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Yeah your not making Sakura look any better Kishi. Getting saved AGAIN and then pulling an asspull like that by giving Kakashi the Sharingan from someone who is pushing up daisies and then have immediate access to the Susano?

 

Yeah Kishi seems to be getting worse and worse at developing his female characters. My fear of Sakura sticking to sidelines and being remembered as such is slowing becoming true...

Hey, at least she got a new speed feat

Now that Kakashi was given a powerup in order to fight against Kaguya I have the feeling that there's a good chance Sakura might get one next. It would be awkward for Sakura to just stand there while the guys do the fighting, especially after how much of a big deal she keeps making of not wanting to be left behind by Naruto and Sasuke.

 

It just doesn't make sense to involve Kakashi in the fight and leave Sakura behind. It should be either just Naruto and Sasuke or all of Team 7. It might not happen the very next chapter, but I think it will at some point in the near future.

I have been thinking about this too and keep thinking about Kaguya who is now transforming into some kind of rabbit.. everything behind the myth kishi inspired kaguya from comes to fruition... So i just can't stop thinking about the rabbit thing which also had a bamboo thing in the story and sakura while being drawn with her bigg axes was also drawn with a bamboo cutting knife in her mouth... Which is the exact one the Death Shinigami has on its mouth who is highly similar to Kaguya. Then Kaguya has those ears and Mito's hair is drawn in 2 buns which represent bun ears or something like that (insert Sailor Moon reference here - Usagi's hairstyle), which was also shown having Byakugou which Sakura has which signifies the third eye on the forehead which Kaguya has.
So you see, there are so maby connections here but I can't guess where Kishi is going with atm. Because he is, I just can't guess it.
Where to add that Hamura if we take it into account would also lead to Sakura...

I commend your hopes/faith in Sakura getting a powerup, I'm not getting my hopes up since this is kishimoto we're talking about 

i only hope that Hamura isn't the hyuuga ancestor...

I mean, he does look like he has the byugakun

But it isn't confirmed

Edited by TheMagicConch, 08 August 2014 - 06:58 PM.

[luffyq1]

Like I said, there are series where the males are absolutely useless and/or are the damsels in distress. Sailor Moon, Tokyo Mew Mew, etc, but there is also series where females are just as badass as the males like Kaze No Stigma, High School of the Dead, Evangelion, Outlaw Star, Soul Eater, Witch Hunter Robin.

I wish we can find a statistical chart that shows which side suffers more from this treatment, males or females? I have a good feeling which one it is.
 

There are badass females in this series, but let's be honest when you say "badass females" you are really just talking about Sakura only and how many of us want her to stop being the damsel in distress. If I am not mistaken, Kaguya can be seen as a female badass and has been more than capable of holding her own, but nobody really cares about that. At least Sakura doesn't need to be rescued from White Zetsus like Hinata had to be, but this gets brushed off because she is a side character and nobody cares about them. I don't know if that makes it worst or what. Temari was a badass that lead an army of her own and you have the two female Kages that put up huge fights, but again no one really cares about these either.

You're right, I'm talking about Sakura but there are other female characters that I like in this series or could have liked if they were handled better. I don't view Kaguya as badass at all. Her buildup as a villain was by far the worst in this series for me. And doesn't it seem like Zetsu is doing the decision making for her? And I couldn't agree more on Hinata. I have never seen a female characters flaw get this swept under the rug like hers. It's downright pathetic what Kishi has done to this character. Do side characters deserve this kind of treatment?

Oh, and I care about Tsunade but not much about Mei since I tend not to like characters that are introduced late in the series, but I can sympathize though. Tsunade and Mei have held off their own against Faildara. I just don't like how Kishi made Faildara insult Tsunade the way he did even if it was to prove a point.
 

One major problem is is how Naruto was said to be this "child of prophecy" and how he is going to lead the new generation. Well, you can't be that if you can't even take on the most difficult challenges and inspire people like he does. Sasuke on the other hand.....yeah, I am not going to talk about it.

All true.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yeah. It's demographic is supposed to be about the males. Whether people agree with this or not, this is how it is supposed to be. Unless we want to start complaining how Bulma was useless in Dragonball Z throughout the entire Namek Saga.
 

