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[sushi.]

I really don't have problems with his shipping sensibilities, even when I don't agree with them, but the suggestion that Mashima was only making NaLu canon because the fans pressured him triggered me both because it's baseless speculation and It reminded me of the arguments we NaruSaku fans still have over NaruHina since it's been indicated through evidence Kishimoto was likely harassed into making it happen. 

All the arguments you can basically throw back at him, but I wouldn't bother. Drink some hot chocolate instead

[Gravenimage]

Y'know, completely off-topic here but I have to rant a bit:   An online mate of mine starts discussing about Fairy Tail's upcoming finale in the manga and when the topic enters into NaLu, he claims that he "heard" Mashima was undecided about it but may give in to fan pressure to have it happen.  This kinda irked me, so I question him about his source, but he just replies that he "heard it somewhere".  Now, I've been following Mashima's interviews and like, and it comes off as absurd because Hiro has openly stated that Natsu and Lucy like each other and are the closest people in the Guild.   He came up with the name of their child, Nashi, in another interview and even encouraged the hug scene between them to be written in the first Fairy Tail movie.  Let alone the fact that he has made numerous illustrations depicting them as a couple on his Twitter pages.

 

I don't even have to point out how the manga makes it apparent from the beginning since Mashima does not screw around with establishing couples.

 

I have to laugh at the hypocrisy of this since I made similar comments to him in the past about NaruHina and its lackluster development, even providing links to the interviews that hinted that Kishimoto didn't want to go that direction but did so under duress either by editors or the fans.  He just brushes me off as an angry NaruSaku fan since he got what he wanted. 

 

It also doesn't help that the main reason he hates or plain doesn't like to acknowledge pairings like NaruSaku, IchiRuki, etc is because he has a general aversion against "Main lead pairings".  It doesn't matter if they are perfectly compatible or have well-developed relationship, he will dislike them on the basis that they are the mains.  That and he has a weakness to "nicer"girls, whom are usually side-characters, that he wants to hook with the main male character.

 

Anyway, thanks for allowing me to vent.

 

I doubt Mashima is suffering from the Kishimoto disease.

[BlueStarSaber]

That's the kittentiest thing I've heard today XD

 

I assume it's because it's cliché, putting mains together? He's not wrong but doing so makes it a lot easier to write. Just don't be mad and instead show him when NaLu becomes canon, it's pretty much evident. (Y)

 

Also in case he ships IchiHime, Orihime is the main female, together with Rukia lol.

Honestly I don't mind if Main characters get together. I know that it's cliche, been done to death and consider problematic because the female main character is reduced to a love interest to male character. Some of the reasons that are also used as to why people prefer non main character pairings such as Zutara, HarryxGinny and of course NaruHina; though I have also found these reasons to be quite double standards for it just makes the side characters reduced as the love interest, or in Naruhina case they want her to be the main heroine just so they can she is the love interest. But I honestly feel as long both character get enough development outside the romantic subplot I'm okay with it, like Karata who has her own goals of being a water bending master, had her own opponents to fight and had plenty of character interaction and relationships with the other main cast members and outside the main cast. 

You could also say that Orohime also at least has some character interactions and developments outside of Ichigo as well such as her friendship with Taski and Rangiku, her interactions ulquiorra and that she wanted to do 5 different careers (though this one might be poor example as she never did any of those).

[sushi.]

Honestly I don't mind if Main characters get together. I know that it's cliche, been done to death and consider problematic because the female main character is reduced to a love interest to male character. Some of the reasons that are also used as to why people prefer non main character pairings such as Zutara, HarryxGinny and of course NaruHina; though I have also found these reasons to be quite double standards for it just makes the side characters reduced as the love interest, or in Naruhina case they want her to be the main heroine just so they can she is the love interest. But I honestly feel as long both character get enough development outside the romantic subplot I'm okay with it, like Karata who has her own goals of being a water bending master, had her own opponents to fight and had plenty of character interaction and relationships with the other main cast members and outside the main cast. 

