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#4201 Sakamaki Izayoi

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 10:56 AM

QUOTE (merryGOflava @ Sep 12 2012, 01:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
as ns means logic said. you dont create the story just for you, you create a story for others also.
if you created a story for yourself then you dont need others to read it.

keeping true to your original idea is important, but trying to make it interesting for the readers is important also. why else do you think kishi has all those assisstants and editors giving him advice. it also helps you think outside what you would normal do.


editors give him advice but the final decision is up to him, plus if kishi did a story to pleases his fans or better if we follow your theory sakura would have been dead for now and naruto should have dating hinata and we got an yaoi pairing.
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Posted 12 September 2012 - 11:25 AM

QUOTE (dovahkiin @ Sep 12 2012, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
editors give him advice but the final decision is up to him, plus if kishi did a story to pleases his fans or better if we follow your theory sakura would have been dead for now and naruto should have dating hinata and we got an yaoi pairing.


True , also mangaka have from thr beginning the whole story in their mind ( not detailed but they know the ending) so kishi cant change the story like letting sakura die, when he already made a lot of episodes where you can see that naruto is chasing sakura since epsiode one and kishi wanted them togethet in the end since episode one

Thats my opinion

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#4203 Dalton.T.R

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 11:40 AM

QUOTE (merryGOflava @ Sep 11 2012, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
as ns means logic said. you dont create the story just for you, you create a story for others also.
if you created a story for yourself then you dont need others to read it.

keeping true to your original idea is important, but trying to make it interesting for the readers is important also. why else do you think kishi has all those assisstants and editors giving him advice. it also helps you think outside what you would normal do.

No, if a writer gets too involved with his/her fans, he/she's practically giving them a key to the front door. The fans will be the one's who tell the story, and the writer's just the one writing it. You think I'd want a bunch of rabbid NH/NS/SS fans telling me how to write my story if I were Kishi HELL NO!

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 01:59 PM

so...is there anything we haven't discussed yet...now that we now that
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is acually at the battle with madar we have more chance for something concerningtsunade and sakura maybe he'll have something o do with it who knows


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Posted 12 September 2012 - 02:15 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Sep 12 2012, 03:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
True , also mangaka have from thr beginning the whole story in their mind ( not detailed but they know the ending) so kishi cant change the story like letting sakura die, when he already made a lot of episodes where you can see that naruto is chasing sakura since epsiode one and kishi wanted them togethet in the end since episode one

Thats my opinion


Exactly Kishi can't just get rid of Sakura like that for various reasons:

-She's the heroine of the story and a main character (like Naruto and Sasuke she has a strong plot shield).

-Kishi has already shown she's Naruto's love interest, basically killing her will destroy all of the development done to the NS pairing since the start of the story(this gives her another strong plot shield).

-If one of the themes of the manga is showing the new generation can surpass the old generation then killing Sakura will destroy that theme, she will fail just like Tsunade in love, in surpassing her master and dying (the last one is a big IF depending if Tsundade does die in the war).

-Another reason Kishi has admitted he's fond of Sakura he seems to have a soft spot for her, now why for all there is sane will he kill her when he as done so MUCH development on her character? What will be the point of all that development just to have her kill?

Edited by Gravenimage, 12 September 2012 - 02:16 PM.

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#4206 candycane-chan

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 02:23 PM

/\ I never even considered sakura dying happy.gif before welll maybe once sweatdrop.gif when i saw rin dead and tsunade on the verge of death and the parallels and all but like most of you said nere,it's about the new generation surpassing the old,even chiyo said befor her death that sakura will surpass tsunade .Now why would he he hint about her surpassing tsunade if she was doomed to die
OFF TOPIC: what chapter was when sakura held tsunade's hand when she was in a coma i never saw that headscratch.gif


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Posted 12 September 2012 - 02:52 PM

QUOTE (candycane-chan @ Sep 12 2012, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
/\ I never even considered sakura dying happy.gif before welll maybe once sweatdrop.gif when i saw rin dead and tsunade on the verge of death and the parallels and all but like most of you said nere,it's about the new generation surpassing the old,even chiyo said befor her death that sakura will surpass tsunade .Now why would he he hint about her surpassing tsunade if she was doomed to die
OFF TOPIC: what chapter was when sakura held tsunade's hand when she was in a coma i never saw that headscratch.gif


I thinks something about 180 maybe 183 or so.(in the anime i mean)

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 05:51 PM

Hi guys, long time no see,


Man, just read the chapter today (yeah I know I'm late), and my hopes about a Sakura that is going to rock in the futur are coming true little by little.
I mean, everyone knows what Kishi said last ITW. That Naruto's friends (the ex-Genins) will have their time against Madara.

