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[luffyq1]

NH becoming canon in a dream is something I still consider revealing your signature move too early. It's the fact that Kishi took the time draw that little panel of them finally being together. When NS is revealed to be canon it'll be just like Obito's reveal. It'll blow up right in your face and the internet will shut down.

 

A kitten storm is a brewing people.

[Otaru]

I'm a little sad when I think about Kishi, because I think he's affected by the hate Sakura's getting, and I'm almost sure he did this chapter like that to try to have readers to empathise with Sakura, but when I look around the web, very little fans acknowledging the fact that Sasuke was really harsh and that Sakura doesn't deserve that.

On the contrary, I can read things like " Sakura deserved it " , or " thank you Sasuke you shut the fodder kunoichi " or anything else.. it's just harsher and harsher every time.

At Kishi's place, I would be sad.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

NH becoming canon in a dream is something I still consider revealing your signature move too early. It's the fact that Kishi took the time draw that little panel of them finally being together. When NS is revealed to be canon it'll be just like Obito's reveal. It'll blow up right in your face and the internet will shut down.
 
A kitten storm is a brewing people.

Or he can just troll everyone with a team 7 ending.
I think the biggest problem is that how is heavily hinted that Kaguya and the whole chakra thing become the problem of Naruto's world.
Kaguya is being the source of the whole problems of the shinobi world, not wonder if somehow they go back in time and kill her.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 May 2014 - 12:14 AM.

[Otaru]

NH becoming canon in a dream is something I still consider revealing your signature move too early. It's the fact that Kishi took the time draw that little panel of them finally being together. When NS is revealed to be canon it'll be just like Obito's reveal. It'll blow up right in your face and the internet will shut down.

 

A kitten storm is a brewing people.

 

Yeah Kishi would never reveal something that will happen in the future for real like that.

[TheFirstEvil100]

NH becoming canon in a dream is something I still consider revealing your signature move too early. It's the fact that Kishi took the time draw that little panel of them finally being together. When NS is revealed to be canon it'll be just like Obito's reveal. It'll blow up right in your face and the internet will shut down.

 

A kitten storm is a brewing people.

or when Sakura show how truly bad ass she can be and what ever else Kishi is planing with Team 7, but yeah when NS come true that day oh boy it will be fun to watch.

[Shadow Wolf]

Kinda reminds me of the following song lyric: "Mental fiction, follow me, and show me what is like to be set."

[Gojira]

Anyone else think/hope the airing wars are coming to close pretty soon because of how much Kishi's been going to town on them lately?

I mean in the last 50 chapters alone what he establishes is that SS is dead NH is an impossible dream, and NS has so many large hints thrown around its flat out inevitable at this point.

[luffyq1]

Or he can just troll everyone with a team 7 ending.
I think the biggest problem is that how is heavily hinted that Kaguya and the whole chakra thing become the problem of Naruto's world.
Kaguya is being the source of the whole problems of the shinobi world, not wonder if somehow they go back in time and kill her.

That too lol

[TheFirstEvil100]

I'm a little sad when I think about Kishi, because I think he's affected by the hate Sakura's getting, and I'm almost sure he did this chapter like that to try to have readers to empathise with Sakura, but when I look around the web, very little fans acknowledging the fact that Sasuke was really harsh and that Sakura doesn't deserve that.

On the contrary, I can read things like " Sakura deserved it " , or " thank you Sasuke you shut the fodder kunoichi " or anything else.. it's just harsher and harsher every time.

At Kishi's place, I would be sad.

Otaru its not just Sakura sadly they are doing it to Kakashi as well some calling him a useless fodder now, I mean can anyone see a pattern here? Whenever Sasuke says something about someone all the fans just go yep Sasuke word is god whatever he says we like and know its true, I mean what is Sasuke said I will be a better Hokage than you Naruto many will just *Yep we know you would be better that Naruto, Sasuke.* 

[Otaru]

Otaru its not just Sakura sadly they are doing it to Kakashi as well some calling him a useless fodder now, I mean can anyone see a pattern here? Whenever Sasuke says something about someone all the fans just go yep Sasuke word is god whatever he says we like and know its true, I mean what is Sasuke said I will be a better Hokage than you Naruto many will just *Yep we know you would be better that Naruto, Sasuke.* 

 

I'm sure Kishi will not let Kakashi that way.

 

The fanbase just tiring me of.

 

They are too bashing it's really hard to enjoy reading with that kitten everywere.

 

They failed to see what Kishimoto wanted to say.

[TheFirstEvil100]

 

I'm sure Kishi will not let Kakashi that way.

 

The fanbase just tiring me of.

 

They are too bashing it's really hard to enjoy reading with that kitten everywere.

 

They failed to see what Kishimoto wanted to say.

True I just pray to god he knows about this, that Kishi knows all the BS that the fans are saying just because of Sasuke's fans, but yeah the fan-base are just tiring me out so much right now. As you got it right they all Failed to see what Kishimoto wanted them to see.

