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[rocci]

Oh and Rtn is truly kishi work more than the last.
Don't forget that Rtn replace the movie that become a filler arc.

[Bail o' Lies]

"Whats your opinion on this tv tropes post as labeled word of god never said that." Never said what? Just for notice before I read any further. I'm just going to assume that they are talking about the interviews over the past year. OK. Their were multiple people that translated those interviews. They didn't just come from one source. We even used to have at least one member on this site that was Japanese who translated some of the interviews or at least read the raws and said yes those translations are accurate. Some people are tumbler can read Japanese or are Japanese read the raw and confirmed the translation were accurate. If a bit too polite in most case cause what kishi was actually saying was even more damaging then what was being translated. At least according to some people. Some people on here still have friends in Japan that confirmed the translation were accurate. Their are too many people saying the same thing for it to be entirely wrong. They don't have an agenda like the pro-ender to cover for kishi in order to protect their sexual fantasies. The people that were translating (or confirming the translation) it were basically going "yes, this is what kishimoto is saying...my god, he is an idiot." While they may like the idea of dragging kishi through the mud. I trust them far more then I trust nH or SS fans who seem to have nothing backing up their clam other then the translations being "salty."

 

"During the fandom meltdown surrounding the resolution of the series' Romance Arcs, several "translations" of Word Of God were strategically circulated that were so out of touch with the original source that they had to have been deliberately engineered to cause grief, facilitate denial and mislead impressionable minds." That reads like a new paper article trying to attack a politician or event or a bill. Fandom meltdown to both mock and dramatize our out rage. Strategically circulated makes it sound like it was a plot orchestrated by the translators in order to get us angry. Out of touch to make it sound like the translators were delusional and wrong or crazy. "Deliberately engineered to cause grief, facilitate denial and mislead impressionable minds" make sound like we were gullible chimps that bought into said manipulations.

 

"Those consisted of a myriad in-universe and out-of-universe disheartening "true" reasons that the Official Couple got together(?) - it was only because one of them felt sorry for the other and settled for her as a consolation prize (wasn't that the reason kishi gave at the time of the last movie release?); it only happened because of Executive Meddling and the author caving in to fan demands; the TRUE love standing in its way was there and mutual, but it never got to materialize merely due to some tragic misunderstanding, or ill-conceived and needless martyrdom on the part of the characters - the author failed to follow through on it on a vindictive whim(didn't kishi admit that he stopped using sakura because he got soo much hate mail about her even from kids that dishearten him and he keeps stating he doesn't get why hinata is so popular), or because his hand was forced."...BAH Second verse same as the first, but mocking some of our theories. i'm just highlighting now and will save the rest of my thought for the end unless i find something I really want to comment on.

 

"Compared to all of this, the truth is ridiculously banal; the Official Couple got together in the usual way that fictional couples do — because the author decided it would be great if they were to fall in love(out of pity and the second pair he describe as toxic, says the woman is like a drug addict in the relationship, and he wonder why they are still together), so they did. No reservations(which is why he waited for the last chapter for them to get together and for the movie to put them together instead of having them interact throughout the series), no cynical "yeah, but"s about it. Some of the "true" alternate explanations were just fabricated whole-cloth; others were "inspired" by actual Word Of God that had little resemblance (<-they spelled this wrong) to them, and instead described considerations that are much less scandalous and are par-for-the-course for the occasion. e.g. "if this character doesn't get with this other character her entire arc becomes kind of pointless", or "the decision to go this way was made long ago anyway, I toyed with other possibilities for a while just to throw fans off"."

 

Kishimoto's close involvement with the production of the movie Naruto the Movie: Road to Ninja which is heavily loaded with Naruto/Sakura Ship Teasing(which is true and he said that it was "everything he couldn't do in the manga" this was years ago or are they going to start saying those translations were wrong), made a lot of their shippers to claim that "The movie is Kishi's baby written by him, that means he supports the ship!", in reality Kishimoto was only involved with the characters' designs and story draft(that would be the last), while the actual script of the movie was done by Yuka Mikata, who's (in)famous for her Naruto/Sakura-teasing scene additions to the anime filler. (In the Road wiki it's says story by kishi meaning he thought up the story and she wrote it...in the last it's says based on kishi work so he didn't write it. he had no story involvement with the last)

 

When the series was reaching its end, quite a few fans claimed that Kishimoto had confirmed that in the ending Naruto would have a son named Shinachiku, based on an interview made during the promotion of the aforementioned Road To Ninja movie; in reality during the interview Kishimoto when asked if Naruto would have a child how would he call him, he answered that probably Shinachiku. The real names for Naruto's children turned out to be Boruto and Himawari."

