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[FireFox]

That's like x2 hit 

Oh my Is it !?   I didn't notice that at all .

[EmperorZeo]

Good read:

http://heavenandeart...he-last-being-a

If the info about the budgets for RTN and tl are accurate then rtn really did give them more bang for their buck. If only they had put as many resources behind it as they did with tl.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Oh my Is it !?   I didn't notice that at all .

Try more 

[Atheck]

Okay, it seems I'm missing something. Please, explain to me, how pointing out inconsistency in the story telling, is something bad. I even theoreticaly have a little to no chances to damage Kishimoto's credibility more than he did it by himself. And be sure, I'm not trying to push my opinion about this movie on anyone at all. From your attitude, I can't see why you arguing here. You seems to be pretty ok with anything until now, so please, tell me, why don't you go to some NH fandom places to gather info about movie, if you see nothing wrong in retcons and bs in the last. Be sure, no one here will think bad of you.

Oh, I don't disagree with your supposed inconsistencies on a personal level. I believe there's merit to it. However, I am willing to acknowledge that an opposing interpretation and explanation can be made by those supportive of the ending, provided they take the time to address every accusation and grievance released from the minds of dissenters and antis. Is such a person likely to appear from the nH fandom? Probably not, bu the absolution of one opinion should not be encouraged. I'm not going to venture to those places because I resent their ignorance and short-nearsightedness. I don't agree with their opinions, but at the same time I don't believe repeating to one's self that the film is being censured and deemed the worst by even the majority of fans is the best course of action to take.

Edited by Atheck, 19 February 2015 - 11:13 PM.

[Tiller]

I'm so tired of hearing about how people who make value judgements are somehow hurting "the fandom". Or "our cause". NS isn't a part of the modern Naruto fandom, nor are most of us fans of Kishimoto or his story telling abilities, but heaven forbid anyone actually stand up and say that with any conviction, because you might hurt the feelings of someone else. We are in fact on our own here with remnants of a broken story that we once enjoyed, and that some of us have decided to create with for our own entertainment.

 

This is art damn it. Commercial art for sure, but art none the less. People can b*tch about it however they want, and if someone else wants to cry that it's not fair that persons A's opinion isn't the same as person B's opinion on said piece of artwork they can stuff it. Art by its nature is going to divide people. Just because you create something does not mean you are worthy of praise.

 

I don't give a tickers damn what any of the pro ending people think of this ending. I've lived my life for almost 3 decades now without worrying about what other people think about viewpoints I don't hold. I don't know what it is about this generation (especially younger elements of it) who seem so damn terrified of holding a... (shocked expression) viewpoint as an absolute end to itself. Viewpoints that by their nature everyone can't hold, because your taking a stand.

 

If Naruto earned every possible reward it ever could, with praise heaped on it from multiple sides, and it somehow lead to a chance of world peace it wouldn't make a tickers damn to my opinion about the problems with this story.

 

Art is made to be criticized, and to cause you to think. Commercial art isn't any different. If you can't tolerate that then leave, because that is how the creative community works, and has worked since the first caveman painted a bull on a cave wall, and another caveman told him it wasn't realistic looking.

 

I'm so tired of this generations victimization complex. "Oh no someone doesn't agree with me on something I'm being oppressed and...." Big freaking deal! Welcome to living in a world where freedom is valued! With a population of a few billion, your going to have billions of different opinions on topics, and you aren't required to take value in every one of them in order to be considered a person in good standing.

Edited by Tiller, 19 February 2015 - 11:24 PM.

[TerrorKing]

The Last is most likely going to be a succes here in the west, but it's still nice to see some western fans who also don't like the movie, even if they are few and far between. 

 

None of us can really say what will happen going forward. It's difficult to tell whether the "anti movement" is in the majority or the minority or whether the series will keep going as if nothing happened or whether it will eventuelly lose momentum. Only time will tell. 

Edited by TerrorKing, 19 February 2015 - 11:17 PM.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

The Last is most likely going to be a succes here in the west, but it's still nice to see some western fans who also don't like the movie, even if they are few and far between. 

