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[rocci]

@ns4life3g:
Lol i think it's too much for kishi to make because fan service like boob flash or panty shoot, instead we got narusasu first kiss, saisasu henge fan service, and even if it's not enough we get homoerotic in part two especially hashimada broke back mountain. Kishi should learn to kubo or fairytail author.

@sushi:
Agree :):

[TouKen4Life3g]

@ns4life3g:
Lol i think it's too much for kishi to make because fan service like boob flash or panty shoot, instead we got narusasu first kiss, saisasu henge fan service, and even if it's not enough we get homoerotic in part two especially hashimada broke back mountain. Kishi should learn to kubo or fairytail author.

@sushi:
Agree :):

Well to be fair, I think he did a good amount for both, though more to yaoi. I don't mind, I saw LOTR movies. Lol. I kid. But seriously, it's a good amount, so I am not that bothered, though I admit, I always felt like Konan was a missed opportunity. I remember the sketch picture of her without cloak and people went all tex avery wolf on it. Sadly, it never happened. Go figure. Anyway, it's good amount for both. Fairy Tail got too carry away to the point they even made a joke with "giant". Bleach is fine, though what's with multiple characters large boobs. Even that villain happened to have one. I remember KHR did went this route for whatever reason. Ah well. I guess FMA is the only one that I am solid with.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 22 July 2013 - 11:40 PM.

[Sojobo]

Yeah, I liked Sakura right from the beginning and liked her even more when I saw that she was normal compared to her peers and lacked fighting prowess. I love that she didn't like the main right away and actually warmed up to him throughout all of the story. I love that she's relatable in many ways.

Of course, I had another view of her in part 2, and I end up interpretate part 1 Sakura differently.

Yeah, it's nice to see that she doesn't fall in love at first sight with Naruto, I love the way Kishimoto is developping their relationship.

 

But to me, Naruto's love is the most interesting. I like the way he suffers from it, knows that he has no chances, but still, try to do the only things he can do to get her smile, that he loves so much, back. That fake smile during the promise of a lifetime, that sad face when Karui is asking what Sasuke really is to her...

 

I will not say that NH isn't developped, they have a lot of developpement recently, but NaruSaku is the one I prefered, and definitly the most devellopped pairing in the entire series.

 

Now we'll see how Sakura will get rid of her feelings for Sasuke. To me, her feelings for him can't be real love. I mean :

 

When you're really in love with someone, you don't ask yourself what you feel about other boys.

Opposite fandom usually use that argument of "Sakura loves Sasuke, she didn't gave up until now, so she will never love Naruto".

I say, if she really was in love ith him, how the hell can she even ask herself about the nature of her feelings for another guy, if she already love someone else?

Woudn't be your feelings clear enough about other guys, when you're already in love?

 

If Sakura ask herself about her feelings for Naruto, while loving Sasuke at the same time, this means that she doesn't love her the most.

I search in the whole manga, and I didn't find Sakura finding an answer about her ambiguis feelings for Naruto.

We're at chapter 640 right now, why the hell Kishi would choose that moment whe we're near to the climax of the story?

Because this moment will be canon. That's what I think, and that's what it seems to be in the end.

 

If Kishimoto's intentions where to not make a NaruSaku paring, he would have gave us Sakura's answer a long time ago.

Minato's troll just confirms that I'm right.

Edited by Sojobo, 22 July 2013 - 11:51 PM.

[StriderC]

Of course, I had another view of her in part 2, and I end up interpretate part 1 Sakura differently.

Yeah, it's nice to see that she doesn't fall in love at first sight with Naruto, I love the way Kishimoto is developping their relationship.

 

But to me, Naruto's love is the most interesting. I like the way he suffers from it, knows that he has no chances, but still, try to do the only things he can do to get her smile, that he loves so much, back. That fake smile during the promise of a lifetime, that sad face when Karui is asking what Sasuke really is to her...

 

I will not say that NH isn't developped, they have a lot of developpement recently, but NaruSaku is the one I prefered, and definitly the most devellopped pairing in the entire series.

 

Now we'll see how Sakura will get rid of her feelings for Sasuke. To me, her feelings for him can't be real love. I mean :

 

When you're really in love with someone, you don't ask yourself what you feel about other boys.

Opposite fandom usually use that argument of "Sakura loves Sasuke, she didn't gave up until now, so she will never love Naruto".

