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[Nar123]

Oh, yes   When I opened it I get confused by its japanese. And 2ch seems to be very popular japan thread, yeah? Like they talk everything there, not only anime/manga.

Yes, its the most famous forum over there

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

I honestly don't know what's worse, the anti Sakura fans, who think she deserves the abuse she gets, or the Ss fans, who just ignore it, while saying she should stick with Sasuke.

 

I have never question humanity's stupidity as much as I have, once I got into the Naruto fandom.

 

I'd say it's both, Rose, since it seems Kishimoto-sensei is the same way, since he had brain damage and forgot all the kitten Sasuke did to Sakura.

[TerrorKing]

No, he built a house...and threw a bomb at it ! 

 

I don't want to become a stalker.... (the worst, is that I even have a red scarf...I cut my bangs just like Hinata...OMG I'M HINATA    )

Yeah, that actually works better. He had a good story and then he just decided to trash it and rebuild it...badly. 

 

There's still hope for you. As long as you don't start knitting scarves, you should be fine.   

 

I know what you're saying. The thing is the journey has a lot of mystery and/or hole that needed to be filled, but the problem is that it took too long that we may wonder, "When we will ever get the hole filled." When the end destination point is reached, you noticed that the hole is still there and you have the feeling of not letting it go. It's like when you write a character (ie "a" "1" ":") and you kind of did it poorly, though you keep writing, but you keep feeling like you want it perfect, so you go back and fix it, even though it may not matter anyway.

Naruto isn't a story that don't have strong connections to one arc after another. It all matters because they are in one big story. One Piece is a story that has multiple story within as well as having one big story of its own, so it will always feel like it's something new. That's a journey. Naruto needs an ending and it has to have a purpose behind it. This is where it failed terribly.

As for the ending, it really does need an ending but it has to be a well thought out and consistent ending that make the journey have a reason. Take Lego Movie for example. This movie is a good example of how a movie went from good to great because of the ending. If you see the movie from beginning to near end, you would have a fun time with its world and all. If the ending wasn't like the way it is, it would be a fun movie but the ending made it more than that. It made your time worth it because it all connects and the reason is exposed. Naruto once had it because it decided to go against it and only one that was kept was the dream, but many things surround it devalued the purpose, making it seem like a factor that people wouldn't really be touched. Emotionally investment.

Yes, we argued that it would be better off with open ending. That may be true, but reality, we said this because it's best to leave it undone than done with many downfall moments. Open ending usually works with something that focused on a meaning of part of life, more so than a person's wish. Like in Inception, it didn't give you an answer but in a way, we don't need it, because it's about what people truly wants between a reality and a dream and the movie throughout demonstrates why is important. It's not misleading you or anything, it stay its focus to the end.

Case in point, this series got so many damages that it can't be fixed with the course of the story that the destination led to. The only way is to rewrite everything from beginning to the end. That's only if the person believe this way to make it work. And only if people decide to accept it.

Yeah. The story arcs in Naruto have always been strongly connected.That way it always seemed like an arc was never truly finished. It created a lot of loose ends that needed to be tied up and I guess that's where the stort truly failed.

 

Then again, it almost seemed like Kishi went out of his way to not make everything come together. It seriously seems like he's deliberately trying to win a prize for the worst ending to a series ever. He didn't even attempt to adress any of the unfinished plot points, instead opting to to try to fix them in part 3. It's beyond lazy and I will have no part in it.   

 

An open or tragic ending, as much as I hate them, would have been preferable to the kitten we got.  

Happy birthday man. I wish you all the best in the world. Sorry I can't really do anything about that movie, it's not in my power.

 

Well considering that Naruto beats his own son and tells him "Suck it princess", it's not really that farfetched to say that Naruto probably beats Hinata once in a while. I mean his son already got the STFU b*tch.

 

People can say that it's not the destination that matters it is the journey but when the destination completely and utterly destroys the journey. Then what's the point of following the journey in the first place? Why would anyone want to reread Naruto if the ending destroys the reasons we followed it in the first place? Also why would a newcomer want to read it if it ends like this?

 

There's absolutely no reason why anyone would want to read this story or reread it.

 

You know if though he did a lot of bad things. At least he didn't get the nickname "Worst scumbag" like some other guy did.