You could also say that Orohime also at least has some character interactions and developments outside of Ichigo as well such as her friendship with Taski and Rangiku, her interactions ulquiorra and that she wanted to do 5 different careers (though this one might be poor example as she never did any of those).

(I can't speak for HarryxGinny because I'm not a HP fan but I heard she had a much better role in the books)

 

But Zutara is much more of a main pairing than NH. Zuko and Katara are two of 5 main characters, even if they're not the protagonist. Hinata is a recurring character and she shares her importance with like 9 other people.

 

I think if you pair the main leads together it might prevent them from being reduced to love interests actually. Because they stand on their own. Even without the couple moments they're both main characters, but pair a very important character with one not so important, will make the latter only important when they're with the main character..

 

Honestly I don't think the male lead needs to be with the female lead, but considering there is often just one important female character, she's mostly the best choice to write as a love interest.

Edited by sushi., 11 March 2017 - 12:54 AM.

[Yyubie]

Y'know, completely off-topic here but I have to rant a bit:   An online mate of mine starts discussing about Fairy Tail's upcoming finale in the manga and when the topic enters into NaLu, he claims that he "heard" Mashima was undecided about it but may give in to fan pressure to have it happen.  This kinda irked me, so I question him about his source, but he just replies that he "heard it somewhere".  Now, I've been following Mashima's interviews and like, and it comes off as absurd because Hiro has openly stated that Natsu and Lucy like each other and are the closest people in the Guild.   He came up with the name of their child, Nashi, in another interview and even encouraged the hug scene between them to be written in the first Fairy Tail movie.  Let alone the fact that he has made numerous illustrations depicting them as a couple on his Twitter pages.

 

I don't even have to point out how the manga makes it apparent from the beginning since Mashima does not screw around with establishing couples.

 

I have to laugh at the hypocrisy of this since I made similar comments to him in the past about NaruHina and its lackluster development, even providing links to the interviews that hinted that Kishimoto didn't want to go that direction but did so under duress either by editors or the fans.  He just brushes me off as an angry NaruSaku fan since he got what he wanted. 

 

It also doesn't help that the main reason he hates or plain doesn't like to acknowledge pairings like NaruSaku, IchiRuki, etc is because he has a general aversion against "Main lead pairings".  It doesn't matter if they are perfectly compatible or have well-developed relationship, he will dislike them on the basis that they are the mains.  That and he has a weakness to "nicer"girls, whom are usually side-characters, that he wants to hook with the main male character.

 

Anyway, thanks for allowing me to vent.

Bold part .... sounds like self insert more than anything. He insert himself and dream to be the MC so he turn blind on anything else and its his choice to choose.

 

For me the thing that makes pairing cannon is their screentime together, their development together, parallel , hint , their moment together , basically time their spent together. Your friend disregard all of that and just because main character pairing is "Cliche" and he has weakness for nice girl .... that's just self insert.

 

Did he ship Natsu with Lisana ?? Natsu is homeless i don't remember he ever come to Lisana house, whenever he needs a place to stay where did he go ?? Is always to Lucy's house. Also the recent chapter where Lucy have to warm up Natsu body with her naked body i think that the same with NS CPR scene and its pretty much confirm Natsu gonna end with Lucy.

 

Even though NH is cannon they are weak and i believe they have zero value ... they have no color its like watching old CRT fat TV with no color ... everything about them is gray.... that's why no matter what lies they gonna use to convince / reinforce them it's not gonna work.

[sushi.]

Hinata isn't nicer than Sakura she's just inresponsive..has no opinions. Those boys just want a doll with boobs not a person.

[BlueStarSaber]

(I can't speak for HarryxGinny because I'm not a HP fan but I heard she had a much better role in the books)

 

But Zutara is much more of a main pairing than NH. Zuko and Katara are two of 5 main characters, even if they're not the protagonist. Hinata is a recurring character and she shares her importance with like 9 other people.

 

I think if you pair the main leads together it might prevent them from being reduced to love interests actually. Because they stand on their own. Even without the couple moments they're both main characters, but a ship with a very important character with one not so important will make the latter only important when they're with the main character..