 

None of us can really say what will happen going forward. It's difficult to tell whether the "anti movement" is in the majority or the minority or whether the series will keep going as if nothing happened or whether it will eventuelly lose momentum. Only time will tell. 

If anything I know at all, choose worst possible way, and make it little better, that's what going to happend   

[FireFox]

I so tired of hearing about how people who make value judgements are somehow hurting "the fandom". Or "our cause". NS isn't a part of the modern Naruto fandom, nor are most of us fans of Kishimoto or his story telling abilities, but heaven forbid anyone actually stand up and say that with any conviction, because you might hurt the feelings of someone else. We are in fact on our own here with remnants of a broken story that we once enjoyed, and that some of us have decided to create with for our own entertainment.

 

This is art damn it. Commercial art for sure, but art none the less. People can b*tch about it however they want, and if someone else wants to cry that it's not fair that persons A's opinion isn't the same as person B's opinion on said piece of artwork.

 

I don't give a tickers damn what any of the pro ending people think of this ending. I've lived my life for almost 3 decades now without worrying about what other people think about viewpoints I don't hold. I don't know what it is about this generation (especially younger elements of it) who seem so damn terrified of holding a... (shocked expression) viewpoint as an absolute end to itself. Viewpoints that by their nature everyone can't hold, because your taking a stand.

 

If Naruto earned every possible reward it ever could, with praise heaped on it from multiple sides, and it somehow lead to a chance of world peace it wouldn't make a tickers damn to my opinion about the problems with this story.

 

Art is made to be criticized, and cause you to think. Commercial art isn't any different. If you can't tolerate that then leave, because that is how the creative community works, and has worked since the first caveman painted a bull on a cave wall, and another caveman told him it wasn't realistic looking.

 

So tired of this generations victimization complex. "Oh no someone doesn't agree with me on something I'm being oppressed and...." Big freaking deal! Welcome to living in a world where freedom is valued! With a population of a few billion, your going to have billion of different opinions on topics, and you aren't required to take value in every one of them in order to be considered a person in good standing.

 

Please take my last slice of Pepperoni Pizza you earned it   .  

 

Just bc we are antis who follow the logical way from a literary point of view doesn't mean our opinion is biased or invalid  to say otherwise its a huge double standard  bc the same applies for the Naruto's ending NH/SS apologist  and its worse in their case bc we have facts to support it of how much this kitten sucks .   

 

Try more  

Look st that slice of Pizza you ain't getting that one   . 

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 19 February 2015 - 11:26 PM.

[RedFaction]

The Last is most likely going to be a succes here in the west, but it's still nice to see some western fans who also don't like the movie, even if they are few and far between. 

 

None of us can really say what will happen going forward. It's difficult to tell whether the "anti movement" is in the majority or the minority or whether the series will keep going as if nothing happened or whether it will eventuelly lose momentum. Only time will tell. 

It may be a success, but I know not everyone in the west is not happy with the ending. I have some friends who liked NH and said this ending was garbage and they don't consider the Last to be canon. Who knows what's going to happen though, but I bet that the people who like the movie are going to be the more vocal ones and will no doubt call us salty about not worshiping it like them.

[Nar123]

http://armrestchann....st/111351065170


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[TerrorKing]

If anything I know at all, choose worst possible way, and make it little better, that's what going to happend   

So they're going to set the bar extremely low so that people's expectations will be equally as low? Clever. 

 

It may be a success, but I know not everyone in the west is not happy with the ending. I have some friends who liked NH and said this ending was garbage and they don't consider the Last to be canon. Who knows what's going to happen though, but I bet that the people who like the movie are going to be the more vocal ones and will no doubt call us salty about not worshiping it like them.

Exactly.Being anti-ending does automatically mean that you're an NS fan. Meanwhile not all NH and SS fans are pro-ending. It's a lot more complicated than that. 

 

I have no doubt that there are vocal extremists out there who will shot down anyone who doesn't share their viewpoint. Hypotecically, if part 3 flops then it will be interesting to see what Shueisha will do. It's very unlikely that they're going to change anything, but with all the crazy kitten that's happend over the past three months, nothing will really surprise me anymore. 

