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[Gravenimage]

You know guys sometimes i read on http://naruto.wikia.com and i cant help the feeling that a naruhina fans are writting it:P did you guys ever checked it out?

Narutopedia is administered by NH shippers they will sugarcoat anything that includes any interaction between Naruto and Hinata. If you read Hinata's character profile it's like reading a western romantic fairy tale making her look like she's the heroine of the story. If you read Sakura's character profile it's filled with negativity and distortion to her character development making it looked like she loves Sasuke and denies any feelings she might have for Naruto. I recommend not using narutopedia for pairing evidence. However if you read the summary for the RTN movie it hasn't be edited yet it's in its true form that it actually focus on the NS bond.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Narutopedia is administered by NH shippers they will sugarcoat anything that includes any interaction between Naruto and Hinata. If you read Hinata's character profile it's like reading a western romantic fairy tale making her look like she's the heroine of the story. If you read Sakura's character profile it's filled with negativity and distortion to her character development making it looked like she loves Sasuke and denies any feelings she might have for Naruto. I recommend not using narutopedia for pairing evidence. However if you read the summary for the RTN movie it hasn't be edited yet it's in its true form that it actually focus on the NS bond.

Amen.

I still find it funny that USA only get the latest databook, which has so many hints on Sakura's love for Naruto. So yeah, I wonder how those audience reacts. Funny that they never brought the older ones. I guess this one counts more. Not that I'm saying we should rely on the databook, but it is still funny and sad for the others.

Oh yeah, wasn't there a controversial moment in that website about the movie? Remember. The one that said Naruto and his friends got caught in a genjutsu. Yeah, that site is not good to go. Much like I have to do my own research on Halo, the game series. Good thing I read the books. So hooray for me.

[Gravenimage]

Amen.

I still find it funny that USA only get the latest databook, which has so many hints on Sakura's love for Naruto. So yeah, I wonder how those audience reacts. Funny that they never brought the older ones. I guess this one counts more. Not that I'm saying we should rely on the databook, but it is still funny and sad for the others.

Oh yeah, wasn't there a controversial moment in that website about the movie? Remember. The one that said Naruto and his friends got caught in a genjutsu. Yeah, that site is not good to go. Much like I have to do my own research on Halo, the game series. Good thing I read the books. So hooray for me.

Last time I checked it was edited the right way they changed it to "Naruto and Sakura".

[Don-kun]

@NaruSaku4Life3g
I only read NS post, comments or arguments, I don't focus on the NH or SS at all I make my own judgement about those two pairing, when I say I'm still open minded with the other two pairing is because of the things I came up with, not their biased views, I'm trying to understand the Author messages and why of some events, even when there is a lot more why favoring the narusaku.

To be honest I do not care at all for NH/SS arguments, they are the biggest rabit, biased and hypocrites from all the pairings fans, but the idea of Chapter 540 and the lack of Sakura focus is the only things that keeps me a little doubtful nothing else bothers me and I mean nothing else.

[Nefertieh]

Why do people even care about pairing fans dominating Narupedia or TVtropes? It isn't going to change the manga. All it shows is that those fans are insecure about their OTP. We don't need to bring examples in this thread and make a "debate" about it.

i use capslock only for insults.

Making insults isn't a going to help win an argument either. It only makes you look bad.

[Gravenimage]

Why do people even care about pairing fans dominating Narupedia or TVtropes? It isn't going to change the manga. All it shows is that those fans are insecure about their OTP. We don't need to bring examples in this thread and make a "debate" about it.



Making insults isn't a going to help win an argument either. It only makes you look bad.

Exactly people are forgetting the forum rules no insults no bashing etc.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Last time I checked it was edited the right way they changed it to "Naruto and Sakura".

I know, but remember the first time. It was "Naruto and his friends." It was a big controversy that in NF, we find out that that site is not good at all and it shows how biased it sadly is. Yeah, it changed now but who knows what will happen next.

