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[Darkness]

Which i dont get why he wants to get rid of the bijuus because if they die they would just respawn on another place.

 

Will they? LOL DoTA!!

 

Seriously now, why is that?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Will they? LOL DoTA!!

 

Seriously now, why is that?

It was explained i'm just lazy to go and post the pictures but as i remember, Kushina wanted to seal the kyuubi inside her and die letting Minato and Naruto alive, but the kyuubi would just come back 1 or 2 years later.

Rin was the jinchuuriki and died, the sanbi appeared on that lake.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 August 2013 - 07:24 PM.

[Atheck]

By all means it's not fully evidenced whether it's just a regular Genjutsu or if it's Sasuke's version of Tsukuyomi.

 
Then you have no basis to suggest that it is Tsukuyomi. What little we saw of the genjutsu had none of the usual features that exist whenever Tsukuyomi has been used. 
 

Sasuke has never used any Genjutsu before IIRC,

 
He used genjutsu when first meeting Sai. Sasuke assumed control of Orochimaru's self-created via the same ability Itachi used back when he was still the main target for body migration.  Later during his fight with Deidara he feigned his own death with a genjutsu in order to lead his opponent into a false sense of security so he could strike with a Chidori. During that same arc he and Itachi were using illusions against each other to gain an advantage. Following this he has cast unnamed genjutsu techniques on a random Kumogakure ninja to gather intelligence on the whereabouts of Hachibi, Killer Bee, and then C. 
 
In total, Sasuke had relied on genjutsu in seven different occasions. It's possible that I might have overlooked a few more but the point being made is that his fight against Danzo was not the first instance that he used a genjutsu. 
 

so it's fair to assume it was an ability given by the Mangekyou.

 
Except that it isn't when there's nothing to indicate that he was using his MS for illusions in that fight. I assume you read the explanation that proved that Kagutsuchi is his other ability. With every pair of Sharingan eyes that have managed to become upgraded the wielder has been given three abilities to use. No more, nore less. That pattern has yet to fluctuate in the manga.
 

Moreover, Sasuke's Genjutsu is very similar to Itachi's

The genjutsu Sasuke used was nothing like Itachi's. In Tsukuyomi the world becomes distorted. A sheet of white and black covers the victim's perception of the world around and the they become paralysed, unable to do anything. In Sasuke's genjutsu the only difference in the world around was the false image of a person appearing. There was nothing to indicate that he was using Tsukuyomi.
 

and he has all of his other techniques (Susanoo and Amaterasu)

Madara also wields the first eye ability but does that have a valid basis with which to preemptively give him Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi? No, because you only need to gain mastery over your Sharingan to develop Susanoo. The statement made in the Databook about the prerequisites for Susanoo is just another discrepancy made when the ability was only usable by one character, Itachi.
 

so I really don't see why he can't have this one as well in a weaker standard.

Because we have no reason to believe that he had Tsukuyomi back then. His right Sharingan's technique was proven to be Kagutsuchi and the left is Amaterasu. You only acquire two new techniques (besides Susanoo) when unlocking MS. Sasuke already revealed his two abilities when fighting Killer Bee. If he had it, he would have used it when Kabuto ensnared him in Mugen Onsa.

[Darkness]

 Then you have no basis to suggest that it is Tsukuyomi. What little we saw of the genjutsu had none of the usual features that exist whenever Tsukuyomi has been used. 

 

Yes, the contrary can also be said. But don't worry about it too much that's just my opinion.

He used genjutsu when first meeting Sai. Sasuke assumed control of Orochimaru's self-created via the same ability Itachi used back when he was still the main target for body migration.  Later during his fight with Deidara he feigned his own death with a genjutsu in order to lead his opponent into a false sense of security so he could strike with a Chidori. During that same arc he and Itachi were using illusions against each other to gain an advantage. Following this he has cast unnamed genjutsu techniques on a random Kumogakure ninja to gather intelligence on the whereabouts of Hachibi, Killer Bee, and then C. 
 
In total, Sasuke had relied on genjutsu in seven different occasions. It's possible that I might have overlooked a few more but the point being made is that his fight against Danzo was not the first instance that he used a genjutsu. 
 
Except that it isn't when there's nothing to indicate that he was using his MS for illusions in that fight. I assume you read the explanation that proved that Kagutsuchi is his other ability. With every pair of Sharingan eyes that have managed to become upgraded the wielder has been given three abilities to use. No more, nore less. That pattern has yet to fluctuate in the manga.
 
The genjutsu Sasuke used was nothing like Itachi's. In Tsukuyomi the world becomes distorted. A sheet of white and black covers the victim's perception of the world around and the they become paralysed, unable to do anything. In Sasuke's genjutsu the only difference in the world around was the false image of a person appearing. There was nothing to indicate that he was using Tsukuyomi.
 
Madara also wields the first eye ability but does that have a valid basis with which to preemptively give him Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi? No, because you only need to gain mastery over your Sharingan to develop Susanoo. The statement made in the Databook about the prerequisites for Susanoo is just another discrepancy made when the ability was only usable by one character, Itachi.
 