Happens to males too in Shojo manga and even in some harems.

Wow just wow.

 

What about Kill la Kill and other animes/mangas.

 

Inst about demographic it's the fact that Kishimoto admitted he suck at drawing heroines and did not effort to improve it.

He focused the story on Naruto and Sasuke and never give any glimpses that he knew what to do with Sakura's characters since he did not even bothered on making her involved on the plot of the manga.

I really prefered her to be got caught on the tsukyomi than getting this role in the battle.

 

Dont come with "but Sakura give chakra to Obito open that portal, Obito had enough chakra to trasnfer his two sharingans and allow Kakashi to use Perfect Susano'o and use Kamui before he died.

He had plenty of it.

 

 

 

One major problem is is how Naruto was said to be this "child of prophecy" and how he is going to lead the new generation. Well, you can't be that if you can't even take on the most difficult challenges and inspire people like he does. Sasuke on the other hand.....yeah, I am not going to talk about it.
 

 

The child of prophecy also says that Naruto needed the help of his friends to succeed and this was enforced couple of times.
And all i see is Naruto going like "I got this modafoca" and handling it all by himself + Sasuke and some minors like Kakashi and/or Gai.

And he trust on the power of his friends so much that he has to sacrifice his own power to give some of his to them.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 August 2014 - 07:43 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

I wish we can find a statistical chart that shows which side suffers more from this treatment, males or females? I have a good feeling which one it is.
 

You're right, I'm talking about Sakura but there are other female characters that I like in this series or could have liked if they were handled better. I don't view Kaguya as badass at all. Her buildup as a villain was by far the worst in this series for me. And doesn't it seem like Zetsu is doing the decision making for her? And I couldn't agree more on Hinata. I have never seen a female characters flaw get this swept under the rug like hers. It's downright pathetic what Kishi has done to this character. Do side characters deserve this kind of treatment?

Oh, and I care about Tsunade but not much about Mei since I tend not to like characters that are introduced late in the series, but I can sympathize though. Tsunade and Mei have held off their own against Faildara. I just don't like how Kishi made Faildara insult Tsunade the way he did even if it was to prove a point.
 

Let me ask you an even bigger question: Do you like it when the males are treated poorly in manga by the strong females? Do you care at all? From the way people talk, and my own experiences, males really don't show much interest when males are depicted as weak or feeble. We really don't care all that much. Did anyone care how Keitaro was treated poorly by Naru and the rest of the girls and was called stupid and blamed for things that weren't really his fault? You got Asuka from Evangelion who abused Shinji like crazy over jealousy and technically was both smarter and better than him in every way. Does that bother you in any way?

What about Ghost in the Shell with Major Motoko? There is a female who basically kicks everyone's butt and wears skimpy clothing or even nothing at all while she does it.

You don't view Kaguya as a badass at all, but that doesn't mean she isn't and doesn't mean you can ignore the traits she possesses. Besides, Naruto and Sasuke were damsels in distress a few times and no one complains about that. Sasuke the worst of it with him being stabbed by his own sword. That's really is pathetic. He has also been a damsel in distress a few times by my calculations in this fight where Naruto has to save him.

What do you define as a badass female anyway? Is she always perfect and never needing saving? Is she always fighting and top notch skills? Does she have flaws or is she basically a Mary Sue? You look at other females which is fine and I can see your logic, but did you expect them to fight Kaguya? Did you expect them to win that fight against Kaguya and be the heroes of the story? Did you expect Temari do just own Madara with her fan and save the army?

Of course not. I always knew Naruto would be the one to do most of the fighting against the big bad. What I didn't expect thought was Sasuke joining in that fight and it seemed almost arbitrary for him to be in the war at all.

 

 

Wow just wow.

 

What about Kill la Kill and other animes/mangas.

 

Inst about demographic it's the fact that Kishimoto admitted he suck at drawing heroines and did not effort to improve it.

He focused the story on Naruto and Sasuke and never give any glimpses that he knew what to do with Sakura's characters since he did not even bothered on making her involved on the plot of the manga.

