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#421 Paptala

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 04:28 PM

QUOTE (Derock @ May 28 2011, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For that scan (which was already translated by NaruSaku fans in NF, while the NH fans were so desperate to drastistically change it) :

It was basically how Sakura was giving Valentine's Day chocolates for Naruto. In Japan, girls give boys chocolates/gifts on that day, while a month later on White Day, its the opposite as boys give chocolates/presents to girls.

That's cute! I can imagine that scenario in my head for Naruto and Sakura ~ X3 T
QUOTE (ciardha @ May 29 2011, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Boys they have romantic feelings for. A winking image of Sakura was chosen on top of that, making it look like she's flirting with Naruto. biggrin.gif

It does look like that indeed, which is why I was curious to see what it was exactly - even SJ seems to feel Naruto and Sakura's relationship is the one to promote in a romantic fashion. pictureem0.gif
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There's this in chapter 5 wink.gif

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This is true - there's a lot of stuff in the manga showing way early in the manga how Sakura could appreciate Naruto's feats, and people still love to claim that she was a b*tch to him for all of part one rolleyes.gif Granted, Sakura certainly had her moments of kitteniness, but in all honesty, Naruto was normally instigating it by acting immature, perverted, or doing something that she felt was going to get him in trouble (like screaming in the waiting room of the chuunin exams that he wasn't going to lose to anyone there, I'm pretty sure Sakura thought he was going to get jumped for saying that lol). Her kitteny moments were interspersed with a lot of kindness and concern that people just seem to completely ignore and / or forget.

Regardless of the fact that it took a long time to come to better understand Naruto, the fact is that their gradual inclusion of each other into their lives, problems, and emotions is all the more realistic for it.
QUOTE (Daissuke @ May 29 2011, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It was just some promotional thing for valentines day a few years ago; I believe the girls are specifying what things they bought the boys, along with some general message. It has no input from the various mangaka, though.

I figured - but still, it's nice to know we're not the only ones interpreting Naruto and Sakura's relationship in a romantic light (and I know that girls can give chocolates to their friends, but Valentines Day is still associated first and foremost with romance). narusakuct7.gif
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Posted 29 May 2011 - 06:01 PM

Now I know if i were a true NaruSaku fan I wouldnt feel so depressed over this chapter but I am.. I so am.. I'm so doubtful.. and its even in the last chapter of the series.. I'm really going to lose it please anyone lift my NaruSaku spirit up and deny that Sakura still loves Sasuke ):
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Posted 29 May 2011 - 06:14 PM

I'll post what I said in my DeviantART blog in regards to what happened last chapter:

"Just yesterday chapter 540 of Naruto was released and it caused a huge backlash in our community of fans, many people have started to doubt that NaruSaku will not happen because of one little panel. I don't want to sound harsh, but I'm very disappointed in some of our fans, why would you give up that easily on NaruSaku because of one little panel? Judging clearly from the panel Sakura wasn't thinking about any romantic thoughts for old duck butt. She was feeling guilty over what the other ninja said to her in regards to him saying he hopes he's a great guy and of course it had to be duck butt, but remember Sakura's first crush was Sasuke and I know for a fact that getting over your first crush is hard and it takes time, but eventually Sakura will get over her crush of Sasuke. Sakura does love Naruto, it's just I feel like she also feels guilty for the way she treated Naruto when she was younger and now that she sees Naruto for who he is, it's driven poor Sakura into a deep state of guilt and couple that with Naruto's rejection of her back in 470 probably doesn't help her cause, but make no mistake, this is more character development for Sakura and helps her to get over her crush of Sasuke even more.

But the main point of my message is to urge all NaruSaku fans to not give up hope just yet, we've come to far to lose this battle! There's been too much development for it to be thrown away, we just have to be patient like we always are and eventually it will all pay off for us. So I urge you to stay strong for our favorite couple and never give up! Because I sure as hell won't!"