I can't stop thinking about what said Itachi about being Hokage, what Sakura's thinking about Naruto's dream in Chuunin's test, and what Minato confirmed to Kushina about making him a man and a Hokage.

Itachi :
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Minato became Hokage BECAUSE HE HAD KUSHINA and the others (probably friends).

Sakura :
http://i35.mangaread...uto-1565740.jpg
That impossible dream of yours... I don't want to see it crushed.
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Same as always... I can only do the dumbest thing for Naruto
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I'm the one who caused him the most pain... I'v done nothing but mistakes... I don't want to make another one...
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No mather what you say, we're are going to be together...

Minato :
http://i5.mangareade...uto-1442352.jpg
You made me the fourth Hokage !



When I see all this, I can't stop thinking about futur NS, what Sakura will do, what Naruto will become because of her.
Kishi is going to make another MinaKushi/NaruSaku parallel. Sakura will be the girl that will make Naruto the official Rokudaime Hokage and she will show/proove it against Madara with the so called "others" (Shikamaru, Kiba, Sai, Hinata, Neji and co.) that Itachi mentioned for Minato...


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Posted 12 September 2012 - 05:58 PM

QUOTE (Sojobo @ Sep 12 2012, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi guys, long time no see,


Man, just read the chapter today (yeah I know I'm late), and my hopes about a Sakura that is going to rock in the futur are coming true little by little.
I mean, everyone knows what Kishi said last ITW. That Naruto's friends (the ex-Genins) will have their time against Madara.

I can't stop thinking about what said Itachi about being Hokage, what Sakura's thinking about Naruto's dream in Chuunin's test, and what Minato confirmed to Kushina about making him a man and a Hokage.

Itachi :
http://i30.mangaread...uto-2587609.jpg
Minato became Hokage BECAUSE HE HAD KUSHINA and the others (probably friends).

Sakura :
http://i35.mangaread...uto-1565740.jpg
That impossible dream of yours... I don't want to see it crushed.
http://i6.mangareade...naruto-5798.jpg
Same as always... I can only do the dumbest thing for Naruto
http://i19.mangaread...ruto-536480.jpg
I'm the one who caused him the most pain... I'v done nothing but mistakes... I don't want to make another one...
http://i7.mangareade...uto-3042419.jpg
No mather what you say, we're are going to be together...

Minato :
http://i5.mangareade...uto-1442352.jpg
You made me the fourth Hokage !



When I see all this, I can't stop thinking about futur NS, what Sakura will do, what Naruto will become because of her.
Kishi is going to make another MinaKushi/NaruSaku parallel. Sakura will be the girl that will make Naruto the official Rokudaime Hokage and she will show/proove it against Madara with the so called "others" (Shikamaru, Kiba, Sai, Hinata, Neji and co.) that Itachi mentioned for Minato...


Good point but i dont see sakura fighting shes just going to heal the others because she never was and never will be a good fighter if you ask me.

At least not as good as naruto or kakashi

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 06:15 PM

This is what I meant by Sakura not relating to Sasuke's pain, I agree with Naruto but with Sasuke it will block her from noticing this part of Sasuke on herself.


After she relate to Naru/Sasu's problem and start understanding them better, while wanting to be with them has Team mates again, why would she think about the negative things when she already relate with Sasuke's pain, if anything it will inspires her to give instead of 100% it will be 200% to save him and bring back those happy memories. Relating to her abuser will only cloud her judgment, if he did hurt her she will not think about it because she will only feel pity and sadness for him, while ignoring herself and her suffering, by only think that he hurt her because he was is so much pain. At the end of the day she will ignore everything that happens between them.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 06:15 PM

I didn't say she will fight. She will be the one who will make Naruto Hokage, like Kushina did for Minato.
I don't know how, but she will definitly shine against Madara.
That can be healing, sacrificing, or protecting Naruto while he's in danger.

Edited by Sojobo, 12 September 2012 - 06:16 PM.


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Posted 12 September 2012 - 06:18 PM

QUOTE (NS means logic @ Sep 12 2012, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is what I meant by Sakura not relating to Sasuke's pain, I agree with Naruto but with Sasuke it will block her from noticing this part of Sasuke on herself.

