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[NarutoUzumaki01]

like i said, a real fan wouldn't bother with this garbage, even with ns happening. and no, changing it to ns wouldn't be good. it would only show them trying to beg their real fans to come back and support the series. what respectable ns fan would accept ns after this travesty? i wouldn't. kishi can kitten off for all i care. let this series continue to rot, which is already happening. 

That's what I'm talking about, If some was unhappy about NS only, now... many people saw all the BS of ending, and changing only something like pairing - won't do kitten.

[TerrorKing]

I'm guessing because he's watching the Last.

Ah yes. That makes sense. Well good luck. It seems like he's going to need it. 

 

I have same opinion, many people saw flaws of Naruto, but every one had something that was precious to them and let them see above those holes. For me it was Naruto and NS relationship, Kishimoto robbed on both. And secondary charcters like Kakashi/Nagato and others...

The quality of the series has been declining for years, yet people still held on hoping that we would at least get a somewhat decent ending. I mean really, it takes a special level of incompetence to not only kitten up your ending, but then actively go on to basically deconstruct everything that you've spent 15 years building. That's why I don't believe Kishi when he says that this was all planned. I simply can't believe that someone can be that stupid. 

 

I agree about Naruto and NS. Those were some of the best developed elements in this series. No matter what, Naruto always retained his never-give-up attitude. Furthermore, he never cheapened NS by showing Naruto falling for other girls or showing signs that it was all about rivalry (lol). That's why the ending is so bad.  

[Nar123]

I don't understand what made him change his mind other than him not being strong enough to do it.

I cant understand either :/

He just gave up

this and the fact that he just happened to create feelings for sakura make him OOC too

[luffyq1]

That's what I'm talking about, If some was unhappy about NS only, now... many people saw all the BS of ending, and changing only something like pairing - won't do kitten.

with that cover of nh/mk, i highly doubt they would change ns to regain what credibility they think they'll earn. fixing the ships isn't the only holes in this series. and they are too deep into nh right now, so changing it to ns would probably cause more harm than good. well it doesn't matter anymore, series has been in decline for years now so w/e. 

[tekopi]

But yeah, shounen fans tend to just take what's given to them and just accept it. For instance, Naruto's ending. Also I personally hated Naruto v. Sasuke so much yet people will still be content about it because they set low standards. But readers deserve elaborate, well-written stories, don't you think?

 

For my part, I think it is more or less like that. When the manga was finished, I try to ask my uncle's opinion (since he was also follower of it) on how Kishi  executes his controversial epilogue. He just snort and say, "ehh, seems okay to me," and he randomly ask "why, you're not satisfied with it? Is it because of the pairing? Or Naruto didn't end up with Sakura?" I was...where that come from, I want to ask his opinion on story-wise and how the end was shown to be inconsistent and all  . But unlike one other friend of mine, he openly said that the ending was surely a turn-off and very uninteresting for the same reason that we all know it. I can't make conclusion because this was not valid since the average for it can't be made from just two (excluding my own) different opinions, but from it, it shows mixed reviews did exist compared to just a total acceptance for shonen followers.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

The quality of the series has been declining for years, yet people still held on hoping that we would at least get a somewhat decent ending. I mean really, it takes a special level of incompetence to not only kitten up your ending, but then actively go on to basically deconstruct everything that you've spent 15 years building. That's why I don't believe Kishi when he says that this was all planned. I simply can't believe that someone can be that stupid. 

 

I agree about Naruto and NS. Those were some of the best developed elements in this series. No matter what, Naruto always retained his never-give-up attitude. Furthermore, he never cheapened NS by showing Naruto falling for other girls or showing signs that it was all about rivalry (lol). That's why the ending is so bad.  

We have similar way of thinking 

But one intresting thing. Kishimoto did some good work on picturing core of characters. Till the very end I didn't even get an idea of Sasuke being in love with Sakura, never even once I thinked of that, not because of SS fandom, before 698 I wasn't even into this whole pairing war. But because characters were clear, Naruto loved Sakura, Sakura had crush on Sasuke and romantic feelings for Naruto, Sasuke was first was avenger, psycho, then lost soul, then avenger again then hokage, ther revolutioner... eh.

But Kishimoto in the end used some kittened up excuses of "rivaly", "mislead", "only crush" and etc. I give that to him, nothing of that went for NS before, even glimpse of it.

[RedFaction]

I cant understand either :/

He just gave up

this and the fact that he just happened to create feelings for sakura make him OOC too

I'd hate to say it but if Sasuke had killed Sakura in 693 I honestly think that could have led to a better ending than this one...

[NarutoUzumaki01]

I'd hate to say it but if Sasuke had killed Sakura in 693 I honestly think that could have led to a better ending than this one...

Then Naruto would kill him, in one shot, lmao

But really, what kind of ending you can picture? If that even possible?

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 31 January 2015 - 03:17 AM.

[FireFox]

Sasuke obviously was going to be redeemed , no way kishimoto was going to kill him . His redemption though was messy , since he saved the world but he did because he eventually wanted to rule the world himself.
Sasuke motives are understantable , his methods were wrong , but i expected him to keep his drive towards changing the system ...in the end he lost even this in favour of everything staying the same

Yes It was expected for him  to be redeemed  bc of reasons  what you're forgetting is there is more then one way of redemption  one of the is Death so yeah thematically it could have been done and fitted into the story .