 

 

This read like I said before a news paper article or a blog written by some brat out of college attack some political view point they didn't like. Most of the stuff i underline were the lines that reminded me of those articles (or where stuff I was commenting on in these). What these post are trying to do is use big fancy words to convince/manipulate people to believe their side of the story, dismissing kishi's interviews translations as false, and to mock us.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 20 February 2016 - 11:06 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Oh and Rtn is truly kishi work more than the last.
Don't forget that Rtn replace the movie that become a filler arc.

Just to help prove your case on the wiki it said. The road movie story by Kishi. The last has based on Kishi. So kishi came up with the story for the road movie and only help with the designs for the last.

[Bail o' Lies]

Oh right Yuka Mikata was the person they (western nH/ss fans) hate so much that they petition for her to be fired.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 20 February 2016 - 08:59 AM.

[Hanabi]

rant about the yuka hate

i always laugh when the nh/ss shippers bring up yuka mikata as if she is confirmed to be a staunch supporter of NS.. and so she should be hated for being a studio pierrot staff + ns fan

 

here are the facts

-yuka did not create the minakushi-narusaku parallel out of thin air

 

-yuka did not give sakura special filler moves 

 

-yuka did not dedicate whole episode of filler backstories for sakura 

 

compared to her, we know for a fact that 

-there are a lot of episodes where many other studio pierrot staff admitted hinata is their fave

 

-hinata is given a whole lot of filler moves, she can heal, and she basically took over the role of sasuke by combining her blue purple hamura chakra with naruto's attack

 

-you would think the sad backstory with her father would be enough, but no. the scene where she is bullied by the academy kids, and getting saved by naruto, is created by studio pierrot. first shown in the pain confession and again referenced in the last, a movie that kishi clearly said was proposed by studio pierrot

 

-kishi has said that those working with him has loud voices going "hinata" "hinata". it doesn't take a genius to figure out those people are studio pierrot.

 

those haters just hating for the sake of it is quite amusing, jumping on the bandwagon to attack an individual staff just because the popular nh/ss fans suspect her for liking ns.. what a horrendous crime! they're downright delusional lmao

Edited by Hanabi, 20 February 2016 - 10:11 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Rika here a thing to remember TV Tropes anyone with an account could edit or add a post like that. What you have is a nH that hopes that people on TV Tropes will read that without reading any of the interview and will believe every word they written. Also since most anti-ender aren't going over to the Naruto page anymore their not deleting things like that so pro-ending sentiment have flourished. 

 

 

Here is the best counters to that with out even counting in the interviews. If Kishi wanted hinata to be the main character and love interest to the hero why wasn't she on team 7? Why did she only get involved with the plot for short burst then fall into the back ground? Why is kishi leaving Naruto and handing the reins over to one of his assistance (one of the constant things he mention in his interview is he is tired of Naruto)? Why did he wait for a movie to finalize the romance? Why has hinata been appearing less then she was before, after the last got release? Why did she do so little in Bolt movie? Why was she only in one image in the gaiden? Why was Naruto's hokage coronation ruined and the one shot was more about his daughter? Why did Sakura get to interact with Minato and not hinata?

 

Beyond that if Naruto ending was successful. Why is Naruto numbers falling in Japan? They can read Kishi interview no problem, and don't need a translator. So they can read the interview on their own without some evil anti-ender corrupting kishi's simple pure and honest words. Yet people who have friends in Japan have keep saying. That people are leaving Naruto in droves or they are only sticking around for the Sasuke Naruto fight. And some of the reason are the ending, the last, what the anime been doing the past year, and the interviews.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 21 February 2016 - 12:32 AM.

[NeonRanger]

I don't read nor watch the movie, but from what little I get salad is liked sakura. She's pretty much sakura uchiha.

 

Exactly. But they like her because she doesn't hate Boruto from the beginning compared to Sakura in chapter 3. She also doesn't have a crush like Sasuke and she's friendly if you can call it that. 

