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[TouKen4Life3g]

So one thing I keep hearing is that Minato is in a wrong ''assumption'' about Sakura being ''Naruto's girlfirend'' and even being like Kushina. And apparently just before he leaves, he will somehow notice Hinata was the true one for Naruto.

That's dumb writing. If they want that to happen, it should have happen in the same chapter, but the damage is done.

 

The way I see these two parts are the step-by-step process for love. Part 1 conclusion is Sakura became best friend with Naruto, no more negative thoughts. Part 2 is building up to be Sakura becoming Naruto's girlfriend.

[Gravenimage]

So one thing I keep hearing is that Minato is in a wrong ''assumption'' about Sakura being ''Naruto's girlfirend'' and even being like Kushina. And apparently just before he leaves, he will somehow notice Hinata was the true one for Naruto.

 

 

!00$ says Minato won't even notice Hinata or say a word to her since they're in the middle of a fight to determine the fate of the world.

[Dalton.T.R]

I think I repeated this a long time ago why the fandom hate Sakura. Not just because Naruto loves her its because she's the heroine, because Kishi is fond of her and most importantly because the fandom knows its going to be NS in the end. It's better to deny and type of logic been shown in the development and the parallels with Kishi's manga and just focus one's hatred on the lead female the girl Naruto will always love. Its the fact that they know Naruto will never love Hinata and show extreme high loyalty towards her like he does with Sakura, the truth hurts.

That may be part of it. I've found people that were more neutral towards her. They didn't like her because she's not that great of a lead female, which let's admit that this is somewhat true. Before Road to Ninja we knew very little about her past, parents, what she did at home and so on. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I love Sakura and her character, but she doesn't have that great of a back story, which is CRUCIAL for a lead character of any story. Romance, action, horror or whatever. A lead character HAS to have a back ground. Maybe not perfect;y detailed, but at least name his/her parents, hobbies and so on.

 

Another thing I've noticed is that people don't like her because she has something most other characters in Naruto don't. A personality that just about anybody can relate to. They see the negative side of Sakura's character. (These are words coming from that 'TwilightTX72 guy [or whatever his name is on youtube])

 

That's just my thoughts on the matter, but I also agree that people don't like her because she's in the way of NaruHina. 

[Dalton.T.R]

Why do some of the westerners put hinata on such a high pedestal? She did absolutely NOTHING! in the manga!!! Why? Why?? It makes no sense!! If the japanese fans arent even doing thag then WHY?! I didnt miss anything!!

 

Because she has bigger boobs than most other females in the Naruto world. 

[Branden]

why does Hinata even matter anymore? 631 killed any chance of NH so why are you guys still discussing her? if you're annoyed by her fans then you always have the option of ignoring them

[TouKen4Life3g]

Quite honestly, I like the fact she doesn't have a back story that is relevant to the plot. It's relevant to her character with the bully and such. That said it's good for a change that the character is evolving with the world around her, rather than something that's already been made because of the past. She doesn't have any knowledge on what is to feel about getting revenge, or being the lonely person in the village, or carry the name of her clan, or so forth. She is a normal girl in a world with ninja doing crazy things. So, in the beginning, she acted such a normal girl thinking about boys (Sasuke) and such, but in reality, she has to understand that what she's in is real and she must act upon it. When she was alone as others are knocked out, she got the taste on how she got to defend herself without being strong and everything, so we got her developed to become a stronger ninja and no more girly "dreams", hence cutting her hair. If she was serious about these girl stuff, she wouldn't do it, but she acknowledged that she's in a world where it takes everything to survive.

 

I can go on more but it's too long. I really like her character, especially in mental development, seeing that she believed too much fantasy stuff, only to see the true reality. It's like how we people evolve in time, like how when I was little, I thought to see everything to be clean and nice. Now growing up, I see that the neighbors are rotten and/or people get trouble because of bully. I'm not saying this is me, but this could happen to anyone, and Sakura got that. I noticed that she learned a lot about people on how far they go and such. She got to see dark nature of Sasuke aka the real Sasuke, she got to see Naruto being a really nice guy, she got to see that boys are too stubborn to the point they will get themselves killed, and so on. That's why she draw a conclusion that she will get stronger. Now in part 2, she got to learn to get closer to Naruto aka understanding deeper before hitting to the final stage: love, she got to understand that not everything is easy or hopeful (Sasuke to be axed), and yeah, honestly, part 2 of her is about getting closer to Naruto most of the time. Not trying to be biased, but you can review it and think to yourself. She taught of herself twice in part 2: Sasori's battle and 632. Everything is mainly Naruto and in Kage Summit Arc, Naruto's life and stopping the pain (Sasuke).