 

Honestly I don't think the male lead needs to be with the female lead, but considering there is often just one important female character, she's mostly the best choice to write as a love interest.

Yeah she had a bit more focus such as when she started being a member with the DA being on of the top students.

 

Perhaps that was the wrong example to use Zutara, I suppose that ship would fit in more with the Main girl with bad boys, arch rival or other main male like SasuSaku. I could argue with Hinata though despite being apart K11 she is one of the less important recurring characters compare to Shikamaru, Rock Lee, Neji and the rest of team 10 given that she feels more of a set up character for the fight between Naruto and Neji.

Fair point I can see that with relationships like Percabeth, Hicctristd, Richard & Susan, Nalu and of course Narusaku as couple who's characters can stand on their own when the writers let them.

Same here I just think its an added bonus when it is, though I do find the one important female character in most series to be something of a problem though that's an entirely different discussion.

 

Bold part .... sounds like self insert more than anything. He insert himself and dream to be the MC so he turn blind on anything else and its his choice to choose.

 

For me the thing that makes pairing cannon is their screentime together, their development together, parallel , hint , their moment together , basically time their spent together. Your friend disregard all of that and just because main character pairing is "Cliche" and he has weakness for nice girl .... that's just self insert.

 

Did he ship Natsu with Lisana ?? Natsu is homeless i don't remember he ever come to Lisana house, whenever he needs a place to stay where did he go ?? Is always to Lucy's house. Also the recent chapter where Lucy have to warm up Natsu body with her naked body i think that the same with NS CPR scene and its pretty much confirm Natsu gonna end with Lucy.

 

Even though NH is cannon they are weak and i believe they have zero value ... they have no color its like watching old CRT fat TV with no color ... everything about them is gray.... that's why no matter what lies they gonna use to convince / reinforce them it's not gonna work.

 I believe Hiro only brought back Lisana because the someone important from the anime production asked him to, but he never really found a purpose for her outside of a few moments with her siblings.

[LuckyChi7]

Here is the biggest difference when it comes to Hinata and Lisanna..

 

 

With Hinata she didn't become an important person to Naruto until that retcon of the film known as the Last. The other thing is she'll get a spotlight and go back to square one,  you had pain fight then goes back to herself.. War arc spech then goes back to herself.. Confidence in talking to Naruto after Neji's death.. No progress. 

 

 

With Lisanna it was already established that she and Natsu had history together early on in the series so that's something to get behind. Plus the other thing to consider is Lisana isn't necessarily afraid to talk to him given that they both raised Happy together.

 

 

In terms of shipping I'd like for it to be NaLi,  but given how the pairings were handled in Rave Master I have no doubt that Natsu and Lucy will get together.  The big issue I have is that Hiro really didn't push her character forward especially her relationship with Natsu post Edloas given that they had history with one another.

 

 

Which is kinda one of the few reasons I don't really care all that much about the shippings in Fairy Tail because it's pretty obvious who will end up with who.  I know some of the other Natsu x Lisanna shippers still wanna hold onto hope, but I know Hiro's writing style pretty well in terms of pairings which is why I'm not as invested in the pairings mainly and especially that latest NaLu moment in this arc I feel it's just in your face where as in Rave Master the main pairing Haru x Ellie just feel so geniune and organic. 

 

 

That's just me though,  I'd actually wanna know the whole story as to why Hiro made the decision to bring Lisanna back and just do absolutely nothing with her character.. Oh well at the moment Natsu's ties to Zeref (not in terms of shipping) is something that's keeping me into the story aside from Acnologia. 

[sushi.]

Yeah she had a bit more focus such as when she started being a member with the DA being on of the top students.

 

Perhaps that was the wrong example to use Zutara, I suppose that ship would fit in more with the Main girl with bad boys, arch rival or other main male like SasuSaku. I could argue with Hinata though despite being apart K11 she is one of the less important recurring characters compare to Shikamaru, Rock Lee, Neji and the rest of team 10 given that she feels more of a set up character for the fight between Naruto and Neji.