@NaruSaku4Life3g
I only read NS post, comments or arguments, I don't focus on the NH or SS at all I make my own judgement about those two pairing, when I say I'm still open minded with the other two pairing is because of the things I came up with, not their biased views, I'm trying to understand the Author messages and why of some events, even when there is a lot more why favoring the narusaku.

To be honest I do not care at all for NH/SS arguments, they are the biggest rabit, biased and hypocrites from all the pairings fans, but the idea of Chapter 540 and the lack of Sakura focus is the only things that keeps me a little doubtful nothing else bothers me and I mean nothing else.

I understand.

Here's a question: Are you trying to say why there are other moments even though NaruSaku overcomes a lot of them? If so, I believe I can answer that.

[Don-kun]

I know, but remember the first time. It was "Naruto and his friends." It was a big controversy that in NF, we find out that that site is not good at all and it shows how biased it sadly is. Yeah, it changed now but who knows what will happen next.



I understand.

Here's a question: Are you trying to say why there are other moments even though NaruSaku overcomes a lot of them? If so, I believe I can answer that.

Sakura's behavior after her confession at the Summit and the lover nin are still mind bothering, plus the fact that we have 132 chapter with no Naruto and Sakura talking with each other.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Sakura's behavior after her confession at the Summit and the lover nin are still mind bothering, plus the fact that we have 132 chapter with no Naruto and Sakura talking with each other.

She knows that naruto loves her and she knew that her confession was going to fail.
i think if u havent noticed she is more sweet towards naruto, that big smile when she give the news that tsunade wake up was priceless becuase if you havent noticed naruto when naruto had a crush on sakura (wich it turns to love later) the first thing that he really liked was her smile.

http://i23.mangaread...uto-1284457.jpg

Edited by dovahkiin, 13 September 2012 - 05:56 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Sakura's behavior after her confession at the Summit and the lover nin are still mind bothering, plus the fact that we have 132 chapter with no Naruto and Sakura talking with each other.

So you're doubting NaruSaku or something because of no interaction for that long. Okay, let's make this clear: this arc is the last defining moment for every minor characters. Now, we are in the process of the main character's situation. We already finished Sasuke, now we got Kakashi and Naruto, and soon Sakura once she arrives to the battlefield. Why does it take long? Well for reasons for people are bored with this arc, it's covering a bit too much with multiple characters all on one go. I don't mind but the pace is slow because of it. Let's see: we covered the return of first arc, the two brothers, Gaara's dad, other kages, Hanzou, Asuma, attack on the medic, Nagato, snippets on other bad guys (Kimimaro, Kakuzu), Sasori and Deidara, Madara, and so on. That's why people have grown tired of it. Because it covers almost too much. Now, we are finally in the main plot with Madara and Obito. Oh yeah, and we had the whole Kyuubi vs. Naruto and him meeting his mom. It's most likely that Kishi is ending every minor characters' moments, besides the one who is relevant to the story. It's a huge patient test, but now, it feels like we about to be paid off.

It's like I said before, we get developments on other characters in the middle, which it was in the middle for all K11. Hinata needed a development to her action back in Pain arc, so she received it. Now when you think about it, which thought held more to the plot? Sakura or Hinata? Hinata's thought can be either two things: she wants to Naruto's level of strength or she actually believe that she will be together with him. Sakura is more effective because she basically not only include herself of desire helping him since the end of part 1, but the fact she pointed out that his people/friends are in this together as well, which relevant to the plot because it's a sign of respect and team. You can say all you want about Hinata starting off first, but I think the reason why it did because not only she got the development she needed, but she also the last one in the group to get one, so the tension builds higher as the thought of Naruto continues on. You start off, then other will progress it further. It ended with Sakura because not only Kishi made her the obvious heroine of them all, but her quote has the most effect to Naruto's character. Not to mention, it actually connects to what Itachi said about MinaKushi. Hell, even Minato said that Kushina made him the Hokage. Naruto is bonded forever with Team 7 and Iruka. Yamato's quote makes sense and connects to MinaKushi. Sakura's feelings is what makes Naruto stronger. If that's the case, then it applies the same to Minato. Also, Jiraiya did say getting reject just make you stronger. Let's not forget that Jiraiya got rejected yet his feelings remains the same. That's what Naruto could end up doing. Clearly, Kishi made characters' aspects as a what if Naruto scenario.

