4869 replies to this topic

[gamerman_007]

Come on people, join in on the fun! XD

I could always use back up........well actually, all we need is the NSLAPers........where are the NSLAPers btw?.

[Danni]

Some ppl say they are just like brother and sister.
I DONT see it that way,sakura will be there for naruto intill she dies.
naruto will always protect sakura, even if he puts his life on the line.

[Hopestar]

That's one factor that we all cannot deny

[MBKon]

Yessssss!!!

Ladies and Gentlemen, I cracked the code! I finally understand why NaruHina think that theyre pairing is Canon.

Why, you ask?

Because... it is cliche. It happens in every single teen movie, in a lot of (bad) fanfics and It's usually the girl that is always shy towards the main character, but towards the end of the film/fanfic she always gets some guts and confesses her feelings towards the main character. And he, through some wonder is 'in love' with her too. And since it's obviously quantity and not quality that counts, that must mean that Kishimoto will feature that in Naruto. That's the only hope that is in theiir minds that can't produce a single thought without Sakura bashing.

That is the reason.

And of course, Sakura is the preppy cheerleader b*tch that tries to seduce the main character but fails in comparision to the 'real love' Naruto feels towards Hinata.

What do I win ?

[Danni]

Where do ppl come up w/ these stuff. And the naruhina ppl say well oppiste attrack sometimes yes but mostly no.

[gamerman_007]

Yessssss!!!

Ladies and Gentlemen, I cracked the code! I finally understand why NaruHina think that theyre pairing is Canon.

Why, you ask?

Because... it is cliche. It happens in every single teen movie, in a lot of (bad) fanfics and It's usually the girl that is always shy towards the main character, but towards the end of the film/fanfic she always gets some guts and confesses her feelings towards the main character. And he, through some wonder is 'in love' with her too. And since it's obviously quantity and not quality that counts, that must mean that Kishimoto will feature that in Naruto. That's the only hope that is in theiir minds that can't produce a single thought without Sakura bashing.

That is the reason.

And of course, Sakura is the preppy cheerleader b*tch that tries to seduce the main character but fails in comparision to the 'real love' Naruto feels towards Hinata.

What do I win ?

You win..................
........THE NARUSAKU HAMMER OF LOGIC!!!! AND A COOKIE! and a stripper

[Soritia]

Yessssss!!!

Ladies and Gentlemen, I cracked the code! I finally understand why NaruHina think that theyre pairing is Canon.

Why, you ask?

Because... it is cliche. It happens in every single teen movie, in a lot of (bad) fanfics and It's usually the girl that is always shy towards the main character, but towards the end of the film/fanfic she always gets some guts and confesses her feelings towards the main character. And he, through some wonder is 'in love' with her too. And since it's obviously quantity and not quality that counts, that must mean that Kishimoto will feature that in Naruto. That's the only hope that is in theiir minds that can't produce a single thought without Sakura bashing.

That is the reason.

And of course, Sakura is the preppy cheerleader b*tch that tries to seduce the main character but fails in comparision to the 'real love' Naruto feels towards Hinata.

What do I win ?

Ironically, that's why NaruHina people say they don't like NaruSaku. A big Anti-NaruSaku point is that people feel that NaruSaku is too cliche. Guy wants girl, girl wants "better looking" guy, guy wins over girl.

The thing is that BOTH NaruHina and NaruSaku are cliches, it's just in the context. NaruSaku is the most common kind of pairing in SHONEN manga. NaruHina is the most common kind of pairing in SHOUJO manga.

Good thing Naruto is a Shonen manga, ne?

[Random Nobody]

Ya know what? I hate the cliche argument. I don't care if its for or against a pairing, saying you like it or don't like it because its "cliche" just makes you sound kinda stupid. I mean, saying you don't like something because its cliche is like saying "I don't care about the characters personalities, how they interact, or the relevance to the story, its cliche so it has to be stupid". If somethings cliche it doesn't mean its bad it just means it happens a lot and you have to put in more work to make your version better than everybody elses. I believe Kishi has done that because I like NaruSaku more than...well...any other pairing really, though some crack pairings come close.

[Smiter]

About the cliché argument, I faintly remember this post made by someone over at NarutoForums a long time ago. I'm sorry I can't remember who it was. ;; I think it's somewhere in the NaruSaku FC thread.