I say, if she really was in love ith him, how the hell can she even ask herself about the nature of her feelings for another guy, if she already love someone else?

Woudn't be your feelings clear enough about other guys, when you're already in love?

 

If Sakura ask herself about her feelings for Naruto, while loving Sasuke at the same time, this means that she doesn't love her the most.

I search in the whole manga, and I didn't find Sakura finding an answer about her ambiguis feelings for Naruto.

We're at chapter 640 right now, why the hell Kishi would choose that moment whe we're near to the climax of the story?

Because this moment will be canon. That's what I think, and that's what it seems to be in the end.

 

If Kishimoto's intentions where to not make a NaruSaku paring, he would have gave us Sakura's answer a long time ago.

Minato's troll just confirms that I'm right.

Their whole relationship is what really does it for me. I mean, while their interactions were nice and good in part 1, they only got better in Part 2. I feel like Naruto shielded himself a bit in part 2 and became a bit more clueless. This is evident when Sakura cries for him but he thinks its for Gaara. Little stuff like that. Overall, their progression over the course of theanga is what grabbed me most. The lengths Naruto went for her in his fight with Gaara. The way he handled his feelings when in the hospital. This is what made me root for them along with Sakura finding out how he saved her from Gaara and her response to the PoAL. The fact that hos dream matters to her. All of that was in Part 1. Kishi did an amazing job bringing them to where they are now which is close to being official. 

[Canadian_DJ]

Hinata is overrated,  never saw a secondary character having so much credits by the readers.
I don't hate the character, I just find that we're giving her to much credits.
 
The character only exist when Naruto is around. Kishi never gave a kitten about her when he was developping Hyuuga story, it was all but Neji.
Naruto, Naruto, Naruto, Naruto and Naruto... even in the last chapter where every rookie is showing there power ups, Hinata again, is thinking about Naruto.
And again, a lot of people are so excited about that.
 
I mean, I like NaruSaku a lot, but I don't like Naruto and Sakura because of NaruSaku.
I'm a Naruto fan, not a Sakura fan, but I like Sakura, because of her link with team 7, her fight again Akatsuki Sasori, the fact she's not special, and even if she doesn't come from a special Clan with Kekkei Genkai, she can match with Naruto and Sasuke, and surpass even Tsunade.
 
Sakura is much more developped. I didn't like her in part one, because of her obsession for Sasuke, but in part 2, she became a more serious character, and she became stronger.
 
I really don't understand why Hinata is much more popular, when Sakura makes a better character in all the aspects.
Anyway, I agree with the guys who says that chapter 631 ends NH for good.
Naruto just friendzoned her, I don't know if she knows that he's in love with Sakura, but I hope she will realize it soon, cause, she really looks pathetic in chapter 633.
 
Minato just confirmed what we NaruSaku fans were saying all the time about Kushina parallel and her words about "finding someone like your mother".
If you don't admit that this is foreshadowing NaruSaku, than, your analys skills are poor.
 
Of course, NaruSaku will decieve a lot of fans, like Tobito, but, that's the way Kishimoto always wanted to be, we should respect his decision.
 
Anyway, do you think that the fact that Juubito and Sasuke made Naruto their target, is a good opportunity to devellop NaruSaku?
I mean, I didn't give up about a possible death of Naruto, wich can be a good lesson for Sakura, and help her realize her feelings because of the strong pain in her heart.
 
Anyway, can't wait about that. Hope NaruSaku happens before final fight against final vilain Sasuke/Taka, so that I can appreciate those final moments without thinking anymore about NaruSaku. ^^

wow this post has so much win!

about hinatas popularity. Actually, if you look at the polls, not only that but the naruto advertisments and products and posters, you'll know that hinata isnt popular compared to the top ten naruto characters (my sig has them listed) which obviously means sakura is a thousand times more popular than hinata in japan. and so are many other characters. Its just the some of the westerners that are puting her on such a pedestal for no reason. I go to many japanese naruto sites and havent seen any of the kitten i see from the western fanbase, thats why i dont go to any naruto sites except for this site. I've said it a ton of times and ill say it again; the japanese dont give a flying rats ass about hinata since she's irrelevent, so why should we? simple answer; we shouldnt, since kishimoto clearly doesnt and never did give a rats ass about hinata since he never developed her, and never will.