Indeed. The ending pretty much destroys everything that was ever good or intruiging about this series. I for one don't think I'll ever go back and rewatch the anime or reread the manga.

 

It'll be interesting to see how the new generation of Naruto fans will react to the series as a whole. Will they be more accepting of the ending or will they be just a disappointed as us? We'll just have to wait and see.  

[Michi]

Sakura may love Sasuke, but she loves Naruto more. Doesn't matter if platonically or romantically, she has chosen between them before.

^^^THIS.

[Advaith]

Oh, yes   When I opened it I get confused by its japanese. And 2ch seems to be very popular japan thread, yeah? Like they talk everything there, not only anime/manga.

Yes,that's why i want to know their reactions to coz they are the ones there and u can know what's going on in japan.

Edited by Advaith, 30 December 2014 - 12:45 AM.

[Michi]

Yes,that's why i want to know their reactions to coz they are the ones there and u can know what's going on in japan.

Oh thank you for the welcome xD Here is the person that speaks English https://mobile.twitter.com/sasunaru_wr sorry if it doesn't work since I'm on mobile Dx

[RyohkiFan]

This!! ^^ 
 
Too bad Kishi can't even remember what he wrote himself  

Which is very dumb of him since he wrote it...I wish I knew what he was thinking when writing this ending and having a movie that contradicts the very first chapter of the series

Edited by RyohkiFan, 30 December 2014 - 12:55 AM.

[Derock]

What make it ten times worse, the VOLUMES are there on his desk!!! Your manga IS. RIGHT. THERE. in front of your face!

 

[RyohkiFan]

This sucks...I wanted to post a picture of a Japanese fan who ripped the poster of the movie explanation but it seems I gotta do it on computer..don't wanna get up lol

[Michi]

This!! ^^ 
 
Too bad Kishimoney can't even remember what he wrote himself

he should've really re-read his own kittening manga.

smh...he really has a bad case of amnesia I guess.

Or more like a bad disease called "I-love-money-kittenes-so-kitten-logic-situs"

[Michi]

This sucks...I wanted to post a picture of a Japanese fan who ripped the poster of the movie explanation but it seems I gotta do it on computer..don't wanna get up lol

LMFAOOOO

STOP BEING LAZY & DO IT PLEASE.

[Otaru]

I see from what POV you are trying to look at   but that is why I disagree  bc  you see things don't work like that  in literature  Feelings Bonds Relationship Plot etc they all need Development and Foreshadowing  they need to be shown on panel  bc if they aren't shown   then they are simply not there  .  That is why we have a thing called asspull  which what you are implying  with Sasuke's feelings  it basically destroys the purpose of telling a story   its why we call its Butchering Literature  bc in that case there is no Consistency in the Writing itself  and its not something an author should  do  .
 
You see you can always take something into consideration but it doesn't make it seem right nor does it make you   bc first and foremost that needs to be shown ON PANEL  to have Development and Foreshadowing  . The thing is with Sasuke's feelings for Sakura we don't have this at all  so for the reader see that its there  .  If romance was never shown to be a part of his character  or have feelings for Sakura then that can mean only one thing   that it was never there  pulling all of a sudden its what its call an asspull , inconsistent writing and Sasuke going  OOC   bc it was never apart of him  he wasn't associated with it ever ,
 
Now like I said  what you are saying is twisting  Sasuke character  .  Sasuke is  bland and honest type of character  he does not hide his feelings  and he's  pretty much aware of them  hiding them  that's something  he never really did  .  Now you are also confusing  him rejectingbonds is him also rejecting his feelings  but that's not the same thing  .  We have example of Sasuke admitting his feelings  for Naruto  in P1  state  that he has nothing but gratitude for Sakura  for T7    that's him admitting his feelings  straightforward  not rejecting them  what he did later is cutting those bonds  bc they were on his way  but its not him hiding his feelings its not the same .
 
As for when I say Sakura never really impacted him I'm talking about deep impact like Naruto ot Itachi did  bc Sasuke's Thank You was him rejecting Sakura a final act from him toward Sakura  but it had no real emotional impact on him  to act like he does with Naruto itachi to come out of his shell  their friendship ended there  . Its later that we see when he left that Sakura is out of his life  and doesn't affect him at all in reality she never has  .
 