Anyway, he was saying that he usually hates main character pairings with a passion because they are usually so clichéd. Like, say, Naru and Keitaro of Love Hina. Or Belldandy and Keiichi of Ah! My Goddess!

HOWEVER, he loved NaruSaku because, while it is a main character pairing, it does not feel that cliché. That's because of all the development we have seen in that relationship, most especifically the foundations of their feelings. He loved how NaruSaku had solid reasons to happen and had realistic growth, rather than going for the "they're in love because they're in love!" cliché.

I thought it was a very good post, because that is also why I love the NaruSaku pairing so much. You can see why Naruto loves Sakura, and why Sakura is falling for him. You actually care what happens to the two and end up wanting to see them get together! They are both great characters and Kishimoto has done a very good job (so far) with nuturing their relationship.

[Ani]

Nice arguments, you guys. I noticed that, too, Sori-chan. Except I do see more relationships that are like NaruSaku and less like NaruHina. But they are both cliches. And so is the girl going for the good-looking guy. thats also a cliche. Even in American shows.

I agree, Smiter-sama. They're personality and relationship is so great.

[Random Nobody]

About the cliché argument, I faintly remember this post made by someone over at NarutoForums a long time ago. I'm sorry I can't remember who it was. happy.gif;; I think it's somewhere in the NaruSaku FC thread.

Anyway, he was saying that he usually hates main character pairings with a passion because they are usually so clichéd. Like, say, Naru and Keitaro of Love Hina. Or Belldandy and Keiichi of Ah! My Goddess!

HOWEVER, he loved NaruSaku because, while it is a main character pairing, it does not feel that cliché. That's because of all the development we have seen in that relationship, most especifically the foundations of their feelings. He loved how NaruSaku had solid reasons to happen and had realistic growth, rather than going for the "they're in love because they're in love!" cliché.

I thought it was a very good post, because that is also why I love the NaruSaku pairing so much. smile.gif You can see why Naruto loves Sakura, and why Sakura is falling for him. You actually care what happens to the two and end up wanting to see them get together! They are both great characters and Kishimoto has done a very good job (so far) with nuturing their relationship.

You talking about this post Smiter?

You know, I have a confession to make: I loath main character pairings with a passion. Why? It's because no matter how much you argue in favor for that pairing, you cannot deny that the only reason the two are together is because they are the male and female leads. More often then not, the developer/writer/whoever just slaps the two together and goes nowhere with them because it's understood that the two are a couple. Either that or so much time is spend on emphasizing the fact that the two are a couple that it becomes downright annoying. *Glares at FF8 and Inuyasha*

However, I really, really like the idea of Naruto and Sakura getting together because, for the first time in recent memory, the writer has given us an actual reason why the two fall in love.

It makes sense if you think about it, really. I mean, when the story started, Naruto had absolutely nothing. He was the worst ninja in his class and no one paid any attention to him. I can't begin to tell you how many times I muttered: "No respect, no respect at all" as I watched the earlier episodes. However, as the story progressed, this started to change. Naruto improved and people started to pay attention to him. It is clear now that Kishimoto wanted to show that Naruto had to earn everything he ever wanted. To emphasis this fact, Kishimoto deliberately gave Sauske everything that Naruto wanted but didn't have: Everyone respected him, he was a genius ninja with good looks and a powerful bloodline, and had Sakura's love. To be completely honest, if this were any other anime, Sauske would've been the main character.

Like I already said, Naruto had to earn what he wanted, and if you go back and look at the story again, you'll see that Naruto is slowly earning Sakura's affection.

That was made by Red Viking in the NaruSaku FC and I thinks its what Smiter was talking about. Also its a great post and it reminds me of why I love NaruSaku.

[gamerman_007]

Hello all! Do you know what time it is?
Yes its that time!

Time for..........

......dumb_ss posts from NMR!

Spoiler! --Click here to view--

Gamerman I see you are stirring up some anti-naruhina writing (kukuku). (addressed to everyone) I’d like to say that relationships in Naruto are opinion based since events that are inconclusive can influence a different meaning among different people. I’d like to point out that this thread is for believers of NaruHina, therefore, I would think it would be safe to propose that people not target NaruHina by pushing in rebellion with another different pairing.

