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Posted 16 February 2014 - 02:34 PM


For me i think it's either canon or open ending.
NH is pretty much over because of the recent events and despite the fact Sakura might still have her feelings hidden Kishi inserted Karin on Sasuke's side.
The open ending thing comes because tomorrow is Naruto's birthday on the plot's timeline he might end the story on his birthday party.

Off-topic, i'm looking forward for Victory Vs i mean my sig bellow already shows how it's going to be funny, Toriko over there on Naruto's village.

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Posted 16 February 2014 - 02:35 PM

It's ok. 
I won't lie, to me NS is canon since chapter 631. And whatever anti can say, I won't change my mind, that's why I have no problem in considering that NH fans wan view Kushina's line as directed towards Hinata. That's the only hope they still have. Also I understand that they can view it like that. For once, it's not incoherent. 

Yeah, I know what you mean there. Well, 631 did make it obvious as much as Tobi at the time revealed that he got that eye back then or when Kakashi said that eye of his is the same as his. Pretty much, if you don't get the hint, you can only be surprised because of your unawareness.

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Posted 16 February 2014 - 10:26 PM

For me i think it's either canon or open ending.
NH is pretty much over because of the recent events and despite the fact Sakura might still have her feelings hidden Kishi inserted Karin on Sasuke's side.
The open ending thing comes because tomorrow is Naruto's birthday on the plot's timeline he might end the story on his birthday party.

Off-topic, i'm looking forward for Victory Vs i mean my sig bellow already shows how it's going to be funny, Toriko over there on Naruto's village.

 Seriously an open ending now is out of the question , i think Kishi already past that border with the Kushina's foreshadowing and 631 not to mention  that he said multiple times that Naruto gonna have a kid and that he will make only one paring canon and how much time he spend for developing the NS bond and all the romance hints .


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Posted 16 February 2014 - 11:26 PM

Seriously an open ending now is out of the question , i think Kishi already past that border with the Kushina's foreshadowing and 631 not to mention  that he said multiple times that Naruto gonna have a kid and that he will make only one paring canon and how much time he spend for developing the NS bond and all the romance hints .

Just to leave a note, i think he said maybe one will be requinted and we got Asuma/Kurenai, anyway that's no my point here and also he never said that Naruto would have a kid, he said that "if" Naruto had a son he would name him as Shinachiku because he already used Menma for the movie.

Like i said, NS would likely to be canon because of the recent events and the development they have however Kishi could end the story on the event he hinted as "Naruto's birthday" to give an open ending.

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 12:10 AM

wat. When he said one love will be requited he was obviously talking about the 'main' pairings. And correct me if I'm wrong but didn't we see Asuma/Kurenai when they were pretty much already a couple? There wasn't any unrequited stuff that we saw with NS, SS, NH, LeeSaku and SasuIno... Not that I can think of, anyway.

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 12:16 AM

Do you guys think Black Zetsu can control Kurama or at least Kurama's chakra? So far we saw that Kurama can be controlled by the Sharingan or he allows himself to be "controlled" the way Naruto and Minato "control" him.

 

PS. An open ending now just doesn't make any sense. There have been to many hints and way to much effort put into the Naruto and Sakura bond to end with an open ending.


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Posted 17 February 2014 - 12:24 AM

Just to leave a note, i think he said maybe one will be requinted and we got Asuma/Kurenai, anyway that's no my point here and also he never said that Naruto would have a kid, he said that "if" Naruto had a son he would name him as Shinachiku because he already used Menma for the movie.

Like i said, NS would likely to be canon because of the recent events and the development they have however Kishi could end the story on the event he hinted as "Naruto's birthday" to give an open ending.

Come on do you really think that he was talking about Asuma/Kurenai , plus there was nothing that was shown for us to believe that their relationship went from unrequited to requited there was no development they just happened . About the son thing that i can't say that he used the word "if" can you give the source ? plus he said in his latest interview that he's gonna finish the story conclusively so that throws out any open endings , and like i said before Kushina's foreshadow maybe we would have been thinking about the possibility of an open ending but after that there's no way that anyone can disregard that .