I really prefered her to be got caught on the tsukyomi than getting this role in the battle.

 

Dont come with "but Sakura give chakra to Obito open that portal, Obito had enough chakra to trasnfer his two sharingans and allow Kakashi to use Perfect Susano'o and use Kamui before he died.

He had plenty of it.

Dark, you have to understand that just because you point out one example, doesn't mean that is the majority of it. Like I just gave, there are examples of all different types of manga and character set ups where females are considered stronger than the males and other examples where they are both equal in strength. Kaze No Stigma has it where the female is just as badass as the male and she has her moments of pure badassness. I could say Full Metal Panic as well with Tessarosa and Melissa Mao and maybe even Chidori.

And again, you act like Naruto is the ONLY series you watch despite bringing up examples. I have not seen anyone here bring up how Bulma, Videl, and Chi-Chi are treated. I don't see people complaining about Gurren Lagann with Yoko and how she gets sidelined after a while. She barely does anything mid to late series. "Why can't Bulma be as badass as Goku? That's stupid."

You bring up these ideals which are fine and have merit, but you only like to apply them to Naruto alone and only to certain characters you deem important. High School of the Dead has examples of all different types of characters ranging from both male and female damsels in distress and male and female badassery. If you have to bring up an argument or an ideal, you have to apply it to every situation regardless of personal feelings. You can't just selectively pick and choose what you want otherwise your results may vary and people will find fault with it.

Desert Punk has Junko who beats Kanta at almost every turn.

Like I said above, Sasuke got stabbed by his own sword and and nearly killed by Madara that easily. Many people, I know one in particular, finds that really hard to swallow and facepalm at it.

 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 08 August 2014 - 08:21 PM.

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Wow just wow.

 

What about Kill la Kill and other animes/mangas.

 

Inst about demographic it's the fact that Kishimoto admitted he suck at drawing heroines and did not effort to improve it.

He focused the story on Naruto and Sasuke and never give any glimpses that he knew what to do with Sakura's characters since he did not even bothered on making her involved on the plot of the manga.

I really prefered her to be got caught on the tsukyomi than getting this role in the battle.

 

Dont come with "but Sakura give chakra to Obito open that portal, Obito had enough chakra to trasnfer his two sharingans and allow Kakashi to use Perfect Susano'o and use Kamui before he died.

He had plenty of it.

 

 

 

 

The child of prophecy also says that Naruto needed the help of his friends to succeed and this was enforced couple of times.
And all i see is Naruto going like "I got this modafoca" and handling it all by himself + Sasuke and some minors like Kakashi and/or Gai.

And he trust on the power of his friends so much that he has to sacrifice his own power to give some of his to them.

See you see a negative, I see a positive(s)

It showed how much chakra her seal really has(for the haters)

It shows that her seal won't disappear just like that and have to wait another three years to reappear(again for the haters) 

It showed how she was saving Sasuke because of Naruto(not saying it's a pairing moment, but still)

It also showed another reaction/speed feat with the whole acid thing

[Chatte]

The only problem with Sakura is that people want her more involved in battle becausw let's admit it her battle with Sasori was awesome. If we were to have more moments like that things would be differently. Hell even in Part 1 it's like she had more battles...

[FireFox]

 

i thought about Hyuuga rules... These Hagoromo and Hamura seems two kids bore in the same moment, twins in a brief.... What if this Hamura was the "Hizashi" of the situation?

Yeah, he could be the uzumaki ancestor, Kushina even said that Uzumaki clan has some distant relatives with Senju clan... Just like when Kakashi said some rumours say that the sharingan comes from the byakugan... But How? °_° We know that Indra, the uchiha ancestor, had the rinnegan... lol

 I have a theory about this . What if Indra is the actual son of Hamura and Hagoromo adopted him after Hamura's death ? We have Sasuke parallel to Hamura and Naruto to Hagoromo why ? Besides Hagoromo was the only one known as the SO6P  through the whole story no info on Hamura whatsoever till recently why is that if both the brothers were fighting Kaguya and the Juubi why Hagoromo was the more famous one out of the two ?  I believe that Hamura died in that fight against Kaguya in the end and Hagoromo took Indra under his care thus making him his other son .