After she relate to Naru/Sasu's problem and start understanding them better, while wanting to be with them has Team mates again, why would she think about the negative things when she already relate with Sasuke's pain, if anything it will inspires her to give instead of 100% it will be 200% to save him and bring back those happy memories. Relating to her abuser will only cloud her judgment, if he did hurt her she will not think about it because she will only feel pity and sadness for him, while ignoring herself and her suffering, by only think that he hurt her because he was is so much pain. At the end of the day she will ignore everything that happens between them.


I think is she understands how sasuke feels she maybe get more feelings for sasuke again and that wont be good i thinkl

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 06:20 PM

QUOTE (Sojobo @ Sep 12 2012, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I didn't say she will fight. She will be the one who will make Naruto Hokage, like Kushina did for Minato.
I don't know how, but she will definitly shine against Madara.
That can be healing, sacrificing, or protecting Naruto while he's in danger.


No why should she sacrifice her that means that she would die and shes 100% not going to die

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 06:30 PM

By sacrifice, I meant something like she did for Chiyo for exemple. (injury in her place by Sasori's poisoned sword)
Of course she's not going to die, that's not what I really meant by sacrifice (didn't use the correct word)

Edited by Sojobo, 12 September 2012 - 06:31 PM.


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Posted 12 September 2012 - 06:34 PM

QUOTE (NS means logic @ Sep 12 2012, 05:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree with this it reminds me of what some ANS said about some of our fans, they needing to see some characters dead to have a better chance, like Hinata sometimes, Sasuke (even when I really don't care about Sasuke I don't relate his character with NS only when I wish him to live for Sakura to pursue a romantic relationship with Naruto while Sasuke being alive and good.
To be honest I always ignore the ANS fans and call them liars, biased and butthurt, but now with chapter 601 and reading some comments they really makes me feel very sad, if the comment were about her dying to give the war more meaning I be hurt but fine, but wanting her dead to improve Sakura's character and to better NS chances is just sad really sad, honestly deep down in my heart I cannot believe I reading this type of comments.

I don't agree with this thinking at all.


You're totally right that Tsunade's death should be not be a way for us to Sakura's or NS development. I even hope till now that she'll stay alive and she could be still live but it's up to Kishi's choice and like Narusakuforlife said that we don't need Tsunade's death for Sakura's or NS development cause it's already clear for everyone. But Kishi could make this available choice for more NS time or for Sakura's development and it's just a possibility, that's all.
Actually, Sakura is going to have a very big moment when she's at the battle ground.

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Sep 12 2012, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good point but i dont see sakura fighting shes just going to heal the others because she never was and never will be a good fighter if you ask me.

At least not as good as naruto or kakashi


What ? Sakura is not a good fighter ? Her battle with Sasori alone can tell you that she's a good fighter even if Chiyo helped her. All the characters get help from the ones around them in the fight and it doesn't mean they're not good fighters.

QUOTE (NS means logic @ Sep 12 2012, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is what I meant by Sakura not relating to Sasuke's pain, I agree with Naruto but with Sasuke it will block her from noticing this part of Sasuke on herself.

After she relate to Naru/Sasu's problem and start understanding them better, while wanting to be with them has Team mates again, why would she think about the negative things when she already relate with Sasuke's pain, if anything it will inspires her to give instead of 100% it will be 200% to save him and bring back those happy memories. Relating to her abuser will only cloud her judgment, if he did hurt her she will not think about it because she will only feel pity and sadness for him, while ignoring herself and her suffering, by only think that he hurt her because he was is so much pain. At the end of the day she will ignore everything that happens between them.


Sakura is not dumb to let Sasuke to stay more in her thoughts as the one that she loves him, she's already moving on from her leftovers feelings for Sasuke. Even if she will have these flashbacks, she will not give Sasuke a place cause we all know there's Naruto too plus she already too had flashbacks of him and still going on the moving on.

Edited by T XD, 12 September 2012 - 07:35 PM.


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Posted 12 September 2012 - 06:58 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Sep 12 2012, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think is she understands how sasuke feels she maybe get more feelings for sasuke again and that wont be good i thinkl


If Sakura develops more feelings for Sasuke by finding out the truth behind the Uchiha massacre then her entire character development will be a complete waste of time and big time fail for Kishi. If she finds out the truth then she will agree with Naruto trying to find a way to save Sasuke, it doesn't men she's going to be deeply in love with him when she knows very well he will NEVER love her.
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Posted 12 September 2012 - 07:06 PM

Dont get me wrong i am a Big Narusaku fan but lately i have my doubts on how the story will end. I had hope when yamato told sakura you must really l..... part but lost it when sakura thinks of hinata loving naruto when she heals him in pain arc meaning she knows that hinata loves her... this is bad. and ofcourse the part with naruto and hinata that naruto knows how she feels and hinata later thinking the hand in hand part. and this mabey even worse link : http://dailyanimeart...2...w=584&h=328

I really hope sakura picks naruto but sometimes it looks bad ofcourse in the filler 235 naruto still states he loves her but A its a filler i gess B how good where the subs translated C the filler was before the war arc with naruto and hinata.