Fair point I can see that with relationships like Percabeth, Hicctristd, Richard & Susan, Nalu and of course Narusaku as couple who's characters can stand on their own when the writers let them.

Same here I just think its an added bonus when it is, though I do find the one important female character in most series to be something of a problem though that's an entirely different discussion.

 

 I believe Hiro only brought back Lisana because the someone important from the anime production asked him to, but he never really found a purpose for her outside of a few moments with her siblings.

I think almost every cartoon/anime I can think of with more than 1 main female there is a love triangle, and the fandom wars are always heavy. In Geass there were 3 female leads and all of them were paired up with Lelouch.. I actually blame the writers for that one though, because they teased all of them. Usually I think it's just fandom nonsense, like with Lucy, Sakura, and even Iris from the Flash..people are just pairing the male lead with the second female because they don't like the first one.

 

The only series I can think of is Avatar I think, where TophxAang was not a serious shipping war. But the Zutara war was mad, however I don't that was different.

[Kagomaru]

Bold part .... sounds like self insert more than anything. He insert himself and dream to be the MC so he turn blind on anything else and its his choice to choose.

 

For me the thing that makes pairing cannon is their screentime together, their development together, parallel , hint , their moment together , basically time their spent together. Your friend disregard all of that and just because main character pairing is "Cliche" and he has weakness for nice girl .... that's just self insert.

 

Did he ship Natsu with Lisana ?? Natsu is homeless i don't remember he ever come to Lisana house, whenever he needs a place to stay where did he go ?? Is always to Lucy's house. Also the recent chapter where Lucy have to warm up Natsu body with her naked body i think that the same with NS CPR scene and its pretty much confirm Natsu gonna end with Lucy.

 

Even though NH is cannon they are weak and i believe they have zero value ... they have no color its like watching old CRT fat TV with no color ... everything about them is gray.... that's why no matter what lies they gonna use to convince / reinforce them it's not gonna work.

 

Nah, he personally doesn't like the idea of Natsu with anyone and is a Loke x Lucy fan.  But like all NH shippers, he fell in love with the concept of NaruHina, focused on that solely, and chooses not to see how disturbing Hinata's obsession and one-sided relationship with Naruto is. Or how dysfunctional they became as a family. Plus, he loved to inflate the most insignificant things about their scant interactions and screen time while downplaying all NaruSaku moments even before the last two chapters and The Last came out.

 

And I tune him out when he starts making excuses for Kishimoto to absolve any kind of criticism towards the final chapters of Naruto and Boruto.

 

As for character pairings, I agree with you completely. I don't care if the main hooks up with another main or side character as long as there is evident chemistry, build and attraction from both characters. None of that "Oh, this girl/boy has a crush on the main, the main should be obligated to return said-boy/girl's feelings even though their interaction - or lack thereof - have never hinted at such, or the main will look like a douchebag".  

 

God, I hate that load of kitten logic. 

Edited by Kagomaru, 11 March 2017 - 02:41 AM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Hinata isn't nicer than Sakura she's just inresponsive..has no opinions. Those boys just want a doll with boobs not a person.

Yeah, a lot of guys who claim to "hate" Sakura tend to be beta males who are afraid of women who actually have their own opinions, their own ambitions, don't "need" men to be "strong" (*looks at SAO girls*), can stand up for herself, can't be controlled, etc. and/or are hypocrites since I'm more than certain a lot of them like girls who are just as, if not more tsundere than Sakura is, like Louise from Zero no Tsukaima, Taiga from Toradora, Kagome from Inuyasha, etc.

Outside the computer, I openly admit that I'm a beta male. I'm not outgoing, a leader, dominant, (want to be) the center of attention, have big ambitions, etc., but it's really because of that that I actually prefer stronger, more open, friendly, etc. (taller is nice too and, of course, not controlling and such) girls like Sakura, Anko, Tenten, Konan, Kushina, and such - in terms of Naruto - that helps balance against me whereas Hinata, while physically pretty (not exactly "hot" or "sexy", IMO), would really, aside from the creepy stalker bits, just be boring in a relationship for me because she's essentially just a "yes man" doll. All I can imagine if we were on a date together would be really long periods of dead, awkward silence between us since I'm not good at starting conversations (at least unless I know there's something the other person and I both like) and Hinata is just not good at talking, period.

