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[TouKen4Life3g]

With all due respect but I can go for that Code Geass meme with song lyrics.

[rocci]

@emperor zeo
That because naruto copy some thing from starwars.

The comparison is on the hate that they receive after the "sequel".

does the first trilogy of starwars purely made by him?

[TouKen4Life3g]

@emperor zeo
That because naruto copy some thing from starwars.

The comparison is on the hate that they receive after the "sequel".

does the first trilogy of starwars purely made by him?

Not really. He has filtered in episode 4 and others were done by another director. The real full fledge movie is episode 1. So yeah...

[rocci]

Not really. He has filtered in episode 4 and others were done by another director. The real full fledge movie is episode 1. So yeah...

So he's like kishimoto.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So he's like kishimoto.

Outside of caring the lore, sure.

[rocci]

Outside of caring the lore, sure.

He care about the lore?
I don't know about that.

[EmperorZeo]

Not really. He has filtered in episode 4 and others were done by another director. The real full fledge movie is episode 1. So yeah...

He wrote all of the stories for the movies. While its true others directed Empire and Jedi, they were still his stories. He even wrote drafts for episodes 7-9, expecting Disney to continue the story after they finalized the sale and he retired. He's been showing regret lately.

 

Lucas never let the fans influence the story, at least not when it came to important plot points. While Kishi very clearly made important changes to the plot based on who was the most popular character and what SJ and SP thought would make them the most money. Now Star Wars and Naruto are in the same boat. Both solely exist to make money and both will be milked dry over time.

Edited by EmperorZeo, 15 January 2016 - 02:22 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

But like Kishi, who may have a decent plot, it's poor in execution and when you do, you leave it to someone else. The point is there's a two step process and only first step Lucas has it right. The execution is like Kishi, maybe he has a right idea, but the way it was handled was terrible. As for newest ones, while it is subjected to opinions, the difference is that sequel is considered good, but it may not be your type of good. Otherwise, we should have heard critics not liking it as well. Naruto in movies at the least has both side of negative point of view, while the sequel has critics loved as fans split. I take the latter.

[EmperorZeo]

But like Kishi, who may have a decent plot, it's poor in execution and when you do, you leave it to someone else. The point is there's a two step process and only first step Lucas has it right. The execution is like Kishi, maybe he has a right idea, but the way it was handled was terrible. As for newest ones, while it is subjected to opinions, the difference is that sequel is considered good, but it may not be your type of good. Otherwise, we should have heard critics not liking it as well. Naruto in movies at the least has both side of negative point of view, while the sequel has critics loved as fans split. I take the latter.

This is where I disagree. I do not believe that the prequels were executed poorly. Granted there were plenty of mistakes, but most of those same mistakes were present in the originals. What you have to know about the prequels is, like the latest movie, they were initially well received. Most critics gave episode I and III the thumbs up, episode II not so much. It dragged at times and the romance was not well executed. Roger Ebert gave each film 3 1/2, 2, and  3 1/2 stars out of four, respectively. I don't remember opinions on the films going sour until a few years after their release.

 

Lucas kept his story consistent from beginning to end. Every episode tied together nicely. There were no lose threads. Whereas Kishi let everything fly off the handle soon after Naruto defeated Pain. Fewer things made sense. There were many lose threads and potholes. The overall outcome of the story contradicted or undid years of plot and character development. This is what the sequel has done.

[totherpage95]

Thing with Lucas is that there are interviews with him, where he kind of admits he screwed up with latest movies.

cant be as bad as kishi's interviews with him saying sakura is the heroine then turning around and saying hinata should have been the heroine. and many other things.

[Nostradamus]

All Star Wars movies have flaws. Actually all movies have flaws; just like all stories have flaws.

Lucas screwed up big time with the decision to film almost everything in a green or blue screen room with his latest movies. That's the major flaw the prequels have. Another problem is his choice or whoever picked some of the actors. Apart from that if you actually look at the original ones and then the prequels you'll realize they mirror each other. Or as Lucas himself said echo each other.  

[TouKen4Life3g]

I feel like you only see bullet points, not the whole thing, which seems to defeat the purpose of entertainment.

[Catra]

can we list some plot holes naruto had since people keep bringing them up? that should be fun

[rocci]

can we list some plot holes naruto had since people keep bringing them up? that should be fun

Naruto failed three times in graduating test, but genius like sasuke graduate in the same time with him.
Part 1 doesn't have many plot hole while part 2 oh boy when should I start.
Sasuke great escape.
Akatsuki changing plan.
The (almost) entirety of obito flashback.
Kyubi chakra save naruto, while it said that if jinchuriki seperate from it, it will guarantee dead.