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 06:21 PM

QUOTE (Toasty Warrior @ May 29 2011, 06:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll post what I said in my DeviantART blog in regards to what happened last chapter:

"Just yesterday chapter 540 of Naruto was released and it caused a huge backlash in our community of fans, many people have started to doubt that NaruSaku will not happen because of one little panel. I don't want to sound harsh, but I'm very disappointed in some of our fans, why would you give up that easily on NaruSaku because of one little panel? Judging clearly from the panel Sakura wasn't thinking about any romantic thoughts for old duck butt. She was feeling guilty over what the other ninja said to her in regards to him saying he hopes he's a great guy and of course it had to be duck butt, but remember Sakura's first crush was Sasuke and I know for a fact that getting over your first crush is hard and it takes time, but eventually Sakura will get over her crush of Sasuke. Sakura does love Naruto, it's just I feel like she also feels guilty for the way she treated Naruto when she was younger and now that she sees Naruto for who he is, it's driven poor Sakura into a deep state of guilt and couple that with Naruto's rejection of her back in 470 probably doesn't help her cause, but make no mistake, this is more character development for Sakura and helps her to get over her crush of Sasuke even more.

But the main point of my message is to urge all NaruSaku fans to not give up hope just yet, we've come to far to lose this battle! There's been too much development for it to be thrown away, we just have to be patient like we always are and eventually it will all pay off for us. So I urge you to stay strong for our favorite couple and never give up! Because I sure as hell won't!"


Thank you! thank you! thank you! thank you! thank you! x1000 I just needed one person one person to deny that damn panel that got me so down =] maybe Misashi was just teasing the fans this really boosted my hopes back up smile.gif
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Posted 29 May 2011 - 09:59 PM

It's impossible for Kishi to destroy a pairing that he has been developing since he started writing his manga he won't destroy it now and not ever otherwise he will fail at making a romance what's the point of Naruto never giving up if he doesn't get together with the girl he has always love?
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Posted 29 May 2011 - 10:09 PM

so true he would kill the heart of his own manga, so much development between the two would be for nothing


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Posted 29 May 2011 - 11:16 PM

QUOTE (Paptala @ May 29 2011, 12:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is true - there's a lot of stuff in the manga showing way early in the manga how Sakura could appreciate Naruto's feats, and people still love to claim that she was a b*tch to him for all of part one rolleyes.gif Granted, Sakura certainly had her moments of kitteniness, but in all honesty, Naruto was normally instigating it by acting immature, perverted, or doing something that she felt was going to get him in trouble (like screaming in the waiting room of the chuunin exams that he wasn't going to lose to anyone there, I'm pretty sure Sakura thought he was going to get jumped for saying that lol). Her kitteny moments were interspersed with a lot of kindness and concern that people just seem to completely ignore and / or forget.


That's why I urge people to reread the manga from the start. The anime and even moreso fans who hate Sakura (often anime only viewers) casts a falsely negatively shadow on her character throughout the whole fandom- including a sizeable chunk of people who call themselves narusaku shippers. Go back to the actual story Kishimoto tells and watch how those negative assumptions fall away. Even in chapter 3- Sakura's first chapter.
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QUOTE (Gravenimage @ May 29 2011, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's impossible for Kishi to destroy a pairing that he has been developing since he started writing his manga he won't destroy it now and not ever otherwise he will fail at making a romance what's the point of Naruto never giving up if he doesn't get together with the girl he has always love?


Yes, Kishi would never sink this ship. It wouldn't make sense. He does like to create a little drama, like any good mangaka. That's normal, because it wouldn't be at all interesting for them to get together immediately.
But didn't Naruto give up on Sakura in a way after POL? He hasn't stopped loving her, he just came to terms with her being in love with Sasuke. Thats why he acted the way he did after her confession.

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Posted 30 May 2011 - 10:49 AM

Kishi is like Itachi.

"You are still too weak. You aren't even worth bashing, foolish little NS members. If you want to dream come true, despise me, hate me, and live in an unsightly way... Pray, and cling to life, and then some day, when you realize the truth about this pairing like as I do, NaruSaku will do." biggrin.gif

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Posted 30 May 2011 - 11:09 AM

QUOTE (Kuraudo @ May 30 2011, 03:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kishi is like Itachi.

"You are still too weak. You aren't even worth bashing, foolish little NS members. If you want to dream come true, despise me, hate me, and live in an unsightly way... Pray, and cling to life, and then some day, when you realize the truth about this pairing like as I do, NaruSaku will do." biggrin.gif


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Posted 30 May 2011 - 11:12 AM

I am still surprised how some NS fans were very disappointed by one little panel of Sasuke. Where did all the reasons you supported NS go to? Its like you didn't really support NS in the first place if you allow this to doubt yourself and in extreme cases abandon ship and even worse bash Sakura. Are they really NS fans in the first place?