 

Now the reason I don't believe that the Uzumaki's are related to Hamura in the first place is bc it posses to many questions and some minor contradictions . What I mean is when Kushina explained  the history of the Uzumaki clan why was it said that they were only related to the Senju if they didn't derived directly from them from them ? Why not mention the Uciha's also or the Hyuga's if the Uzumakis are indeed  related to Hamura as well as the Hyuga's  shouldn't they be more close to them then the Senju's then ?

 

I believe that the info is correct and that the Uzumaki's are more connected to Senju's  as well as the Hyuga's to the Uciha's and maybe what Kakashi said in P1 is true about the rumor that the Hyuga clan came before the Uciha's  or the Byakugan before the Sharingan who knows  but I think that the Uzumaki's come from the Hagoromo's Senju side not the other way around  the only thing that connects Indra and the Uciha's with Hagoromo is that third eye of the Juubi's/Kaguya's Rinnengan but it won't be a stretch if its proven that Hamura had the Byakugan and the Sharingan later comes from there imo .

[FireFox]

The only problem with Sakura is that people want her more involved in battle becausw let's admit it her battle with Sasori was awesome. If we were to have more moments like that things would be differently. Hell even in Part 1 it's like she had more battles...

To bad Kishimoto made Sasuke the Heroin of this manga and no kidding he really said that Sasuke is like a Heroin  .

So this is why Sakura's suffers from having so little action its bc Sasuke took all of her spotlight   and I have to say watching this manga and NaruSasu BS all over it I can't say its not the truth   .

[Chatte]

To bad Kishimoto made Sasuke the Heroin of this manga and no kidding he really said that Sasuke is like a Heroin  .
So this is why Sakura's suffers from having so little action its bc Sasuke took all of her spotlight   and I have to say watching this manga and NaruSasu BS all over it I can't say its not the truth   .

I feel u. Also about your theory, it might actually be. But the thing with Uzumaki is that they have traits from both sides - strong chakra like Uchihas but also strong bodies like Senjus. Plus, above all that, they have also stong life force / longevity... The only thing they didn't get was the all-seeying powerful eyes..however they have it metaphorical via Byakugo. So really, who are these guys?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Not really sure. It almost feel like it requires another arc. Lol.

[James S Cassidy]

The only problem with Sakura is that people want her more involved in battle becausw let's admit it her battle with Sasori was awesome. If we were to have more moments like that things would be differently. Hell even in Part 1 it's like she had more battles...

 

You're right, I'm talking about Sakura but there are other female characters that I like in this series or could have liked if they were handled better. I don't view Kaguya as badass at all. Her buildup as a villain was by far the worst in this series for me. And doesn't it seem like Zetsu is doing the decision making for her? And I couldn't agree more on Hinata. I have never seen a female characters flaw get this swept under the rug like hers. It's downright pathetic what Kishi has done to this character. Do side characters deserve this kind of treatment?

Oh, and I care about Tsunade but not much about Mei since I tend not to like characters that are introduced late in the series, but I can sympathize though. Tsunade and Mei have held off their own against Faildara. I just don't like how Kishi made Faildara insult Tsunade the way he did even if it was to prove a point

 

I want to go a little deeper into this because I feel I didn't get my point across well enough. (Not your faults, but mine)

What I expected from this fight with Obito/Madara/Kaguya was that of Naruto taking the lead.I expected him to be the hero of this story and for him to win that battle in the end. I did not expect much of Sakura's involvement with this fight because I knew that while she is a main character, she us not supposed to be the hero. With that being said, I do agree that Sakura needed to do more in this war. I would have loved to see her fight Chiyo and actually show that instead of the Mifune vs Hanzo fight which I still believe was absolutely pointless. We do have Sakura having badass moments and I want people to admit that although I do see the frustrations with people having with it lately.

I don't think it is because of sexism, but rather because of the way the story is. So Naruto being the hero should be a given.

This is a kicker though and I feel where Kishi truly failed: Sasuke.
I will explain because I want people to at least understand my way of thinking. It's not my hatred of the character that makes feel this, but rather the reverse. It is because of this is the reason why I hate Sasuke's character a lot and I believe is the true thing to blame.