Unallowednickname, I admire your debate skills. Good job on stating some valuable and extraordinary points on your second previous post.

Tran_miller you bring up a very good point I have overlooked. SasuSaku is a very probable relationship bent on happening if and when Sasuke returns to konoha. Eventually all good-guys-gone-bad realize their mistake (or die trying [Spiderman 2’s Doc Ock for example]), and Kishimoto doesn’t exactly screw over good guys (Neji, Chouji, etc.), plus if sasuke were not to come back it would destroy Naruto’s very purpose as a ninja. Sasuke also thanked Sakura b4 leaving, meaning he feels something for her.

As far as the topic question concerns I believe Kishimoto can take their romance pretty deep. Kishimoto created Hinata and Naruto to have much in common. They both, strive and never give up, work hard, been outsiders/ignored because of a physical abnormality (Kyuubi, hinata’s personality, weak body) and most notable of all, they share the same nindo (ninja way, pledge, oath, purpose, etc.). Lee and Sakura didn’t fail to mention to Naruto that “she’s strong, and a lot like you” and “I’ve noticed she’s always staring at you”. Naruto and Hinata, peculiarly enough, have shown faster development of friendship, understanding, and recognition than any other character bonds in the series. Judging from the one meeting they had b4 the exam prelims in real world time of approximately 10-20 minutes. So in my eyes fans are correct in assuming they’ll grow closer with a quality teary flashback talk about their pasts and/or personal lives. Oh and how could we forget that official NaruHina fluff line “I like people like you” :3 x 100 trillion.

A very unusual fact is that Hinata has not seen Naruto’s Kyuubi outburst at the Chuunin fight against Neji. Her passing out scene was planned out a bit too perfect right before Naruto’s comeback. Foreshadowing that maybe in the future (and used in many fanfics) that when Naruto would start seeing her as more than a friend he’d have to confess Kyuubi to her having conflicting emotions whether to risk either her acceptance or the fear of rejection and further pain if she saw him as a monster. Which of course Hinata would accept him.

Fillers are fillers however it’d be very difficult for Kishimoto to explain the below scenes to the anime viewers if he decides not to put them together. It could raise suspicion to the fans in the quality of the series bringing them to say “bad fractured anime series”. Now Naruto unknowingly thinks of Hinata as an “ultra pretty girl”, and has held her in his arms saying, “You’re really amazing”. Many could argue that Naruto would show the same to his other friends, but consider it had been say, Chouji. I doubt he’d say “Ultra cool fat guy splashing around at the base of the waterfall, or cradling him in his arms saying “You’re really amazing”. Lmao

As a base: Hinata loves Naruto from afar, unintentionally showing her strength/determination. Naruto at least considers Hinata a friend, if not more. They have much in common, they understand, respect, and admire each other’s purposes and determination. I can’t see why they couldn’t develop a stronger and romantic relationship.

NaruHina is canon in my heart, absolute in my gut and the facts are lain in my mind. My thanks and regards to everyone who believes in NaruHina.

I dunno whether to be amused or annoyed.

[surlymoogle]

SasuSaku is a very probable relationship bent on happening if and when Sasuke returns to konoha

Yeah, and that's so likely to happen within the next 100 or so chapters, huh? Also, Sasuke would kind of have to have actual interest in Sakura first in order for that to be in danger of happening.

plus if sasuke were not to come back it would destroy Naruto's very purpose as a ninja.

Huh, I thought Naruto's "very purpose" was to become Hokage, since it's why he became a ninja in the first place. And Sasuke's coming back is really a decision only he can make, eh?

Sasuke also thanked Sakura b4 leaving, meaning he feels something for her.

Yes, that would be called "gratitude." However, the SasuSakus are welcome to indulge in their silly notion that a simple "Thank you" somehow means he wants to jump her bones.

As far as the topic question concerns I believe Kishimoto can take their romance pretty deep.

Don't you think if he planned on doing that, he might have started, y'know, at least a hundred or so chapters ago? Perhaps three hundred and some odd chapters ago, like when he started laying the groundwork for Naruto and Sakura's relationship? As opposed to crowbarring it in this late in the game?