[BlueStarSaber]

Hinata isn't nicer than Sakura she's just inresponsive..has no opinions. Those boys just want a doll with boobs not a person.

 

Not to mention selfish. If recall correctly she was the only one among the K11 that said nothing during the discussion on what to do with Sasuke now that he was associated with akatsuki or when the Rookie nine had a reunion. Honestly the the obsession with Hinata's chest, along with the shallow reaction when the new artwork from the boruto manga had hinata's chest size much smaller than they are used to and the constant bashing of Sakura size in comparisons to Hinata to convince me that there isn't a misogyny problem in the Naruto community and the general anime/manga community at large when there clearly is when you see a fanbase like that.

 

Here is the biggest difference when it comes to Hinata and Lisanna..

 

 

With Hinata she didn't become an important person to Naruto until that retcon of the film known as the Last. The other thing is she'll get a spotlight and go back to square one,  you had pain fight then goes back to herself.. War arc spech then goes back to herself.. Confidence in talking to Naruto after Neji's death.. No progress. 

 

 

With Lisanna it was already established that she and Natsu had history together early on in the series so that's something to get behind. Plus the other thing to consider is Lisana isn't necessarily afraid to talk to him given that they both raised Happy together.

 

 

In terms of shipping I'd like for it to be NaLi,  but given how the pairings were handled in Rave Master I have no doubt that Natsu and Lucy will get together.  The big issue I have is that Hiro really didn't push her character forward especially her relationship with Natsu post Edloas given that they had history with one another.

 

 

Which is kinda one of the few reasons I don't really care all that much about the shippings in Fairy Tail because it's pretty obvious who will end up with who.  I know some of the other Natsu x Lisanna shippers still wanna hold onto hope, but I know Hiro's writing style pretty well in terms of pairings which is why I'm not as invested in the pairings mainly and especially that latest NaLu moment in this arc I feel it's just in your face where as in Rave Master the main pairing Haru x Ellie just feel so geniune and organic. 

 

 

That's just me though,  I'd actually wanna know the whole story as to why Hiro made the decision to bring Lisanna back and just do absolutely nothing with her character.. Oh well at the moment Natsu's ties to Zeref (not in terms of shipping) is something that's keeping me into the story aside from Acnologia. 

I believe she wasn't supposed to come back at all, I think ether Shinji Ishihira the anime director for Fairy Tail or the editors asked him to do this. Honestly if I was to do something with her in regards with Natsu I would of honestly done a sort of love triangle with her, Natsu and Lucy (now I know we hate shonen manga having love Love triangles given the disaster with Naruto's but hear me out). Given the context of the story we had with her return and followed with the guild S class trials and battle with Grimoire Heart, I would of first had her return be awkward for Natsu and Lucy given while Natsu is glad that Lisanna is back he has building feelings for Lucy now and doesn't know what to do and when Grimoire Heart attacks during the trial Mirajane and Elfman are killed during their battles against Azuma and Rustyrose leaving Lisanna devastated needing emotional support from Natsu. Natsu of course couldn't refuse and Lucy while wanting to be with Natsu feels it isn't right to intervene with Lisana given her current grief at the lost over her siblings so lets her and Natsu be, of course over time time Lisanna realise that Natsu has moved on from her and that he and Lucy have feelings for one another and that it is wrong for her to use her grief over her siblings death to keep Natsu close to her finally lets him go and tells him to be with Lucy if that what he really wants and she promises that she will try to move on as well.

Of Course that what I would of done feel free to disagree as you do prefer Nali and I'm sure you have you ideas on how Hiro could of developed the relationship.