I can go on longer, but I think I will take a break and eat lunch. Plus, I still think I should respond the manga thread.

@dovahkiin: I like that scene too. The funny thing is I always see it this way. First of all, she was depressed in many ways in Kage Summit arc. As the arc progresses, good news kept coming for her, like renewal hope for Team 7. Then, she learns about Tsunade waking up healthy. This is how I see it:

Naruto: What!? Really? She's awake!?
Sakura: Yeah! *Smiles*
Naruto: (She's smiling. This is a great day!) Yosh! I am more fired up now!

When you think about it, it seems that not only Tsunade is back is good news but the fact she's so happy means happy Naruto, which is why he was so pumped up. So much, he probably say Natsu's line (I'm all fired up!). I like the fact her smile got a panel, showing us that when she's happy, so should we. God, I love her smile. Happy wife, happy life. I mean think about it. Why Kishi show those panels? Interesting.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 13 September 2012 - 06:45 PM.

[Arachnia]

So you're doubting NaruSaku or something because of no interaction for that long. Okay, let's make this clear: this arc is the last defining moment for every minor characters. Now, we are in the process of the main character's situation. We already finished Sasuke, now we got Kakashi and Naruto, and soon Sakura once she arrives to the battlefield. Why does it take long? Well for reasons for people are bored with this arc, it's covering a bit too much with multiple characters all on one go. I don't mind but the pace is slow because of it. Let's see: we covered the return of first arc, the two brothers, Gaara's dad, other kages, Hanzou, Asuma, attack on the medic, Nagato, snippets on other bad guys (Kimimaro, Kakuzu), Sasori and Deidara, Madara, and so on. That's why people have grown tired of it. Because it covers almost too much. Now, we are finally in the main plot with Madara and Obito. Oh yeah, and we had the whole Kyuubi vs. Naruto and him meeting his mom. It's most likely that Kishi is ending every minor characters' moments, besides the one who is relevant to the story. It's a huge patient test, but now, it feels like we about to be paid off.

It's like I said before, we get developments on other characters in the middle, which it was in the middle for all K11. Hinata needed a development to her action back in Pain arc, so she received it. Now when you think about it, which thought held more to the plot? Sakura or Hinata? Hinata's thought can be either two things: she wants to Naruto's level of strength or she actually believe that she will be together with him. Sakura is more effective because she basically not only include herself of desire helping him since the end of part 1, but the fact she pointed out that his people/friends are in this together as well, which relevant to the plot because it's a sign of respect and team. You can say all you want about Hinata starting off first, but I think the reason why it did because not only she got the development she needed, but she also the last one in the group to get one, so the tension builds higher as the thought of Naruto continues on. You start off, then other will progress it further. It ended with Sakura because not only Kishi made her the obvious heroine of them all, but her quote has the most effect to Naruto's character. Not to mention, it actually connects to what Itachi said about MinaKushi. Hell, even Minato said that Kushina made him the Hokage. Naruto is bonded forever with Team 7 and Iruka. Yamato's quote makes sense and connects to MinaKushi. Sakura's feelings is what makes Naruto stronger. If that's the case, then it applies the same to Minato. Also, Jiraiya did say getting reject just make you stronger. Let's not forget that Jiraiya got rejected yet his feelings remains the same. That's what Naruto could end up doing. Clearly, Kishi made characters' aspects as a what if Naruto scenario.

I can go on longer, but I think I will take a break and eat lunch. Plus, I still think I should respond the manga thread.

@dovahkiin: I like that scene too. The funny thing is I always see it this way. First of all, she was depressed in many ways in Kage Summit arc. As the arc progresses, good news kept coming for her, like renewal hope for Team 7. Then, she learns about Tsunade waking up healthy. This is how I see it:

Naruto: What!? Really? She's awake!?
Sakura: Yeah! *Smiles*
Naruto: (She's smiling. This is a great day!) Yosh! I am more fired up now!