Pretty deep indeed. *snorts*

ETA: Stupid quote tags!

Kishimoto created Hinata and Naruto to have much in common. They both, strive and never give up

Which also applies to Naruto and Lee--are they destined too?

been outsiders/ignored because of a physical abnormality

Oh, my, that sounds like Naruto and Gaara--clearly, they're meant to be--

and most notable of all, they share the same nindo (ninja way, pledge, oath, purpose, etc.).

If you're referring to perseverance, Naruto shares that with a number of characters. If you're going to drag out the hoary old "desire to be acknowledged" thing again, it might help to read the manga and realize that Naruto in fact achieved THAT goal some time ago.

Naruto and Hinata, peculiarly enough, have shown faster development of friendship, understanding, and recognition than any other character bonds in the series. Judging from the one meeting they had b4 the exam prelims in real world time of approximately 10-20 minutes.

It's so cute how they make that scene out to be an earth-moving experience in which "the world fell silent and Naruto and Hinata achieved a deep and mystical understanding in 10 minutes of mostly one-sided conversation." Ah, you NaruHinas go ahead and snuggle up to your 10 minutes; us NaruSakus have chapter upon chapter of REAL character development to console ourselves with. We'll live.

So in my eyes fans are correct in assuming they'll grow closer with a quality teary flashback talk about their pasts and/or personal lives.

Yeah, I'm really sure that's high on Naruto's agenda. He might have trouble fitting it in between saving Sasuke and fleeing from Akatsuki. And since when did Naruto become some self-pitying, woe-is-me emo loser who was EVER prone to having "teary flashback talks"? Get your head out of bad fanfic and pay attention to the canon, please.

Oh and how could we forget that official NaruHina fluff line "I like people like you"

Again, you assign so much weight and significance to a quote that means so little. Touching, really.

It could raise suspicion to the fans in the quality of the series bringing them to say "bad fractured anime series".

It "could"? It HAS. Where've you been, under a rock on Mars with your eyes shut and your fingers in your ears? (It would explain your ignoring canon...)

As a base: Hinata loves Naruto from afar, unintentionally showing her strength/determination. Naruto at least considers Hinata a friend, if not more.

Oh, tell me, one of such improbable knowledge, exactly where it says that Hinata "loves" Naruto. Because I know it doesn't say that in the databook. And no, Naruto doesn't see her as "more" than a friend; he'd kind of have to spend more than TEN MINUTES talking to her for that.

NaruHina is canon in my heart, absolute in my gut

To be processed through your bowels? Well, it IS crap...

I dunno whether to be amused or annoyed.

Be amused, Gamerman. Be VERY amused.

[MBKon]

NaruHina is canon in my heart, absolute in my gut

To be processed through your bowels? Well, it IS crap...

My stomache hurts from laughing.

[Random Nobody]

I agree with surly and MBKon, that post was just amusing. Oh I especially liked this part.

I’d like to say that relationships in Naruto are opinion based since events that are inconclusive can influence a different meaning among different people

I bolded the hilarious part. I mean can you believe it? Pairings are opinion based? I never would have figured that out! Ah those silly NaruHinas and their mastery of pointing out the obvious.

[Ani]

I agree with them. Be very amused, gamer-kun.

Yeah, Hinata and Naruto have so much in common. Puh-leese. Naruto and Sakura have more in common. Naruto has been accepted by people, so the whole Naruto and Hinata have that in common is over with. Hinata doesn't love Naruto. She strives to be like him.

I hate NaruHinas who change Hinata's character completely and saying she was created to be Naruto's snuggle buddy.

[Random Nobody]

I just realized something... SasuSaku's and NaruHina's claim that Naruto and Sakura won't get together because Jiraiya and Tsunade never did.

Well it's not like Tsunade liked and got with Orochimaru now did she?

Not to mention that even though Jiraiya asked Tsunade on dates and it's apparent that he likes her NOW. Who's to say he did back then considering he mocked her for having a flat chest?

I mean heck Naruto doesn't mock Sakura for that.

So all in all while Team 7 are the new sennin's... well they aren't the same as the originals.