[Canadian_DJ]

Yeah, I liked Sakura right from the beginning and liked her even more when I saw that she was normal compared to her peers and lacked fighting prowess. I love that she didn't like the main right away and actually warmed up to him throughout all of the story. I love that she's relatable in many ways.

yeah me too, i've always liked her and never once thought anything negative towards her. Not even my brothers and sisters for the matter. Sakura already has a good background explained by kishimoto, and it was perfect. Shes a normal girl so nothing really tragic. Take winry for example from FMA broterhood, winry didnt have such a tragic background, and yet shes a good heroine. I read alot of japanese posts from japanese naruto sites, and havent read anything negarive towards sakura during her part 1 appearance. Sakura is the heroine and thats what they consider her naturally, nothing negative like the negativity here. And yeah, I like sakura not cuz of NS but because of her developent and shes a great heroine. So many awesome reasons but we all knw what they are. Same goes for naruto, i like him because of him and his development. After that i realized that they're the pair.

[ALESSE]

"after the war"
What do you think this means? If they truly do defeat Obito and Madara once and for all then won't there be a moment of immense celebration and relief. Or will they only have a partial win resulting in a temporary moment of calm before the impending storm? Depending on which it is we may or may not have time for more narusaku development.

Actually, I don't think there will be that much of a celebration. I do see. Huge sigh of relief from everyone. But towards the end of juubito and MadaraIt's role I see sasuke some how becoming the main antagonist.( not really a bady, but something like a crazy anti hero, with the wrong idealistics.)

It has to go to the wire with naruto and sasuke with things transitioning into that as if its just a continuation of the current ark just more of like the passing of the torch.

Sasuke will be some how influenced by madara or juubito if he ever becomes normal, and he is gonna do something insane. Probably has to do with the scroll that aqualad and the beast boy found(juugo). The did say that they could rule the world with it. Wonder what it is.

But I do see a lil relief time in between. I mean naruto can't go into the next fight without a new set of clothes. His current pair are trashed. And they have to develop the characters one more time and solidify there resolves.

Well that was long. Sorry for the bad grammer. Wrote this whole driving in massive traffic.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know, I got to give credit to Kishimoto for not focusing too heavily on romance. I realized when an author does so, it can make the series annoying or at least the character get effected by it. I know romance sells, but you got to keep it in the minimum before it becomes a pedestal factor. Sometimes, I dislike how one girl feels like she's the best for having two or more guys fighting her and never really solve the love shape herself and let the damage deal with guys hurting each other.

 

Lastly, the one I oddly enough dislike is when a guy goes to the phase of being an kitten. You get this a lot in live shows and it always annoys me. How does it work, well allow me. It's when the guy gets dumped or at least couldn't score the big one. Imagine Naruto was told by Sakura to save Sasuke and he does it with a promise. Once he's done, he starts getting drunk and become an kitten to Sakura. I hate this phase and I understand we can be depressed after getting dump or whatever, but why create this scene to make us say, "You know, you should date him because he's being too heartbroken," where as it's reversed for me. I dislike how the girl gets back to him and then he's like the happiest guy because it begs the question, was it pity or something. A guy should take it in and don't stress hard on it because you can still keep that feeling but never pedestal it because it will make you an ugly man, the irony of it all. Know how to balance it off and know what a woman wants you to learn from your experience. You get this scene a lot and at times, the guy do apologize but again, get over it.

 

So yeah, kudos to Kishi. Dammit...

[Kakashi-Sensei]

I heard a rumor that Hinata could die in the next few chapters 

 

I wonder what this is all about , maybe its just a fan art

[arian_rad]

I heard a rumor that Hinata could die in the next few chapters 
 

I wonder what this is all about , maybe its just a fan art

It's just fanart. Absolutely no point in her character dying at this point. One hyuuga already died which should have led to her growth so it wouldn't make sense to kill her off. If anyone will die in tho war or after that will have an impact will be sasuke in my opinion. It provides great and final growth for naruto and sakura to end off the series.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's just fanart. Absolutely no point in her character dying at this point. One hyuuga already died which should have led to her growth so it wouldn't make sense to kill her off. If anyone will die in tho war or after that will have an impact will be sasuke in my opinion. It provides great and final growth for naruto and sakura to end off the series.

Good point. I think the closest we get is attempted kill on important characters.

[Branden]

If anyone is going to die it will be Lee or Gai using the 8th gate.