Sakura actually is a well written character and she became a good character through actual progress and not because "she had to be." That being said looking at Sasuke who basically had to be made more important and more essential to the plot so Kishi had to cut away to make room. I am not excusing it, I am just saying I think the problem is with Sasuke and not Sakura. I can see it on the pages as I read. Originally, Sasuke was just a lost soul that soon became a threat to Konoha's safety. I don't feel that threat from Sasuke anymore. I don't fee like "if Sasuke beats Naruto, then the world ends." I just don't feel that anymore. Many argue that Sasuke could still do evil, but he won't do as much evil as he did with original plan of "I want to destroy Konoha and kill everyone." That being said, Sasuke's pretty much been given everything to actually fit into the story. He was given powers by strange means and told that only he and Naruto can seal Kaguya with their Yin and Yang.

This is where my issues come in. In order to make Sasuke fit into the dynamic, you literally had to reduce Sakura and Kakashi down to nothing. (Let's be real here, this Kakashi power-up isn't really going to do much. We'll get nice flair, but that's it.) Imagine if Sasuke never showed up or wasn't apart of the battle. Now you have to rely on what is there and you have to make someone else step up to the plate. Here is where Sakura needed to do that. When Sasuke was never around, both Naruto and Sakura were seen as more powerful and better characters. I really mean this.

It's only until Sasuke has any relevance does Kishi kind of ignore stuff and give him more attention. So it is Kishimoto's fault and he has treated Sakura poorly, but only because of Sasuke and his character dynamic.

That's how I feel.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 08 August 2014 - 08:49 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Still waiting on the Hokages. Maybe they're growing another tree. It must be Earth day.

I should really do that post. Got a long wait.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 08 August 2014 - 08:57 PM.

[Chatte]

I do see from where you're coming James and I do agree with you even though I do like certain of Sasuke's character plot points. I do get also from Kishi is coming but is hurting his own manga...so you see, it's a in-between thing.
The reason I said about the fights is because that is the raw, most pure reason people are pissed at Kisi and thus, hate Sakura.
Haven't u seen how positive it was received when she did a CPR on Naruto? But when Kishi made that dumb move with having her saved when she was attacked by Madara made people rage and hate and call her useless again. People want Sakura to return back the kick so to speak. People want the Sasori Sakura. And tbh, I understand them... That was the manga's most beautiful time from many POV's, especially the one we are dealing with now. Back then we had a fair and shared amount of everyone, especially Naruto and Sakura, the hero and his heroine, both as a ship and separately. We had the right amount of Sasuke too. The minute Kishi cut this balance, he threw everything out...

[luffyq1]

Let me ask you an even bigger question: Do you like it when the males are treated poorly in manga by the strong females? Do you care at all? From the way people talk, and my own experiences, males really don't show much interest when males are depicted as weak or feeble. We really don't care all that much. Did anyone care how Keitaro was treated poorly by Naru and the rest of the girls and was called stupid and blamed for things that weren't really his fault? You got Asuka from Evangelion who abused Shinji like crazy over jealousy and technically was both smarter and better than him in every way. Does that bother you in any way?

I can't speak on the anime you've brought up since I haven't watched them. But what I can say is that no, I wouldn't like it if it was vice versa. I've seen both sides of the sex get treated this way, but I can say that females in the series that I've watch get this treatment more. I don't think you need a statistical chart that shows that the male audience is bigger in the Anime/Manga community. 
 

What about Ghost in the Shell with Major Motoko? There is a female who basically kicks everyone's butt and wears skimpy clothing or even nothing at all while she does it.

Fanservice exists on both sides of the spectrum, more so catered to the males. Doesn't make it right though.
 

You don't view Kaguya as a badass at all, but that doesn't mean she isn't and doesn't mean you can ignore the traits she possesses. Besides, Naruto and Sasuke were damsels in distress a few times and no one complains about that. Sasuke the worst of it with him being stabbed by his own sword. That's really is pathetic. He has also been a damsel in distress a few times by my calculations in this fight where Naruto has to save him.