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Posted 30 May 2011 - 11:36 AM

So, umm.... here comes a bit of an awkward question.... Bee said Tsunade's probably an "E". Jiraiya stated she's 106 cm. So.... is 106 cm around the "E" size???

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Posted 30 May 2011 - 11:46 AM

QUOTE (Toasty Warrior @ May 29 2011, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll post what I said in my DeviantART blog in regards to what happened last chapter:

"Just yesterday chapter 540 of Naruto was released and it caused a huge backlash in our community of fans, many people have started to doubt that NaruSaku will not happen because of one little panel. I don't want to sound harsh, but I'm very disappointed in some of our fans, why would you give up that easily on NaruSaku because of one little panel? Judging clearly from the panel Sakura wasn't thinking about any romantic thoughts for old duck butt. She was feeling guilty over what the other ninja said to her in regards to him saying he hopes he's a great guy and of course it had to be duck butt, but remember Sakura's first crush was Sasuke and I know for a fact that getting over your first crush is hard and it takes time, but eventually Sakura will get over her crush of Sasuke. Sakura does love Naruto, it's just I feel like she also feels guilty for the way she treated Naruto when she was younger and now that she sees Naruto for who he is, it's driven poor Sakura into a deep state of guilt and couple that with Naruto's rejection of her back in 470 probably doesn't help her cause, but make no mistake, this is more character development for Sakura and helps her to get over her crush of Sasuke even more.

But the main point of my message is to urge all NaruSaku fans to not give up hope just yet, we've come to far to lose this battle! There's been too much development for it to be thrown away, we just have to be patient like we always are and eventually it will all pay off for us. So I urge you to stay strong for our favorite couple and never give up! Because I sure as hell won't!"



Excellent post of yours, Toasty. Though I strongly believe that Sakura got over her romantic crush feelings sometime in the time-skip gap between Part 1 and Part 2 and fell in love (or started to fall in love) with Naruto at the beginning of Part 2. Which leaves me to believe that the Love Letter Ninja struck a nerve in Sakura causing her to reflect on her past crush on Sasuke and feel stupid for having such feelings in the past to begin with. Plus there's also the possibility that she feels guilty about how she treated Naruto in the past just like you (and other posters as well if I'm not mistaken) said.


Anyways I have a question that's non-pairing related. Does anybody think that Naruto's magic chakra form could somehow regenerate A's left arm? I mean it did cause trees to grow on Yamato's Wood Style, and considering all amazing abilities shown throughout this series it doesn't really seem all that implausible in my opinion.

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Posted 30 May 2011 - 03:45 PM

It irritates me that pepole suddenly started bashing Sakura more because of the panel. dry.gif

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Posted 30 May 2011 - 04:51 PM

QUOTE (Kuraudo @ May 30 2011, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kishi is like Itachi.

"You are still too weak. You aren't even worth bashing, foolish little NS members. If you want to dream come true, despise me, hate me, and live in an unsightly way... Pray, and cling to life, and then some day, when you realize the truth about this pairing like as I do, NaruSaku will do." biggrin.gif


xD that definitely was a good one haha
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Posted 30 May 2011 - 05:07 PM

QUOTE (Darth Krypt @ May 30 2011, 06:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am still surprised how some NS fans were very disappointed by one little panel of Sasuke. Where did all the reasons you supported NS go to? Its like you didn't really support NS in the first place if you allow this to doubt yourself and in extreme cases abandon ship and even worse bash Sakura. Are they really NS fans in the first place?


Just because some fans get a little bit worried over a scene, doesn't mean they aren't still NaruSaku fans. Everyone gets worried over things in life. Why try to point them out for it when they're just worrying a bit?

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Posted 30 May 2011 - 05:12 PM

QUOTE (ciardha @ May 28 2011, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, in reply to the comment that Sakura was lying about being in love with Naruto, he said "On the contrary I was portraying an honest and surprisingly determined girl." (I see the Sakura bashers are at it again with attempting to spin Kishimoto's words to not sound as definite... rolleyes.gif So yeah- real simple Kishimoto said Sakura was being 100% honest about being romantically in love with Naruto and believing she had eliminated even any remnant of any feelings she had for Sasuke, even the team mate bond


(Noticed his annoyed comments about the Sakura bashing letters that praised Hinata to the skies and how he mocked that has conveniently been forgotten by Sakura bashing fans too...)


Maybe your interpretation be correct. But it can also be a too excited way to look at things.

