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[Otaru]

But what would he have to say that he didn't already say when he died? And Neji's not especially important to him. It'd sooner be Jiraiya or something who would meet him.

 

Yeah I know it's just back then, it looked like some foreshadow from Kishi 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Pretty much. One thing I want to add, Sasuke saving Naruto and everyone else is because he needs them. He only saves people can be useful to him. After they become useless Sasuke goes on a killing spree.

That everyone else is a bonus. His armor is huge, so why change size. Again, Naruto saying stay close is there for a reason. In other words, you all together, so whatever. If they were apart, I doubt he will go yell at them to get inside and moan if they failed.

Fun fact: now I know why Kishi have a panel of Gaara and Lee leaving. Bad timing on them. Lol.

Edit: Look, I know Naruto and Sasuke are strong and they have to take out Madara, but thanks for singling out, Sasuke. I bet Naruto would be like, "WE have to take out Madara."

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 21 May 2014 - 04:57 PM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

Sheesh, twenty pages already.  I can't keep up.

 

Kind of a 'meh' chapter. The majority was just reaction panels to the Tsukuyomi activating and some wasted panels of the daimyos. Seriously, I really don't care what they were doing in all this.  Oh, and Bee had a cameo appearance, and of course he's fine. I'm beginning to think he's immortal or something. And I know people have been predicting for a while that Yamato was the one in the Zetsu, but I still find his presence totally random. What was even the point of him being there? 

 

I think Minato and the other Edo Hokage's will use the tools Ten Ten found to seal Madara. I have a feeling that's why they've been spared from the Tsukuyomi.

 

Anyways, on to the part of the chapter that seems to be causing such a fuss.

 

I've said before that I don't believe Kishimoto is finished with Hinata, so seeing her get some 'special attention' is not a surprise and I expect that this will not be the end of it either. It didn't even occur to me to think of it as a "NaruHina moment" until I read the comments here and I didn't think of Naruto's reaction as specifically in response to Hinata thinking about him, but if people want to see it that way then far be it for me to tell them otherwise.

 

I saw Hinata's thoughts about Naruto as just an easy way to transition back to him, not as a pairing moment. But whatever.

 

Yes, it's annoying that she has to keep showing up to play the red herring and deliver her obligatory "Naruto-kun" line, but it's no less than I would expect with her really. Moments such as this work to plant a seed of doubt about where the romance subplot is going and keep up the suspense. It's the way Kishi's been playing the game for a long time and while I don't believe he does it because he cares about fueling the pairing wars, I do think he wants to have a element of surprise when it comes time to actually resolve it. I don't know if I'd say the way he's going about dragging out the romance subplot is good or in the final pairing's best interest, but I don't see why it should be cause for alarm.

Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 21 May 2014 - 08:56 PM.

[Nostradamus]

That everyone else is a bonus. His armor is huge, so why change size. Again, Naruto saying stay close is there for a reason. In other words, you all together, so whatever. If they were apart, I doubt he will go yell at them to get inside and moan if they failed.

Fun fact: now I know why Kishi have a panel of Gaara and Lee leaving. Bad timing on them. Lol.

Sasuke only saves people that he deems useful. Just like when Obito was going to kill everyone, and Sasuke decides to only save Naruto and Juugo. So yeah Sakura and Kakashi are bonuses.

[TouKen4Life3g]

^^Yeah, first reactions weren't pretty, but many changed their views, so we all the same. Well for the record, when I said done with Hinata, I mean relevant, not group up with all others. So in other words, nothing would phase me until Naruto do something new, which he didn't. So yeah.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Sasuke only saves people that he deems useful. Just like when Obito was going to kill everyone, and Sasuke decides to only save Naruto and Juugo. So yeah Sakura and Kakashi are bonuses.

That's how he rolls. It's a shame. No one is bonus or replacement. Everyone is human. That's why it's upsetting that Sakura got hurt regardless of plan, yet no ****s were given.

[shisui]

You mistook my post, my friend. Here, Hinata's reaction was not at all necessary. And yet Hinata saying the infamous 'Naruto kun' was put. Can you see a valid background for her reaction? Hinata saying 'Naruto kun' and then immediately showing Naruto being worried for that, do you really think it is this way? As I said earlier, Hinata is one dimensional but not Naruto. He would never think exclusively about her when he senses all his friends are in danger. And this means his reaction was for his friends in danger and not exclusively for her and this means Hinata's words had nothing to do with Naruto's reaction. I never stated panel placements mean nothing and say nothing, I meant to say that play a devil's advocate and one would really get at whom Naruto's reactions were pointing at despite the panels trying to portray something else, deliberately. Simply put, decide about the panels with your senses open.