[TheFirstEvil100]

Yeah, a lot of guys who claim to "hate" Sakura tend to be beta males who are afraid of women who actually have their own opinions, their own ambitions, don't "need" men to be "strong" (*looks at SAO girls*), can stand up for herself, can't be controlled, etc. and/or are hypocrites since I'm more than certain a lot of them like girls who are just as, if not more tsundere than Sakura is, like Louise from Zero no Tsukaima, Taiga from Toradora, Kagome from Inuyasha, etc.

Outside the computer, I openly admit that I'm a beta male. I'm not outgoing, a leader, dominant, (want to be) the center of attention, have big ambitions, etc., but it's really because of that that I actually prefer stronger, more open, friendly, etc. (taller is nice too and, of course, not controlling and such) girls like Sakura, Anko, Tenten, Konan, Kushina, and such - in terms of Naruto - that helps balance against me whereas Hinata, while physically pretty (not exactly "hot" or "sexy", IMO), would really, aside from the creepy stalker bits, just be boring in a relationship for me because she's essentially just a "yes man" doll. All I can imagine if we were on a date together would be really long periods of dead, awkward silence between us since I'm not good at starting conversations (at least unless I know there's something the other person and I both like) and Hinata is just not good at talking, period.

To be far man many people can't go out take me I have rheumatoid arthritis really badly I might add so I can't go out if I did I would be in pain from just walking, hell I'm 29 and I need a walking stick when I go out that's how bad it is, with girls I don't want them to be like Hinata as we all know what type they are.

[VanitasDS76491]

To be far man many people can't go out take me I have rheumatoid arthritis really badly I might add so I can't go out if I did I would be in pain from just walking, hell I'm 29 and I need a walking stick when I go out that's how bad it is, with girls I don't want them to be like Hinata as we all know what type they are.

Damn dude that's harsh hope it not failty.

[LuckyChi7]

 

Not to mention selfish. If recall correctly she was the only one among the K11 that said nothing during the discussion on what to do with Sasuke now that he was associated with akatsuki or when the Rookie nine had a reunion. Honestly the the obsession with Hinata's chest, along with the shallow reaction when the new artwork from the boruto manga had hinata's chest size much smaller than they are used to and the constant bashing of Sakura size in comparisons to Hinata to convince me that there isn't a misogyny problem in the Naruto community and the general anime/manga community at large when there clearly is when you see a fanbase like that.

 

I believe she wasn't supposed to come back at all, I think ether Shinji Ishihira the anime director for Fairy Tail or the editors asked him to do this. Honestly if I was to do something with her in regards with Natsu I would of honestly done a sort of love triangle with her, Natsu and Lucy (now I know we hate shonen manga having love Love triangles given the disaster with Naruto's but hear me out). Given the context of the story we had with her return and followed with the guild S class trials and battle with Grimoire Heart, I would of first had her return be awkward for Natsu and Lucy given while Natsu is glad that Lisanna is back he has building feelings for Lucy now and doesn't know what to do and when Grimoire Heart attacks during the trial Mirajane and Elfman are killed during their battles against Azuma and Rustyrose leaving Lisanna devastated needing emotional support from Natsu. Natsu of course couldn't refuse and Lucy while wanting to be with Natsu feels it isn't right to intervene with Lisana given her current grief at the lost over her siblings so lets her and Natsu be, of course over time time Lisanna realise that Natsu has moved on from her and that he and Lucy have feelings for one another and that it is wrong for her to use her grief over her siblings death to keep Natsu close to her finally lets him go and tells him to be with Lucy if that what he really wants and she promises that she will try to move on as well.

Of Course that what I would of done feel free to disagree as you do prefer Nali and I'm sure you have you ideas on how Hiro could of developed the relationship.

 

Actually I wouldn't really mind that.. I think that would've been a great way to tackle the NaLi pairing for Fairy Tail and show growth for Natsu, Lisanna, and Lucy as characters for the story and making NaLu feel more organic. 

 

 

I think in the canon story it just feels kinda weir that the whole Natsu xLisana subplot just faded into the background. I don't mind that Hiro's  going with NaLu, but just find a way to resolve it. 