Deeming someone badass is all subjectively speaking of course. Sure Naruto and Sasuke were in damsel situations, but we all know that won't last long and will eventually bounce back with some new technique. They have the luxury of being in a damnsel situation and not get relegated in the background.
 

What do you define as a badass female anyway? Is she always perfect and never needing saving? Is she always fighting and top notch skills? Does she have flaws or is she basically a Mary Sue? You look at other females which is fine and I can see your logic, but did you expect them to fight Kaguya? Did you expect them to win that fight against Kaguya and be the heroes of the story? Did you expect Temari do just own Madara with her fan and save the army?

Badass females are allowed to have flaws imo. Like you said, if she didn't have flaws she'd be a Mary Sue, which I find boring. If a female character were set up like Naruto and Sasuke and received just as much power-ups as the the two, then yes, I do expect them to fight Kaguya. But there are no such females that exist in this story that can go toe to toe with Kaguya like Naruto and Sasuke. If 5 Kages couldn't take down Madara, then I would not expect Temari to take him down, especially how Madara was built up before his arrival in the war. 
 

Of course not. I always knew Naruto would be the one to do most of the fighting against the big bad. What I didn't expect thought was Sasuke joining in that fight and it seemed almost arbitrary for him to be in the war at all.

Idk if this screams of favortism or Kishi ultimately building up the Naruto vs Sasuke fight. Probably both.

[James S Cassidy]

I do see from where you're coming James and I do agree with you even though I do like certain of Sasuke's character plot points. I do get also from Kishi is coming but is hurting his own manga...so you see, it's a in-between thing.
The reason I said about the fights is because that is the raw, most pure reason people are pissed at Kisi and thus, hate Sakura.
Haven't u seen how positive it was received when she did a CPR on Naruto? But when Kishi made that dumb move with having her saved when she was attacked by Madara made people rage and hate and call her useless again. People want Sakura to return back the kick so to speak. People want the Sasori Sakura. And tbh, I understand them... That was the manga's most beautiful time from many POV's, especially the one we are dealing with now. Back then we had a fair and shared amount of everyone, especially Naruto and Sakura, the hero and his heroine, both as a ship and separately. We had the right amount of Sasuke too. The minute Kishi cut this balance, he threw everything out...

And Sasuke was a good character for a while. He actually was a character that had his own motives, feelings, and what not, but to me that all fell out after Itachi died. When Itachi was delt with and Sauske was left without a motive, he basically was driven by the plot itself and just became what he needed to be. Now Sasuke changes on whims with very little reasoning and anyone, but Naruto can do it. That's what bothers me. When I read it, I feel like Kishi is sitting there saying "How can I make Sasuke more relevant until the big fight between him and Naruto? I can't exactly keep him out of the story for long because people will get suspicious and wonder what he has been doing this whole time." He started feeling more like a plot device rather than a growing character, He was no more than an object or a wall. Even now with Naruto's kind of attitude of "I can't be hokage because I can't even save my friends" it makes it seem more like an obstacle than a goal. Would Naruto still be Hokage even if he couldn't save Sasuke or if Sasuke died? It's something that has been plaguing my mind for a while and when I think I have an answer that gives me what I am looking for....something else counter-acts it.

As well, I think it is wrong to hate Sakura's character when the blame can be put on Kishimoto's love on Sasuke too much.

You want to see Sasori Sakura and her being that badass again and what not. That's fine. However, how many see that "Sasori Sakura" beating Kaguya without asspulls and making it legitimate? So I think we have to have a balance here. I think it is right to want her to be more useful, but at the same time I don't think we should just expect her to win the fight because that is mostly reserved for Naruto.
 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 08 August 2014 - 09:20 PM.

[FireFox]

I feel u. Also about your theory, it might actually be. But the thing with Uzumaki is that they have traits from both sides - strong chakra like Uchihas but also strong bodies like Senjus. Plus, above all that, they have also stong life force / longevity... The only thing they didn't get was the all-seeying powerful eyes..however they have it metaphorical via Byakugo. So really, who are these guys?