What Kishimoto said was that he wanted to portray an honest and determined girl. And if you observe, that is exactly what he does in the manga. I mean, the whole attitude of Sakura is determined and honest. She does not hesitate for even a second. Not even when Naruto accused her for lying to herself. She does not hesitate. However, we all know that she was not being completely honest. And that's makes her a girl "determined to be honest.", so to speak. And she was very successful.

Kishimoto do not says: She was being honest. He said he wanted to "portray" a determined and honest girl.

Had it not been for full and unconditional distrust of all characters. All readers have believed it.

I have urged in Brazilians forums that Naruto is a Shonen (with a tsundere romance) is not a Greek drama. Where the slave woman falls in love with her ​​rapist.

But in there exists a complete dismay, not only among NaruSaku, but especially among fans of Sakura.

In Brazil there is a forum with no less than 300 000 people.

And it became commonplace to call Sakura of "mulher de malandro".

Google translates it as "woman of a rogue". But there is not a literal translation. The closest would be "bandit's woman" I guess. But it's like that: the woman who is abused, mistreated. All the people knows that the guy sucks, even she, but she continues to love him.

The SasuSaku (showing how they are fans of Sakura) says: Yes, she's a suffering character and it's beautiful! What matters is that she loves Sasuke.

And boy, Kishimoto worked. Putting Sakura to suffer by Sasuke in this stage of the game... Enough! More of that and will be difficult to follow Naruto.

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Posted 30 May 2011 - 06:18 PM

QUOTE (Manara @ May 30 2011, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe your interpretation be correct. But it can also be a too excited way to look at things.

What Kishimoto said was that he wanted to portray an honest and determined girl. And if you observe, that is exactly what he does in the manga. I mean, the whole attitude of Sakura is determined and honest. She does not hesitate for even a second. Not even when Naruto accused her for lying to herself. She does not hesitate. However, we all know that she was not being completely honest. And that's makes her a girl "determined to be honest.", so to speak. And she was very successful.

Kishimoto do not says: She was being honest. He said he wanted to "portray" a determined and honest girl.

Had it not been for full and unconditional distrust of all characters. All readers have believed it.

I have urged in Brazilians forums that Naruto is a Shonen (with a tsundere romance) is not a Greek drama. Where the slave woman falls in love with her ​​rapist.

But in there exists a complete dismay, not only among NaruSaku, but especially among fans of Sakura.

In Brazil there is a forum with no less than 300 000 people.

And it became commonplace to call Sakura of "mulher de malandro".

Google translates it as "woman of a rogue". But there is not a literal translation. The closest would be "bandit's woman" I guess. But it's like that: the woman who is abused, mistreated. All the people knows that the guy sucks, even she, but she continues to love him.

The SasuSaku (showing how they are fans of Sakura) says: Yes, she's a suffering character and it's beautiful! What matters is that she loves Sasuke.

And boy, Kishimoto worked. Putting Sakura to suffer by Sasuke in this stage of the game... Enough! More of that and will be difficult to follow Naruto.

As a matter of female dignity.


wow what the hell is beautiful about her loving sasuke? are they delusionaL? i don't consider them Sakura fans if they agree with that. SS destroys her character makes her look selfish and weak. its just a shallow pairing all around with no real deep qualitys.

EDIT: the actually tranlastion was ''on the contrary.. i felt i depicted a honest girl with a surprisingly stubborn impression''.

she was being honest about her feelings for Naruto (its obvious you can see it in her actions, blush, hug and facial expressions etc.) but not about Sasuke. thats what made it go down hill.

Edited by Living Lavish, 30 May 2011 - 06:29 PM.


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Posted 30 May 2011 - 08:47 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ May 30 2011, 07:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, umm.... here comes a bit of an awkward question.... Bee said Tsunade's probably an "E". Jiraiya stated she's 106 cm. So.... is 106 cm around the "E" size???


Japanese Brassiere measurements, for the record Boa Hancock from One Piece is a "J"




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Posted 30 May 2011 - 09:29 PM

I hesitate to post this because so much of it is redundant after 20-some pages of great posts, but for my own sake I'd like to put my thoughts in writing. Apologies in advance, long post is long.

Yesterday I ran across a comment in another forum stating unequivocally that since Hinata's introduction in the manga it has been "clear" that Kishi's intended pairings are Naruto/Hinata and Sasuke/Sakura. It boggled my mind how a seemingly rational person could make such a definitive statement. However, in an attempt to be objective I took some time to think about it.