 

The bolded i don't quite get what you are trying to say here , what event do you mean his birthday in the manga ? and if so how does that give us a hint of an open ending care to explain ? 


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Posted 17 February 2014 - 12:26 AM

I always thought an open-ending was possible ... but as 631, I find that extremely unlikely. Can Kishi do it? Yes. But it completely disregards the hints of Sakura being the next Kushina and Naruto's girlfriend. Sure, Naruto probably doesn't consider Sakura is actual girlfriend even though he is at least partially confused on the matter (Her confession and all) and the scene was posed as "comic relief." However, that's the funny part of that scene.  It was posed as comedy, but it made a direct reference to Kushina's "Find a girl like me" line thanks to Minato. It's like Kishi's ironic with the mood of the scene and saying "If you're paying enough attention, then you have the end pairing right here." :fu:

 

It was always most likely no pairings or NaruSaku ... right now, it's just NS. Not only that, but Kishi did say he would make one love requited and that does not strike me as "I'm not making them canon though." It doesn't make much sense. It's just inconsistent tbh. He also said he would incorporate romance in Part 2 ... maybe I could understand this argument better before, but after 631 I just can't. :huh:


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Posted 17 February 2014 - 12:44 AM

wat. When he said one love will be requited he was obviously talking about the 'main' pairings. And correct me if I'm wrong but didn't we see Asuma/Kurenai when they were pretty much already a couple? There wasn't any unrequited stuff that we saw with NS, SS, NH, LeeSaku and SasuIno... Not that I can think of, anyway.

THe interviewer said there's many unrequinted loves, so he generalized he wasnt refering to main couples or what.
Second Kishi didnt thought about making canon pairings, the interview gives that impression that he wasnt thinking on putting effort on romance on Naruto he was likely going to give an open ending that's the impression i get on his original point of view and he ends with "maybe" we will get one requinted.
Which is unclear about what he's refering to.
But it's kinda obvious to me that he changed his perspective about "open ending" to "make a pairing canon".

Second due to recent events, he toyed with all pairings, no exception here, we saw moments of NS, NH, SI, SK and etc...
However with NS on the front despite Sakura not giving any pairings hints at all.
Second Kishi comes with "tomorrow it's my birthday".
He either is "i'll end with a pairing canon" or "i'll end the story on Naruto's birthday party".
That's the impression i get.
He will eithe make NS canon or finalize the story on a party.

Third and most important, Kishi said he would try to end it on a conclusive way, which for me it's like he open admitted that he's doing bad writing on the manga and he at least is aware of it.
There's too many plot twists and Madara ruining the arc to make things worse, literaly an Aizen on which will be defeated on a poor way disappointing a lot of people.
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Posted 17 February 2014 - 01:06 AM

At the rate that Kishi is trolling, I wouldn't be surprised if he leaves all the pairings open. :hm:  


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Posted 17 February 2014 - 02:20 AM

THe interviewer said there's many unrequinted loves, so he generalized he wasnt refering to main couples or what.
Second Kishi didnt thought about making canon pairings, the interview gives that impression that he wasnt thinking on putting effort on romance on Naruto he was likely going to give an open ending that's the impression i get on his original point of view and he ends with "maybe" we will get one requinted.
Which is unclear about what he's refering to.
But it's kinda obvious to me that he changed his perspective about "open ending" to "make a pairing canon".

Second due to recent events, he toyed with all pairings, no exception here, we saw moments of NS, NH, SI, SK and etc...
However with NS on the front despite Sakura not giving any pairings hints at all.
Second Kishi comes with "tomorrow it's my birthday".
He either is "i'll end with a pairing canon" or "i'll end the story on Naruto's birthday party".
That's the impression i get.
He will eithe make NS canon or finalize the story on a party.