[TouKen4Life3g]

If anyone is going to die it will be Lee or Gai using the 8th gate.

Gai if anyone. Boy Kakashi will have a hard time with this. No Naruto, I can see Kakashi go "One mind, one body!" If you get the reference, then you'll know.

[Branden]

Regardless I don't see any reason for Hinata dying. I mean it's possible that she dies trying to save Naruto or something but that would just be the same thing in her confession so it's completely pointless.

 

If you don't like Hinata that's fine but trying to make up some kind of situation where she dies is somewhat pointless.

[Dkey]

On a side note I convinced my girlfriend to watch RTN ( seriously there really is a lack of good movies recently). She doesn't know anything about Naruto, didn't see any episode or read any manga and I made a point of trying not to explain anything about the characters unless she asked me, but during the Sakura Memna fight she asked me if Sakura loves Naruto.

 

Do you think that Hinata will try to shield Naruto again? I for one see her trying to defend Naruto but not anymore alone but with the other rookies. Not sure about the body block.

[Naruto_Uzumaki_Dattebayo]

I'm not sure how it will turn out, but what I'm hoping is that Sakura will talk to Naruto before this fight, because she's concerned about him dying (we know she's concerned about Naruto saying they will both die if they fight).  I think during that conversation, faced with the possibility that he might not come back, both of them will be more honest with each other and their own feelings than they were before.  I wouldn't be surprised if it played out similar to Tsunade and Jiaiya's last conversation, only with a happier ending.
 
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I was thinking the exact samething just ALOT more specific in how it would happen. Sasuke says met him at the FV in a week so Naruto goes home then Sakura decides to go over to his place and they start talking.

Edited by Naruto_Uzumaki_Dattebayo, 23 July 2013 - 08:38 AM.

[Masque]

So I have followed this thread in its multiple iterations for some time and since we are back around to "quasi-hate" of Hinata and pondering why Sakura receives so much negative backlash I thought I would  weigh in finally. So my apologies if this get to be overly long:

 

As far as Hinata goes I want to state that I am not an NH fan but I am a fan of Naruto and so I can see how NH has appeal. When you look at everything Naruto has been through, the hate and fear directed at him, the loneliness, the sadness you sort of think if ANYONE deserves the kind of absolute love and devotion that Hinata would pour onto whomever became her boyfriend/husband its Naruto. Naruto deserves romantic love that isn't tainted by some twisted angsty crush for his best friend. Now let me say before the righteous indignation sets in, that I hope for that love to come from Sakura that she will rid herself of that parasitic crush and love Naruto without its shadow hanging over them. However that hasn't happened and because it hasn't NH does retain some appeal not because of what's good for Hinata but because of what could be good for Naruto if it were developed that way. Just something to think about before you   the next time you see someone mentioning Hinata ;p

 

 

 

 

With regards to Sakura, as other have mentioned she gets her initial negative impression from part 1, her general attitude, her Sasuke fan-girling and her treatment of Naruto and before someone busts out the Tsundere argument bare with me a bit. In part 1 all her dere was for Sasuke  Naruto really didn't get any of it so that's sort of out, she flat out didn't like him for a while due to pranks etc. and her displeasure manifested as physical violence (For comedic sake I get it, I watch more anime than I care to admit). However when you are a fan of the main character its hard to see him get snubbed by his main love interest in favor of the brooding jerk. So there we have the general impression of part 1 and why people might hold Sakura in a negative light

 

Onto Part 2:

 

So in part 2 we start seeing Sakura as an ACTUAL Tsundere she shows both a sweet side and a violent disapproving side to Naruto (Less of this side in part 2 as many have pointed out). So the reader begins to get the notion that hey Sakura is coming around finally she is starting to see this amazing Naruto that the audience has been seeing all along.

 

NS starts picking up momentum and people start warming up to the Canon pairing then comes the Murder attempt and Sakura still loves Sasuke ok....people can live with that she is confused she is obviously showing something towards Naruto so people wait it out and then comes the confession, a confession that was both painful to watch and read both times, because you knew it wasn't really genuine ( for the love of god stop reaching for your Kishi quote I know your mind jumped to it instantly) His answer to that question is intentionally vague it was not a rock solid confirmation stating that yes Sakura meant her confession and yes she loves Naruto. If you were warming up to the pairing or always supported it that confession scene was like a spear to the heart. Directly following that sordid affair we have murder attempt number 2......and she..still loves...Sasuke. She is in such anguish over him STILL and once again if you are a fan of the Naruto then watching him push onward being this great person only to see his love never be enough to fill the void that Sasuke left in Sakura's heart you just cant help but look at her crossly. 540 just made it worse because its just another reminder ( as if more were needed   ) That Sakura still harbors an angsty love for Sasuke.