[Otaru]

True I just pray to god he knows about this, that Kishi knows all the BS that the fans are saying just because of Sasuke's fans, but yeah the fan-base are just tiring me out so much right now. As you got it right they all Failed to see what Kishimoto wanted them to see.

 

He obviously knows about some part of it, since that interview when he said that Sakura is not Hinata and so on.

I don't even understand them.

It's like the Infinite Tsukuyomi : they just want to live in their apparently perfect dream, and they don't analyse the reality to understand. It's not good to blind yourself.

It's a part of the message Kishi wants to send to the young ones, but I guess they are maybe too young to understand.

I still think most of the bashing and foolish fanbase are children, or not older than 16. Something like that.

 

We, in this forum, are in majority people that like to analyse and understand well a story IMO, that's why we believe in NaruSaku, we don't like it on a whim. We like it from the manga. Well maybe NaruHina or SasuSaku fans believe the same about them...

 

Also, I've always thought that people who like NaruHina or SasuSaku don't read that much mangas and don't understand very well the japanese way of telling those kind of stories in mangas. I may be wrong... but that the way I see it.

 

PS :

Edited by Otaru, 29 May 2014 - 01:15 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So...whose dream has their desire being most OoC? Pick only one.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 29 May 2014 - 01:25 AM.

[Phantom_999]

I highly disagree with you. You're right, it's about their deepest desire. But what you say makes no sense. So tenten has to work hard in order for Gai and Lee to be cool? Ino has to work hard for Sasuke and Sai to fight for her? Shino has to work hard to discover a new insect? Gaara has to work hard for his parents to come back alive? Shikamaru has to work hard to not being married to anyone?

It's just their deepedt wishes, and thoses wishes can't come true. 

Naruto's words meant that if they live in an illusion, it's just a big lie, not real happiness. That's all. 

 

Funny,  I did not recall my self saying to literally work for the dreams that they are seeing, did you? Did I say that Ino has to work hard to get Sai and Sasuke's attention or Ten Ten had to work hard to have Gai and Lee think they look cool? Shino could technically work hard to discover a new insect species by travelling around the world so that one isn't debunking anything actually. 

 

Like you said, The dreams they have are a false happiness, but why is it so? It's not because the dream is impossible for them to achieve (though the dead ones being with them are), but because it is a happiness given in exchange for their freedom of thought or action, a fantasy in which they do not need to work to achieve anything. That is not a life, as Naruto can fully understand. Does he for instance wish in the deepest parts of his being that his parents are alive and with him? Of course he does and I'm sure He'd see it in his Infinite Tsukuyomi, BUT he also realizes that because of his parents sacrifices that he ended being an orphan who grew up hated by the village. And because of that, he had to struggle and work his way into gaining his friends and recognition. When he says it's a lie, what he means is that no matter how wonderful the dream seems to them it is not a happiness gained by their own efforts. It is not something they achieved in reality but a blissful manipulation. And It is like you are invisible to everyone else just living in the comfort of your own satisfaction, which is like what his childhood was like; He was isolated on his own and had hardly, if any contact with anyone. It's Just being isolated in your own little world. If they want their happiness they should live and see it through in the real world whatever it may be. It does not necessarily mean what they actually see in the dreams. Their happiness could be something else in reality entirely but it is up to them to find it for them selves. That is what I meant, because Of course I know that it is only their deepest desires they see. But you don't satisfy any desire without feeling you have earned it first.

Edited by Phantom_999, 29 May 2014 - 02:01 AM.

[Nate River]

you mean fornever or sawyer?

What are you talking about? I think you meant to quote the person who I quoted. I'm not involved in Youtube debates. I know OF Sawyer because he is frequent target of criticism here, but I haven't a clue what he said this week. I have no idea who fornever is.

[chouzu_tao]

Um... Sasuke is a jerk, but as someone mentioned earlier it'll probably serve some later function to either humble him or make Sakura look ever more awesome. 

 

Also... why are all the women's dreams dealing with men? All of them... I know it's no secret that Kishi doesn't do well with women in his story but wow... 

[luffyq1]

 

Um... Sasuke is a jerk, but as someone mentioned earlier it'll probably serve some later function to either humble him or make Sakura look ever more awesome. 

Hopefully it's in both cases.

[Gojira]

Kishi officially killed SS off a few chapters ago so I just wish he would move on with NS

at this point everytime he makes an ASS moment it just feels like

[咲耶姫]

http://www.mangaday..../Naruto/675/13/

 

sasuke never spoke in that page, it's always Sakura and Naruto who are chatting between them.

I admit that the others are right, but there is a prove that Sasuke is talking, he's the only one of Team 7 who's calling Kakashi "Kakashi" and not "Kakashi sensei" anymore, there is no Kakashi sensei, just Kakashi, so it's Sasuke for sure in the expanation panel. 

 

 

Funny,  I did not recall my self saying to literally work for the dreams that they are seeing, did you? Did I say that Ino has to work hard to get Sai and Sasuke's attention or Ten Ten had to work hard to have Gai and Lee think they look cool? Shino could technically work hard to discover a new insect species by travelling around the world so that one isn't debunking anything actually. 