When you think about it, it seems that not only Tsunade is back is good news but the fact she's so happy means happy Naruto, which is why he was so pumped up. So much, he probably say Natsu's line (I'm all fired up!). I like the fact her smile got a panel, showing us that when she's happy, so should we. God, I love her smile. Happy wife, happy life. I mean think about it. Why Kishi show those panels? Interesting.

Nice theory

[Arachnia]

BTW those Kishi also make the naruto fillers and if not those he have a say in it? or is that done by rdm people. because if he those have a say in it wouldn'tepisode 235 shippuden say enought about how naruto feels and that he will trye hes hardest on winning her over?

Edited by Arachnia, 13 September 2012 - 07:35 PM.

[candycane-chan]

BTW those Kishi also make the naruto fillers and if not those he have a say in it? or is that done by rdm people. because if he those have a say in it wouldn'tepisode 235 shippuden say enought about how naruto feels and that he will trye hes hardest on winning her over?

kishi has nothing to do with the fillers that's just from the anime team

@NaruSaku4life3g: great post as usual you always seem to make me more positive with what's going on lately in the manga

[Arachnia]

kishi has nothing to do with the fillers that's just from the anime team

@NaruSaku4life3g: great post as usual you always seem to make me more positive with what's going on lately in the manga

oke but the anime team most make the story good right a filler is still part of the original story(naruto universe) of naruto so they cant go make a 180 of the original plan kishi had in mind or am i wrong here?

Edited by Arachnia, 13 September 2012 - 07:50 PM.

[T XD]

oke but the anime team most make the story good right a filler is still part of the original story(naruto universe) of naruto so the cant go make a 180 of the original plan kishi had in mind or am i wrong here?

The fillers have nothing to do with the original story of Naruto and they aren't in the original of kishi's cause as you see the episodes filler are not related with manga.
They are just episodes made by the anime team and sometimes they give fan service.

[ultranx]

My best friend is a neutral one that doesn't care about the naruto series, he watch the part 1 anime and didn't like it since naruto used rasengan so much that it was pretty predictable he would use rasengan as the finishing move he said. He doesn't care about pairings at all, too much craziness to him. Anyways, I showed him my copy of databook 3 from barnes and noble, a post on deviantart showing pretty much all of the sakura/narusaku character development shown here http://ultranx2010.d...fset=0#/d5ad348 , a post with all the sakura kushina paralels,and all the nh moments i could find. His response, NaruSaku is the most likely. so

Edited by ultranx, 13 September 2012 - 08:23 PM.

[Transformers03]

My best friend is a neutral one that doesn't care about the naruto series, he watch the part 1 anime and didn't like it since naruto used rasengan so much that it was pretty predictable he would use rasengan as the finishing move he said. He doesn't care about pairings at all, too much craziness to him. Anyways, I showed him my copy of databook 3 from barnes and noble, a post on deviantart showing pretty much all of the sakura/narusaku character development shown here http://ultranx2010.d...fset=0#/d5ad348 , a post with all the sakura kushina paralels,and all the nh moments i could find. His response, NaruSaku is the most likely. so

Yeah, but you just showed him the pro-narusaku moments, did you actually showed him the anti stuff too? If not, how can your friend predict the outcome without knowing the whole picture?

[Don-kun]

NaruSaku4life3g

I will be honest with you, NS was saying in the past that Sakura was not thinking about Sasuke so is almost 100% sure that NS will happen, but then we saw that we were wrong her love is still there, after NS were saying that Hinata smile to NS hug seems that she already accepted NS and Sakura for sure will be over Sasuke after he tried to kill her two more times, later Bam NS got slapped with chapter 540 then 559 later 573.