[Kster95]

That may be part of it. I've found people that were more neutral towards her. They didn't like her because she's not that great of a lead female, which let's admit that this is somewhat true. Before Road to Ninja we knew very little about her past, parents, what she did at home and so on. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I love Sakura and her character, but she doesn't have that great of a back story, which is CRUCIAL for a lead character of any story. Romance, action, horror or whatever. A lead character HAS to have a back ground. Maybe not perfect;y detailed, but at least name his/her parents, hobbies and so on.

 

Another thing I've noticed is that people don't like her because she has something most other characters in Naruto don't. A personality that just about anybody can relate to. They see the negative side of Sakura's character. (These are words coming from that 'TwilightTX72 guy [or whatever his name is on youtube])

 

That's just my thoughts on the matter, but I also agree that people don't like her because she's in the way of NaruHina. 

 

Kishi has always stated that he didn't want to give Sakura a crazy background because he wanted her to have a sense of real humanity. 

[StriderC]

I will say that I did always kind of want to know what her parents were like and given how animated they seem to be, it'd be nice to see them in the manga. After seeing them on Road to Ninja, I wanted to see a bit more from them. What I find funny is how all of the normal  characters from the rookies don't have in manga parents. Just something to think about...

Edited by StriderC, 22 July 2013 - 06:36 PM.

[sushi.]

why does Hinata even matter anymore? 631 killed any chance of NH so why are you guys still discussing her? if you're annoyed by her fans then you always have the option of ignoring them

Maybe because Hinata is a character?

 

Omg she exists

[T XD]

It's not a necessity for a hero or heroine to have a full known background of their lives. For example, her parents. If they won't play a role in the manga then why present them. How Kishi have to present them if they don't have a role ? Simply put a panel of them from out of nowhere ? That can't happen.

 

We know a good amount from her background. She was bullied, her forehead issue with her, she's not from a clan, she was with Naruto and Sasuke in the academy and one or two other things I don't remember them now. Those are good information about her.

 

How does her house look ? Her hobbies ? That's not something that we need to know about for the sake of her background

Edited by T XD, 22 July 2013 - 09:17 PM.

[HauntedCake]

Her being that way when she was around Sasuke is to have the heroine like the cool and calm main character for afterwards have a drama and have some action in the romance part from it in the plot, as we're seeing in part 2, then she knows that she truly loves Naruto, the hero. It's nothing new or overdone in a manga.

 

If one see that and still doesn't agree to how things go, it would be one's personal opinion on the matter then.

 

By the way, I wasn't talking to you when I said " Those ". I was talking about the haters.

 

Bolded: yeah i know

 
Haunted how long has it been since Sakura has miss treated Naruto or fangirled over Sasuke? Those who uses her part 1 self to justify her character are using excuses that are BS. I bet most of those haters knows perfectly what a tsundere is and that she always ends up with the male protagonist in a shounen series, also that she hits the male protagonist for comic relief purposes. They hate her for hitting on Naruto let me tell you something I have seen tsundere that are far WORSE than Sakura, that make her a saint next to them. 
 
Haruko from FLCL (Fooly Cooly) is the tsundere of the series she hits the male protagonist Naota with her scooter, her guitar and even a baseball bat. Though the series is centered more on comedy it still clearly shown how a tsundere acts around her love interest. Those who uses excuses that Sakura hits Naruto to hate her are failing to justify their hate on her character, she's a tsundere. In fact she's way more soft than the average tsundere I have seen. 

 I'm only talking about part 1 sakura not part 2. if we look at her treatment of Naruto in part 1, it was pretty appauling and she only had an attitute adustment when sasuke did the same to her and she wondered if Naruto felt like this.

 

I find this adds insult to injury because it takes sasuke giving her some of her own medicine so to speak for her to realize she has been awful to Naruto and not her just stepping back and seeing it herself beforehand.

 

Anyway, she is nothing like part 1 anymore and that is most definatly for the better. She is a great heroine and soon to kick sasuke's ass

 

Off - topic:

 

I've had a thought, if there is another arc (Naruto vs Sasuke arc) then i belive there will be more NS development then if this current arc is the final one.

 

My theory is that if there is not another arc we will get NS forehead kiss/confession and then epilouge with kids etc etc...

