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#43861 Yyubie

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 02:11 AM

When you think about it, Hinata's crush really doesn't have a solid basis to it at all. Admiring a person for their determination and seeing them as a sort of role model is one thing, but a crush?  If Hinata liked Naruto for other reasons like his kindness, goofiness, etc, then there would be more meat to it.  But honestly, it would've made just as much sense for her to fall for Rock Lee if iron-clad determination is all it takes to make her fall in love with someone.

It is explain when she try to save naruto from pein theres a flash back naruto save her from bullies when they were a kid .... i dont know if that flashback is cannon or filler ...


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 02:38 AM

It is explain when she try to save naruto from pein theres a flash back naruto save her from bullies when they were a kid .... i dont know if that flashback is cannon or filler ...

 

Not sure either, but it is a complete rip-off of Sakura being picked on by the girls in their class for her forehead, and then Ino coming along and scaring them off. It was just a cheap way of the 'writers/managers' trying to give Hinata a relatable/sympathetic background story. 



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Posted 02 March 2017 - 02:55 AM

It is explain when she try to save naruto from pein theres a flash back naruto save her from bullies when they were a kid .... i dont know if that flashback is cannon or filler ...


That flashback with hinata being bullied is filler cause I just reread the pain arc and it wasn't in there.

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 03:20 AM

It is explain when she try to save naruto from pein theres a flash back naruto save her from bullies when they were a kid .... i dont know if that flashback is cannon or filler ...

filler at it's finest.


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 03:25 AM

filler at it's finest.

Filler turned into canon. Fanfiction turned into canon. BS turned into canon.


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 03:27 AM

filler at it's finest.


Is it wrong want naruto to get a villain that's the joker combined with Simon Phoenix and op like acnologia and darkseid. One that naruto can't stop.

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 04:49 AM

I think it might be a weird plothole, her infatuation with Naruto went too far compared to how much she believed in him. If you know he never gives up you don't panic just because he fights a classmate..

I think it's also made to contrast Sakura's love for Naruto and highlight that it's more healthy than Hinata's. In the two scenes I was talking about, they react to Naruto's actions in opposite ways, just panels from eachother.

I'll agree with that, part 1 plays this beautifully showing that the one who truly believes in Naruto is Sakura. In fact I said as much in on of the other replies to you.

 

Honestly though it's a garbage plothole, there's still no reason for Hinata to even crush on Naruto. I hate SS even in Part 1 though I used to ship it, but it makes a bit more sense in part 1. Sakura likes Sasgay bc he has it all. The looks, the dark backstory, the skillz, etc. Not enough for love mind you but still lust and crush. But SS should have died after Part 1. Not remotely enough there to convince anyone that they actually loved each other.

When one looks at things, Hinata really doesn't like "Naruto", she likes her mentally idealized version of Naruto.

Just like how Sakura and other fangirls only liked their own mentally idealized version of Sasuke, "the last Uchiha" (some sort of dark, mysterious prince on a white horse who will come to their rescue, sweep them off their feet, and other fairy tale fantasies), but not liking, or even knowing, Sasuke the actual person.

However, whereas Sakura, at least initially, was moving on from Sasuke because she was made painfully aware that Sasuke the person was nothing like how she thought he was in her fantasy crush, Hinata never, ever moved on from that crush on her mentally idealized version of Naruto. Even as an "adult", she only sees that version of him despite Naruto himself proving he's not like that.

Agreed, but the manga says it was "true love"

 

The problem is once again why does Hinata even like Naruto in the beginning? Here's an easy fix, HAVE HER FALL IN LIKE WITH HIM AFTER HE DEFEATS NEJI. Then the whole It's my nindo too sounds a bit less cringey.

 

I think Sakura crushing on Sasgay is fine in part 1. I wouldn't even mind it if he reciprocated a bit and there was a serious romance there for a bit of flavoring. Both make sense and help set up Sasgay's Face heel turn better emphasizing how he is giving up everything for revenge. Then it makes more sense for Sakura to "love" him later on. 

 

It's just really obvious that there was a civil war in SJ over Naruto pairings, one chapter Sakura hates the Sausage and crushes on Naruto, another Chapter Naruto is holding Hinata's hand, then she is tripping on a rock.

 

Just so much wasted potential

 

When you think about it, Hinata's crush really doesn't have a solid basis to it at all. Admiring a person for their determination and seeing them as a sort of role model is one thing, but a crush?  If Hinata liked Naruto for other reasons like his kindness, goofiness, etc, then there would be more meat to it.  But honestly, it would've made just as much sense for her to fall for Rock Lee if iron-clad determination is all it takes to make her fall in love with someone.

That's why I say if you really want to go the NH route have her ignore him at first then fall for him after he defeats Neji in part 1. It gives a reasonable explanation for the Nindo admiration thing and adds a personal touch to what should be the beginning of the romance. Let me take a trip down memory lane and give an example:

 

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This is an excellent example of how to start a romance. The connection is cemented when Naruto points out that he likes Sakura bc they both want acknowledgement. The personal emotional touch is there bc we sympathize with his kindness as he says he loves her forehead which she hates. And to top it off, later on Sakura comes to appreciate him a bit more after getting called out by Sausage. 

 

That's what NH lacks, and why it's so popular. No effort needed, as long as you say you'll never give up you win the kittens. In other words talk kitten even if you can't back it up and you win. Weeaboos love that crap.


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 09:38 AM

It is explain when she try to save naruto from pein theres a flash back naruto save her from bullies when they were a kid .... i dont know if that flashback is cannon or filler ...