Third and most important, Kishi said he would try to end it on a conclusive way, which for me it's like he open admitted that he's doing bad writing on the manga and he at least is aware of it.
There's too many plot twists and Madara ruining the arc to make things worse, literaly an Aizen on which will be defeated on a poor way disappointing a lot of people.

Yes but the interview SPECIFICALLY mentioned the unrequited loves of Naruto, Sakura, etc. and asked if any would be requited. Again, we were never shown that the Asuma/Kurenai pairing was once unrequited. They just happened.

Kishi was obviously being intentionally vague. He's not going to give away the ending in an interview. If you seriously think that Kishi didn't plan a pairing from the beginning, I don't know what to say to you.

I'm not sure what your point is with your "conclusive ending" talk, but to me, that says that Kishi will make a couple canon. And just because the manga might end on Naruto's birthday doesn't mean he can't make NS canon.

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 04:29 AM

Anyone have an idea about when/if we will get spoilers for 665? 


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Posted 17 February 2014 - 05:51 AM

Probably a few hours before the chapter is released on Wednesday.

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Posted 17 February 2014 - 07:27 AM

Do you guys think Black Zetsu can control Kurama or at least Kurama's chakra? So far we saw that Kurama can be controlled by the Sharingan or he allows himself to be "controlled" the way Naruto and Minato "control" him.

 

Black Zetsu doesn't have the Sharingan and Kurama is probably going to be uncooperative since he was acting for the benefit of the Alliance up until just a few moments ago. Although he could try to manipulate Obito's Sharingan to perform a hypnotic genjutsu on Kurama (it shouldn't be difficult since his host body is unconscious at the moment). 

 

Is there a possibility of Obito being resuscitated now? Black Zetsu, the entity that was parasitically latched to him, was implanted with a bijuu. I'm wondering if the bijuu's chakra wouldn't act as a stimuli to revive him. Black Zetsu is the host, but his body was melded together with Obito's as the sealing process was taking place. Does that mean that they both share ownership of Kurama or would it remain in Zetsu after he's detached himself? 


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Posted 17 February 2014 - 07:49 AM

At the rate that Kishi is trolling, I wouldn't be surprised if he leaves all the pairings open. :hm:  

 

He has already states one pairing is going to be endgame. So I mean the pairing wars may sound unnecessary but he did say he would make 1 canon so there is a reason to fight. 


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Posted 17 February 2014 - 09:38 AM

I am pretty sure Kishi will not leave the pairings open-ended. I firmly believe he plans making at least a couple canon and that pairing is Naruto/Sakura. And I have been thinking that since I read chapter three.

 

This said, I ALMOST want him leaving it all open-ended. So many years of bitter pairing wars, all for nothing. Good Lord, that would be masterful trolling. I would be laughing for days.


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Posted 17 February 2014 - 04:12 PM

Kishi leaving the shipping fandom with an open ending... That would leave a bitter memory behind after all these debates :P


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Posted 17 February 2014 - 07:03 PM

Well, the time of a new chapter is almost approaching and at least to me, the result of Naruto and Sasuke's fate will be revealed. On one hand, you have a mysterious person approaching to Sasuke and it is claimed by Karin that it's someone who she doesn't know but made her feel uneasy about the presence, so she rushed there. On the other hand, you have Minato was going to transfer Yin Kuruma to Naruto, only to get snatched by Black Zetsu, and to make the matter worse, Madara arrives. You could argue that Naruto's situation is much more complicated than Sasuke, but the point is that both of them are facing death if the needs are not met. While there are many possibilities how they can live or die, let's discuss what happens if one goes to one direction.