 

If there is another final arc then there will be panel time for a much deeper resolution for all (Hinata as well) /  NS kiss on the lips?

 

Basically: more arcs more NS development?

 

thoughts?

[StriderC]

So you think Sakura was an ass to Naruto all over Part 1? Do you also fault her for not having obvious feelings for the guy also? The hate she got wasn't deserved at all IMO. especially if you actually recollect some of the things she did do. Forest of Death, the hokage comment in the Chuunin Exams. when she cut her hair. When she acknowledged that Naruto was the reason she tied. All this from a girl who got a kitten load of haters on her back for not feeling a certain way about Naruto? I guess we should hate Naruto for not feeling the same way about Hinata...

Edited by StriderC, 22 July 2013 - 09:59 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
Bolded: yeah i know
 I'm only talking about part 1 sakura not part 2. if we look at her treatment of Naruto in part 1, it was pretty appauling and she only had an attitute adustment when sasuke did the same to her and she wondered if Naruto felt like this.
 
I find this adds insult to injury because it takes sasuke giving her some of her own medicine so to speak for her to realize she has been awful to Naruto and not her just stepping back and seeing it herself beforehand.
 
Anyway, she is nothing like part 1 anymore and that is most definatly for the better. She is a great heroine and soon to kick sasuke's ass
 
Off - topic:
 
I've had a thought, if there is another arc (Naruto vs Sasuke arc) then i belive there will be more NS development then if this current arc is the final one.
 
My theory is that if there is not another arc we will get NS forehead kiss/confession and then epilouge with kids etc etc...
 
If there is another final arc then there will be panel time for a much deeper resolution for all (Hinata as well) /  NS kiss on the lips?
 
Basically: more arcs more NS development?
 
thoughts?

Honestly, NS can only go up as NH and SS can stop where it's at and let ff do all the work. The thing is Kishi has closed a lot of the chapters within characters. If he closes SS in this arc, then NS can only go higher and higher with nothing holding back. Granted SS don't need to end to go higher for NS but it's pretty much settled. After Minato's approval, NS can't go lower anymore. So yeah, NS can get more developments. I'm only hoping for nice touching ones, something Dinseyish in their montage. I demand a montage!

[Sojobo]

Hinata is overrated,  never saw a secondary character having so much credits by the readers.

I don't hate the character, I just find that we're giving her to much credits.

 

The character only exist when Naruto is around. Kishi never gave a kitten about her when he was developping Hyuuga story, it was all but Neji.

Naruto, Naruto, Naruto, Naruto and Naruto... even in the last chapter where every rookie is showing there power ups, Hinata again, is thinking about Naruto.

And again, a lot of people are so excited about that.

 

I mean, I like NaruSaku a lot, but I don't like Naruto and Sakura because of NaruSaku.

I'm a Naruto fan, not a Sakura fan, but I like Sakura, because of her link with team 7, her fight again Akatsuki Sasori, the fact she's not special, and even if she doesn't come from a special Clan with Kekkei Genkai, she can match with Naruto and Sasuke, and surpass even Tsunade.

 

Sakura is much more developped. I didn't like her in part one, because of her obsession for Sasuke, but in part 2, she became a more serious character, and she became stronger.

 

I really don't understand why Hinata is much more popular, when Sakura makes a better character in all the aspects.

Anyway, I agree with the guys who says that chapter 631 ends NH for good.

Naruto just friendzoned her, I don't know if she knows that he's in love with Sakura, but I hope she will realize it soon, cause, she really looks pathetic in chapter 633.

 

Minato just confirmed what we NaruSaku fans were saying all the time about Kushina parallel and her words about "finding someone like your mother".

If you don't admit that this is foreshadowing NaruSaku, than, your analys skills are poor.

 

Of course, NaruSaku will decieve a lot of fans, like Tobito, but, that's the way Kishimoto always wanted to be, we should respect his decision.

 

Anyway, do you think that the fact that Juubito and Sasuke made Naruto their target, is a good opportunity to devellop NaruSaku?

I mean, I didn't give up about a possible death of Naruto, wich can be a good lesson for Sakura, and help her realize her feelings because of the strong pain in her heart.

 

Anyway, can't wait about that. Hope NaruSaku happens before final fight against final vilain Sasuke/Taka, so that I can appreciate those final moments without thinking anymore about NaruSaku. ^^

[T XD]

Kishi can do a kiss on the lips as in he does consider it cause there's when Sakura was about kiss Naruto " Sasuke ", and the one of Yahiko and Konan. They didn't kiss, but they were about to lip lock. So, Kishi can make Naruto and Sakura lip lock this time, or about to lip lock.