 

as for the Boruto SD, they don't declare it canon, since the whole Hinata stalking chapter and in Bolt SD he pees on Sasuke on that chapter,  so if I was going to show them that I will just get into a debate about what's canon. NH also have a love/hate the SD author because despite the little NH moments, they hate how he trashes Hinata at times. And her trashes all characters.

 

FirstEvil100, I agree that the male NH shippers don't like Sakura. They are the main ones who would hate Sarada the minute she put her hands on Bolt since the new Bolt manga is "canon" (Kishi approved). Though a lot of female NH shippers feel the same way. Honestly from what I read on Tumblr and in movie review for Bolt, a lot of NH just hope Sarada doesn't end up hitting Bolt as they were disappointed in Gaiden that Sakura ended up being mother and having similar traits. And I was surprised that they would even wish that considering that Hinata has gotten everything.

 

thats really why I loathe NH more than SS, or Hinata fans in general, a lot were actually hoping that Sakura isn't the mother. Some people didn't want Sakura to be the mother because it wouldn't make sense to the plot. But for a lot of NH wankers they laughed and called Hinata the most developed female with the best ending. They obviously wanted Hinata to come out on top. They already harassed me on Tumblr a couple times, shoving all the NH moments on NNS4. And then I remember an NH shipper creating the mental institution petition and one going on every NS fanart on DA saying that they not canon. And an NH shipper created some gif of slapping chatte and ladygt in the face. So when I saw them complain about Sarada, I was just put off and questioned why to they got canon. They are the only fandom I can't stand because of their arrogance.

[NeonRanger]

No Kishi had the same involved meant as he did RtN and The Last, he only gave ideas and character designs. People call it semi canon because RtN and The Last were actual productions that involved Kishi for the first time. But Kishi never declared RtN as canon and for The Last, he said that he hopes the movie answers questions, so you can tell that it's not canon either since he wasn't as involved as NH claims. 

 

Boruto is the only movie that is canon and Kishi officially declared canon, as this is the first movie in which he created the script, made manga draft panels, and told people that he wants them to watch the movie. And it's noticeable that it's Kishi work because of the amount of SNS, Sasuke, and lack of Hinata. Kishi is only about the Uchihas and SNS, why do you think the SNS fandom is getting a drama CD by Junko and Non-tan. 

 

I dont know how he and his editors got to this point because part 1 was good, now it's  SNS wanking with a side of Hyuuga (Hinata) wanking from SP and CC2.

Edited by NeonRanger, 20 February 2016 - 11:39 AM.

[Phantom_999]

I'm just gonna go out on a whim here and ask "so what were the translations for the interviews?" I fogot cause Ididn't even bothere reading them so I'm just curious on what was said

[TouKen4Life3g]

I guess her like in USA will decrease when Boruto starts. That or she goes another transformation. She keeps changing.

[Bail o' Lies]

 

Exactly. But they like her because she doesn't hate Boruto from the beginning compared to Sakura in chapter 3. She also doesn't have a crush like Sasuke and she's friendly if you can call it that. 

 

as for the Boruto SD, they don't declare it canon, since the whole Hinata stalking chapter and in Bolt SD he pees on Sasuke on that chapter,  so if I was going to show them that I will just get into a debate about what's canon. NH also have a love/hate the SD author because despite the little NH moments, they hate how he trashes Hinata at times. And her trashes all characters.

 

FirstEvil100, I agree that the male NH shippers don't like Sakura. They are the main ones who would hate Sarada the minute she put her hands on Bolt since the new Bolt manga is "canon" (Kishi approved). Though a lot of female NH shippers feel the same way. Honestly from what I read on Tumblr and in movie review for Bolt, a lot of NH just hope Sarada doesn't end up hitting Bolt as they were disappointed in Gaiden that Sakura ended up being mother and having similar traits. And I was surprised that they would even wish that considering that Hinata has gotten everything.

 

That's really why I loathe NH more than SS, or Hinata fans in general, a lot were actually hoping that Sakura isn't the mother. Some people didn't want Sakura to be the mother because it wouldn't make sense to the plot. But for a lot of NH wankers they laughed and called Hinata the most developed female with the best ending. They obviously wanted Hinata to come out on top. They already harassed me on Tumblr a couple times, shoving all the NH moments on NNS4. And then I remember an NH shipper creating the mental institution petition and one going on every NS fanart on DA saying that they not canon. And an NH shipper created some gif of slapping chatte and ladygt in the face. So when I saw them complain about Sarada, I was just put off and questioned why to they got canon. They are the only fandom I can't stand because of their arrogance.

