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[Catra]

i didn't like tobi being the villain behind the leader concept, i still remember face palming the first time i saw that. he's no joker thats for sure.

 

akatsuki was supposed to be NARUTO'S villains. but then tobi turned out to be an uchiha who then recruited sasuke and bam its all about the uchiha now. the uchiha should have ended with the sasuke vs itachi fight. its why i concider chapter 450 the real ending, all you gotta do is say "sasuke died with itachi", "there was no tobi as madada" "team 8 actually fought and killed zetsu while kakashi and yamato killed kisame"

 

yes you wouldn't get

naruto befriending kurama and getting that awesome bijuu mode moment

naruto meeting his mom

sakura's cpr scene,

the edo hokage moments

the fun madara moments

the hashirama and minato flashbacks

eight gate gai

 

but for the sake of a solid ending that did everything it set out to do, naruto getting respect from the whole village while getting the girl he always wanted as the icing on the cake, im ok with that. the flashbacks could be side stories.

Edited by Catra, 15 January 2016 - 05:24 PM.

[EmperorZeo]

All Star Wars movies have flaws. Actually all movies have flaws; just like all stories have flaws.

Lucas screwed up big time with the decision to film almost everything in a green or blue screen room with his latest movies. That's the major flaw the prequels have. Another problem is his choice or whoever picked some of the actors. Apart from that if you actually look at the original ones and then the prequels you'll realize they mirror each other. Or as Lucas himself said echo each other.  

Actually the whole green screen/blue screen argument isn't really a valid one. The prequels actually used more practical affects than the originals. Episode I alone had more set pieces than the entire original trilogy combined. III was the only movie in the series to use more digital affects than practical. The originals also used a ton of blue screen. Scenes were enhanced using things like realistic animation and puppetry. It made sense to eventually replace these with CGI, most of the time it ended up looking better.  Star Wars has always been on the cutting edge of special affects. In truth, many people often can tell the difference between what is CGI and what is real. 

 

Edited by EmperorZeo, 16 January 2016 - 01:26 AM.

[Catra]

lol cgi pear from episode 2

[rocci]

@catra
Sasuke use almost all his chakra to the point his sharingan turn off, then he turn out to be survive by using high level jutsu that require big chakra and genjutsu the snake with sharingan. That's the plot hole.

"Tobi is obito" is never a problem to me. It's the flashback thing that ruin the story. Ex : Why don't kishi make :
1. Zetsu saved obito instead using sharingan power.
2. Explanation about obito sudden growth spur when he's still 14-15 years old while Kakashi and the gang still short.
3. Proper explanation about his backstory instead rushing it in a chapter.
4. The freaking timeline.
5. Retconing many data from databook, and it's not even good.

Tobi is obito still make him enemy of naruto since he's naruto clone aka naruto uchiha.

Obito need sasuke because of rinnegan. Only sasuke who's capable to awaken rinnegan since he already have EMS. Tobi only have ms.

[Nostradamus]

Actually the whole green screen/blue screen argument isn't really a valid one. The prequels actually used more practical affects than the originals. Episode I alone had more set pieces than the entire original trilogy combined. III was the only movie in the series to use more digital affects than practical. The originals also used a ton of blue screen. Scenes were enhanced using things like realistic animation and puppetry. It made sense to eventually replace these with CGI, most of the time it ended up looking better.  Star Wars has always been on the cutting edge of special affects. In truth, many people often can tell the difference between what is CGI and what is real. 

 

Truth is when I saw them in the cinema, I didn't mind the CGI.

[rocci]

OT :

Cgi is the future, until new technology replace it.
I still don't get why people hate on it.
It just a tool.

[Nostradamus]

OT :

Cgi is the future, until new technology replace it.
I still don't get why people hate on it.
It just a tool.

It's not the tool we hate. It's the use of it in some cases. That combined with simple truth that CGI doesn't age as well as practical effects.

[Catra]

they're both special effects. tools, a means of telling a story.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@catra
Sasuke use almost all his chakra to the point his sharingan turn off, then he turn out to be survive by using high level jutsu that require big chakra and genjutsu the snake with sharingan. That's the plot hole.

"Tobi is obito" is never a problem to me. It's the flashback thing that ruin the story. Ex : Why don't kishi make :
1. Zetsu saved obito instead using sharingan power.
2. Explanation about obito sudden growth spur when he's still 14-15 years old while Kakashi and the gang still short.
3. Proper explanation about his backstory instead rushing it in a chapter.
4. The freaking timeline.
5. Retconing many data from databook, and it's not even good.