Filler. Not mentioned in the manga.



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Posted 02 March 2017 - 12:42 PM

JUST Like what 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999% of what NH fans use as evidence of NH's romantic moments :lmao:  


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Posted 03 March 2017 - 03:17 AM

does anyone know how to send letters to Kishi? I have the urge to send him a long ass letter.


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Posted 04 March 2017 - 12:10 AM

he'll probably not read it. dude doesn't care.



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Posted 04 March 2017 - 12:41 AM

does anyone know how to send letters to Kishi? I have the urge to send him a long ass letter.

 

Don't waste your time he won't read it.


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Posted 04 March 2017 - 04:53 AM

He won't read it, especially if it isn't translated to Japanese.


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 01:21 AM

Ah man I  feel so bad for this dude,  he took a pause from Naruto (the anime) and decided to binge through it now that the canon story is done, and I think we all know what that feeling's like... 

 

Here is what he said: 

 

 

I just returned to Naruto since I had a 3 years pause and binge watched everything since the war. I cannot believe that Sakura x Sasuke happend. Sakura as in character development to end up with Sasuke was the biggest WTF I could think of. They had no real interaction, no real talking, nothing. Even a fcking rock deserves more romance with Sakura than Sasuke. As for Hinata and Naruto, one sided obsession from the worst character ever Hinata. The movie The Last was just cringe all the time. Just my opinion, would like to hear some contras. R.I.P Neji, you have died for this BS P.S. Neji coming to life and killing everyone has more sense than those relationships.

 

 

 

 

btw here is the link: https://www.reddit.c...romance_really/


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 04:44 AM

Ah man I  feel so bad for this dude,  he took a pause from Naruto (the anime) and decided to binge through it now that the canon story is done, and I think we all know what that feeling's like... 

 

Here is what he said: 

 

 

I just returned to Naruto since I had a 3 years pause and binge watched everything since the war. I cannot believe that Sakura x Sasuke happend. Sakura as in character development to end up with Sasuke was the biggest WTF I could think of. They had no real interaction, no real talking, nothing. Even a fcking rock deserves more romance with Sakura than Sasuke. As for Hinata and Naruto, one sided obsession from the worst character ever Hinata. The movie The Last was just cringe all the time. Just my opinion, would like to hear some contras. R.I.P Neji, you have died for this BS P.S. Neji coming to life and killing everyone has more sense than those relationships.

 

 

 

 

btw here is the link: https://www.reddit.c...romance_really/

 

Reading from the comments of the site they all agreed with his opinion.


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 04:46 AM

 

Reading from the comments of the site they all agreed with his opinion.

Really?


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 04:48 AM

Really?

 

It's true. 


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 05:07 AM

 

It's true. 

Like what? I'm afraid to look cause there might a stupid NH/SS fan and everytime I hear them talk it pisses me off. 


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Posted 08 March 2017 - 07:21 AM

Like what? I'm afraid to look cause there might a stupid NH/SS fan and everytime I hear them talk it pisses me off. 

 

 

 

Here is an example:  

 

Romance is just the cringiest thing to me in this manga unless there's no attention drawn to it like Kurenai and Asuma or Temari and Shikamaru. Sakura annoys me, Ino triggered me when she was bawling over the Leaf's decision to kill Sasuke (kitten, has he said one word to you to establish any kind of potential relationship for you to be crying like that?) to whatever the Last was. If you were just going to use Toneri and the threat of a falling moon and kidnapped sister to bring Hinata and Naruto together, why the hell did he feel the need to kill Neji? Just so they can hold hands during WAR?

 

 

 

A second example : 

 

NH - i still think Kishi lost big time to make Naruto forgot Hinata's confession (and her existence) after Pain's arc. Tbh i can see the development that Kishi tried to put into this pairing and i dont have much problem to imagine how they got together after war considering they did had big moment in the war but... The last is a total kitten. Made all the little developments and moments they had in canon manga worthless. Neji died for nothing since Naruto still didnt care about Hinata after the war until the kitten genjutsu happened. All the unnecessary childhood scenes added to show that they were made for each other from the beginning were just really unnecessary...

Tl;dr : the last turned me off from this ship and i dont know how any shippers can love the last considering all the kitten in this movie.

SS - they are better off without each other and honestly if Sasuke isnt Narsexual that im 100% sure he's aromantic person. I wish Sakura can also see all the things Naruto did for her in the genjutsu trap because she realising her feelings towards Naruto after that is better than Naruto suddenly so in love in Hinata smh. Anyways regarding SS, tho i dont ship them, i can see why it happened. Probably will make a separate post later cause too long to write on here.

Tl;dr : NS is a better option so my man Sasuke can be free tho i think we all can agree that SNS is the otp of life.

 

Third example: 

 

Hinata was for me always the worst, unrealistic and redundant character. Always creeping, never able to say something to Naruto and boom out of nowhere a movie for here in which she is some special Princess and gets tones of linked flashbacks aka signals with Naruto that they should be together... I always liked Sakura, because after those kitteny moments in the past she made some progress. The moment that comes to my mind is saving Naruto' life with making his heart beat with her hand after he had Kurama extracted. But after this with Sasuke straight to zero.

 

 

Final one: 

 

I'll give you this  The Last was too cringey and I get mad about thinking it since it was the last actual Naruto movie so it should have been better than what it is and IMO Kishi forced naruhina since he admitted that he isn't good at writing romance P. S. rip Neji died for naruhina to

 

 

 

 

These comments were all from the link too. 


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