Yeah this is why I don't like original T7 as a whole its bc of the NaruSasu bromance and rivalry  the whole teamwork of T7 suffers mostly Sakura who can't fit into their theme this is why having a heavy rivalry in a team sucks  its the same thing in sports really Lol XD .

 

Well I hope its true as well as my theory of Oro resurrecting Mito and Kushina after the war that would be sweet XD .

I don't think it was ever said that the Uzumakis have a strong chakra was it ? I think its strong in the sense of subduing the Bijuu's under their control much like Hashirama's Mokuton their Chain Jutsu its what comes most close to this so I would compare them to Senju's in this also . But even if they might posses some minor traits of the Uciha's  they are more compared to the Senju's then anyone of the other clan's which means that their connection is with them  that they come from that side .

 

But I do wonder on who's side  their Fuinjutsu falls in is it from the Senju's lineage? I mean its something that's unique only to them  its a shame we have so little on them its the one problem I have with the manga I wished they were given more focus to them and the other clans instead of all this Uciha crap . But yeah the Uzumaki's are amazing with their sealing techniques especially the DRS , Byakugo and the Four and Eight Trigrams seals , and really they come as some sort of a very special bread have no clue what they really are but they are very much interesting and fun to explore  Lol XD .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 08 August 2014 - 09:26 PM.

[Nostradamus]

i only hope that Hamura isn't the hyuuga ancestor...

I have to quote a very important and amazing character in the "Naruto" universe. So here it is:

"The Hyuugas Are The Strongest Of The Leaf!" - Hiashi Hyuuga.

So it makes perfect sense that Hamura is a Hyuuga ancestor.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Serious question and most likely not the real place to ask, but you think with 50 shades being big is an indication on why we have pairing wars in any circumstances. Like people can't really accept abuse, will they?

[Hanabi]

I have to quote a very important and amazing character in the "Naruto" universe. So here it is:

"The Hyuugas Are The Strongest Of The Leaf!" - Hiashi Hyuuga.

So it makes perfect sense that Hamura is a Hyuuga ancestor.

staph it 

[James S Cassidy]

I can't speak on the anime you've brought up since I haven't watched them. But what I can say is that no, I wouldn't like it if it was vice versa. I've seen both sides of the sex get treated this way, but I can say that females in the series that I've watch get this treatment more. I don't think you need a statistical chart that shows that the male audience is bigger in the Anime/Manga community. Fanservice exists on both sides of the spectrum, more so catered to the males. Doesn't make it right though.

True, but we then have to blame society for it and not the writer's themselves. Even advertisements are fanservice where the girls are toned hourglass shaped and men are muscular and well fit. I don't see a lot of normal or even ugly looking people in the word of fiction and advertisement. I have one example of a certain type of male fanservice.

Ever see Ouren High School Host club? Probably not, but in that story the males are depicted as mostly sex symbols with their leader being especially stupid to the point of mockery with the female lead outdoing the males a lot.

It is one reason I do hate Disney channel for this though because all these shows have the males being stupid and jockey while the females are intelligent and amazing.
 

Deeming someone badass is all subjectively speaking of course. Sure Naruto and Sasuke were in damsel situations, but we all know that won't last long and will eventually bounce back with some new technique. They have the luxury of being in a damnsel situation and not get relegated in the background.

Personally speaking, I still don't find Sasuke to be a badass because of his arbitrary nature and bad plot devices. I still find Sakura to be a bigger badass than Sasuke despite how she is treated in this fight.
 

Badass females are allowed to have flaws imo. Like you said, if she didn't have flaws she'd be a Mary Sue, which I find boring. If a female character were set up like Naruto and Sasuke and received just as much power-ups as the the two, then yes, I do expect them to fight Kaguya. But there are no such females that exist in this story that can go toe to toe with Kaguya like Naruto and Sasuke. If 5 Kages couldn't take down Madara, then I would not expect Temari to take him down, especially how Madara was built up before his arrival in the war. 

Yeah, however, the the females are not the hero. The manga is named Naruto...not Sakura. The argument can be made about Sasuke and how much bull that is and I agree that Sakura should have had more importance than Sasuke, but...-sigh- "We have to make Sasuke important some how."

Edited by James S Cassidy, 08 August 2014 - 09:39 PM.