 

I wouldn't say he saved the world bc 1 what you said and 2  Naruto beat him for it which means forcing him and 3. He barely did anything in this war in fact since the moment he arrived he spend  half of his time sitting on his royal ass .  If it weren't for the stupid brother reincarnation kitten  Sasuke would have been totally irrelevant in this war  basically he was only relevant bc of his " hand seal " kittening stupid . 

 

I'm not talking about him motives his motives are utter kitten and means  little to none for me what I'm talking about is the consequences  of his actions and that in the end Sasuke was Villain  and he should have been punished either by Death like all the freaking Villains or Eternal Jail  not  for his deeds to be brushed of and letting him of the hook  that's all .

[Gaara's hair]

I'd hate to say it but if Sasuke had killed Sakura in 693 I honestly think that could have led to a better ending than this one...

It would make it more interesting

[Aizen-Sama]

I've watched it. The people who haven't watched it already know all the BS that happens, so there is no point in watching it other than to laugh at how bad it really is.

The only reason I haven't watched the Last is because my computer's kittened up. Once I fix it let the games begin. XD

[RedFaction]

Then Naruto would kill him, in one shot, lmao

But really, what kind of ending you can picture? If that even possible?

Well, like you said Sasuke would be killed by Naruto which would be plus for me or at least he would have ended up in prison since I don't think Naruto would forgive him. Oh and no SasuSaku.

Edited by RedFaction, 31 January 2015 - 03:19 AM.

[luffyq1]

I'd hate to say it but if Sasuke had killed Sakura in 693 I honestly think that could have led to a better ending than this one...

go out beautifully like konan. sakura must be jealous of her, she got to leave this kitten series. 

[NarutoUzumaki01]

I wouldn't say he saved the world bc 1 what you said and 2  Naruto beat him for it which means forcing him and 3. He barely did anything in this war in fact since the moment he arrived he spend  half of his time sitting on his royal ass .  If it weren't for the stupid brother reincarnation kitten  Sasuke would have been totally irrelevant in this war  basically he was only relevant bc of his " hand seal " kittening stupid . 

 

I'm not talking about him motives his motives are utter kitten and means  little to none for me what I'm talking about is the consequences  of his actions and that in the end Sasuke was Villain  and he should have been punished either by Death like all the freaking Villains or Eternal Jail  not  for his deeds to be brushed of and letting him of the hook  that's all .

You ram Sasuke's character in the wall 

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Well, like you said Sasuke would be killed by Naruto which would be plus for me or at least he would have ended up in prison since I don't think Naruto would forgive him. Oh and no SasuSaku.

Eh... that would be something horrible for Naruto's character, one who wanted to save his friend, ended up saving everyone except those who was precious to him. Something of Yakuza 1  (PS2) ending calibr.

[luffyq1]

The only reason I haven't watched the Last is because my computer's kittened up. Once I fix it let the games begin. XD

the last might kitten up your computer again based off how awful it is.

[Pix]

Oh, really? Hope it won't have that, I saw what hype doing to good series, so... what's you think with execution is horrible? I'm really intrested in your opinion about this. 
N vs S was... well, let's say that only part of it that was ok - Naruto's punch. Whole part 2 was hyper for 4.5 chapters of half-assed fight that's didn't deliver even part of what fight back in part 1 showed.

I have mad issues with Nanatsu no Taizai. If you think the women in Narruto are written bad, they don't even compare to how female characters are portrayed in NnT. And the romance is written just as badly as NH/SS was. Unrequited love interests and then all of a sudden "hey I like you now I changed my mind over the course of one night  " Also the plot twists are so horrible. Nobody's really a "bad guy" in this story because they all get justified (kind of like Meruem from HxH). Like I really want to elaborate on it but I don't want to spoil for other people. Just know I wouldn't recommend it to anybody. 

 

And yes, everything you said about N v. S was on point, as usual. :)

[Nar123]

For my part, I think it is more or less like that. When the manga was finished, I try to ask my uncle's opinion (since he was also follower of it) on how Kishi  executes his controversial epilogue. He just snort and say, "ehh, seems okay to me," and he randomly ask "why, you're not satisfied with it? Is it because of the pairing? Or Naruto didn't end up with Sakura?" I was...where that come from, I want to ask his opinion on story-wise and how the end was shown to be inconsistent and all  . But unlike one other friend of mine, he openly said that the ending was surely a turn-off and very uninteresting for the same reason that we all know it. I can't make conclusion because this was not valid since the average for it can't be made from just two (excluding my own) different opinions, but from it, it shows mixed reviews did exist compared to just a total acceptance for shonen followers.

Your uncle is probably only a casual fan , he most likely didnt care about the story that much , he might have cared some day long ago but it looks like he lost focus on naruto , a lot of friends of mine turned out like this too.

[RedFaction]

Eh... that would be something horrible for Naruto's character, one who wanted to save his friend, ended up saving everyone except those who was precious to him. Something of Yakuza 1  (PS2) ending calibr.

Then there would be actual reasons behind why he seems so sad and depressed in chapter 700.

[Pix]

Wow I hate Sakura right now. I heard what she said about Naruto. Like bish Naruto loved you for years how dare you say that about him.