Now if you see my percentage for NS being the end pairing will be more than ok, since I think that NS has a 95% chance of happening, that is ok I never like being overconfident with anything until I'm 100% sure.

http://www.youtube.c...o...nel&list=UL

Now if you quit calling me doubter it would be nice, because all I'm doing if refuse being over confident and more open minded about stuff, do I strongly believe NS will happen? Yes. Do I have the argument? Yes. Will I try to relate every event with NS? NO. Am I 100% sure Kishi will go the NS way? NO.

[Arachnia]

NaruSaku4life3g

I will be honest with you, NS was saying in the past that Sakura was not thinking about Sasuke so is almost 100% sure that NS will happen, but then we saw that we were wrong her love is still there, after NS were saying that Hinata smile to NS hug seems that she already accepted NS and Sakura for sure will be over Sasuke after he tried to kill her two more times, later Bam NS got slapped with chapter 540 then 559 later 573.

Now if you see my percentage for NS being the end pairing will be more than ok, since I think that NS has a 95% chance of happening, that is ok I never like being overconfident with anything until I'm 100% sure.

http://www.youtube.c...o...nel&list=UL

Now if you quit calling me doubter it would be nice, because all I'm doing if refuse being over confident and more open minded about stuff, do I strongly believe NS will happen? Yes. Do I have the argument? Yes. Will I try to relate every event with NS? NO. Am I 100% sure Kishi will go the NS way? NO.

http://www.youtube.c...o...nel&list=UL

Yea i watched some reviews from him in the past some where fun some are a bit too much naruhina but hey:) if he likes it so much he has his rights and not gonna piss him off

Foreverworld has awsome reviews he is neutral on pairings! last video of him i watched he said hes not gonna go debate about lovers:P

Edited by Arachnia, 13 September 2012 - 08:52 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

NaruSaku4life3g

I will be honest with you, NS was saying in the past that Sakura was not thinking about Sasuke so is almost 100% sure that NS will happen, but then we saw that we were wrong her love is still there, after NS were saying that Hinata smile to NS hug seems that she already accepted NS and Sakura for sure will be over Sasuke after he tried to kill her two more times, later Bam NS got slapped with chapter 540 then 559 later 573.

Now if you see my percentage for NS being the end pairing will be more than ok, since I think that NS has a 95% chance of happening, that is ok I never like being overconfident with anything until I'm 100% sure.

http://www.youtube.c...o...nel&list=UL

Now if you quit calling me doubter it would be nice, because all I'm doing if refuse being over confident and more open minded about stuff, do I strongly believe NS will happen? Yes. Do I have the argument? Yes. Will I try to relate every event with NS? NO. Am I 100% sure Kishi will go the NS way? NO.

For the record, I was only kidding. I have no problem with you doubting. Don't get me, it's understandable. I know that there are moments that we felt like we were wrong. However, I extremely doubt that Kishi all the sudden will go with another pairing out of the blue. All the buildup is established and the world knows it. If he changes now, it will look foolish and bad on his end. That said it felt like the timing on Kishi's part is rather convenience. First of all, Hinata needed the answer to her previous development (saving him from Pain). So, she got it and now her speech tells us that she is complete. She grown confidence. I don't know if she really wants to hand literally or not, but I still don't see it as a threat at all. As for Sasuke, to be honest, it's for the plot purpose for Sakura. It seems like Kishi wants to prolong her love for him a little longer before the epic twist, that is falling in love with another. I have seen anime/manga that has done this process. There's no big twist from other standpoints, rather hurt the theme a lot. Ironic, isn't it? I don't have to explain, but if you want me to, I will.

I respect you of course. I can understand what are you feeling. Cheer up. At least we got something going on.

About the anime filler, yes they are not made by Kishi. Which beg the question, why the studio goes all out for NaruSaku? What if they're wrong? It doesn't seem like they can be wrong or rather, they know they're not. It's a mystery if you ask me. It's like they're saying, "Come on, guys. Isn't it obvious? Sigh. It was easy for Ichigo and Rukia. Quick, call those staff to make NaruSaku moments..." So yeah. As for the latest movie, yes, Kishi made that movie and that's why people were so hyped to see his intention on pairings. Yeah...victory...

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 13 September 2012 - 09:20 PM.