And its not true that Sasuke was manipulated  you are not being manipulated when you are doing the things you do with a conscious mind  he was no manipulated   when they first meat at Oro's lair  and in the War he did on his own free will .   the Kage Summit is not the only event where he showed lack of care for her and her life   and that was Sasuke being full aware of his actions  even in then when he was crazy Naruto had impact on him deep impact bc he was pretty much the only person he meant something to him  .  Sasuke always reacted to Naruto to Itachi when in danger or for anything else  even for Karin but not for Sakura  , Sakura you could say was on the  level of Kakashi in therms of his bonds . The Sharing ridiculous curse  explains it all   when a Uchiha love someone  and  looses someone his eyes react to that lose or sens of danger  and we have seen Sasuke eyes react and develop  for Naruto , itachi and even Karin  but never Sakura  for Sakura he didn't even blink when she was in mortal danger  .  Also no matter how " lost " you are if you love that person or even care for him you are bound to show any kind  of conflicted emotions  with Sasuke and Sakura that never happened but it did for other when it comes to Sasuke's character .
 
To cut this  short  Sasuke was always aware of his feelings and he always acted according to his feelings that's who he is  he's blunt and honest  he may  discard his bonds  and reject them  but not his feelings  he always showed them  and with Sakura he never showed any of romantic feelings  . And the simple rule in literature is  if they are not on panel  being hinted , foreshadowed   then those feelings are simply not there  doing it all of a sudden its OOC and inconsistent writing  especially bc Sasuke's  character was never about romance that's why its Bad Writing and Sasuke's basically made OOC  ,

I agree with you about what you're saying about litterature. Kishi kittened up big time here. But I'm less shocked by Sasuke in love with Sakura than Sakura still in love with him. To me, what Kishimoto wrote about Sasuke in the end still make some sense and could be understood. But not what he has written about Sakura and Naruto. IMO, even with Sasuke falling in love with her in the end, she would never want to be with him again. Because at that time in the manga, she's into Naruto. Totally. That's what Kishi has written. And I just can't believe he wrote that to mislead us. It's a kittening retcon.
IMO Sasuke is not really OOC in the end, because Kishimoto let his real feelings unknown until the end. It was really convenient, because it would permit him to wrote whatever he wanted. But Sasuke was once good and caring. So I'm not that shocked. As I said before, what I feel is OOC or weird about Sasuke, is that forehead thing and the fact that he didn't push Sakura toward Naruto.

 

I understand the difference you want to make between cutting bonds or refusing feelings. IMO Sasuke is also about refusing feelings because he was afraid to suffer. But maybe that's just me. The fact that he said that team7 bonds reminded him of his family is proving that he wanted to cut those bonds in order to not suffer again if he would lose them. It's pretty twisted, I know, but some people can become really kittened up like that, so this character Kishimoto depicted was making sense to me.

 

I'm not trying to defend Kishimoto, but I feel that he wrote Sasuke well until the end. Because he didn't really need to retcon him that much to permit NH. I'm sure as hell he wanted to make NaruSaku canon initially. I refuse to believe he's a jerk that wanted to mislead us for this long. IMO the ending is a recent decision. And he didn't make it alone IMO.

 

I agree with you that Sakura didn't impacted him as much as Naruto and Itachi. IMO it's because Kishimoto wanted to write a character that was seeking for family love. It's always the way I saw Sasuke. That's why I always said that he never wanted a romantic love. He didn't think of it one little time. He was all into something else.

 

IMO, you're wrong about the fact that Sasuke wasn't manipulated. He was first manipulated by his own brother. Itachi wanted him to be tough and to fight because he didn't want him to die. It was noble intentions, but yet it was manipulation. Then Orochimaru came and manipulated him too. He used the cursed mark, so it was easier but still it was manipulation IMO. He used Sasuke's hate to manipulate him. Because he wanted his body. Sasuke has always been manipulated. Because it was easy to manipulate him. If I remember well, that's what Itachi himself said to Naruto.

I understand why my opinion doesn't really please you, and I don't want to defend Kishimoto, but still I think Sasuke is not one of the characters he destroyed in the end. Sasuke is well written and there is consistency IMO. There is some details that we can debate about, but there is nothing like what he has done to Naruto or Sakura.