Because we have no reason to believe that he had Tsukuyomi back then. His right Sharingan's technique was proven to be Kagutsuchi and the left is Amaterasu. You only acquire two new techniques (besides Susanoo) when unlocking MS. Sasuke already revealed his two abilities when fighting Killer Bee. If he had it, he would have used it when Kabuto ensnared him in Mugen Onsa.

 

You are right, don't know how I forgot about all this fights.

Also, I was refering to Sasuke's Genjutsu being similar to Itachi's Genjutsu, not Tsukuyomi, because of the birds althought it is no longer a valid point.

And what explanation are you refering to exactly? I don't recall it.

Edited by Darkness, 27 August 2013 - 07:54 PM.

[Atheck]

And what explanation are you refering to exactly? I don't recall it.

An explicit depiction of Sasuke using the ability in his right eye to apply shape to Amaterasu.
 

 

Kagutsuchi is the other technique. He creates Amaterasu with his left eye, the first MS technique he ever showed, and then with his right eye he is able to configure its form into whatever shape he desires.

[Darkness]

Fair enough. So far I can't disagree with it. 

[arian_rad]

Am I the only one thinking that we will get all the Kage's arrival in this chapter? Anyone else have that thought? I feel something but happening at the end.

[sushi.]

Am I the only one thinking that we will get all the Kage's arrival in this chapter? Anyone else have that thought? I feel something but happening at the end.

While waiting for the alliance, I was thinking this every chapter. "Next chapter they'll come"...we waited 40 chapters for them, now it's only been like 5.

[arian_rad]

While waiting for the alliance, I was thinking this every chapter. "Next chapter they'll come"...we waited 40 chapters for them, now it's only been like 5.

I'm thinking they will take part in something against Madara before this volume is over. In 40 chapters this war will be over. The hokage's should play a key role against madara and his trump card. I'm thinking this chapter but if not hopefully and most likely they will appear at the end of the volume.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I'm just hoping Minato survives this volume. It would be a tragic if he dies permanently before Naruto's birthday.

[arian_rad]

I'm just hoping Minato survives this volume. It would be a tragic if he dies permanently before Naruto's birthday.

Don't count on it, Minato still has to give his gift to Naruto and it's a part of the plot so I'm pretty sure Kishi will not kill him off. He also needs to say his final words to Naruto so I don't see him dying until this war is over honestly.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Don't count on it, Minato still has to give his gift to Naruto and it's a part of the plot so I'm pretty sure Kishi will not kill him off. He also needs to say his final words to Naruto so I don't see him dying until this war is over honestly.

That doesn't mean he won't do it in this volume.

[arian_rad]

That doesn't mean he won't do it in this volume.

He will most likely do it ON naruto's birthday which doesn't seem to be happening in this volume, since it takes a while for the manga to move forward a day.

[rocci]

So do you guys all think that kishi is dragging this juubito thing? I can see this like gara fight.
And ns4life: do you think next volume will highlight the reason why obito become like that? Maybe he will get tnj by naruto. Don't forget kakashi isn't there. What role will he play?

[TouKen4Life3g]

He will most likely do it ON naruto's birthday which doesn't seem to be happening in this volume, since it takes a while for the manga to move forward a day.

But that's the thing, you don't know that. What if he dies here but at the same time, gives him the rest of the power before he finally disappears? This can happen.

 

So do you guys all think that kishi is dragging this juubito thing? I can see this like gara fight.
And ns4life: do you think next volume will highlight the reason why obito become like that? Maybe he will get tnj by naruto. Don't forget kakashi isn't there. What role will he play?

I believe Obito will get very personal very soon because he's targeting Minato for making him believe in hope. Now he wants to prove him wrong, but Naruto is making sure that his dad always done the right thing. When the attack fails, he will get very frustrated because this is his big attack. I can't say his final attack yet, but this one is supposedly a guaranteed victory. So if it fails, he will get furious. In the next volume, it's likely that he will get personal with Naruto because remember, he's keeping it to himself that him and Naruto are very similar. If Obito starts to expose, then TnJ is underway.

[rocci]

@ns4life
Yes I agree. The way I see it, I think in the next volume (68) cover we will get NS and obirin cover side by side or only NS.
Because in this volume highlight the power of juubito, I think volume 67 cover will consist juubito or whatever highlight in the next 3-4 chapter ahead.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@ns4life
Yes I agree. The way I see it, I think in the next volume (68) cover we will get NS and obirin cover side by side or only NS.
Because in this volume highlight the power of juubito, I think volume 67 cover will consist juubito or whatever highlight in the next 3-4 chapter ahead.

Don't get high hope just yet. But to me, I think the cover should be on Naruto, Minato, and Obito. Maybe throw in Sasuke and Tobirama, but they are not that relevant. Yes, Tobirama does work, but no connection to Obito. Anyway, next volume is too early to say, so got to wait on the setup and where it is heading.

[rocci]

@na4l
Yes you're right.

[Chatte]

Do we have any spoilers?

[rocci]

Yes another spoiler that show ss and nh moment of trulub