b]Sasuke then looks to attack them both when really he attacks Tobi who was coming back behind the shadows to kill them all. Then it goes into a big battle, Tobi dies, Sasuke lives and is redeemed.

Naruto asks if Sasuke is going to stay and he says "I don't belong here. It's time for me to find a home of my own." Naruto smiles and Sasuke leaves. We can even have Karin follow him and they are never heard from again. While Naruto becomes Hokage and that is the end.

I think this ending would please everyone, don't you think?

Have nice chances but i don't think sakura will play such a role! And if she does I will be very happy coz then after all narusaku will be huge canon but i think it is too much hypothetical situation u r looking at! Because I don't see naruto ending with how many useless series end! Moreover I don't think sasuke wil lbe the one killing the main villain(i.e up till now i think tobi). If kishi makes it happen like the part I darkened in the end(other part seems nice) it wil lseem like many other series where someone or other always do such kind of thing! It will just be kind of how sasuke thought itachi is going to hurt him after his battle with itachi but itachi just touched his forehead like always!

So from my side I don't want the part I bolded at all to happen, yeah but rest where sakura says she loves naruto etc I like that idea!

[Turson]

Sasuke has killed people, joined the biggest terrorist organization Akatsuki, Attacked Killer Bee, threatened to destroy Konoha, killed Danzou, and more or less is on the "Most wanted list." So what can Sasuke do, if he wants redemption that is, to be redeemed?

For exmaple, help to take down Tobi. I have a feeling that we will see Naruto and Sasuke fighting alongside each other once more.

[James S Cassidy]

Have nice chances but i don't think sakura will play such a role! And if she does I will be very happy coz then after all narusaku will be huge canon but i think it is too much hypothetical situation u r looking at! Because I don't see naruto ending with how many useless series end! Moreover I don't think sasuke wil lbe the one killing the main villain(i.e up till now i think tobi). If kishi makes it happen like the part I darkened in the end(other part seems nice) it wil lseem like many other series where someone or other always do such kind of thing! It will just be kind of how sasuke thought itachi is going to hurt him after his battle with itachi but itachi just touched his forehead like always!

So from my side I don't want the part I bolded at all to happen, yeah but rest where sakura says she loves naruto etc I like that idea!

Okay, so this is what I am getting at from everyone's post. This is what I can piece together that everyone wants.

So, you guys want Sasuke to be redeemed with no consequences and no conflict (that means no fight between Naruto and Sasuke.) Sakura stays out of it and chooses Naruto regardless of what happens, but Sasuke must not die otherwise it de-means her and Naruto. Naruto HAS to succeed and no one gets disappointed. Tobi dies, Kabuto dies. Konoha lives. No good guys die EVER!!

If Naruto kills Sasuke it will be tragic; If he doesn't save Sasuke it will be tragic; Sasuke cannot be touched what so ever cause it will ruin Naruto forever. Sakura will be ruined forever as well (but she doesn't love him). If Naruto doesn't fight Sasuke, he destroys Konoha and Naruto will be sad. If he does fight and Sasuke dies, but Konoha is saved, Naruto will be even sadder.

The only possible ending you guys want is where Sasuke one day says "I'm sorry. I did bad things. Please forgive me." They pat him on the back and say "It's alright." You can't talk down to him because you don't want to hurt Naruto's OR Sasuke's feelings and anyone who does will lash at them saying they don't understand even if it is a family that says Sasuke killed their husband or father. Naruto goes to fight Tobi, but Sasuke can't help because you don't want to risk him dying and Naruto to have a tragic life. Sasuke CAN'T leave the village either because that once again will be too tragic for Naruto and he will constantly cut himself saying he failed.

Yeah...is there going to be any fighting in this at all? It also seems like you guys are okay with Naruto dying, but not okay with Sasuke dying. Correct me if I am wrong, because it seems like you don't want anything to happen to Sasuke what so ever.

I'm sorry, but for this ending to have no conflict or consequence what so ever is....too much of a hypothetical situation as well.

[Turson]

Yeah...is there going to be any fighting in this at all?

Naruto and Sasuke teams up and kicks Tobis ass. There is fighting, no drama. Sasuke turning against Tobi is very probable, considering that his actions were one of the main causes of Uchiha massacre.

Edited by Turson, 20 April 2012 - 03:28 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

Naruto and Sasuke teams up and kicks Tobis ass. There is fighting, no drama. Sasuke turning against Tobi is very probable, considering that his actions were one of the main causes of Uchiha massacre.

Impossible. There is no way this is coming out with no drama. That's just too wishful thinking and it is unavoidable. And if Sasuke fights Tobi, there is a good chance Tobi will kill him. You hate this idea, but it is as much possibility as anything else.