[Popuri]

Yes,that's why i want to know their reactions to coz they are the ones there and u can know what's going on in japan.

So why doesn't Rikudou try? Rikudou can read japanese, right? Send PM! >////<

 

This sucks...I wanted to post a picture of a Japanese fan who ripped the poster of the movie explanation but it seems I gotta do it on computer..don't wanna get up lol

Please, get up. For us. 

[sushi.]

I always thought Kishi's money comments were..you know, a joke. Like he probably is so rich, 20 or 40 mill, what difference does it make?

This!! ^^ 

 

Too bad Kishimoney can't even remember what he wrote himself

oh well, there's always DIVORCE! NS will always find their way back to eachother, believe it! And once they do, they'll go back to their normal selves. And then the burrito and the salad get to be siblings. My best friend was in that situation when we were little, and he dated that girl. XD

 

plus Sasuke wouldn't be bound to a domestic life and he can travel the world with Karin+taka. Maybe take the salad with him, it's SK kid anyway.

Edited by sushi., 30 December 2014 - 12:59 AM.

[Popuri]

I always thought Kishi's money comments were..you know, a joke. Like he probably is so rich, 20 or 40 mill, what difference does it make?

oh well, there's always DIVORCE! NS will always find their way back to eachother, believe it! And once they do, they'll go back to their normal selves. And then the burrito and the salad get to be siblings. My best friend was in that situation when we were little, and he dated that girl. XD

 

plus Sasuke wouldn't be bound to a domestic life and he can travel the world with Karin+taka. Maybe take the salad with him, it's SK kid anyway.

So your best friend now is a sibling to his gf? 

[RyohkiFan]

LMFAOOOO

STOP BEING LAZY & DO IT PLEASE.

What you are asking is very difficult to do...but I will do it, just need time..lmao or I can send it someone and they post it? Lol

[sushi.]

So your best friend now is a sibling to his gf? 

no they broke up, and the mom+stepdad too. But I don't actually have a problem with that couples-living-together concept, I ship plenty of those. Like Westallen in the flash, Edwinry etc. There's also Mikaeren even if I don't ship them.

[Derock]

SHARE THE SHADE     

 

Poor Naruto, having to be in front of his ass of a creator who can't remember what he wrote about   This is beyond kitten...I wonder what volumes they were.

 

Its ALL of them! All 71 volumes in a row on his desk and bookshelf where his art tools are. We saw the pictures during RtN's promotion!

[rocci]

Sakura may love Sasuke, but she loves Naruto more. Doesn't matter if platonically or romantically, she has chosen between them before.

That's why naruto confession need to happen.

[Otaru]

It is the most OOC thing ever, because after all that's happened between them, a romantic relationship isn't possible.... not only that, but it goes against Sakura's character development. Honestly, after all this time, her continuing to love Sasuke as a lover is a good thing? bullsh**! That brings her back to part 1 Sakura who's head over heals for him! Love isn't only restricted to romantic love, you can love someone but not in that sense. SS is toxic. I wouldn't call it abuse in a traditional sense, but it's abusive to Sakura emotionally and mentally. She can't stand up for herself. She can't speak her mind around him. She's limited to speaking her mind through "Inner Sakura" basically, JUST LIKE IN PART 1. I can only imagine her having nightmares or flashbacks about their past before he got together with her. Tell me that's not abusive to Sakura? Or even Sasuke. Sasuke loving Sakura in that sense is beyond OOC. Let's say in the likely case Kishimoney passes off their relationship as "redemption" for all Sasuke has done to her. How does that work? Sasuke loving a woman he has no interest in, how can he live with putting an unwanted burden on himself and lying to himself? That's not a loving relationship. Holy kitten there is so many things wrong with this pairing, I don't even know where to start...

 

The bolded part is so true.

And I agree a lot with what you said about Sakura.

But about Sasuke I still have a different opinion about some things.

I guess I must be the only one lol

IMO it's plausible that he would finally fall in love with her.

But IMO, even if he loves her in the end, Kishimoto should have write Sasuke as the guy that push her toward Naruto, because if he really loves her then he understand that a romantic relationship is not possible between them because he hurt her too much in the past.

It's not possible to create a bond of love from all that suffering.