Is it possible Kishi intends Naruto/Hinata and Sasuke/Sakura as the final pairings? Yes, at the moment it's still possible. Until the final panel of the story is published, anything could happen. Technically. But in order for those pairings to make any sense from a story construction perspective, in my opinion Kishi would have to do a lot of work yet to make it even remotely believable.

There are just some things I can't ignore:

1. Sakura is a sensitive girl who has literally been in the middle, influenced by the personalities, emotions, and goals of both boys from the very beginning. It should be no surprise that she loves them both, and could be very confused by what those loves mean.

2. Kishi has painstakingly revealed Sakura's heart throughout the story, contrasting the form of her feelings for Sasuke with the substance of her feelings for Naruto. It's a very important distinction, and one that takes time for a young girl to resolve.

3. Sakura may feel love for both boys, but only her love for Naruto is real, based on an actual dynamic relationship, and reciprocated. She is not stupid. She knows the difference, and she chose to confess her love for Naruto in front of a serious gallery of witnesses, willing to commit herself to him if he accepted. That shouldn't be forgotten just because she has lingering confusion about Sasuke.

4. Sakura's dedication to Sasuke is a reflection of Naruto's own unwillingness to give up on him. The problem is, she has believed the source of her dedication to be romantic love, when in fact it began as a self-esteem issue that morphed into a teammate bond and a sense of friendship. She and Naruto are more on the same page regarding Sasuke than either one realizes, and neither has figured out how much their respective feelings for Sasuke have influenced the other. Which leads me to...

5. A key element of Naruto and Sakura's early bond was their affection for Sasuke. They have, separately and together, repeatedly vowed (in various forms) to return/save/restore him -- each making the vow with the other's feelings at heart. All without success. Since this shared motivation remains unresolved, maybe the point is that only through unification -- of heart, soul, and mind -- will Naruto and Sakura find the answer to reaching Sasuke...?

6. Naruto cares for Hinata as a person, as a ninja, as a Konoha villager, but there has not been one single hint that he feels romantic love for her. If he suddenly did, it would be a departure from Naruto's established personality -- not to mention a reversal of 540 chapters of carefully constructed plot. Naruto's heart could be changed in Hinata's favor, but I don't think Kishi has enough story left to manage it without betraying Naruto's character and sacrificing his credibility as a storyteller. Likewise, I don't see Sasuke becoming a hero of equal or greater value than Naruto -- redeemed such that he could realistically end up with Sakura. I have to believe that if Kishi had something like that planned, he wouldn't have called the story Naruto.

7. Kushina's request that Naruto find a girl like her, and the obvious parallels between Kushina and Sakura. What possible point could Kishi have had to include that if he didn't intend Naruto/Sakura?

8. Naruto loves Sakura, so much that it's at the expense of his own happiness. Unless I'm forgetting something, this fact is currently beyond debate.

9. Despite loving her, Naruto has inadvertently contributed to Sakura's romantic confusion by his own actions during the bench scene back in Chapter 3, and because he has not openly declared the sincerity and depth of his feelings for her since.

This is interesting if you think about it in the bigger picture. Declarations are a hallmark of Naruto's personality; he declares himself constantly, even when it's a smokescreen for his lack of confidence. Initial claims of super skill, his intention to become Hokage, his rivalry with Sasuke, his "never give up" nindo, his determination to bring Sasuke back, his dedication to peace and Jiraiya's quest, you name it. He can hardly open his mouth without making a declaration.

And yet when Sai asked Naruto if he'd ever declared himself to Sakura, Naruto said he couldn't because he hadn't kept his promise to her. Hmm...and now that promise has supposedly been voided. Did Naruto really accept that, or is he still on a collision course -- his nindo vs. his feelings for Sakura?

Sakura declared her love for Sasuke, Hinata declared her love for Naruto, Sakura then declared her love for Naruto, and Sasuke declared his love for revenge and murder. But so far Naruto -- the crown prince of declarations -- has not declared his love for Sakura. Kishi has to be holding this back for just the right moment. Naruto is a profoundly loving young man, earnest, sincere, and utterly persuasive. If/when he finally does make a real do-or-die play for Sakura, it'll be worth the wait.

10. So far, at least, Naruto's instincts have always been right. His unshakeable, selfless, and patient love for Sakura speaks volumes. As long as Naruto believes in her, we should believe in her, and rest in idea that Naruto will find a way to make everything work out.




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