 

I didn't mistake it.

 

Hinata's reaction is natural. She's afraid and she thinks about Naruto. You should be used to this by now, because that's all she does, think of Naruto. I did not say that Naruto reacted at Hinata alone.

 

Some of you said that Kishi meant something with panel placement when the NS / SK parallel panels happened. I said that panel placement were only there for drama and they didn't matter as a pairing argument, because they had no substance. Those same people called me a troll, but the NH moment is just panel placement and has no substance is being used as an excuse to justify how its not pairing related.

 

I don't think it was a NH moment. But I didn't think NS / SK parallel panels were moments either. I am not contradicting myself. However, who defended those NS / SK panels meant something? They are contradicting themselves, because this time it involves a rival pairing and that is a double standard.

 

The same for some who praised Karin's feelings and now dismiss Hinata's. Karin is that girl that forgave Sasuke for stabbing her in one panel, who thought Sasuke stabbing her was cool and who thought about licking Sasuke? But Karin crying and using her asspull power is proof of genuine love, and Hinata thinking of Naruto all the time is an obsession? I say both girls' feelings are not important. I don't choose to give them importance between being a threat to my ship or sideship help.

Edited by GoogleIsMyFriend, 21 May 2014 - 05:10 PM.

[Dkey]

I assumed a filler chapter for this volume had to turn up and it seems this one was the one. Next chapter things will pick up and we will hopefully get a glimpse of what to expect from the next volume.

 

Still things look calm considering the Naruto-kun thing. Maybe NH is happy because of panel placement but they still are reeling from the 631 torpedo to me. I kinda see it as a NH moment on par with the part 1 scene where Naruto get's angry on Neji for his behavior towards Hinata and with part 2 when he goes almost nine tails because Pain defeated Hinata. Thing is it would be normal for Naruto to behave like that because he is the hero/champion type.

[Laylo]

Hi there!

 

I don't know if this has been said yet, but I see the Hinata moment as her once again representing the voice of the alliance.

 

Like in 615, she spoke for all of the people who died and who were still alive in the war, to communicate to Naruto that he needed to stay strong for them.

 

I think she did the same thing here in that you see everyone fall under the illusion and get in trouble, and she's the one that calls for help. I see it like "Naruto-kun" = "Help us". That's kinda why Naruto didn't call her name or specifically refer to her too.

 

So I agree with everyone who thinks that Naruto was reacting to the thought of everyone being in danger, not just Hinata. In my opinion, Hinata's role was more symbolic (or whatever word works here) of the alliance itself rather than a romantic pairing moment.

 

Did that make sense? Someone else can probably explain it better than me, but that's why I see it that way.

 

EDIT: And I believe Kishimoto specifically used Hinata because, like a lot of people here have said, her role since the beginning has been about admiring Naruto. Well now everyone admires Naruto, but who better to use as a mouth piece than the one who looked up to him the most?

 

Everyone else talks as if they already consider themselves Naruto's equal (Kiba's desire to be Hokage, Shikamaru's desire to be his advisor etc.) I think Hinata's the only one who's been talking about catching up to him right? So I think she's the only one humble enough to actually ask him to save them all (or at least it's mroe believable that she does it).

 

So yeah I just wanted to add that on.

Edited by Laylo, 21 May 2014 - 05:09 PM.

[Otaru]

That's how he rolls. It's a shame. No one is bonus or replacement. Everyone is human. That's why it's upsetting that Sakura got hurt regardless of plan, yet no ****s were given.

 

I think that's how he rolls for now because he never took time to thought about it. He's too blinded by his goals/obsessions.

Edited by Otaru, 21 May 2014 - 05:16 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Sasuke only saves people that he deems useful. Just like when Obito was going to kill everyone, and Sasuke decides to only save Naruto and Juugo. So yeah Sakura and Kakashi are bonuses.

Logic is not a rule on Naruto, Sasuke's powers there were limited, he was very far from where Sakura and others were, he could only pick up Naruto and Juugo, Kakashi was on the kamui's dimension and Minato was an edo.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 21 May 2014 - 05:16 PM.

[Nostradamus]

Logic is not a rule on Naruto, Sasuke's powers there were limited, he was very far from where Sakura and others were, he could only pick up Naruto and Juugo, Kakashi was on the kamui's dimension and Minato was an edo.

So you're saying that he just couldn't save them?

[narusaku256]

 
I didn't mistake it.
 