Edited by T XD, 22 July 2013 - 10:24 PM.

[StriderC]

Hinata is overrated,  never saw a secondary character having so much credits by the readers.

I don't hate the character, I just find that we're giving her to much credits.

 

The character only exist when Naruto is around. Kishi never gave a kitten about her when he was developping Hyuuga story, it was all but Neji.

Naruto, Naruto, Naruto, Naruto and Naruto... even in the last chapter where every rookie is showing there power ups, Hinata again, is thinking about Naruto.

And again, a lot of people are so excited about that.

 

I mean, I like NaruSaku a lot, but I don't like Naruto and Sakura because of NaruSaku.

I'm a Naruto fan, not a Sakura fan, but I like Sakura, because of her link with team 7, her fight again Akatsuki Sasori, the fact she's not special, and even if she doesn't come from a special Clan with Kekkei Genkai, she can match with Naruto and Sasuke, and surpass even Tsunade.

 

Sakura is much more developped. I didn't like her in part one, because of her obsession for Sasuke, but in part 2, she became a more serious character, and she became stronger.

 

I really don't understand why Hinata is much more popular, when Sakura makes a better character in all the aspects.

Anyway, I agree with the guys who says that chapter 631 ends NH for good.

Naruto just friendzoned her, I don't know if she knows that he's in love with Sakura, but I hope she will realize it soon, cause, she really looks pathetic in chapter 633.

 

Minato just confirmed what we NaruSaku fans were saying all the time about Kushina parallel and her words about "finding someone like your mother".

If you don't admit that this is foreshadowing NaruSaku, than, your analys skills are poor.

 

Of course, NaruSaku will decieve a lot of fans, like Tobito, but, that's the way Kishimoto always wanted to be, we should respect his decision.

 

Anyway, do you think that the fact that Juubito and Sasuke made Naruto their target, is a good opportunity to devellop NaruSaku?

I mean, I didn't give up about a possible death of Naruto, wich can be a good lesson for Sakura, and help her realize her feelings because of the strong pain in her heart.

 

Anyway, can't wait about that. Hope NaruSaku happens before final fight against final vilain Sasuke/Taka, so that I can appreciate those final moments without thinking anymore about NaruSaku. ^^

Lol you know, you can like BOTH Naruto and Sakura. I like Sakura more than Naruto and it has s lot to do with some of things you listed. I personally don't just ship a couple because of what one wants but because of both and their interactions/chemistry. I don't look at Sakura as some prize for Naruto. Its nice that Naruto loves her but its just as awesome that Sakuras coming around and possibly returning his feelings. 

[rocci]

@sojobo:
For me, I think sakura is not just a mere shonen heroine, but more like a shoujo heroine who can make her own manga and become the female lead in shoujo format.

That's why I never have ill feeling toward her even in part one, because for me it's a unique feature from heroine in shonen manga. Sakura doesn't have boob, didn't love naruto, love his rival, and come from a normal family.

For me, I never consider Hinata as the heroine, but if there are heroine other than sakura, than I will say it's rin. Rin is what I say "old school" heroine type. Most oldschool manga use rin type heroine, and only recently strong girl/tsundere type heroine heavily use in shonen manga.

Oh btw sakura is potentially the strongest kunoichi. And it's fun when all uzumaki jinchuriki love, pair, and choose with the strongest opposite sex of their generation.(ex: mito with hashirama, kushina with minato, and naruto with sakura)

[TouKen4Life3g]

Hinata is overrated,  never saw a secondary character having so much credits by the readers.

I don't hate the character, I just find that we're giving her to much credits.

 

The character only exist when Naruto is around. Kishi never gave a kitten about her when he was developping Hyuuga story, it was all but Neji.

Naruto, Naruto, Naruto, Naruto and Naruto... even in the last chapter where every rookie is showing there power ups, Hinata again, is thinking about Naruto.

And again, a lot of people are so excited about that.

 

I mean, I like NaruSaku a lot, but I don't like Naruto and Sakura because of NaruSaku.

I'm a Naruto fan, not a Sakura fan, but I like Sakura, because of her link with team 7, her fight again Akatsuki Sasori, the fact she's not special, and even if she doesn't come from a special Clan with Kekkei Genkai, she can match with Naruto and Sasuke, and surpass even Tsunade.