 

If they both live, that would mean the mysterious guy, who by the way betting on Kabuto to be the one, would be helping Sasuke instead. As for Naruto, well he will live as well, but the idea of how is all up to people's guess as good as mine. Some would say that he will still get Yin Kuruma back, though the only question is how. Some would say that Gin and Kin inside those RS tools is the answer to save Naruto since they hold Kuruma's chakra, though as of late, it has been said that their chakra were already taken when Naruto extracted from Obito. To me, the closest I can see is that Madara will be full of himself and Kakashi and Gaara can't hit him since he is a Jinchuuriki. Sakura and Minato will think it's all over, but TenTen will surprise Madara with the tool and pretty much lose balance due to ambush and perhaps the tools are the only thing to phase Jinchuuriki. Not the idea to beat him, but I can see Madara and Black Zetsu being distracted and Minato might do something to retrieve back. The rest is a guess that can go any ways. Either way, Naruto will live.

 

If they both die, then the mysterious guy will end his life for certain, and Karin will be there to see it happen. As for Naruto, Madara will knock everyone out, including Sakura. If she leaves, Naruto will die immediately. She is vulnerable, so she can't defend herself when her hand is on Naruto's heart. Hm, imagine that, she holds his heart, but when Madara knocks her away, she rips it. Ok, no more jokes. Ahem. Another way for him to die is time. Sakura can't do that forever since a person's life grows weaker when they're already facing death. Therefore, it's possible that Naruto is this close from death and Sakura is doing everything she can but life is life, so he dies. There are other ways to have Naruto die, but I won't go further details because those are the only ones that I can think of.

 

If go to the bad route, we know that these two can't stay dead forever. That said how will they come back from the dead? Well, for starters, we have Obito sticking around for whatever reason. It's possible for him to wake up and see Naruto in death bed, so his last will of fire will strike and perform one last revival. Will it be for all? I don't know, but at the very least, Naruto can be revived this way. This also could conclude Obito's story in a good way, rather than a complete dark turn he once had. As for Sasuke, well if Obito can't revive everyone, then what? Well, what if the mysterious guy was going to help Sasuke, but Sasuke is already dead. Let's not forget that Karin can't feel his chakra anymore, so it's hard to determine if he is dead or near dead. Going up to the person will confirm it. That said what if that mysterious person does the revival part. If it is Kabuto, well he is a medical guy, right? Time will tell on this.

 

As for the chapter itself, the next chapter is the 8th of the volume, so that would mean a twist/climax of the theme is going to happen. This volume is about the end of the world or rather the end of the heroes. That said the fact Kishi stalled time to reveal the mysterious person goes to show you that he wants to match nicely with Naruto and Sasuke's result. It could be argue that the result from them could revisit chapter 662, only this time, it can be either good news or bad news. Now, it is true that Kishi can stretch this to later chapters, but if he is going to make the 8th as the usual twist/climax, this is it.

 

So, let's talk about the future once this event is done. Team Taka, as much as I like seeing them, especially Karin, there might be one part that makes me question the situation: if the mysterious guy does the saving or even healing, what's the point of them reaching to Sasuke? Don't take it a bashing way, but what I'm saying is what is the point for them to regroup with Sasuke? They actually had a great chance to defeat Zetsu, but instead, they left and pretty much the Alliance got to handle the rest, though I think they have a shot to beat him down themselves. Going back to Naruto's situation, what's the point for Sakura to be the only one that is capable to help Naruto since Tsunade and many others were very low on chakra? Granted, CPR and other, but still. Haha. Anyway, people believe it's setting up for one large pairing moment from their respective pairings. Well, ok, that is possible, I mean we did get Sakura and Karin's strength and determination, as well as gaining more developments towards the heroes. That said will that be all? I wonder sometimes, but I guess we have to wait. I mean I wouldn't mind if we get pairing moment, but maybe I'm asking a little bit more. If I don't get it, then it's ok. If I do, color me hype. It does refer to my headcanon, but I won't say it. Until then, let's hope for hell of a conclusion.



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Posted 17 February 2014 - 09:30 PM

I think that the next chapter will be the start of Madara's downfall. He sent the fall in motion himself, and now he has to pay the price for his hubris. YAY HUBRIS! killing villains  since the dawn of time.... :party:



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Posted 17 February 2014 - 09:38 PM

^Hooow?? :sweat: :sweat: :sweat:

 

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