Hinata's reaction is natural. She's afraid and she thinks about Naruto. You should be used to this by now, because that's all she does, think of Naruto. I did not say that Naruto reacted at Hinata alone.
 
Some of you said that Kishi meant something with panel placement when the NS / SK parallel panels happened. I said that panel placement were only there for drama and they didn't matter as a pairing argument, because they had no substance. Those same people called me a troll, but the NH moment is just panel placement and has no substance is being used as an excuse to justify how its not pairing related.
 
I don't think it was a NH moment. But I didn't think NS / SK parallel panels were moments either. I am not contradicting myself. However, who defended those NS / SK panels meant something? They are contradicting themselves, because this time it involves a rival pairing and that is a double standard.
 
The same for some who praised Karin's feelings and now dismiss Hinata's. Karin is that girl that forgave Sasuke for stabbing her in one panel, who thought Sasuke stabbing her was cool and who thought about licking Sasuke? But Karin crying and using her asspull power is proof of genuine love, and Hinata thinking of Naruto all the time is an obsession? I say both girls' feelings are not important. I don't choose to give them importance between being a threat to my ship or sideship help.

Look dude, honestly I think our arguing or debating is not gonna change our respective opinions. No matter what I say to you you'd still say NS and SK page was not a page of parallels and whatever you say I am not gonna change my claim that the page contained parallels. Maybe you are right and maybe I am wrong or it can be the exact opposite. Our debate really won't go anywhere and would make no sense because Kishi will never state this exclusively that 'The page contained parallels' or 'Naruto's reaction were meant towards Hinata'. It will do nothing but rack up pages in this thread and annoy other members. So I suggest, you believe in what you want to and I'll believe in what I want to . See? Its that simple . You okay with it?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

So you're saying that he just couldn't save them?

Yep, his snake wasnt so large to put the whole alliance inside.

[Gojira]

Yep, his snake wasnt so large to put the whole alliance inside.

Logic is not a rule on Naruto, Sasuke's powers there were limited, he was very far from where Sakura and others were, he could only pick up Naruto and Juugo, Kakashi was on the kamui's dimension and Minato was an edo.

He was unaware Kakashi was in the kamui dimension and as its already been established he doesn't care about Sakura's well being.

[Nostradamus]

Yep, his snake wasnt so large to put the whole alliance inside.

What? Dude it's been established so many times that Sasuke just doesn't care about anyone expect himself. Sasuke views his friends/comrades as tools. Biggest example is in the summit ark, where once Juugo and Suigetsu became useless to him, he abandoned them. Same with Karin, once he didn't need her anymore he decided to get rid of her.

When Obito was going to kill everyone Sasuke choose to save Naruto and Juugo because he can use them.

[Gojira]

Wonder how Team 7 is supposed to fight Madara if they can't leave Susano'o, though I don't think Madara can move right now either

I think the edos will probably deactivate the jutsu somehow then we'll have the final battle with Madara.

[shisui]

Look dude, honestly I think our arguing or debating is not gonna change our respective opinions. No matter what I say to you you'd still say NS and SK page was not a page of parallels and whatever you say I am not gonna change my claim that the page contained parallels. Maybe you are right and maybe I am wrong or it can be the exact opposite. Our debate really won't go anywhere and would make no sense because Kishi will never state this exclusively that 'The page contained parallels' or 'Naruto's reaction were meant towards Hinata'. It will do nothing but rack up pages in this thread and annoy other members. So I suggest, you believe in what you want to and I'll believe in what I want to . See? Its that simple . You okay with it?

 

This is you running away because you can't think of an answer. But I am satisfied that people don't have any reason to call me a troll anymore.

 

 

He was unaware Kakashi was in the kamui dimension and as its already been established he doesn't care about Sakura's well being.

 

You're trying too hard. It's obvious Sasuke either cares about all of team 7 or he cares about nobody. The only reason Sasuke gives to protect Naruto is that if he dies then its all over, it's about the power of the So6P and not because he cares about him as an individual. If you are ready to make that jump of logic for Naruto and say Sasuke cares about him from this then you need to stop being bias and make the jump of logic for Team 7 as a whole as well, because Sasuke protected Sakura in 632 and he could have protected Naruto alone in this chapter.

