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[naruto-z]

All right, I'm sorry, but I'm gonna take away from the Harry Potter stuff with this question? How would you guys feel if Sakura was the one that killed Sasuke instead of Naruto (got the question from a detail in a so-so fanfiction), if the dude can not be saved in anyway shape or form?

It's not necessarily about narusaku but more like it would just take away from the story. Everybody would feel cheated and it is not at all realistic. Not to be mean to Sakura, but it just isn't realistic for Sakura to take out Sasuke. Then Sakura might as well be the destined child that saves the world from Madara and creates world peace.

[Anguyen92]

^^ All right, fair enough, arggggg, I just wished something, anything, that might tip the scales on narusaku would happen in the next chapter or the chapter after that. I mean it's been a while and they're in a war and stuff, but still. Maybe I'm being selfish about it.

Edited by anguyen92, 29 June 2011 - 02:52 PM.

[Phantom_999]

I dunno. I guess that would actually be tragic if Sakura killed Sasuke and the outcome would definitely suck. *Sigh* Okay guys the way I see it, it could have gone either way with Harry and Hermione or Ron and Hermione they've both had development and they both had chemistry. There HAVE been special moments with Harry and Hermione as well ,so it not impossible that Rowling considered them too. I'm betting that Rowling partially AND I REPEAT PARTIALLY lumped Harry with Ginny was because she otherwise could not think of another wife for Ron (I only say this is a possibility other wise those more psychotic NH fans will use the argument against us ). And REMEMBER this is a western story. You guys keep bringing up about how western romances are about a girl that likes a guy she thinks is unobtainable and likes him so much that she is too shy and coy to even confess to said guy but still gets with him in the end to explain NH fans' obsession with their shipping, didn't you? Harry Potter isn't a manga nor was it though up by an eastern author, just pointing that out

Edited by Phantom_999, 01 July 2011 - 12:23 AM.

[pharix]

now that Sasuke knows that Sakura is after him he won't let her get close enough..

[bthug]

Do u think sasuke will actually attack the hidden leaf, I mean if he attacks by himself I think he would get his ass kicked, unless Naruto calls everyone off. And what would Naruto do, he said he would fight him if sasuke attacks the village.

[Super Boom]

Do u think sasuke will actually attack the hidden leaf, I mean if he attacks by himself I think he would get his ass kicked, unless Naruto calls everyone off. And what would Naruto do, he said he would fight him if sasuke attacks the village.

Considering how Sasuke now has EMS, I think it's safe to say most Konoha nin wouldn't stand a chance against him. We haven't seen him fight yet, but I'm guessing he's going to be at same rough level Naruto is now with RS mode, considering the two are destined to fight. In any case, I doubt he's going to invade Konoha unless the war takes them there for some reason. And considering Konoha was already a battlefield during the Pein Invasion, I feel like it'd be pretty lame to have the exact same thing happen a few arcs later.

[CloudMountainJuror]

Never gonna happen. Unless you want Naruto to hate Sakura. If that happens I think NS will be ruined. Who would go for the girl who killed someone you're trying to save desperately?

He's trying to save Sasuke for Sakura. Not for himself.

[Greed-Sama]

He's trying to save Sasuke for Sakura. Not for himself.

I think that's false. Otherwise he wouldn't be going about this after she "relieved" him from his POAL. Naruto wants to save Sasuke or "die together"

[CloudMountainJuror]

I think that's false. Otherwise he wouldn't be going about this after she "relieved" him from his POAL. Naruto wants to save Sasuke or "die together"

I don't think that he believes she relieved him of the PoaL. He thought that she was lying; that's how I took it, anyways.

[catsi563]

No he believed her in as far as she was giving up on the Promise. However he himself has not given up on the promise he made to himself that he would save Sasuke. He holds firm to that belief that if he cant even save one friend from darkness how can he save anyone.

this has moved past hokagedom and the promise now. This is about his ability to save people from the darkness of their hearts. thats where the true battle will be fought for Naruto. it was emphasized more so in this latest chapter.

[CloudMountainJuror]

No he believed her in as far as she was giving up on the Promise. However he himself has not given up on the promise he made to himself that he would save Sasuke. He holds firm to that belief that if he cant even save one friend from darkness how can he save anyone.

this has moved past hokagedom and the promise now. This is about his ability to save people from the darkness of their hearts. thats where the true battle will be fought for Naruto. it was emphasized more so in this latest chapter.

Which reminds me of this latest chapter that really ticked me off... They said that Madara was "fueling" Sasuke's hatred when he was doing nothing of the sort. All Madara did was tell Sasuke the truth about Itachi; every decision after that has been Sasuke's and Sasuke's alone.