And many more.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

This is where I disagree. I do not believe that the prequels were executed poorly. Granted there were plenty of mistakes, but most of those same mistakes were present in the originals. What you have to know about the prequels is, like the latest movie, they were initially well received. Most critics gave episode I and III the thumbs up, episode II not so much. It dragged at times and the romance was not well executed. Roger Ebert gave each film 3 1/2, 2, and  3 1/2 stars out of four, respectively. I don't remember opinions on the films going sour until a few years after their release.

 

Lucas kept his story consistent from beginning to end. Every episode tied together nicely. There were no lose threads. Whereas Kishi let everything fly off the handle soon after Naruto defeated Pain. Fewer things made sense. There were many lose threads and potholes. The overall outcome of the story contradicted or undid years of plot and character development. This is what the sequel has done.

And it seems that some things people (so-called "experts") think "ruined" the franchise is only because of their own complete misunderstanding of them, like the midichlorians.

 

All Star Wars movies have flaws. Actually all movies have flaws; just like all stories have flaws.

Lucas screwed up big time with the decision to film almost everything in a green or blue screen room with his latest movies. That's the major flaw the prequels have. Another problem is his choice or whoever picked some of the actors. Apart from that if you actually look at the original ones and then the prequels you'll realize they mirror each other. Or as Lucas himself said echo each other.  

Well, again, I don't really think the actors/actresses in general were all bad choices, but rather the writers who came up with the lines a lot of the time. Nostalgia Critic's latest review (for Shayamalan month XD) of The Happening made me think about it again when he talks about how Mark Wahlberg is usually such a great actor in most of the movies he's in, but when you listen to a number of lines he has to say in the movie and think about him having to act around others with similarly odd lines/actions and...yeah...even the greatest actors would have trouble looking good, lol.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Naruto failed three times in graduating test, but genius like sasuke graduate in the same time with him.
Part 1 doesn't have many plot hole while part 2 oh boy when should I start.
Sasuke great escape.
Akatsuki changing plan.
The (almost) entirety of obito flashback.
Kyubi chakra save naruto, while it said that if jinchuriki seperate from it, it will guarantee dead.

And many more.

Yeah, there's a lot. The whole Jinchuuriki got really screwy that I just go with it. No info on Hamura makes no sense for why it wasn't written in the story. That tablet became many things when it was already said it's a dark secret of EMS, then suddenly became a whole story of RS as well as the secret of Moon eye plan. How Zetsu rewrite it if it's only known to the eyes beholder?

[Catra]

well the hamura/kaguya one is super easy, to make hyuuga seem more relavent. does knowing that make it good? hell to the fu ck no. its still bad story telling.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It was out of nowhere.

[Catra]

i remember thinking "oh no....the fandoms gonna bring hinata into this" the first time i saw them

 

"Sasuke great escape."

even though i hated it too it was still explained. its the chakra issue and time it took to execute it that people had a problem with. my guess is, the snake was already hipnotised when he summoned it. still doesnt excuse how he was able to do it at that speed. but this reminds me, when we saw goku FLY OUT OF THE FRIEZA'S SHIP AND WE SEE HIM YELLING AS THE PLANET EXPLODES. it is then toriyama literally rewrote the scene where instead of flying upwards out of the gorge, he spots ginyu's space pod.

"Akatsuki changing plan."

every member had his own plan. nagato had a plan that would interest other members of the organization while he had his own. tobi had his too, the question is why did he need sasuke? he says "for his amusement" (weak) in fact, tobi was poorly planned.

"The (almost) entirety of obito flashback."

indeed. uberhikari said it best with this with tons of points

Kyubi chakra save naruto, while it said that if jinchuriki seperate from it, it will guarantee dead.

"uzumaki's can survive extractions...oh wait nvm, here sakura give cpr."

[TouKen4Life3g]

I feel like changing plans part is just a hole to fill in with anything to make it seem like it's clever. Like you can always change it, even though they did it like 3 times, which is just all over the place. I mean the moon eye plan just got announced during the downfall of Naruto aka Kage Summit Arc. Like you said, what's the reason for Sasuke to be with Akatsuki. It may had an idea but plans change and Moon Eye Plan is what I believe is among them.

Edited by TouKen4Life3g, 15 January 2016 - 05:14 PM.