 

Like you said, The dreams they have are a false happiness, but why is it so? It's not because the dream is impossible for them to achieve (though the dead ones being with them are), but because it is a happiness given in exchange for their freedom of thought or action, a fantasy in which they do not need to work to achieve anything. That is not a life, as Naruto can fully understand. Does he for instance wish in the deepest parts of his being that his parents are alive and with him? Of course he does and I'm sure He'd see it in his Infinite Tsukuyomi, BUT he also realizes that because of his parents sacrifices that he ended being an orphan who grew up hated by the village. And because of that, he had to struggle and work his way into gaining his friends and recognition. When he says it's a lie, what he means is that no matter how wonderful the dream seems to them it is not a happiness gained by their own efforts. It is not something they achieved in reality but a blissful manipulation. And It is like you are invisible to everyone else just living in the comfort of your own satisfaction, which is like what his childhood was like; He was isolated on his own and had hardly, if any contact with anyone. It's Just being isolated in your own little world. If they want their happiness they should live and see it through in the real world whatever it may be. It does not necessarily mean what they actually see in the dreams. Their happiness could be something else in reality entirely but it is up to them to find it for them selves. That is what I meant, because Of course I know that it is only their deepest desires they see. But you don't satisfy any desire without feeling you have earned it first.

Yes you said it, I had even underlined the sentence. 

 

Guys Guys Guys, don't you see what's happening here? There is no ship teasing or ship sinking here, it is just their deepest most cherished desires. Gaara wants his family and to be Naruto's friend, for instance, nothing wrong with that. Hinata's desire is just to be with Naruto, and as shallow as that is that is her dream. This has nothing to do with what is impossible or not, it is just that , a character's dreams. Is it wrong to have dreams or desires? We are just seeing what they are. So more talking about shipping or sinking said ship, yeah? the message here is that if you have dreams you must work to make them come true not just realize in a fantasy. That was what Naruto was saying about it being a lie. At least in my opinion

 

I don't see any difference in the first post and you second one. You say they must work hard for their dreams to come true otherwise they would live in fals happiness because they wouls get their dreams without efforts. And that's not my opinion. even if they work hard, thoses dreams that we've seen won't come true. And the huge lie is about living in an illusion, this happiness would only be an illusion. But agree to disagree. 

[Broken Figurine]

I wish Sakura had spoken up for herself. I suppose she feels down about it because it's a combination of it being Sasuke (who is the subject of many confused feelings on many levels romantic and otherwise), her being hard on herself/esteem, and the fact that what he's saying isn't wrong he's just said it in a terrible way--really dismissive, and as someone mentioned awhile back uncalled for because he's going to have to tell Naruto anyways. Whether or not she could be of use, it isn't useless answering her. What I don't like about it, is that it truly undermines Team 7 and the previous attempts at 'we'll use teamwork!'. The way Naruto defends Kakashi and Sakura with a comedic expression also demonstrates, at least to me, how sad and empty those words are. At least when he initially reacted to Sakura like that, he had a more sincere expression, but note that he didn't deny what Sasuke said. 

 

I do believe that Sakura will prove Sasuke wrong--she has to, and I'm hoping that she finally does defend herself. Sakura doesn't have a problem speaking out against Sasuke... when it's about Naruto. I think that Sakura is still insecure about her abilities, because (quite unfairly, as usual) there is an extreme gap between herself and her teammates no matter how many times she gets her moment of determination, where she vows to show them her back or stand beside them. It must be tiring, always feeling like a burden when Sakura is so capable in her own right, and she has no advantages beyond what is in the normal range of 'potential'. Sasuke may be in the superior position, but he was born great--so was Naruto. Even Kakashi had more of a start than Sakura, and her's been 'reduced' to the same position (although, without the sharingan I think Sakura is more of an asset than he is).

 

So, the scene is less of an issue on Sakura because I do believe it's set up for her growth. I really doubt that will be just left like that; Sakura has to have some way of proving Sasuke wrong and gaining that confidence, how I don't know but I'm pretty positive it's happening. What bothers me about this scene is Sasuke. It has to be said, compared to how he treated Karin, he is far more rude and dismissive about Team 7 than he was with Team Taka. Maybe it's my distaste for the team which colours my perception, but if Team 7 is supposed to be so thematically important, and if we're supposed to take it seriously, the fact that Sasuke has distanced himself so much that I swear even Juugo was treated with more empathy than our main female lead, just feels really off. He doesn't have to be romantically interested in her at all, I don't want him to be, but I'd prefer if he at least showed he cared on some level, at least enough to show her some respect instead of this disdain. 

 

I think this has written me off Sasuke's character totally. He should just go back to his team and fade from the manga after this little fight where he's needed--seriously. Sakura is far better a character to this privileged little git and his merry band of outcasts, and I wish Naruto could recognize that. Maybe if he had been consistently like this, with everyone, since his downfall it'd be more palatable since he's descended so deep into his 'darkness', but his selective favour of secondary characters just ruins that whole excuse.