Well at least this gives some hope biggrin.gif

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Let me know what you guys think or if you can give me some hope biggrin.gif

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 07:11 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Sep 12 2012, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If Sakura develops more feelings for Sasuke by finding out the truth behind the Uchiha massacre then her entire character development will be a complete waste of time and big time fail for Kishi. If she finds out the truth then she will agree with Naruto trying to find a way to save Sasuke, it doesn't men she's going to be deeply in love with him when she knows very well he will NEVER love her.


By Kishi giving Sakura the knowledge of the Uchiha massacre and she knows what Itachi did for Sasuke's happiness and Konoha future, I can only see two outcomes, Sakura becomes emotionally blind and wanting to give up on everything (highly unlikable) or Sakura scratching her head just like Itashi not knowing why after he learn the truth he sill doing wrong.

Now if Kishi uses Tsunades death (if she dies) for Sakura to relate to Naruto and Sasuke's lost, it will not allow her to see Sasuke for who he is it will cloud her view and she will only start feeling pity and sadness for him while ignore her psersonal pain with him something I find really, but really stupid.

Edited by NS means logic, 12 September 2012 - 07:14 PM.


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Posted 12 September 2012 - 07:30 PM

Tsunade's death will probably add development to Naruto, Kakashi and Sakura. But saying it will somehow mean Sakura will suddenly fall in love with Sasuke, in spite of all he has done and become, is a really big leap.
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Posted 12 September 2012 - 07:41 PM

QUOTE (Arachnia @ Sep 12 2012, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dont get me wrong i am a Big Narusaku fan but lately i have my doubts on how the story will end. I had hope when yamato told sakura you must really l..... part but lost it when sakura thinks of hinata loving naruto when she heals him in pain arc meaning she knows that hinata loves her... this is bad.


This isn't bad at all, in fact you should be relieved. The fact that Sakura knows this about Hinata is the one of the most imporatnt thing for NS cause Sakura needs to know that there's someone else who has feelings for Naruto too and not just her which is one of major romance side of a story for main characters.

QUOTE (Arachnia @ Sep 12 2012, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the part with naruto and hinata that naruto knows how she feels

This only means that Naruto now knows that she has feelings for him and this panel is the beginning of the process of closure for Hinata's interest in Naruto as in the future she'll understand who Naruto truly loves or she'll move on.

QUOTE (Arachnia @ Sep 12 2012, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
hinata later thinking the hand in hand part

Taking Hinata here what she said literally, of course you'll understand it that she meant it romantically. She's expressing her feelings by means of supporting him and don't forget the process of the closure and this is one of it.

QUOTE (Arachnia @ Sep 12 2012, 10:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
this mabey even worse link : http://dailyanimeart...2...w=584&h=328

This shows you Sakura hurting, feeling bad. Yes, she still have something for Sasuke and they are leftover feelings for the one that she used to love which she's slowly moving on from them. There will be time in the future chapters when she realizes who she really loves. We just have to wait with the story continuing very slowly.

You should remember that you shouldn't read too much into things in a manga.

QUOTE (NS means logic @ Sep 12 2012, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
By Kishi giving Sakura the knowledge of the Uchiha massacre and she knows what Itachi did for Sasuke's happiness and Konoha future, I can only see two outcomes, Sakura becomes emotionally blind and wanting to give up on everything (highly unlikable) or Sakura scratching her head just like Itashi not knowing why after he learn the truth he sill doing wrong.

Now if Kishi uses Tsunades death (if she dies) for Sakura to relate to Naruto and Sasuke's lost, it will not allow her to see Sasuke for who he is it will cloud her view and she will only start feeling pity and sadness for him while ignore her psersonal pain with him something I find really, but really stupid.

She could feel that way but a pain like this can't be ignored by a person, and saying that this happens, it will only make her character development go downward which Kishi won't make that.

Edited by T XD, 12 September 2012 - 08:08 PM.





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