 

Sakura is much more developped. I didn't like her in part one, because of her obsession for Sasuke, but in part 2, she became a more serious character, and she became stronger.

 

I really don't understand why Hinata is much more popular, when Sakura makes a better character in all the aspects.

Anyway, I agree with the guys who says that chapter 631 ends NH for good.

Naruto just friendzoned her, I don't know if she knows that he's in love with Sakura, but I hope she will realize it soon, cause, she really looks pathetic in chapter 633.

 

Minato just confirmed what we NaruSaku fans were saying all the time about Kushina parallel and her words about "finding someone like your mother".

If you don't admit that this is foreshadowing NaruSaku, than, your analys skills are poor.

 

Of course, NaruSaku will decieve a lot of fans, like Tobito, but, that's the way Kishimoto always wanted to be, we should respect his decision.

 

Anyway, do you think that the fact that Juubito and Sasuke made Naruto their target, is a good opportunity to devellop NaruSaku?

I mean, I didn't give up about a possible death of Naruto, wich can be a good lesson for Sakura, and help her realize her feelings because of the strong pain in her heart.

 

Anyway, can't wait about that. Hope NaruSaku happens before final fight against final vilain Sasuke/Taka, so that I can appreciate those final moments without thinking anymore about NaruSaku. ^^

Nicely said.

 

Sad that Naruto always become a target in many circumstance. I remember people said that because Juubi was awaken, Naruto is not that much of a target. Well, here we are. Naruto will always be the number 1 target, which is sad for Sakura because she was shocked that his enemies were powerful and Naruto got to suffer this. You hear that, Sasuke, stop believing you're more special. Lol yeah I hate him. Not that I hate him him, pretty much Kishi made me hate him. Like in shows, you create a character to hate and yeah, here he is.

 

Kishi can do a kiss on the lips as in he does consider it cause there's when Sakura was about kiss Naruto " Sasuke ", and the one of Yahiko and Konan. They didn't kiss, but they were about to lip lock. So, Kishi can make Naruto and Sakura lip lock this time, or about to lip lock.

Well I always say Kishi is like one time giver and this one could be it.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@sojobo:
For me, I think sakura is not just a mere shonen heroine, but more like a shoujo heroine who can make her own manga and become the female lead in shoujo format.

That's why I never have ill feeling toward her even in part one, because for me it's a unique feature from heroine in shonen manga. Sakura doesn't have boob, didn't love naruto, love his rival, and come from a normal family.

For me, I never consider Hinata as the heroine, but if there are heroine other than sakura, than I will say it's rin. Rin is what I say "old school" heroine type. Most oldschool manga use rin type heroine, and only recently strong girl/tsundere type heroine heavily use in shonen manga.

Oh btw sakura is potentially the strongest kunoichi. And it's fun when all uzumaki jinchuriki love, pair, and choose with the strongest opposite sex of their generation.(ex: mito with hashirama, kushina with minato, and naruto with sakura)

Nicely said.

 

For the record, (mostly tsundere) heroine in Shounen (or maybe anywhere) for whatever reason don't have large boob, sometimes just flat. Instead, they either have nothing, or replaced with large behind. Sakura got the latter. I think the reason is because whenever the character is athletic or more tomboyish, they will have that perk. And if the heroine does have large boob, they will be made for fanservice and/or have best of both worlds. Lucy is the victim of this. Er, this is awkward. Lol.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 22 July 2013 - 11:00 PM.

[StriderC]

@sojobo:
I think sakura is not just a mere shonen heroine, but more like a shoujo heroine who can make her own manga and become the female lead in shoujo format.

That's why I never have ill feeling toward her even in part one, because for me it's a unique feature from heroine in shonen manga. Sakura doesn't have boob, didn't love naruto, love his rival, and come from a normal family.

For me, I never consider Hinata as the heroine, but if there are heroine other than sakura, than I will say it's rin. Rin is what I say "old school" heroine type. Most oldschool manga use rin type heroine, and only recently strong girl/tsundere type heroine heavily use in shonen manga.

Oh btw sakura is potentially the strongest kunoichi. And it's fun when all uzumaki jinchuriki love, pair, and choose with the strongest opposite sex of their generation.(ex: mito with hashirama, kushina with minato, and naruto with sakura)

Yeah, I liked Sakura right from the beginning and liked her even more when I saw that she was normal compared to her peers and lacked fighting prowess. I love that she didn't like the main right away and actually warmed up to him throughout all of the story. I love that she's relatable in many ways.