SS are tolerable people. They have poor taste (and are annoying) but they are tolerable. The fanatics in nH are a bunch of toxic filth and they always have been that both males and females. It's one of the reasons I went from neutral about the pairing to pro NS. They are the reason why All Naruto debates became about the pairings. I never wanted them to get what they wanted because I knew how they would behave.

 

As for whether or not the SD and the movie are canon doesn't matter. They are clearly setting it up. It's obvious they are testing the water because nH was a flop -but they don't want to admit it or go back and change the ending- and they want to go back to NS(and SNS) which was their big seller for years. So they hope that making BS a copy of NS will bring back the old paying fans and make Bolt a success. Which means making Salad like Sakura. Meaning making her a tsundere. Which means Salad hits Bolt in manga. ...Unless that pedophile goes against that.

 

No Kishi had the same involved meant as he did RtN and The Last, he only gave ideas and character designs. People call it semi canon because RtN and The Last were actual productions that involved Kishi for the first time. But Kishi never declared RtN as canon and for The Last, he said that he hopes the movie answers questions, so you can tell that it's not canon either since he wasn't as involved as NH claims. 

 

Boruto is the only movie that is canon and Kishi officially declared canon, as this is the first movie in which he created the script, made manga draft panels, and told people that he wants them to watch the movie. And it's noticeable that it's Kishi work because of the amount of SNS, Sasuke, and lack of Hinata. Kishi is only about the Uchihas and SNS, why do you think the SNS fandom is getting a drama CD by Junko and Non-tan. 

 

I don't know how he and his editors got to this point because part 1 was good, now it's  SNS wanking with a side of Hyuuga (Hinata) wanking from SP and CC2.

Did I ever say Kishi didn't write the bolt movie? I said kishi came up with the story for the road (though character designs don't really matter since they were other then Menma and Sakura's parents they were just taken from the manga and anime). Yuka then wrote the script. In The Last kishi did the character designs but left the story up to SP. He doesn't have the same editor as he did in part one. The first editor Yahagi left after the hunt for itachi arc and kishi had like 12 editors since then.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 20 February 2016 - 01:54 PM.

[rocci]

@touken
Who is she? Salad?
Well, she's sasuke daughter after all.
When did that guy ever have consistency?

[VanitasDS76491]

If only we did have Shinachiku. 

Yes I agreed he and Hanami would fix everything. Since they are more interesting than Bolt or useless Himawari those little monsters.

[VanitasDS76491]

Wow I mean wow this just show how sexist NH fans or the males all are they just hate strong woman.

That is sad and shows how far the series has gotten and it makes me worry about Bleach and Fairy Tail if what happens in Naruto will happened to those two.

 

Do people hate Rukia when she hits Ichigo or Erza when she hits Natsu or Gray?

 

Also Sakura is one of the ones who can Keep Naruto in line and he needs to be kept in line, cause we Hinata has done a bang up job at it so far and that is to say not at all. But then again she can't put Sasuke in his place for kitten plot reasons. Why do I like this series still?

 

Hell Erza as well as Mikasa form Attack on Titan are two of  my favorite characters cause they have a character and develop and are interesting and Mikasa has an obsession with Eren but it's done way better and unlike Hinata, Mikasa is not useless. Still wait for Mikasa to go Titan cause that would be interesting to see.
 

[rocci]

@neon
Oh so she's truly sakura uchiha.
I always thought that she would be a female version of sasuke.
And burito x salad would be hetero narusasu.

Sd is not canon.
The last is canon.
Rtn isn't canon, but it doesn't change the fact that kishi play a part in production to the point sp need to scrap chikara movie to make Rtn.
It become the chikara arc. You don't make that kind of quality episode with regular budget.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

That is sad and shows how far the series has gotten and it makes me worry about Bleach and Fairy Tail if what happens in Naruto will happened to those two.

 

Do people hate Rukia when she hits Ichigo or Erza when she hits Natsu or Gray?

 

Also Sakura is one of the ones who can Keep Naruto in line and he needs to be kept in line, cause we Hinata has done a bang up job at it so far and that is to say not at all. But then again she can't put Sasuke in his place for kitten plot reasons. Why do I like this series still?