[catsi563]

he was and is fueling his hatred though in a way. Its the equivalent of throwing some twigs on the fire so to speak. It doesnt make the fire but it sure helps keep it hot.

Sasuke made his choices yes you're right. but Madaras keeping him going in such a fashion that Sasuke is feeding off that fuel.

basically as long as Madara keeps whispering in his ear so to speak Sasuke well keep choosing hatred.

[CloudMountainJuror]

he was and is fueling his hatred though in a way. Its the equivalent of throwing some twigs on the fire so to speak. It doesnt make the fire but it sure helps keep it hot.

Sasuke made his choices yes you're right. but Madaras keeping him going in such a fashion that Sasuke is feeding off that fuel.

basically as long as Madara keeps whispering in his ear so to speak Sasuke well keep choosing hatred.

I think it's obvious that Sasuke will keep choosing hatred regardless of whether Madara is "whispering in his ear" or not. What are some examples of Madara influencing and fueling his hatred?

[pharix]

Which reminds me of this latest chapter that really ticked me off... They said that Madara was "fueling" Sasuke's hatred when he was doing nothing of the sort. All Madara did was tell Sasuke the truth about Itachi; every decision after that has been Sasuke's and Sasuke's alone.

but he lied about bringing out the Kyuubi which was the reason for the mistrust of the Uchiha in the first place

[Phantom_999]

EXACTLY.......

[CloudMountainJuror]

but he lied about bringing out the Kyuubi which was the reason for the mistrust of the Uchiha in the first place

What are you talking about?

[Super Boom]

What are you talking about?

I think he means this scene. Madara claimed the Uchiha had nothing to do with the attack, as it was a natural disaster. Although he wasn't part of the Uchiha clan at the time, in Kushina's flashback, we see that Madara was directly involved in the attack. Plus he was definitely lying about it being a natural disaster.
So although Sasuke knows most of the truth, which led him to make his misguided decisions, Madara isn't entirely blameless. I'd say Sasuke's current state is 20% Madara's fault, 80% Sasuke's.

[Paptala]

Since we are talking about Toriyama... in one of the last volumes of Dr. Slump (Toriyama's first sucessful and popular series), he mentions he doesn't like writing romance but his editor did, so he was forced to pair up several characters (he didn't force Toriyama to switch pairings. Toriyama had not planned pair them up at all. So getting them together didn't alter his plotline at all)... And another editor was bugging him about get Son Goku and Bulma together (Toriyama wrote these lines right when he was starting Dragon Ball) even though he strongly disliked the idea (and how you can see, his editor couldn't force him to change his story).

So it explains why romantic couples have barely any build-up and development in Toriyama's mangas. He doesn't feel comfortable doing it, so it only happens.

I agree - I was just basically saying that even though other stories has the hero end up with a girl he barely knows and has had incredibly little development with, they never had the hero actively in love with someone else for the entirety of the manga - that's what makes it different from the other cases.

I think he means this scene. Madara claimed the Uchiha had nothing to do with the attack, as it was a natural disaster. Although he wasn't part of the Uchiha clan at the time, in Kushina's flashback, we see that Madara was directly involved in the attack. Plus he was definitely lying about it being a natural disaster.
So although Sasuke knows most of the truth, which led him to make his misguided decisions, Madara isn't entirely blameless. I'd say Sasuke's current state is 20% Madara's fault, 80% Sasuke's.

Very true - well worded as always Boom. :-)

Edited by Paptala, 29 June 2011 - 11:52 PM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

I think he means this scene. Madara claimed the Uchiha had nothing to do with the attack, as it was a natural disaster. Although he wasn't part of the Uchiha clan at the time, in Kushina's flashback, we see that Madara was directly involved in the attack. Plus he was definitely lying about it being a natural disaster.
So although Sasuke knows most of the truth, which led him to make his misguided decisions, Madara isn't entirely blameless. I'd say Sasuke's current state is 20% Madara's fault, 80% Sasuke's.

Hm... Ok, I understand. I can agree with that. Still, the majority is Sasuke's fault.

[ciardha]

Madara directed Sasuke's hate. Once Itachi was dead, he would have had no more direct target for his hate- other than Madara- who Itachi told Sasuke was involved in the massacre.

He had vaguely decided he hated Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi, but working with Taka had actually temporarily shifted that hatred away- we see he actually smiles when he sees the "Great Naruto Bridge" in the Land of Waves, and even as late as when Taka fights Bee, he has a fond flashback to learning teamwork in Team 7.

Madara directs Sasuke's hate to become someone that would treat the team he formed (that he had just shortly before valued enough to severely injure himself to save them -when they fought Bee) as tools to use, abandon and coldly mortally injure.