You know what the funniest part about that theory is Aethos? If Naruto and Sakura can't get together because Jiraiya and Tsunade didn't then Sasuke and Sakura can't happen and neither can Naruto and Hinata. After all, Orochimaru and Tsunade never got together so Sasuke and Sakura can't and Jiraya never got together with anyone else, at least not seriously, so Naruto and Hinata can't get together. I love how their anti-NaruSaku logic contradicts SasuSaku and NaruHina too

[surlymoogle]

I just realized something... SasuSaku's and NaruHina's claim that Naruto and Sakura won't get together because Jiraiya and Tsunade never did.

That's one of the classic "shoot self in foot" arguments. There's no evidence to suggest that Jiraiya liked Tsunade when they were genin--on the contrary, we only see them antagonizing each other. I don't think he came around until after they went through puberty. And also there's zero evidence that Tsunade had any sort of "feelings" for Orochimaru outside of generic camaraderie and respect for his skills--which probably evaporated once he defected.

Lest they forget, the major difference between the Sannin and Team 7: that the latter will succeed where the former failed. That's the whole point of drawing those comparisons in the first place.

I think the SasuSaku/NaruHinas making this argument would do well to remember the old adage: "Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

[Smiter]

You talking about this post Smiter?

You know, I have a confession to make: I loath main character pairings with a passion. Why? It's because no matter how much you argue in favor for that pairing, you cannot deny that the only reason the two are together is because they are the male and female leads. More often then not, the developer/writer/whoever just slaps the two together and goes nowhere with them because it's understood that the two are a couple. Either that or so much time is spend on emphasizing the fact that the two are a couple that it becomes downright annoying. *Glares at FF8 and Inuyasha*

However, I really, really like the idea of Naruto and Sakura getting together because, for the first time in recent memory, the writer has given us an actual reason why the two fall in love.

It makes sense if you think about it, really. I mean, when the story started, Naruto had absolutely nothing. He was the worst ninja in his class and no one paid any attention to him. I can't begin to tell you how many times I muttered: "No respect, no respect at all" as I watched the earlier episodes. However, as the story progressed, this started to change. Naruto improved and people started to pay attention to him. It is clear now that Kishimoto wanted to show that Naruto had to earn everything he ever wanted. To emphasis this fact, Kishimoto deliberately gave Sauske everything that Naruto wanted but didn't have: Everyone respected him, he was a genius ninja with good looks and a powerful bloodline, and had Sakura's love. To be completely honest, if this were any other anime, Sauske would've been the main character.

Like I already said, Naruto had to earn what he wanted, and if you go back and look at the story again, you'll see that Naruto is slowly earning Sakura's affection.

That was made by Red Viking in the NaruSaku FC and I thinks its what Smiter was talking about. Also its a great post and it reminds me of why I love NaruSaku.

That is the exact post, Random.

Go easy on the NaruHinas/SasuSakus. ; It's fine to take their arguments apart, just remember not to bash them (as in personal insults), even if it may seem very tempting to do so.

But I am very much agreed with others on the response. I truly believe that if Kishimoto were to explore NaruHina more, or even have Hinata as a potential love rival in a future love triangle, then he would have laid some foundations down in Part One, or even when we saw Hinata again in Part Two. But we have only had a short conversation during the Chuunin Exam Arc. Naruto only fought for Hinata because he could see she was also suffering. After that arc, he does not even think about her!

As it stands, Hinata's role is pretty much that of "the little girl who idolises the hero". As Surly mentioned, the databook even lists her feelings towards Naruto as those of admiration.

It is a shame that a few people only concentrate on tiny parts of the manga story in order to try and justify their pairing as "canon" - even if the story appears to be going the other way.

can·on (kăn'ən) n. A factual statement or event that has already been established in the source material i.e. the original story.

By this definition, NaruHina is not canon. Neither is NaruSaku. Why? Simply put, it is because neither pairing has yet occured - i.e. they have not kissed, nor declared themselves an item. A one-sided relationship (NaruHina) is not a canon pairing. Simply because one half of the pairing is in love with the other, it does mean it will happen. The other may never return his/her feelings.

Whereas NaruSaku fans know their pairing cannot be called canon, we do know that Sakura is showing signs of returning Naruto's feelings, thus we have solid belief that the pairing has a strong chance in the future.

Damn, I would talk more, but unfortunately I have to go to work!