Tobi is obito still make him enemy of naruto since he's naruto clone aka naruto uchiha.

Obito need sasuke because of rinnegan. Only sasuke who's capable to awaken rinnegan since he already have EMS. Tobi only have ms.

He never said he wanted him for Rinnengan. You can only imply he does but it wasn't clear. Remember, he went to get Nagato's eyes because it was "his." Why go back if you are set with Sasuke or whatever? So that seems like a dropped plot line.

[Catra]

we can all agree that tobi was a mess of a plot line though right?

[TouKen4Life3g]

we can all agree that tobi was a mess of a plot line though right?

If he wasn't Madara, yes.

[totherpage95]

 

lucas had plans for the future of star wars but after selling to disney those weren't used. jj abrams says he doesn't intend to change the science of star wars from what it was yet he has rey be overpowered and has kylo ren have a couple new abilities like freezing someone

Edited by totherpage95, 16 January 2016 - 05:02 AM.

[rocci]

He never said he wanted him for Rinnengan. You can only imply he does but it wasn't clear. Remember, he went to get Nagato's eyes because it was "his." Why go back if you are set with Sasuke or whatever? So that seems like a dropped plot line.

Yes, he never said it.
I only take that conclusion because you need two rinnegan user to control gedo mazo.
And the only other character who capable to awaken that is sasuke.
It change with super kabuto introduction and madara edo tensei.
That's what I get from it.

@nostradamus & catra
Yes, all of it is just a tool.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

If he wasn't Madara, yes.

I remember back before the reveal, I thought "Tobi" could've been either...

- Tobirama, somehow (given they'd have to find some way to explain him being around given his soul was now trapped inside the Shinigami), given, IIRC, much earlier info said that Tobirama was the more laid back, humorous one and Hashirama was the more serious of the two and, obviously, "Tobi" could easily be a nickname used for him or something. Add in them throwing in that Tobirama apparently invented unnamed/unseen time-space jutsu that "Tobi" happened to use to get around.

- Danzo, primarily because of the fact that he always had bandages over his left eye while "Tobi's" mask covered his right eye and revealed the left eye and, of course, just how plain shady he acted.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yes, he never said it.
I only take that conclusion because you need two rinnegan user to control gedo mazo.
And the only other character who capable to awaken that is sasuke.
It change with super kabuto introduction and madara edo tensei.
That's what I get from it.

@nostradamus & catra
Yes, all of it is just a tool.

The one part I would never understand is what would have happen if Kabuto didn't show up. It was like an already losing war for Tobi. The story never made it like "things just got much worse," more so than "the evil now has equal the match."

[rocci]

The one part I would never understand is what would have happen if Kabuto didn't show up. It was like an already losing war for Tobi. The story never made it like "things just got much worse," more so than "the evil now has equal the match."

Tbh, That's stupid writing from kishi.
Zetsu is uber weak, can't cast ninjutsu, and the only offensive ability is mimic appearance.
The only powerful ninja is obito and sasuke. Kisame is dead meat.
There's no way obito could win the war even if naruto Kyubi mode doesn't have evil detection to counter zetsu.
And how could the ninja lose half of their army In a day?

If he want to make a war, make it like this :
Naruto + five big village vs sasuke + small villages.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Tbh, That's stupid writing from kishi.
Zetsu is uber weak, can't cast ninjutsu, and the only offensive ability is mimic appearance.
The only powerful ninja is obito and sasuke. Kisame is dead meat.
There's no way obito could win the war even if naruto Kyubi mode doesn't have evil detection to counter zetsu.
And how could the ninja lose half of their army In a day?

If he want to make a war, make it like this :
Naruto + five big village vs sasuke + small villages.

I was hoping for that, but nope, end the series right away and go to VotE where Sasuke happen to know the exact location and fight is on. Man, how rushed everything felt.

[Hanabi]

does anyone know where is this from?

[TouKen4Life3g]

does anyone know where is this from?

Naruto ending. I think it's 11 or 12.

[rocci]

I was hoping for that, but nope, end the series right away and go to VotE where Sasuke happen to know the exact location and fight is on. Man, how rushed everything felt.

You don't rush a fight that get hype for 70% of the manga for freaking 3 chapters worth fight, if not less.