 

 

As far as my idea on how NaLi would've been handled post Edolas, I've always had like a rough idea, but I would have things be awkward with the two of them not in terms of the fact that Lucy is in the picture, just in terms that for Natsu she's been dead for  2 years and how being alive is almost kinda surreal for her... I wouldn't even say push Lisanna to say I'll do anything, but have her think about what could've happened if she didn't go with Mira and Elfman that day maybe things wouldn't feel awkward.  In a sense make it so they have to rekindle their bond if you all. As far as romance goes I always kinda pictured it as like Lisanna almost on the verge of being beatten and Natsu vowing "Like I lost you once, and I'm not planning on loosing you again." It sounds a little cheesy, but I'd somehow incorporate that to spark the pairing forward. 

[LuckyChi7]

Thinking about it retrospect, 

 

Naruto groveling to the Hokage to pardon Sasuke should've been an instant red flag, where most of us should've said, "This series just became irredeemable."

 

 

 

I always felt that since that scene took place, the series would be taking a turn for the worst, but I guess I just didn't want to believe it would go down that route.

Edited by LuckyChi7, 12 March 2017 - 05:14 AM.

[Shadow1275]

Thinking about it retrospect, 

 

Naruto groveling to the Hokage to pardon Sasuke should've been an instant red flag, where most of us should've said, "This series just became irredeemable."

 

 

 

I always felt that since that scene took place, the series would be taking a turn for the worst, but I guess I just didn't want to believe it would go down that route.

Or the scene where he told the cloud ninja to beat him up instead. 

 

If Naruto wants to save Sasgay that's fine, but he needs to acknowledge the crimes that Sasuke committed. They're the fat elephant in the room that no one wants to acknowledge.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

So for those who have been watching Fuuka, was reading the Random Curiosity blog summary and comments for the latest episode....and there was this comment...

http://randomc.net/2...comment-2259521


...specifically the little bit in the spoiler...yeah...so I had to comment about it...


http://randomc.net/2...comment-2259537

Edited by HalfDemonInuyasha, 12 March 2017 - 05:56 AM.

[Yyubie]

So for those who have been watching Fuuka, was reading the Random Curiosity blog summary and comments for the latest episode....and there was this comment...

http://randomc.net/2...comment-2259521


...specifically the little bit in the spoiler...yeah...so I had to comment about it...


http://randomc.net/2...comment-2259537

If you read the manga i don't that's gonna matter at all ...

[VanitasDS76491]

Or the scene where he told the cloud ninja to beat him up instead. 
 
If Naruto wants to save Sasgay that's fine, but he needs to acknowledge the crimes that Sasuke committed. They're the fat elephant in the room that no one wants to acknowledge.

 
Ya that needed to happen but no naruto just ignores sasukes crimes. I mean seriously how people did sasuke kill? I mean just waiting for a scene like in civil war the movie where Tony gets confronted by one of the mother's of someone who was killed in age of ultron and calls him out on it. I want that to happen in naruto where the mother of someone who sasuke killed and they call naruto out for letting sasuke go and she punches him. Also I agreed with Sai during that where he said there's no need for you to get beat up for sasuke or something like that. In fact sai Is great cause even he points out how stupid naruto is and how obessed with sasuke he was.
 

Thinking about it retrospect, 
 
Naruto groveling to the Hokage to pardon Sasuke should've been an instant red flag, where most of us should've said, "This series just became irredeemable."
 
 
 
I always felt that since that scene took place, the series would be taking a turn for the worst, but I guess I just didn't want to believe it would go down that route.

It was the raikage he grovled to a save sasuke and I agree with the raikage sasuke was evil and need to be stopped and but no naruto can't get his man cursh on him. I sora is not that hung up on riku as the first game show in hollow bastion. Sasuke was not worth saving sure you have to kill him but you arrest him and be done with it and move on. That's where the series started to suck. Though I love how naruto and Sakura reacted to hearing sasuke was in the akatuski or when obito revealed what itachi really did and naruto's moaning how did it come this with sasuke and I'm like are you kittening kidding me they never though this would happen. Or after he defeat orochimaru naruto though sasuke would come back showing how much of a kittening idiot he is and still is.