 

Hell Erza as well as Mikasa form Attack on Titan are two of  my favorite characters cause they have a character and develop and are interesting and Mikasa has an obsession with Eren but it's done way better and unlike Hinata, Mikasa is not useless. Still wait for Mikasa to go Titan cause that would be interesting to see.
 

That's why, whenever anyone brings up Sakura's "abuse" of Naruto, all you have to do is ask/comment, "Then you must never have seen any anime except for Naruto(?)"

Because I am sure that many of the NH extremists who hate Sakura's "abuse" love a female(s) from another series(') that "abuses" the male lead (or whoever their pairing fodder is) just as bad if not worse than Sakura does Naruto. It's the typical double standard for people like them. If it's ever their own likes that do something the same as what they claim to hate, then it's always "different" somehow.

As for Mikasa, unlike Hinata, she actually does what she can to get stronger in order to protect Eren. She doesn't obsess over getting his love, she doesn't throw herself in front of Titan attacks just to save him and confess while believing she/everyone else is going to die, etc.

[MangaReader]

Then there's these types of as*holes... you know, the ones who claim you simply cannot read or see what's going on. 

 

Damn Image is too large

 

This has literally got to be the worst argument to ever accuse someone of because it's such a cop out move and can be thrown around like pillows. It doesn't help your case, it proves you suck at finding your own proof, and it's just an embarrassment in a debate. Just going of this image, apparently anyone who likes NaruSaku is illiterate, immature, and/or paid no attention to Part 1 of the story, while SS fans are "genius", can comprehend "storytelling", and read Part 1 in full detail.... Yeah, mhmm, tell me again how Sasuke was just hiding his feelings for Sakura this whole time would ya? Or better yet, please explain to me why Naruto's and Sasuke's feelings don't matter at all? Maybe they could explain chapter 3 to me since I seem to recall the big reason Sakura started liking Sasuke more was because Naruto impersonated Sasuke the wrong way (talking through his own feelings instead of making Sasuke out to be the jerk that he was). And even if this scenario is suppose to mean Sakura loves Sasuke (like we all knew for Christ-sake), it doesn't mean it was a good love. What this image fails to prove and what this ship in general fails to prove is Sasuke's feelings in all of this, not one time can you pin point Sasuke doing anything selfless for Sakura, nor can you showcase one time Sasuke is shown comforting Sakura, unless Naruto's name is involved. 

 

But I'm just a lowly, illiterate child who clearly wasn't capable of seeing the big picture.

[Hanabi]

Then there's these types of as*holes... you know, the ones who claim you simply cannot read or see what's going on. 

 

Damn Image is too large

 

This has literally got to be the worst argument to ever accuse someone of because it's such a cop out move and can be thrown around like pillows. It doesn't help your case, it proves you suck at finding your own proof, and it's just an embarrassment in a debate. Just going of this image, apparently anyone who likes NaruSaku is illiterate, immature, and/or paid no attention to Part 1 of the story, while SS fans are "genius", can comprehend "storytelling", and read Part 1 in full detail.... Yeah, mhmm, tell me again how Sasuke was just hiding his feelings for Sakura this whole time would ya? Or better yet, please explain to me why Naruto's and Sasuke's feelings don't matter at all? Maybe they could explain chapter 3 to me since I seem to recall the big reason Sakura started liking Sasuke more was because Naruto impersonated Sasuke the wrong way (talking through his own feelings instead of making Sasuke out to be the jerk that he was). And even if this scenario is suppose to mean Sakura loves Sasuke (like we all knew for Christ-sake), it doesn't mean it was a good love. What this image fails to prove and what this ship in general fails to prove is Sasuke's feelings in all of this, not one time can you pin point Sasuke doing anything selfless for Sakura, nor can you showcase one time Sasuke is shown comforting Sakura, unless Naruto's name is involved. 

 

But I'm just a lowly, illiterate child who clearly wasn't capable of seeing the big picture.

still amazed at the diehard fans who thought everything is set down in stone from the very start, that other options are invalid..

 

kishimoto himself said he has considered both ns and nh, what's there to argue about..

Edited by Hanabi, 20 February 2016 - 08:49 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@touken
Who is she? Salad?
Well, she's sasuke daughter after all.
When did that guy ever have consistency?

Yes. I don't know but that redesign is a sign. I just know it.

[catsi563]

Sarada was so clearly meant to be Sasuke and Karins daughter it isnt even funny. the asspull required to make her Sasuke and Sakuras spawn is just absurd.