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Two blackouts in a row, and dinner by candlelight, wow 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Something I forgot to comment. The Order 1886 reviews are out and they're disappointing, but earlier today I said that I was sort of happy. The reason is not only people didn't forget that gameplay is the most important factor, but in reality, I am so tired of presentation alone equals quality. It's like with The Last. If you go by that, then you're missing the real factor. I don't like when great presentation override the content. You can have all out action that you have no idea what's the purpose or anything, but since it looks great, 10 out of 10.

Thank you.

[Pix]

dbz isn't a good example because it wasn't milked into its doom like naruto, it was left  open ending but with good enough closure and not overdone.  I'm actually happy akira toriyama is continuing it, I've missed that series so much xD. if you wanna compare it to naruto, compare gt, not dbz as a whole xD

I meant the Dragonball series as a whole. But you're kind of right I'm actually happy Akira is continuing it too! But with that being said GT was a failure (except the ending). I feel as though it's okay to continue your story later on but to milk it out to such an extent like Naruto is doing is tragic.  

 

Also, giving your story to someone else to write is just as tragic. 

Edited by Pix, 19 February 2015 - 11:58 PM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Your notions of truth aren't held as some universal standard by everyone so it would be inappropriate to try and assert this argument of universal dislike and resentment that the likes of you apparently harbours as the sentiment most carry across the forums dedicated to Naruto. And yes, that tumblr account linked has consistently spoken and acted with a prejudicial viewpoint against the series and Kishi. They can dislike and censure Naruto all they want, but they shouldn't attempt to paint themselves as impartial.

My oh got to be kidding me, bro!

[ultranx]

Umm hello,Gt didn't change it's main character,instead it focused too much on MC and completely ignored the rest that along with reverting goku back into a kid was one of it's faults.Gt story started where dbz stopped,uub,If u take that last concept of usage of dragon balls creating negative energy it is quite good for an ending and goku running off with shenron despite the silliness and logic it did reflect to little goku starting to collect dragon balls in db,but it was poorly executed.Too much of goku hype and ssj4 was all unnecessary but it didn't cross the boundaries of dbz to that extent,it remained in circle,if u know what i'm talking about.Despite being crap they still pulled out some last minute things like keeping vegeta equal with goku by going ssj4(but poorly executed).Also aliens from space and hell are nothing new to dbz,it's just that they handled it very very poorly and was terribly executed.It was unnecessary to begin with but could have done at least average if handled properly.Character designs,music especially was very lame.Lastly it is already said that it is not canon unlike this new naruto series.

 

It would have been a good story but was executed very poorly and it's faults over weighed it heavily that's why gt was total crap.

 

This milking of naruto is another level apart from gt,what story are they continuing ? the manga's ? manga's story ended with 700,gt was the non canon story continuation of the canon story MC goku who is this here  ? story of ninjas ? are they ninjas anymore ? it is new york city not even a village ? technology ? popular hilarious fanservice and ending,this was turned into something it's not.They are doing/creating something entirely different,a new plateau with a new story of a new MC unlike gt,all it has is some OOC illogical old characters and the banner naruto.That's why i said it should not be compared.Fact that they both milked is right but this is something else.

i'm not gonna argue with you because all you're gonna do is defend gt and miss my point

[rocci]

@ns4life
You seem to really like Xbox.

[ultranx]

I meant the Dragonball series as a whole. But you're kind of right I'm actually happy Akira is continuing it too! But with that being said GT was a failure (except the ending). I feel as though it's okay to continue your story later on but to milk it out to such an extent like Naruto is doing is tragic.  

 

Also, giving your story to someone else to write is just as tragic. 

well you gotta remember though, akira toriyama never approved gt, that was like a side thing an anime company did, so it never really got blown out like naruto because it was never officially kept going endlessly xD

[Pix]

well you gotta remember though, akira toriyama never approved gt, that was like a side thing an anime company did, so it never really got blown out like naruto because it was never officially kept going endlessly xD

Actually I didn't know that! That makes sense. And since Kishimoto had to approve of the last, he's in a different situation than Akira Toriyama. Smh, Kishimoney, smh.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@ns4life
You seem to really like Xbox.

Huh? That's not my point on what I said. It goes to everything. I don't like when one is highly focused it would mean great game.