Edited by GoogleIsMyFriend, 21 May 2014 - 06:01 PM.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Well, we all basically knew this was going to happen, so not much to talk about in that regard.  Good news is that finally we can confirm that Bee is indeed alive!  Those who said Giyuki purposeful cut off one of his tails for Bee, looks like you guys called it.  Also, Yamato was finally revealed to be the one Spiral Zetsu was using as a "filling" as he calls it.   Dang, mostly everyone got caught in it, even Orochimaru, who I was expecting to be one of the few to avoid it.  Well, the Infinite Tsukiyomi gives of bright light encroaching even the slightest of shadows immobilizing anyone with the show of Rinnegan eyes, so I guess very few things can counter that.  Apparently, the only ways to avoid it is being inside Sasuke's Rinnegan powered Susannou, being an Edo Tensei, and whatever's going on with TenTen.  It looks like a fist came out of the scroll she was carrying the Cloud tools in.  It's hard to see, but it is a person's fist.  Question is who is this person?  This person looks to have a claw for fingers because of the thumb?  Also, it clearly shows the person is coming out of the gourd:

Fist

Well, she asked for a person from the Cloud, so it has to be either Ginkaku or Kingaku, whichever one was sealed in the gourd.  If that's the case, I hope the brother freeing himself has a jutsu to negate the effects of Infinite Tsukiyomi on TenTen, because she has to be around to tell him the situation.

 

I found it amusing how Naruto was scolding Sasuke for his reckless flying and landing.  Also, Sasuke was surprisingly tolerable, compared to last chapter.  He knows this is bigger then anything he's ever faced, and had to protect Naruto, who is key to their victory.  Sasuke had to stop Naruto from acting reckless to try to save his comrades (not just Hinata), when there is nothing he can do for them right now.  He reminded Naruto that he's needed to stop Madara and undo the jutsu, basically telling him to endure it.  However, this is just because right now, Sasuke needs Naruto.  If this was Kakashi or Sakura, he wouldn't have stopped them from leaving most likely.  I won't overlook that, despite how tolerable he was.

 

Again, I believe Kishimoto doesn't give a crap about the paring wars overseas, because they are just overseas.  The discussions about pairings in his country are most likely much more civil than ours, and I hear the Japanese fandom are already aware of the paring Kishimoto-sensei is going for.  What was the point of the Hinata moment then if not for parings?  It has to be her character in general.  Kishimoto must still have plans to develop Hinata, and he's setting up the build up.  Her development is to stand independently from Naruto.  As others have stated, her obsession with Naruto is not healthy for her.  It is actually impeding her progress.  When Naruto is in her mind, she has no regard for her own life, or anyone else's for that matter.  I read on this thread how some are disappointed in her, because she continues to think about Naruto who is far away, instead of her teammates who are right next to her.  Seriously, what does that remind you of?

chapter 8

 

Yes, Sakura was the same before, but she learned very early how her obsession with Sasuke was bad for the team and later herself.  Kishimoto is making a point that obsessing over a single person is not a good thing, regardless of who the person is.  Both Sakura and Hinata are guilty of this towards Sasuke and Naruto respectively.  One of the main differences is that since Sakura is a regular and on the same team as the MC, she got the panel time to get over that, when she learned to put her affections for Sasuke on the side for the good of the group.  It also helped helped her to grow as a person.

 

Kishimoto hasn't had the chance to do that with Hinata.  Other than Hinata being a side character, another reason is that Naruto was a positive influence on her, while Sasuke was negative one on Sakura.  However, it doesn't matter whether the target is a positive influence or not; an obsession is obsession, and commonly it can be taken to an extreme.  All across the English-speaking fandom, you'll commonly come see Sakura being called  a Sasuke fangirl, even today, when she hasn't been one since early part 1.  However, Hinata is Naruto's fangirl, but you don't see people call her that.  Heck, fans would say it's a good thing.  It's wrong for Sakura to have obsessed over Sasuke before, but it's alright for Hinata to continually obsess over Naruto, because Naruto is a positive influence?  No, that's a double standard, and it's not a good thing.  Twice now, she was willing to throw away her own life, and you can't get a panel of her without thinking about Naruto.  This is not good for her character; it makes her one-dimensional and bland.

 

I'm not saying using Naruto as role-model to get stronger herself is wrong, far from it.  Naruto does the same with Sasuke.  Sakura does the same with Naruto, Sasuke and Lee.  There is nothing wrong with setting a goal for yourself.  However, like anything, it can become something negative that defeats the original purpose of having that goal in the first place.  That has happened with Hinata, and Kishimoto is building up to have her overcome that.

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 21 May 2014 - 06:05 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well I'm happy the way people are seeing the right view. You know, I shouldn't called it that it will be similar to 646. Somehow, I expect next one to be similar to 647. I could be wrong but then again, next chapter is the end of the volume. Look at this way, no more "Naruto-Kun" unless we see her branch and muffles "Naruto-Kun". So that's done for now.