I don't believe that with all the drama that has already happened between Naruto and Sasuke, that all of sudden it is just going to stop without cause.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 20 April 2012 - 03:56 PM.

[Turson]

Impossible. There is no way this is coming out with no drama. That's just too wishful thinking and it is unavoidable. And if Sasuke fights Tobi, there is a good chance Tobi will kill him. You hate this idea, but it is as much possibility as anything else.

I already explained that in my previous post.

There may be some drama, but that doesnt mean Sasuke will die. Going by your logic, Sakura shouldnt even come close to Naruto now, since Tobi might kill her. Fact is, Kishimoto dont like to kill even his side characters, let alone main characters.

Edited by Turson, 20 April 2012 - 03:58 PM.

[lord287]

Okay, so this is what I am getting at from everyone's post. This is what I can piece together that everyone wants.

So, you guys want Sasuke to be redeemed with no consequences and no conflict (that means no fight between Naruto and Sasuke.) Sakura stays out of it and chooses Naruto regardless of what happens, but Sasuke must not die otherwise it de-means her and Naruto. Naruto HAS to succeed and no one gets disappointed. Tobi dies, Kabuto dies. Konoha lives. No good guys die EVER!!

If Naruto kills Sasuke it will be tragic; If he doesn't save Sasuke it will be tragic; Sasuke cannot be touched what so ever cause it will ruin Naruto forever. Sakura will be ruined forever as well (but she doesn't love him). If Naruto doesn't fight Sasuke, he destroys Konoha and Naruto will be sad. If he does fight and Sasuke dies, but Konoha is saved, Naruto will be even sadder.

The only possible ending you guys want is where Sasuke one day says "I'm sorry. I did bad things. Please forgive me." They pat him on the back and say "It's alright." You can't talk down to him because you don't want to hurt Naruto's OR Sasuke's feelings and anyone who does will lash at them saying they don't understand even if it is a family that says Sasuke killed their husband or father. Naruto goes to fight Tobi, but Sasuke can't help because you don't want to risk him dying and Naruto to have a tragic life. Sasuke CAN'T leave the village either because that once again will be too tragic for Naruto and he will constantly cut himself saying he failed.

Yeah...is there going to be any fighting in this at all? It also seems like you guys are okay with Naruto dying, but not okay with Sasuke dying. Correct me if I am wrong, because it seems like you don't want anything to happen to Sasuke what so ever.

I'm sorry, but for this ending to have no conflict or consequence what so ever is....too much of a hypothetical situation as well.

I don't agree with you at all! I want naruto and sasuke to happen very badly because if that doesn't happen naruto will never be able to complete one of his ambitions that was defeating sasuke which he held for so long and I think is still wanting to happen but when sasuke returns! Moreover sasuke dying will definitely be if not bad then also not very good for NS! I also don't think that sasuke should be forgiven without any consequences and I want it similarly like u want that is sasuke does become good but he should not be allowed to live in the village or roam freely but I think that this won't happen, since it is just a manga and people close to main character get the chance to have freedom no matter how much they did in past. for eg vegeta killed so many people still he got bulma over yamtcha and lived with all happily!

For me Naruto vs sasuke is the most important fight because naruto was never able to beat crap out of sasuke and I don't want it to end without naruto defeating sasuke even once in entire manga! other than that Naruto vs Sasuke holds no importance for me atleast!

For me sasuke's redemption only plays importance because then naruto will be satisfied(I also don't want him coming back to village like nothing happened but believe it their are high chances that it might happen), NS will be truely canon because currently what i can see is sakura choses naruto only because she is unable to get sasuke which makes me think is Naruto a Second choice of her even after he did so many things! I mean she totally said it in her (fake or not fake) confession that she loves naruto and has given up on sasuke because sasuke just keeps on going away from her whereas naruto stays close to her! That moment made me very angry because it totally felt like Naruto became a SECOND CHOICE!.

We all have to believe that their can be things in the end which seem will totally sh*tty and out of nowhere because nothing can be perfect which also might include
1) SS happening
2) sasuke being accepted back by everyone no matter what he did
3) Even Raikage forgiving sasuke(LOL)
4) naruto dying(very sad just thinking about it )
and many more things which I don't have time to write but can happen which might also hurt the manga!

For exmaple, help to take down Tobi. I have a feeling that we will see Naruto and Sasuke fighting alongside each other once more.

No I want naruto to take down tobi without because kages will take down madara and sasuke and itachi will take down kabuto so why always put extra help to naruto where he is already pushing tobi back! It is only time for Naruto to get more glory and acknowledgement not because of other people but him alone!