 

In any case that's just my two cents on why Sakura gets so much flak, and when you have that many chapters of questionable actions its hard to just let it go even when now when she seems to finally be getting better as an all around character (we hope)

[Naruto_Uzumaki_Dattebayo]

I know how that one feels..found a new anime reviewer, he was really good.

Then I saw a chapter in which Sakura was not present in, the guy basically celebrated the possibility that she was dead in his review..oh boy I just left.

Hey if you want to watch someone look at a chapter of Naruto rationally heres the link. http://www.youtube.c...x?feature=watch

[sushi.]

Hey if you want to watch someone look at a chapter of Naruto rationally heres the link. http://www.youtube.c...x?feature=watch

I know I already sub him, TurrinB is also very good and a neutral shipper who believed in NH 6 months ago, but now thinks NS will be endgame hah.

Edited by sushi., 23 July 2013 - 08:22 AM.

[HauntedCake]

Lol you know, you can like BOTH Naruto and Sakura. I like Sakura more than Naruto and it has s lot to do with some of things you listed. I personally don't just ship a couple because of what one wants but because of both and their interactions/chemistry. I don't look at Sakura as some prize for Naruto. Its nice that Naruto loves her but its just as awesome that Sakuras coming around and possibly returning his feelings. 

Bolded: hasn't NS's argument always been that Sakura loves Naruto already? subconciously at least?

 

I was thinking the exact samething just ALOT more specific in how it would happen. Sasuke says met him at the FV in a week so Naruto goes home then Sakura decides to go over to his place and they start talking.

I also think sasuke will tell naruto to meet him at the FV in x days.

 

With regards to Sakura, as other have mentioned she gets her initial negative impression from part 1, her general attitude, her Sasuke fan-girling and her treatment of Naruto and before someone busts out the Tsundere argument bare with me a bit. In part 1 all her dere was for Sasuke  Naruto really didn't get any of it so that's sort of out, she flat out didn't like him for a while due to pranks etc. and her displeasure manifested as physical violence (For comedic sake I get it, I watch more anime than I care to admit). However when you are a fan of the main character its hard to see him get snubbed by his main love interest in favor of the brooding jerk. So there we have the general impression of part 1 and why people might hold Sakura in a negative light

 

Onto Part 2:

 

So in part 2 we start seeing Sakura as an ACTUAL Tsundere she shows both a sweet side and a violent disapproving side to Naruto (Less of this side in part 2 as many have pointed out). So the reader begins to get the notion that hey Sakura is coming around finally she is starting to see this amazing Naruto that the audience has been seeing all along.

 

NS starts picking up momentum and people start warming up to the Canon pairing then comes the Murder attempt and Sakura still loves Sasuke ok....people can live with that she is confused she is obviously showing something towards Naruto so people wait it out and then comes the confession, a confession that was both painful to watch and read both times, because you knew it wasn't really genuine ( for the love of god stop reaching for your Kishi quote I know your mind jumped to it instantly) His answer to that question is intentionally vague it was not a rock solid confirmation stating that yes Sakura meant her confession and yes she loves Naruto. If you were warming up to the pairing or always supported it that confession scene was like a spear to the heart. Directly following that sordid affair we have murder attempt number 2......and she..still loves...Sasuke. She is in such anguish over him STILL and once again if you are a fan of the Naruto then watching him push onward being this great person only to see his love never be enough to fill the void that Sasuke left in Sakura's heart you just cant help but look at her crossly. 540 just made it worse because its just another reminder ( as if more were needed   ) That Sakura still harbors an angsty love for Sasuke.

 

In any case that's just my two cents on why Sakura gets so much flak, and when you have that many chapters of questionable actions its hard to just let it go even when now when she seems to finally be getting better as an all around character (we hope)

I agree 100% with all this, this is exaclty where i stand with a small exception of your comment about the confession not being true... it is by far the most murky confession as to whether it was truthfull or not..